Subscribe“Smart” John Kerry Negotiated With Enemy
Lest we forget John Kerry’s attitude towards our troops in time of war. As I have mentioned elsewhere, John Kerry met with the Vietcong and North Vietnamese in Paris in May of 1970.
Kerry was so proud of (illegally) negotiating with our country’s enemies, he brought it up in his testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April 22, 1971:
First peace meeting between Kerry’s group the Vietnam Veterans Against War and the NLF, Paris, 1971
LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS RELATING TO THE WAR IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
THURSDAY, APRIL 22, 1971
UNITED STATES SENATE;
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS,
Washington, D.C.The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:05 a.m., in Room 4221, New Senate Office Building, Senator J. W. Fulbright (Chairman) presiding.
Present: Senators Fulbright, Symington, Pell, Aiken, Case, and Javits.
The CHAIRMAN. Do you support or do you have any particular views about any one of them you wish to give the committee?
Mr. KERRY. My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don’t mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh’s points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned…
In fact, in his same testimony, Mr. Kerry admitted that his actions were questionable, to put it mildly:
Mr. KERRY. Mr. Chairman, I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera. I understand these things…
Indeed, Kerry had gone to meet with the North Vietnamese and Vietcong delegation in Paris during his honeymoon, a full year before the rest of his Vietnam Veterans Against War (VVAW) went there for further negotiations.
From the Boston Globe:
Kerry spoke of meeting negotiators on Vietnam
By Michael Kranish and Patrick Healy, Globe Staff, 3/25/2004
WASHINGTON — In a question-and-answer session before a Senate committee in 1971, John F. Kerry, who was a leading antiwar activist at the time, asserted that 200,000 Vietnamese per year were being "murdered by the United States of America" and said he had gone to Paris and "talked with both delegations at the peace talks" and met with communist representatives.
Kerry, now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, yesterday confirmed through a spokesman that he did go to Paris and talked privately with a leading communist representative. But the spokesman played down the extent of Kerry’s role and said Kerry did not engage in negotiations…
Kerry’s speech before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971, is one of the best-known moments of his life when he was involved in Vietnam Veterans Against the War. In that speech, Kerry asked: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
But the follow-up session of questions and answers, made public at the time in the official proceedings of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has received little mainstream notice until now.
When Kerry was asked by committee chairman Senator J. William Fulbright how he proposed to end the war, the former Navy lieutenant said it should be ended immediately and mentioned his involvement in peace talks in Paris.
"I have been to Paris," Kerry said. "I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh’s points . . . ."
The latter was a reference to a communist group based in South Vietnam. Historian Stanley Karnow, author of "Vietnam: A History," described the Provisional Revolutionary Government as "an arm of the North Vietnamese government." Madam Nguyen Thi Binh was a leader of the group and had a list of peace-talk points, including the suggestion that US prisoners of war would be released when American forces withdrew.After their May 1970 marriage, Kerry traveled to Paris with his wife, Julia Thorne, on a private trip, Meehan said. Kerry did not go to Paris with the intention of meeting with participants in the peace talks or involving himself in the negotiations, Meehan added, saying that while there Kerry had his brief meeting with Binh, which included members of both delegations to the peace talks.
Julia Thorne and John Kerry in 1972
Note that in Kerry’s 1971 Senate testimony, after he finished his prepared statement, he was asked for his advice on how to end the war. What he suggested was accept the terms of the Vietcong as presented to me by their Foreign Minister Madam Binh. He reiterated this several times over the rest of his lengthy comments to the Senate.
Indeed, Kerry was a major propagandist for the so-called "People’s Peace Treaty." His group, the VVAW had signed it–in a ceremony–and Kerry promoted it at every opportunity. This "treaty" incorporated every one of the Vietcong’s points.
Here are all eight of Madam Binh’s points (Binh was the Foreign Minister for the Vietcong) spelled out in the "People’s Peace Treaty" that Kerry and the VVAW and signed, and which they demanded the US sign with North Vietnam and the National Liberation Front:
Joint Treaty of Peace Between the People of The United States of America, South Vietnam and North Vietnam
Preamble
Be it known that the American people and the Vietnamese people are not enemies. The war is carried out in the names of the people of the United States and South Vietnam, but without our consent. It destroys the land and people of Vietnam. It drains America of its resources, its youth, and its honor.
We hereby agree to end the war on the following terms, so that both peoples can live under the joy of independence and can devote themselves to building a society based on human equality and respect for the earth. In rejecting the war we also reject all forms of racism and discrimination against people based on color, class, sex, national origin, and ethnic grouping which form the basis of the war policies, past and present, of the United States government.
Terms of Peace Treaty
1. The Americans agree to immediate and total withdrawal from Vietnam, and publicly to set the date by which all U.S. military forces will be removed.
2. The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U. S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal: they will enter discussions to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam.
3. There will be an immediate cease-fire between U. S. forces and those led by the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam.
4. They will enter discussions on the procedures to guarantee the safety of all withdrawing troops.
5. The Americans pledge to end the imposition of Thieu-Ky-Khiem on the people of South Vietnam in order to insure their right to self-determination and so that all political prisoners can be released.
6. The Vietnamese pledge to form a provisional coalition government to organize democratic elections. All parties agree to respect the results of elections in which all South Vietnamese can participate freely without the presence of any foreign troops.
7. The South Vietnamese pledge to enter discussion of procedures to guarantee the safety and political freedom of those South Vietnamese who have collaborated with the U. S. or with U. S. -supported regimes.
8. The Americans and Vietnamese agree to respect the independence, peace and neutrality of Laos and Cambodia in accord with the 1954 and 1962 Geneva Conventions and not to interfere in the internal affairs of these two countries.
9. Upon these points of agreement, we pledge to end the war and resolve all other questions in the spirit of self-determination and mutual respect for the independence and political freedom of the people of Vietnam and the United States.Pledge
By ratifying this agreement, we pledge to take whatever actions are appropriate to implement the terms of the People to people Treaty and to insure its acceptance by the government of the United States.
So there can be no doubt that Mr. Kerry met with the North Vietnamese and Vietcong delegation as a "negotiator," which of course is illegal and seditious.
But that is what "smart, highly educated" people do, apparently.
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November 5th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
What a POS.
I am old and not in the best of shape, But By God I could take him out in a one on one duel.
He is a wussy of the first order, a hard ride and a stiff drink would put him under the table every fricking time.
I am ashamed of Mass. for sending this POS to the Sen year after year.
Dop yall not have any balls at all?
And another thing, When his first wife got sick, what did POS Boy do? He ran out on her and started looking for another rich woman.
When my wife got sick , I stuck with her, even lived on Food Stamps for a few months, but we are still together today.
November 5th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
What follows is information that should have been on the front page of every paper and the lead of every TV news program in October 2004. I knew about this then and it made me so mad I could hardly sleep at night and it still makes me mad every time I think of it. Even though there was a great effort to get the info into the media, only Thomas Lifson used it in a couple of editorials for the NY Post I think it was or perhaps it was the Sun–can’t remember which just now. Also keep in mind many of the people that were involved in the VVAW were actively campaigning for Kerry and are involved with the Iraq Veterans Against the War and other anti-war organizations. This information is also tied to the strong probability that Kerry had received a dishonorable dischange that was later forgiven by Carter with his amnesty proclamation. I was going to shorten it but it was all so important that I gave up on a cut-off point so here is the whole thing. God bless the swiftvet guys for hanging on to their website!
John Kerry and the VVAW: Hanoi’s American Puppets?
by Jerome R. Corsi and Scott Swett
Newly discovered documents link Vietnam Veterans Against the War to Vietnamese communists
Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group’s leading national spokesman.
The Circular: International Coordination of Antiwar Propaganda
The first document is a 1971 “Circular” distributed by the Vietnamese communists within Vietnam. It discusses strategies to coordinate their national propaganda effort with their orchestration of the activities of sympathetic counterparts in the American anti-war movement. Specifically, the document notes that the Vietcong and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris Peace talks were being used as the communications link to direct the activities of anti-war activists meeting with them in Paris. To quote from the document:
The spontaneous antiwar movements in the US have received assistance and guidance from the friendly ((VC/NVN)) delegations at the Paris Peace Talks.
– Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US. The reference to “VC” indicates the Vietcong; “NVN” is the North Vietnamese government.
This sentence is particularly important in light of John Kerry’s admission that he met with leaders of both communist delegations to the Paris Peace Talks in June 1970, including Madame Binh, foreign minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government (PRG) of South Vietnam, also known as the Vietcong. FBI files record that Kerry returned to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese delegation in August of 1971, and planned a third trip in November.
Prior to the discovery of the Circular, there was no direct evidence that Hanoi was actually steering the U.S. antiwar movement’s activities by conveying Hanoi’s goals and wishes to movement leaders during their frequent visits to Paris, though many investigators had assumed that to be the case. Further analysis of this document supports the contention that Madame Binh used her Paris meeting with John Kerry to instruct him on how he and the VVAW might best serve as Hanoi’s surrogates in the United States. In the spring and summer of 1971, a key strategy of Hanoi was to advance what was known as Madame Binh’s Seven Point Peace Plan.
The plan was cleverly constructed to force President Nixon to set a date to end the Vietnam War and withdraw American troops. According to the 7-Point Peace Plan of Madame Binh, the only barrier to Hanoi setting a date to release American Prisoners of War was President Nixon’s unwillingness to set a specific date for military withdrawal. Of course, accepting the full terms of the 7-Point Peace Plan would have amounted to an American capitulation, a virtual surrender that included the payment of reparations to the Vietnam communists as an admission that America was the wrongful aggressor in an immoral war.
A section of the Circular titled “PREPARATION FOR THE FALL ((1971)) ANTIWAR MOVEMENT” makes clear the importance the Vietnamese Communists placed on advancing Madame Binh’s 7-Point Peace Plan within the United States:
The seven-point peace proposal ((of the SVN Provisional Revolutionary Government)) not only solved problems concerning the release of US prisoners but also motivated the people of all walks of life and even relatives of US pilots detained in NVN to participate in the antiwar movement.
– Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US. “SVN” indicates the South Vietnam Provisional Revolutionary Government, i.e., the Vietcong. “NVN” refers to North Vietnam.
And again, highlighting how the Vietnamese communists viewed the activities of the US antiwar movement, US politics, and politics in South Vietnam as interconnected; all to be targeted by Madame Binh’s 7-Point Peace Plan:
The Nixon-Thieu clique is very embarrassed because the seven-point peace proposal is supported by the SVN people’s (( political struggle)) movement and the antiwar movements in the US. Therefore, all local areas, units, and branches must widely disseminate the seven-point peace proposal, step up the people’s ((political struggle)) movements both in cities and rural areas, taking advantage of disturbances and dissensions in the enemy’s forthcoming (RVN) Congressional and Presidential elections. They must coordinate more successfully with the antiwar movements in the US so as to isolate the Nixon-Thieu clique.
– Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US. “RVN” refers to the Republic of Vietnam, the government in South Vietnam supported by the US.
POW Families: Targets of the Vietnamese Communists
Late in 1970, a defecting Vietcong organizer described a communist plan to use Vietcong sympathizers in the US to recruit family members of American POWs held captive in North Vietnam. The following summary of his interview was provided to the House Foreign Affairs Committee:
The Viet Cong plan to continue their efforts to win worldwide opinion to their side and to solicit as much material support for the VC struggle as possible from other countries in order to create a favorable climate for the VC at the Paris Peace Conference.
The Viet Cong will continue to promote domestic unrest against the war in the United States in order to speed withdrawal of US troops and create pressure for an end to the war.
Efforts will be directed toward the US soldier in Vietnam to demand that they be returned to the US and be reunited with their families and wives.
The VC will strive to create anti-draft and anti-war attitudes in the US by organizing VC sympathizers in the US to contact families with sons in Vietnam and urge them to call their sons home. Also VC sympathizers in the US will be organized to distribute anti-draft leaflets to students and young people.
On February 1, 1971, at their Winter Soldier Investigation in Detroit, the VVAW released a statement by Virginia Warner , mother of American POW Jim Warner, urging President Nixon to “end the war so the prisoners of war can come home.” Jim Warner has accused John Kerry of exploiting his mother’s fears to obtain this statement.
On July 22, 1971, John Kerry held a press conference in Washington, DC, to call upon President Nixon to accept Madame Binh’s 7-Point Peace Plan. Kerry surrounded himself at the press conference with POW wives, parents and sisters who had been recruited to promote his message. The event was reported in The New York Times of July 23, 1971 and the communist Daily World of July 24, 1971. Each article included a photograph of Kerry surrounded by POW family members.
Kerry’s use of POW families directly advanced the North Vietnamese communist agenda as described by enemy defectors and in the newly discovered Circular, which suggests that Madame Binh had recommended the same course of action to antiwar activists meeting with her in Paris.
[Note: A number of POW families were contacted by a "liason" group headed by Cora Weiss, the daughter of Communist Party financier Samuel Rubin, with offers to provide mail and information about their husbands if the families agreed to publicly denounce the war. Most POW family members refused to cooperate with this extortion, even when promised better treatment for their husbands or sons in Hanoi. Four angry POW wives protested at Kerry's July press conference, one of whom accused Kerry of "constantly using our own suffering and grief" to advance his political ambitions.]
The Directive: Supporting the US Domestic Insurgency
The second document , captured by US military forces in South Vietnam on May 12, 1972, is a communist Directive designed to motivate discussions within Vietnam about promoting the ongoing antiwar activities in the United States. The fifth paragraph of this document makes clear that the Vietnamese communists were utilizing for their propaganda purposes the activities of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The protest described as occurring from April 19 through April 22, 1971 coincides directly with the dates of Dewey Canyon III, the Washington, DC, protest led by John Kerry, during which John Kerry’s testimony before Senator Fulbright’s Foreign Relations Committee was a televised centerpiece. The description of the protest activities in the Directive even include the “return their medals” ceremony in which John Kerry and other VVAW members threw their medals and/or ribbons toward the steps of the US Capitol, with several shouting threats of violence against their government as they did so.
The Connection: The People’s Committee for Peace and Justice
Another key discussion in the documents reveals the degree to which the Vietnamese communists were working with and through the PCPJ (People’s Coalition for Peace and Justice. The Circular, immediately after disclosing how the communist delegations to the Paris Peace talks were being used to guide the US antiwar movement, stresses the importance of the PCPJ to these efforts:
Of the US antiwar movements, the two most important ones are: The PCPJ ((the People’s Committee for Peace and Justice)) and the NPAC ((National Peace Action Committee)). These two movements have gathered much strength and staged many demonstrations. The PCPJ is the most important. It maintains relations with us.
– Circular on Antiwar Movements in the US (emphasis added).
The House Internal Securities Committee in their 1971 Annual Report described the PCPJ as an organization strongly controlled by US communists: “There is no question but what members of the Communist Party have provided a very strong degree of influence, even a guiding influence, in the evolution and formation of policies of the People’s Coalition for Peace and Justice.”
Recently released FBI surveillance reports establish a strong link between John Kerry, Al Hubbard, the VVAW, the PCPJ, and their trips to Paris to meet with Madame Binh. As discussed in Unfit for Command, Hubbard, the Executive Secretary of the VVAW and a hard-line radical with ties to the Black Panthers and the PCPJ, had directly recruited John Kerry into the VVAW’s Executive Committee, bypassing the organization’s election process. Al Hubbard’s own claim to have been a transport pilot wounded in combat was discredited when the Department of Defense released documents demonstrating that, though Hubbard had been in the Air Force, he was neither a pilot nor an officer, had never served in Vietnam and had never been in combat. John Kerry shared the stage with Al Hubbard during the Dewey Canyon III protest in Washington, D.C., and he appeared together with Hubbard on NBC’s Meet the Press on April 18, 1971. Hubbard also signed the People’s Peace Treaty, a PCPJ document that reiterated the positions of North Vietnam and the Vietcong, on behalf of the VVAW.
An FBI field surveillance report stamped November 11, 1971 reported that the FBI had learned at the Regional VVAW Convention in Norman Oklahoma, on November 5-7, 1971, that John Kerry and Al Hubbard were planning to travel to Paris later in the month to engage in talks with the Vietnamese communist peace delegations. While this document is heavily redacted, other FBI reports make it clear that the Communist Party of the USA was paying for Al Hubbard’s trips to Paris.
IT IS NOTED THAT THE “COMMUNIST PARTY” REFERRED IN RETEL IS PROBABLY THE COMMUNIST PARTY, USA, BECAUSE AL HUBBARD IS A MEMBER OF COORDINATING OF PEOPLES COALITION FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE (PCPJ), AS ARE GIL GREEN, MEMBER OF NATIONAL COMMITTEE, COMMUNIST PARTY, USA AND JARVIS TYNER, NATIONAL DIRECTOR, YOUNG WORKERS LIBERATION LEAGUE. HUBBARD, GREEN AND TYNER HAVE ATTENDED SAME NATIONAL MEETINGS OF PCPJ.
– Federal Bureau of Investigations, Field Surveillance Report, filed November 11, 1971. A copy of this report was air-mailed to the Boston FBI office in reference to John Kerry.
An FBI field surveillance report dated November 24, 1971 details Al Hubbard’s presentation to a VVAW meeting of the Executive and Steering committees in Kansas City, Missouri, during the weekend of November 12-15, 1971 –- the same meeting at which the VVAW considered, then rejected a plan to assassinate several pro-war US Senators. John Kerry is listed as present. Once again, Al Hubbard made clear the communist coordination involved in his recent trip to Paris:
[BLACK OUT] advised that Hubbard gave the following information regarding his Paris trip:
Two foreign groups, which are Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) and Peoples Republic Government (PRG) (phonetic), invited representatives of the VVAW, Communist Party USA (CP USA), and a Left Wing group in Paris, to attend meeting of the above inviting groups in Paris. Hubbard advised he was elected to represent the VVAW. An unknown male was invited to represent the CP USA and an unknown individual was elected to represent the Left Wing group from Paris. He advised at the meeting that his trip was financed by CP USA.
– Federal Bureau of Investigations, Field Surveillance Report, filed November 24, 1971.
A letter written by Al Hubbard on April 20, 1971 leaves no doubt about the strong coordination between the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the People’s Coalition for Peace and Justice. Addressed from the offices of the VVAW in Washington, D.C., the letter is an appeal to VVAW members to provide assistance to the PCPJ. It discusses several ways in which the two organizations have worked closely together:
This is an appeal for help for the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. Over the past months the Peoples Coalition has supported the Vietnam Vets Against the War in many ways. The Coalition has made office space available at no charge, and permitted the use of all necessary office equipment such as mimeograph machines, stencil-making machines, folders and typewriters. They have loaned us cars, bullhorns, and public address equipment. Their staff has taken messages for us and joined fraternally in building our progress. Now we can return this support.
Saturday, April 24, the Coalition needs help collecting money and selling buttons at the great march and rally. Collectors and sellers must be energetic and determined. Theree will be security problems in taking large amounts of money to banks. The Coalition needs people power, hundreds of workers.
I earnestly hope that you will come forward to support our friends in this emergency.
– Letter signed by Al Hubbard, addressed from the Vietnam Veterans Against the War office at Room 900, 1029 Vermont Ave. N.W., Washington, D.C., dated April 20, 1971. Found in the House Internal Security Committee subject files, Washington, D.C.
Two days after the letter was written, John Kerry gave his famous testimony to Senator Fulbright’s Foreign Relations Committee in which he likened the American military in Vietnam to the army of Ghengis Khan. The march and rally for which Hubbard was recruiting VVAW assistance was the PCPJ’s massive April 24 demonstration in Washington, which immediately followed the VVAW’s week-long Dewey Canyon III protest. The communist Daily world reported on April 27 that “Tributes were paid to the special role of the Vietnam Veterans” at the PCPJ rally, and went on to quote at length from John Kerry’s speech at that event.
Willing Partners: the VVAW and the Vietnamese Communists
Other examples of the VVAW’s advocacy of Vietnamese communist positions during the period of John Kerry’s leadership abound. The group issued a proclamation in February 1971 calling for mass civil disobedience and military mutiny if American forces entered Laos. After the war, North Vietnamese military leaders acknowledged that one of their greatest fears was that America would move significant forces into Laos to interdict the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The VVAW’s eagerness to comply with the wishes of the Vietnamese communists even extended to its choice of nomenclature. The VVAW’s Executive Committee stated in a July 1971 meeting that the terms “Vietcong” and “North Vietnamese” were not to be used in VVAW press releases and communications. Instead, “PRG (Provisional Revolutionary Government)” and “DRV (Democratic Republic of Vietnam)”… “are to be used by us to reflect our acceptance of their designations.” And the VVAW’s unremitting insistence that American forces were mass-murdering Vietnamese civilians perfectly echoed the primary propaganda theme put forth by the Vietnamese communists, their international communist allies, and their Soviet sponsors.
Conclusion
The newly uncovered documents help clarify the relationship of the North Vietnamese, the Vietcong, the PCPJ, the Communist Party of the USA, and John Kerry’s VVAW. They indicate that these organizations worked closely together, using the Paris Peace Talks as a central point of communication, to employ the strategy and tactics devised by the Vietnamese communists to achieve their primary objective: the defeat of the United States of America in Vietnam.
– by Jerome R. Corsi and Scott Swett
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[Note 1: On October 22, 2004, Swift Veterans and POWs for Truth researchers Troy Jenkins and Tom Wyld located the two Vietnamese communist documents referenced above in the archives of the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech University, in the Douglas Pike Collection. Douglas Pike was a leading authority on the Vietnam War who collected over 2 million pages of original documents now archived at the Vietnam Center. James Reckner, Ph.D., Director of the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech, verifies that the documents in the Pike collection are original and authentic.]
[Note 2: The authors wish to thank Max Friedman for making available two additional documents, first, Al Hubbard's April 20, 1971 letter to the VVAW membership. The full citation is: National Peace Action Coalition (NPAC) and Peoples Coalition for Peace & Justice (PCPJ) Part I, hearings before the Committee on Internal Security, House of Representatives, 92nd Congress, First Session, May 18-21, 1971, p. 1796.] The second document, “Extracts from an interview with a Viet Cong returnee” comes from the American Prisoners of War in Southeast Asia 1971 hearings before the Subcommittee on National Security Policy and Scientific Development, House Foreign Affairs Committee, 92nd Congress First Congress, March 23-25, 30-31, April 1, 6 & 20, 1971, Testimony of Max P. Friedman, page 299.
http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB.....hp?t=14571
November 5th, 2006 at 4:34 pm
“Even though there was a great effort to get the info into the media, only Thomas Lifson used it in a couple of editorials for the NY Post I think it was or perhaps it was the Sun–can’t remember which just now.”
You mean Thomas Lipscomb.
And I was the original source for most of his material.
November 5th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Sorry SG about the name. I knew when I typed it, it sounded funny but I didn’t have time to really track it down. Thanks for the correction and I didn’t realize that you were a source Good job!.
November 5th, 2006 at 5:55 pm
Thomas Lifson is the owner and publishers of the great American Thinker, of course.
November 5th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
I love it - the anal retentive aspect of dictators/regimes does them and their ‘enablers’ in every time. Kerry can’t keep his stupid and hateful opinions re: the military to himself and thus continues to put his foot into it and open up the wound.
Thus it not only does not/can’t heal, it gets worse and as with Albertafriend and SG’s multiple postings here today - it gets infected (as more truth is let out) causing a risk of death.
While the death of Senator Kerry’s career is not a problem to me - I can’t understand why he keeps c***ping on the military again and again. He knows his truths are out there - and he has seen that there are those out there who will throw it out into the World vision. I mean if that isn’t the surest sign of insanity, I don’t know what is.
BTW, no wonder he and McCain hit it off - McCain ditched the wife who she sat by him (she was in a car accident in 1969, refused to let him know as a POW) while he was a POW and continued to stand by him until he dumped her in the late 70s. I guess birds of a feather . . .
November 5th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
Exactly where Kerry has always been and will always be -
“Of course, accepting the full terms of the 7-Point Peace Plan would have amounted to an American capitulation, a virtual surrender that included the payment of reparations to the Vietnam communists as an admission that America was the wrongful aggressor in an immoral war.”
He is ready to surrender at the first whim, his French blood running ahead of him, and of course, wishing for fame and fortune to follow….. that is his essence. No real scholarship, leadership, courage, integrity, honor or work ethic has ever been part of his character.
November 5th, 2006 at 10:00 pm
It’s how JFKerry earned a discharge that Jimmy Carter(D) had to fix with a ‘honorable’ discharge issued a decade late. It also got him his own museum exhibit in North Vietnam.
Manly Men in Magic Hats IV
November 5th, 2006 at 10:33 pm
SG, I cannot forgive Kerry for what he did in ‘71. My brother, who was a Lt.JG at the same time Kerry was, served on Kerry’s sister ship, the ship that sat off the coast of Vietnam the first time Kerry went to Vietnam. When Kerry ran against Bush, my brother said that everyone in the fleet knew of Kerry’s connections to the Kennedys. It was no surprise to anyone that Kerry used the little known “3 hearts and you’re out (as in out of being in-country)” rule. Purple Hearts were being handed out like candy and many had 3 or more.
I guess what angered me so badly was watching my brother, who joined the Navy as a common swab, have to come off ship in his civies because he was too proud of his officer’s uniform to take a chance on it being soiled (by spit or any other damn thing the hippies threw at him).
I am sick to death of traitors like Kerry being given a pass for their sedition. Kerry, Fonda, Hayden, all trying to userp our nation for their own political gain. What they did was a thousand times worse than Charlie Chaplin, yet Chaplin was not allowed to re-enter the country.
Why do we, as a nation, allow these people to continue to try to destroy all that we have built in the last 200 years?
But then, the socialistic utopia that they would force on us would not apply to them. They will continue to bury their money in off shore accounts.
WAKE UP AMERICA.
November 5th, 2006 at 11:45 pm
Why You Should Believe John Kerry
“You can’t trust a liberal position, even if you’re a liberal negotiating with another one because you never know if the goal posts are going to move. There are no rights and wrongs. And John Kerry is supposed to be believed simply because he says that what he said wasn’t what he said. And if you’re so stupid that you were offended by what he really said, then he “sincerely regrets” that you misinterpreted it.”
http://townhall.com/columnists.....john_kerry
November 6th, 2006 at 7:24 am
John Kerry and the blame American first types always seem to stop history at the point of their so-called achievements.
They’ve taken credit for forcing the US out of Vietnam.
To them Vietnam was over, Cambodia was over. You will never see the likes of Kerry take any responsibility for millions that die at the hands of the Communist Vietcong and Communist Khmer Rouge after we pulled out.
These self-professed humanitarians will do as they did in the past, close their eyes to the destruction and death that will follow if their agenda for Iraq is achieved.
November 6th, 2006 at 8:25 am
“I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not at all sure that you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.” Don’t remember who the author of that gem is, but it seems appropriate.
November 6th, 2006 at 9:23 am
DB of Denver, How true.
“You will never see the likes of Kerry take any responsibility for millions that die at the hands of the Communist Vietcong and Communist Khmer Rouge after we pulled out.”
If the Demorats and libs regain America, we in Japan are going to worry. In fact we may have to worry so much that we will change our constitution to allow us to go to war, where war is need to defend the country.
We know from recent history that a Democratically controlled USA can not be counted on to fulfill her military treaties with “friendly” nations like Japan and S. Korea.
We are very sure that if Dems win the presidency in 2008, we are going to have to defend ourselves alone. Political Blather and “negotiations” will not protect us from China or “The Fat Tyrant in the North.”
November 6th, 2006 at 11:35 am
“I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not at all sure that you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”
Oh, man. Who farted?
November 6th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
“You will never see the likes of Kerry take any responsibility for millions that die at the hands of the Communist Vietcong and Communist Khmer Rouge after we pulled out.”
Back in April 1971, when he was testifying before the Senate, Kerry (based upon his four months in Vietnam) stated authoritatively that there would be no bloodbath if we cut and ran:
3,000.
He was only off by a couple million or so.
November 6th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
“It’s how JFKerry earned a discharge that Jimmy Carter (D) had to fix with a ‘honorable’ discharge issued a decade late.”
I am fairly certain that this is not true. I believe it comes from some confusions in the record.
There is certainly more than enough to hang on Kerry without it.
November 6th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
MsBHaven,
I believe it was you.
November 6th, 2006 at 7:24 pm
What’s that smell? Oh, the snag’s voice has changed, but her breath still smells the same.
November 6th, 2006 at 8:13 pm
Snags always smell farts,
I think its because they get their bongs and bungs confused.