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Snowden Has Given Out NSA Files To Other People

From the Daily Beast:

Greenwald: Snowden’s Files Are Out There if ‘Anything Happens’ to Him

By Eli Lake | June 25, 2013

Snowden has shared encoded copies of all the documents he took so that they won’t disappear if he does, Glenn Greenwald tells Eli Lake.

As the U.S. government presses Moscow to extradite former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, America’s most wanted leaker has a plan B. The former NSA systems administrator has already given encoded files containing an archive of the secrets he lifted from his old employer to several people. If anything happens to Snowden, the files will be unlocked.

Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who Snowden first contacted in February, told The Daily Beast on Tuesday that Snowden “has taken extreme precautions to make sure many different people around the world have these archives to insure the stories will inevitably be published.” Greenwald added that the people in possession of these files “cannot access them yet because they are highly encrypted and they do not have the passwords.” But, Greenwald said, “if anything happens at all to Edward Snowden, he told me he has arranged for them to get access to the full archives.”

What a drama queen. Mind you, he has yet to release anything substantive. The Prism briefing slides were a bust. And all of the real news that we have gotten about NSA’s collection of phone records and emails has come from other sources.

But if these stolen files really do contain some of the things Snowden has claimed they contain, such as the name of everyone who works for NSA, he is putting these people’s lives at even more risk.

By the way, notice how Mr. Snowden is being hailed by the same people who wanted Scooter Libby lynched for outing the non-spy Valerie Plame. Which he didn’t even do. — But nobody seems to notice the hypocrisy.

The fact that Snowden has made digital copies of the documents he accessed while working at the NSA poses a new challenge to the U.S. intelligence community that has scrambled in recent days to recover them and assess the full damage of the breach. Even if U.S. authorities catch up with Snowden and the four classified laptops the Guardian reported he brought with him to Hong Kong the secrets Snowden hopes to expose will still likely be published.

A former U.S. counterintelligence officer following the Snowden saga closely said his contacts inside the U.S. intelligence community “think Snowden has been planning this for years and has stashed files all over the Internet.” This source added, “At this point there is very little anyone can do about this.”

The arrangement to entrust encrypted archives of his files with others also sheds light on a cryptic statement Snowden made on June 17 during a live chat with The Guardian. In the online session he said, “All I can say right now is the U.S. government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.” …

So where is all this truth?

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Wednesday, June 26th, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

12 Responses to “Snowden Has Given Out NSA Files To Other People”

  1. Noyzmakr

    What a scumbag!

    Take notice to how the libs can’t wait for him to bring down the evil USA.

    I can hardly wait for the day when these idiots have to live in the socialist utopia they seek. I can see them now. Freezing, sitting in the dark, starving with a huge stupid grin on their faces, shaking their fists in the air at Almighty God as they curse their self made situation at the same time celebrating their defeat over those evil Christians and conservative traditionalist.

    I hope they get everything they wish for. They’ll be ruled by tyrants and their children will be the playthings of roving bands of molesters and homosexuals whose thirst for depravity cannot be quenched.

    It will please their father, the prince of the power of the air, and his pleasure is all they seek.

    I leave them to it then.

    Maranatha!

    • Noyzmakr,

      Explain HOW anyone can go about exposing government tyranny, without being a “scumbag.” Haven’t you ever noticed, that every time this happens, the abusers run out and say our safety has been violated? Once again, they use safety to cover up for the fact that they have burned, buried, and danced on the grave of the Constitution, and all of us are supposed to trade in safety for our God-given rights?

      Don’t fall for this. So what, he embarrassed Obama. So what, he exposed government for the oppressor that it is. So f#)@ what?

      It’s almost like our government is marketing this crazy idea, “Terrorists are going to hide behind our Constitution and our freedoms, so we need to get rid of those to catch the bad guys!” –It’s the same as saying, “Good news, your house is free of cockroaches! Bad news, we had to burn the whole place down to get rid of them.”

      Some of you need to re-think this Edward Snowden situation again. The government being tyrannical is so much worse than some guy exposing .01% of it.

    • Noyzmakr

      Mithrandir,
      What tyranny has he exposed? We’ve known about this type of surveillance since at least 2006. All this scumbag is doing is trying to harm the country in any way he can. Exposing methods. Why go to China or Russia, our sworn enemies, if your aren’t an enemy? He could have gone to France or Israel or any number of our allies if he had legitimate concerns. I suspect you know why he didn’t.

      I don’t buy any of his BS. He could have taken many avenues to expose what he felt was wrong with the system. How does some lowly NSA contractor know what the nature and mission of the entire NSA apparatus is and what effect his exposing it’s underbelly to our enemies will have? He can’t know. So he must have other motives and frankly i don’t care what they are.

      He signed non disclosure documents and I suspect a slew of other forms swearing his allegiance. He broke the law.

      No, I don’t like what the NSA is doing. I don’t like much of what our government is doing. There have been many whistleblowers come forward from the NSA. Unfortunately, the Kenyan’s administration has been hell bent on going after them, but still… We have many constitutional means to change the things we dislike about our government. Going to our enemies isn’t one of them.

  2. wirenut

    Noyzmakr, Socialist utopia will never happen, thanks to the people here, and fact that there never has been one.
    GAME-ON!

  3. seandougsnyder

    socialism/communism is inevitable. what do you expect to happen when technology finally advances to ensure unlimited, essentially free, energy? Add robotic automation sophisticated enough to gather natural resources, manufacture products for consumption, and bring them to “market” and communism becomes practical. the only problem with the philosophies of collectivism is that there are fools who wish to force it to come early rather than waiting until scarcity is no longer a problem and capitalism is no longer viable. potentially, we’ll be able to have a free market AND centrally planned economy without any real inefficiency. we’re looking at 150 years max until technology makes current economic theory, and governance obsolete.
    all we need to try to do is keep humanity alive long enough to see it come to pass.

  4. seandougsnyder

    socialism/communism is inevitable. what do you expect to happen when technology finally advances to ensure unlimited, essentially free, energy? Add robotic automation sophisticated enough to gather natural resources, manufacture products for consumption, and bring them to “market” and communism becomes practical. the only problem with the philosophies of
    collectivism is that there are fools who wish to force it to come early rather than waiting until scarcity is no longer a problem and capitalism is no longer viable. potentially, we’ll be able to have a free market AND centrally planned economy without any real inefficiency. we’re looking at 150 years max until technology makes current economic theory, and governance obsolete.
    all we need to try to do is keep humanity alive long enough to see it come to pass.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      I’m not sure if you’re just being sarcastic or you actually believe this.

      Although generally considered apocryphal, but most often attributed to Charles H. Duell, one time commissioner of the US Patent Office in 1899, is quoted as saying, “Everything that can be invented has been invented”.

      http://www.patentlyo.com/paten.....ented.html

      Your assessment is that technology will inevitably result in the utopian free-energy society, a-la Star Trek and whatever else we have dreamed about through science fiction. But also remember, in that science fiction, evil is the culprit in many a scenario where basic human instincts are still prevalent and it’s my assessment they always will be.

      This is why I often make the reference that “we are Rome, 63 AD” which is when the siege of Jerusalem occurred and the first Roman emperor Gaius Octavius took power and the decline really began in earnest. Though it took some time, the inability of the powerful in Rome to avoid the pitfalls of said power gradually took their toll and costs for everything grew. The demands of Roman citizens as well as the high lifestyles of the elites began to drain the coffers of the city-state cum worldwide power. New taxes and methods of gaining wealth took hold and drained economies throughout Europe and North Africa (the known world). The elites suffered very little until, some hundred to three hundred years later, the opulence and selfishness took its toll.

      Capitalism is a necessary factor of humanity. From basic bartering for goods and services to being able to rise above poverty and care for oneself. Do you think the farmer will produce hundreds/thousands of acres of grain just to give it to everybody else because that’s “the system”? Did you not notice why people in the Soviet Union had NOTHING?

      What’s missing in your assessment is that humans are basically greedy and in capitalism that greed is both good and bad but necessary no matter how you look at it. All that wonderful technology you are talking about will still require maintenance. And, it has changed every few years to make the current setups obsolete. Would you be reading the internet and posting on a 386? Or a Commodore 64? Of course not. Capitalism brought about the need for constant improvement and innovation and the free-market testing that decides if a product is viable or not. Or are you still using your Flo-Bee for haircuts?

      Yes, throughout history man has innovated and created but never at the pace and remarkable diversity as within the United States. Why? FREEDOM. Freedom from regulation, freedom from control, freedom from the hobbling effects of socialism that demands not innovation, but COMPLIANCE.

      The Soviet union, in their heyday, mastered the art of miniaturizing the vacuum tube. Remember vacuum tubes? Maybe not, but they were in everything electronic from radios to TV’s and they had yet to discover and utilize the semiconductor, a US invention borne of need for innovation. The Soviets could not get access to such science because they had closed themselves off from Europe and capitalist ways.

      Yes, in today’s society, we are living in a neo-socialist state. I can’t drive my car without having it inspected, detected, neglected and selected (Thank you Arlo Guthrie). I can’t buy a product off the shelf without it having been exhaustively tested by the US government to make sure it’s “safe” and/or “reliable”. All of this drives up the cost of items to ridiculous heights. Union labor does likewise.

      Though a company may be greedy and charge ridiculous sums for their products, the reason you can get a 50″ LCD TV now is because it’s made in CHINA where socialist workers are paid two dollars a day and the lion’s share of the proceeds for making the thing goes into the communist piggy-bank. Some system. Our consumerism now feeds the communism. But this is thanks to NAFTA and a few other things which, as predicted, drove jobs out of this country and created them in countries where human life is not valued so much as it is exploited.

      Communists are generally known as the greediest of all people. They are the pinnacle of “capitalism” actually, living in very high style while the “workers” live in squalor and without education.

      The utopia of which you speak will never arrive. George Orwell did a better job of explaining it than Gene Roddenberry or Arthur C Clarke, entertaining though they may be.

      If you like, pick up a copy of “Logan’s Run” to get a taste of what the future might hold. Seriously dated movie except in the concept of it. Could stand a re-do and with modern effects and actors but the premise is sound, that anyone over 30 has to go get eliminated from society by law. This falls in line with a controlled food supply and an ecosphere that only allows X number of people.

      There’s always hope that technology will make humans never again have to lift a finger but that won’t ever change the desires of those who would steal, exploit, murder, lie, and cheat just to have more POWER.

      Think it through next time.

    • Noyzmakr

      Wow Rusty. If I believed in reincarnation, I would want to be reborn with your brain. That was a great defense of capitalism and the freedom and wealth that system wrought.

      Well done sir!

      Sadly, this isn’t being taught in our schools and universities and the result is evident.

  5. wirenut

    Rusty, what young SDS. put forth could be sumed up with this.

    The right and the nature of an indivdual is provided by someone else. (government). Non-factor!

    My rights and my nature are determined by my GOD and myself. With SDS.all kinds of “whose” come to my mind.
    Who’s going to provide your next meal?
    Heat?
    cooling?
    Power?
    Water?
    As an individual, without tech support, I rely on the things that God has given me. Namely, my head and my hands. Other than that, you’re insignificant and just leave me alone. Or a tyrant that must be exposed.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      What SDS also fails to recognize is, where will all this magnificent technology come from? Technology is the currently accepted/used term for equipment and materials that allow us to do things more efficiently and better. But I would recommend James Burke’s “Connections” videos to better explain how discovery/necessity/desire changed the way humans have done things over the centuries.

      Back to the Romans for a bit. They were not great innovators but had a few things that really changed the way humans do things. Concrete was one of them. The aqueduct could be considered another but it had already been invented; The Romans simply exploited it to the extreme. Materials used in construction throughout Roman history changed very little in 1,000 years. Brick to marble, maybe. Roads? Well….they certainly did a great job with the paved road but the vast majority of Roman roads were casually maintained pathways, unpaved, but kept free of undergrowth and blockage.

      I’ll further submit that it wasn’t technology that has made existence for humans a thing of ease. North Koreans have light, heat, water, power but the people aren’t free. It’s FREEDOM and CAPITALISM that allows the average human with some ambition and a mind and two good hands to change things. Steve Jobs…known to embrace socialism but seriously….his APPLE bit never would’ve gotten off the ground in China, Cuba, or even anywhere in Europe. In fact, everything that comes out of Europe as a sell-able product, Airbus, Fiat, Ducati, Rover, etc, are ALL government subsidized products. Their national pride is at stake thus they MUST pay manufacturers to produce and sell to the rest of the world. Yes, they make profits…but….they are not free in the sense they can release the reins of government interference. This is known as fascism….a special kind of capitalism where the government allows production but controls it heavily. A fellow in the UK could never invent anything today without having to pay huge costs to the government to bring it to market. That’s why Europe hasn’t really innovated anything since the end of WWII. They are all happy in their (falsely) secure notion that they will be subsidized from cradle to grave.

      YUCK.

      Then, there’s the whole aspect of the government deciding who lives and who dies.

      All for the common good, you understand. *ahem*

      SDS speaks of the utopia that communism will be if only the technology is finally “ready”. Well….you may have flying cars, transporters and food synthesizers but greed, avarice, jealousy, corruption, and a whole list of other human attributes will never go away. Thus, the bible is as appropriate in any century as it was when written.

      And for those who don’t believe in God, well, humans had to have a creator of some sort. Whether evolution is fact or not, and it’s been stated frequently that the materials produced by supernovae provide the elements that our bodies and everything in our solar system are made of…well….where did THAT come from? If not an actual being then what? There is something bigger than humanity; Something greater that makes all the laws of physics work, allows stars to fuse hydrogen into helium, then other elements and eventually, iron.

      Some of them then explode and produce all the elements that scientists have been able to chart. From Argon to Xenon and many, many more. Noble gasses, halogens. And metals, of which 80% of all elements are. All created in the massive explosion of a start that’s reached the end of its life.

      So, I submit that if some being hasn’t created humanity, and that we are simply a natural creation from the genesis of what starts as amino acids, well, how did that come about?

      Perhaps, as the expression goes, if God hadn’t created man, then man most certainly would’ve created him. By that I mean that man has always sought answers. The “how come we’re here?”. I cannot rule out God for to do so is perhaps the most glaring example of arrogance, which is what socialists have in spades. “We are the smartest, the best, the brightest”. Well, not so fast. Human history is rife with human failure, put forth by the best and brightest of the time. Fallibility seems to be the one thing humanity possesses in abundance but also…can recognize it and adapt and correct.

      That’s why the Wright Brothers didn’t start out with supersonic jets. That’s why the Greeks didn’t fly to the Moon. The human race didn’t know how yet.

      With socialists, they always hold the belief that simply pouring time and money into something will result in results. See: green energy. We are most likely centuries away from any type of thing that will provide the returns we need to reach a goal of fossil-fuel free existence. SDS seems to recognize that but it’s still a fallacy to believe that free energy will result in “peace in our time”. I submit that it will do the exact opposite because the technology will be highly complex and not easily understood. But it may not happen at all if the US continues with its BS degree programs where real young, innovative minds are discouraged from pursuing education in science.

      What bugs me the most is that while the world is collapsing into a planet full of “give-me’s”, the example of 236 years of US leadership is tossed aside like old newspaper. Imagine if the whole world had embraced capitalism on the scale that the US had in the 1950’s. Holy cow, I think it would’ve done far more good than what the best and brightest of each individual country considers “necessary” for the common good. Because the people who decide such things are really only looking out for their own good.

  6. captstubby

    capitalism and the NYTs New World Order

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06.....&_r=0

  7. Astravogel

    Mr. Snowdon should have read Hale’s “The Man Without a Country”
    before embarking on his endeavor to change this government.


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