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Teachers Union Wins, Students Lose In DC

From a crocodile tearing Washington Post:

Rhee to resign as schools chancellor

By Tim Craig and Bill Turque
Wednesday, October 13, 2010; A1

D.C. Schools Chancellor Michelle A. Rhee will announce Wednesday that she is resigning at the end of this month, bringing an abrupt end to a tenure that drew national acclaim but that also became a central issue in an election that sent her patron, Mayor Adrian M. Fenty, to defeat.

Rhee survived three contentious years that made her a superstar of the education reform movement and one of the longest-serving school leaders in the city in two decades. Student test scores rose, and the teachers union accepted a contract that gave the chancellor sweeping powers to fire the lowest-performing among them.

But Rhee will leave with considerable unfinished business in her quest to improve teaching, close the worst schools and infuse a culture of excellence in a system that has been one of the nation’s least effective at educating students…

Rhee and presumptive mayor Vincent C. Gray recently reached a "mutual decision" during a phone conversation that it was best for her to step down, said people close to both, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "They both agreed the sooner they could put this to bed, the better for the kids and the community, " an official close to Gray said

Huh? If Ms. Rhee agreed to that, she was agreeing that she was hurting "the kids and the community."

The move won immediate support from the Washington Teachers’ Union, which has long battled Rhee. "I think leaving sooner is better than later, so there will not be all this speculation," said union head George Parker. "Making a decision will relieve the tension."

Yes, we can’t have "the tension" of teachers being held to any kind of standards whatsoever.

Gray and Rhee agreed that the debate over her future was becoming a distraction for teachers, students and parents, people close to them said.

"She feels it’s important people understand it was a mutual decision and the two leaders came together to do what’s best for the city, the kids and the school system," a person close to Rhee said

Yes, this is almost word for word what fired commissars used to say on their way to Siberia, back in the salad days of Stalinist Russia.

Rhee’s goals – higher student achievement, better teachers and greater accountability for their classroom performance – were generally shared by her predecessors. But with new powers putting the struggling school system under mayoral control, Rhee pursued the goals with an unprecedented zeal.

She closed more than two dozen schools, fired teachers by the hundreds and spent more than two years negotiating a labor contract that gives principals new control over teacher hiring while establishing a new performance-pay system that ties compensation to growth in student test scores

And we sure as hell cannot have any of this. After all, that’s why unions were created. 

But do note that we have had complete silence about Ms. Rhee from Mr. and Mrs. Obama. Both of whom constantly pretend to be concerned about education, despite doing everything in their powers to undercut any and all teacher reforms. (Such as doing away with vouchers in the District’s system.)

Of course, in actual truth, the Obamas are only interested in funneling more money to their foot soldiers in the teachers unions.

And never mind that they send their own children to the non-union Sidwell Friends school, just like good Washington Democrats always do.

This article was posted by Steve on Wednesday, October 13th, 2010. Comments are currently closed.

40 Responses to “Teachers Union Wins, Students Lose In DC”

  1. wardmama4 says:

    So a foolish and apparently Union endorsed politco is chosen above an education oriented and sane chancellor who has improved what is among the worst school districts in America?

    And I’m to believe that these people are indeed ‘for the children.’

    I am not that stupid.

    God Help America
    A Proud American Infidel

    • Adam Moreira says:

      But they are…the reason why the children are failing is because DC parents are largely worthless and failing to motivate their children to want to learn.

      That has to come from home. And until it does, our children are not going to learn. Whether or not the teacher is unionized is completely irrelevant.

    • mr_bill says:

      “Whether or not the teacher is unionized is completely irrelevant.”

      Good point! Let’s get rid of the teachers’ unions – they’re an irrelevant vestige of a bygone era. They have outlived their usefulness and continue suck at the soft belly of public education funding, returning absolutely nothing of value for their tremeandous cost. Who knows, the quality of education might even improve.

    • David says:

      And the largest proponents of having the school do everything that mommy and daddy should be doing is… wait for it… liberals backed by the teachers unions.
      To place the blame on parents and ignore the role of the unions is just as stupid as completely blaming the unions and letting the parents off the hook.

  2. NoNeoCommies says:

    DC has always been a microcosm of America’s destruction of minorities.
    Right under the noses of the “caring” Congressional Democrats, a Democrat run DC continues to make life hell for their modern day slaves.

  3. proreason says:

    There is only 1 relevent fact in this tragedy, and it has nothing to do with teachers, students or education.

    Michelle Reese is 100% Korean.

    Or in other words. Michelle Resse is not Black.

    The overwhelmingly black population of DC would rather see their children fail than have their education system be led by a person who isn’t black.


    And if you think that misrepresents the situation, please reflect on the % of blacks who voted for a president who clearly intended to dismantle this country, and the % who still support him in overwhelming numbers after he has already succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

    • Adam Moreira says:

      It does misrepresent the situation. And if you’re claiming that they support him still, you must be dreaming.

      The parents are why the children are failing – not the unions and not Michelle Rhee.

      Also, Michelle Rhee’s strongest backer, Adrian Fenty, lost the Democratic primary on September 15 and must be out of office at the end of the year…in other words, the real reason for her dismissal is because the incoming mayor, Vince Gray, isn’t interested in keeping her.

      Therefore, Michelle Rhee’s race is irrelevant.

    • proreason says:

      Oh, Blacks no longer overwhelmingly support Obamy. I see.

      It’s just normal house cleaning in DC politics. I see.

      Ms. Rhee would be gone even if she was as black as Rev Al. I see.

      And parents are the problem; not the black culture in DC and / or racial politics. I see.

      Good insights, Adam. You seem to really have a grip on the situation in the plantation city.

    • Adam Moreira says:

      @proreason – the parents are the culture.

    • tranquil.night says:

      “The parents are the culture.”

      So we have ghetto culture – poetry of the oppressed – because black parents failed their kids multi-generationally.

      We’re talking about Public School here, otherwise known as State-Controlled Babysitting. A majority of urban kids probably have more of a family life there than at home.

      In otherwords you’re starting to sound pretty racist Adam.

      “The parents are why the children are failing – not the unions and not Michelle Rhee.”

      So a white child grows up in an upper middle class home. He’s raised in a solid two-parent home in which they attempt to raise him with solid Christian values. But because he wants to be accepted by his peers so bad – everything which culturally he’s told is important – this leads him on a chaotic journey after he leaves the house at 18 through mindless self indulgences in alcohol, drugs, even confusion over sexual and gender identity.

      Is it all the parents’ fault because they simply weren’t able to foresee and keep all these outside influences from corrupting their son’s mind, body and spirit? Is it the kid’s fault for making such self-destructive choices as an impulsive, emotionally and mentally unhealthy child that should’ve known better? Is it the school’s fault, the fault of every single teacher that failed to take a more personal interest in the child’s social development?

      Or is it the fault of all those who are stimulating and encouraging the culture of corruption?

      I’ll tell you right now trying to find out where to place the appropriate amount of blame in this situation is worthless and useless (even though it’s LIbEraliSm as usual) because it’s not going to solve anything.

      Maybe the answer here is that when we know the innocent, ignorant, and down-trodden are being manipulated and exploited by those with the power, it’s all of OUR responsibilities to stand up against those abusing that power and repair the situation. Because the result is always tragedy otherwise, and it’s usually placed squarely on the shoulders of those that lease deserve it. Then after a couple short generations the whole mess is systemic like what we have now.

    • proreason says:

      “the parents are the culture”

      Your track record is consistent. Every time you say something it’s wrong.

      Parents have zero influence on black culture and not much on white culture either.

      But let’s look at white culture, since parental influence is greater by far, there, than in black culture. Here are the major cultural influences on white culture in the US, in order of importance:

      – television
      – the internet
      – peer groups (which simply reflect the other influencers)
      – movies
      – popular music
      – celebrities ala Lady gaga and Paris Hilton
      – sports figures

      All of those influencers are far more important than the influences that should matter. They probably constitute over 90% of cultural influence. The remaining influencers include (again, in descending order of importance):

      – teachers
      – traditions
      – government (yes, more important than parents, sadly)
      – parents
      – churches
      – literature

      Obviously there are exceptions, including people who listen to their parents more than the idiot celebrities on TV (but that is rare). And obviously, there are many people who are primarilly influenced by their religion. The list is about ‘in general’, rather than the numerous exceptions.

      Reasonable people would quibble about the order, but there can be no question whatsoever that parents are very low in the order of cultural influences in this country. btw, parents and traditions have a much greater influence in Asian cultures, which probably explains why Asians are generally so successful in this country.

      For blacks, you have to add criminals to the top list of influencers.

    • Adam Moreira says:

      @proreason – absolutely false. Parents are the top influence; they have absolute control over the media that their children can view…unless they are worthless. If parents are low on the list, that is because parents let it be that way. There can be no other explanation that does not defy common sense.

      BTW, I come from a Hispanic culture.

    • tranquil.night says:

      “they have absolute control over the media that their children can view”

      Absolutely false. That would require 24/7 regulation of all academic and social influences, in which the child isn’t even going to public school and this discussion is irrelevant.

      Even if it were possible, it’s not healthy for the individual or for society. The mere fact that you’re saying parents basically need to tyrannically insulate their children from the outside world if they’re even going to have a chance at normalcy is supremely telling about where we’re at.

      BTW I grew up in Generation Me-Me in a family as Orthodox Catholic as traditional Hispanic culture.

    • proreason says:

      Adam Moreira, the Alan Grayson of S&L.

      You remind me of Grayson’s interviews after his Taliban Dan attacks against his opponent.

      The loon just sits there and no matter what the interviewer says, he says it’s wrong and accuses the interviewer of the same thing. He never has any data, proof, or even backup information on his outrageous claims. For example, when he accused his opponent of saying “Wives, submit yourself to your own husband”, in the interviews he simply says that it’s a direct quote, which of course, it is.

      Adam “Alan Grayson” Moreira.

    • Adam Moreira says:

      @tranquil.night and @proreason – not sure about your upbringing, but if parents actually were strict disciplinarians, maybe their children would be willing to learn.

  4. KY hiller says:

    Honey, behave!

    Let’s not go on like we really want DC brats to learn from their P’s. That just wouldn’t be pretty at all, now would it?

    As my overbearing Grandma used to say, during my tender and formative years, “Yeah, go on!. Then there you’ll be!”
    Problem: We’ll be there with them.

    Well I’ll be a hush my mouth. He done said something else stupid.

  5. canary says:

    The The Teachers Unions & State Superintendents in Education need to be investigated on the campaign funding for Obama. The resignations are & decisions not to run again, are not good enough.

    Question: What is the difference between president Obama & his new water dog Beau?
    Answer: The dog has papers.

  6. Liberals Demise says:

    Another fine reason why Dequan will never read or write or do arithmetic.
    He’ll instead be taught that it’s okay behavior to be gay if he so chooses.
    He can knock up little Lakeisha and never be responsible for the upbringing of his offspring but that’s okay too.
    He can quit school in the 9th grade, sell drugs, become a Bone Thug and possibly be killed on the streets. That…..sadly, seems to be okay also.

    Unions don’t just suck up all the money. They turn a blind eye on a piece of society the deem beyond help at such a young age.

    African- Americans also are at fault. Until they wake up and smell the coffee……..this will be the plow they must bear on the Obama Plantation.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      You said it. For some reason being personally responsible, getting good grades, trying to live the American Dream is now considered “acting white” by some (many). It’s really a shame. Parenting? What’s that? Being involved with what your kid is up to? Perish the thought, they are “entitled” to their privacy. (I seem to recall having that discussion with my old man where I promptly found the door to my room removed entirely.)

      As the years go on, what passes for earning legitimate respect has been bastardized into this thing called “street cred” which is, to me, absolute horses–t. Every kid has a screaming desire to be “respected” but it’s a known conundrum of that stage of life and it’s the parents’ duty to see to it they manage to find self-worth first. Most adults don’t respect teenagers in the sense they have claim to it for doing great things…because they haven’t lived long enough yet! There are exceptions but 99.999% of all teenagers have to suffer the slings and arrows of humiliation, defeat, personal reward for challenging oneself, etc. The old values are still there but few seem inclined to apply them, perhaps in fear of not being a “cool” parent.

      But when they let their kids do whatever they want, the parents have seriously let them down. But the breakdown in the family is endemic to blacks especially and it has now become the elephant in the room. Want to talk about race? Then let’s talk. But you aren’t going to like anything I have to say. It’s time to do away with victim-hood and require all people of this nation to be held responsible for bad behavior. That includes enablers.

    • Adam Moreira says:

      Ah, but that’s not the jobs of the unions – that’s the jobs of the parents.

      As for the African-American denizens, they’re just as lazy, and it has nothing to do with Obama though – only themselves.

      And what if someone chooses to be gay? That person can still be a productive member of society…if the drive to succeed is instilled at a young age. The problem is: Do these parents want their children to learn? If parents aren’t making sure that the answer is an uneqivocal yes, teachers, unionized or non-union, are helpless to do anything about it.

      Another school system will snap up Michelle Rhee pretty quickly, and it will be DC’s loss.

  7. Mithrandir says:

    Contrary to popular belief, teachers MUST be the most wicked people on the face of the earth.


    1. Easily the dumbest students on campus.
    2. Mostly jealous, petty women, who mimic the behaviors of the students they teach.
    3. Gossip and cut down parents and Parent/Teacher Conferences.
    4 Gossip about their students, who is divorced, who’s father is an alcoholic etc.
    5. Cliques of teachers who run down and make fun of other teachers not in the group.
    6. Grade fixing.
    7. Laziest S.O.B.s you have ever seen, won’t lift a finger to clean their own classrooms.
    8. Refuse any extra curricular activities for the benefit of the students. Open house, fun night, dance night….yikes! You should hear the complaining and bickering!
    9. Nepotism, trade with other school districts to get their kids hired.
    10. Greedy, want more and more, even though they teach 180 days a year, every holiday / weekend off plus long vacations.

    These people are BEYOND HORRIBLE, don’t ever stick up for them for any reason.

  8. Curmudgeon says:

    I know many teachers in my area who have been sticking it out in a failing system, trying to help those kids stuck in these schools. My mother has been in one for 25 years now watching things deteriorate and doing what she can to represent sanity.

  9. Adam Moreira says:

    BTW, just to be clear about earlier comments: The parents lost when they decided to be lazy and complacent – and that is not a racist statement. Look at there and at neighboring Prince Georges County (Maryland)…and then look at adjacent Montgomery County (Maryland)…it’s the difference in parents that is the sole difference in success and failure. If DC denizens were smart, they would have re-elected Fenty unless there was another valid reason for not doing so. But shame on the incoming mayor, Vince Gray, for refusing to retain Rhee.

    • untrainable says:

      shame on the incoming mayor, Vince Gray, for refusing to retain Rhee. Rhee got tossed because the union didn’t like her. She was actually accomplishing something, but it was costing bad teachers their jobs, and we can’t have that no can we. That same union backed Gray’s campaign. He’s bought and paid for already. I’m sure we’ll hear about more “change” for the DC school system as the union tightens their grip. I saw her resignation press conference, and though her words were very measured, you could see the anger on her face. The broken noses at the NEA have spoken. Watch for test scores to drop like a bad transmission.

    • Adam Moreira says:

      Adrian Fenty would have retained her even in the face of union opposition had he not lost the primary last month (not the spring as I had said earlier; thank goodness that this forum has an edit function).

      Are you saying though that the unions were trying to unseat Adrian Fenty because he supported Michelle Rhee? If that’s the case, Fenty should have challenged them head on, and have one last laugh at the union’s expense: a Chapter 9 bankruptcy that results in their contract being thrown out by a judge, and all of the teachers being fired…breaking the union in the process.

      (The question would be: Who would then have to sign off on a new agreement?)

  10. Chase says:

    I am going to stand up for Adam’s side in this conversation (or are we in a 72-hour limit on current events? LOL) in that no matter what else, parents (or lack of them) are the key in every case, in any community in America.

    I agree that parents should be/could be the strongest influence, promoting or countering any cultural or influences that rub off or seduce them at school. It is laziness, lack of perspective, and lack of communication, and ultimately, lack of love and understanding that have shifted ultimate responsibility from parents to blaming the rest of society, and in course, have enabled marxists to infiltrate public education and ultimately waste the time, attention, patience, and opportunities of many of us, and our kids. David, you are right – the liberals with their agenda will exploit every weakness, and one cannot absolve the union’s intrusion into parental roles, but neither need they be given any room for access.

    Folks here might classify us as demented or tyrannical parents, but so far we have seen three kids married, all without pre-maritial sexual experience, devoid of instances of dabbling with drugs or alcohol, one traffic violation, and having set good examples for two younger siblings still working in those same directions.

    Our children grew up largely without broadcast TV (we taped shows on VHS and utilized public library’s holdings.) Our children have not had totally unfettered access to the internet, and while we have struggled with video gaming as a huge distraction and attraction, we have managed. We have no R-rated movies in the home, not even Mom or Dad watch them; no movie channels and the kids do not have unlimited rental privileges at Blockbuster.

    We have deleted any music copied from CDs borrowed from the library, and there are no CDs with explicit lyrics coming in. My kids have never heard their dad utter anything considered profane. They don’t attend sleepovers at homes wherein we don’t know the parents. MTV has never been an influence in our home.

    Yeah, the kids have groaned, resisted, compared us with other parents, and set the radio in the car to FM stations their friends listen to when we are not in the car….(There have been ommissions – short-lived exposures via friend’s homes and internet, popular but inappropriate songs downloaded via ITunes, etc. We don’t have to police them – their demeanor and moods tell us when something has reared ugliness in their lives, and it has always come out and corrective action taken.)

    In response to every outside influence, they have had explanations, lessons, discussions and conversations to explore the reasons for our lifestyle. They have seen the consequences around them of others who live differing standards. They have attended church, participated in scouting or similar programs for girls (not GSA), held part-time jobs, and reviewed with us what they learned in school.

    The results?

    When my daughter’s psychology teacher showed, in violation of school board rules, an R-rated movie, my daughter walked out of class. When confronted, she (and thankfully, a couple friends who followed) knew how to explain herself and her actions and principles.

    When the same teacher f-bombed the class, she told us how uncomfortable she was. She knew we would back her up. I was in the vice-principal’s office the next day, with a copy of the school handbook wherein profanity was noted as a violation.

    When another daughter (16 yrs old) came home from a class and told me she had learned what a blow-job was, she knew I would handle it, but not embarrass her.

    When my kids are at a home where an R-rated movie is going to be played, they call us for a ride. We drop whatever we are doing to retrieve them.

    When my eldest daughter was in college, she told her professor in advance that she would be absent from the anthropology course when she made the class view “The Vagina Monologues.” (I don’t know when college classes started taking attendance, but her professor tried to throw ‘lack of participation’ at my daughter, who offered to do other work out of class that day, or to join the class for post-presentation discussions – the professor told her she was not to be admitted for the discussion only….)

    My kids do not live in fear. They know we live the same principles we teach. They know we have cleaned out and thrown away music of nostaligic value to us, which we belatedly realize had inappropriate lyrics. They know why we have the standards we do, and have additional basis in religious teaching, historical figures and events, and good literature.

    They know too that we will leave comment cards, speak to managers, visit school administrators, write letters, seek out other’s parents, read movie reviews, and walk out of movies or situations that would undermine the family’s values.

    My point in this lengthy post is that if parents will invest, be uncompromisingly vigilant, and stay involved, and seek quality in entertainment, literature and activities, the kids will grow up, and as the examples offered, adhere of their own volition to the values experienced at home when they are on their own.

    Studies show kids yearn for limits and discipline. Yeah, our kids complained growing up. With 3 out of 5 married, none of those on their own have had anything negative to say in regards to the principles to which their rearing was anchored. They may stray here or there, but we feel assured that whatever pitfalls that might arise or paths they might explore, that they will return at some point to the values they know .

    Stay with me for 15 seconds more – I am opposed, as many of you, to legalization of marijuana, and to lessening its prosecution of the drug culture. There are many reasons, i.e., public safety, doorway to worse, etc. But my most basic reason is the children. We don’t need to be spacing out, de-stressing, taking “at trip without leaving the farm” or otherwise getting involved in something that will for a moment induce us as parents to ignore or otherwise be unresponsive to a child’s need for care and attention.

    Race, tribe, neighborhood, tax bracket, unions, school district, or local or national officials and bureaucrats are all asides to a parent’s influence. Most of us won’t have positions to influence or make big changes in society – if we focus on our homes, we will have done our part. No external successes will compensate for failing as parents.

    • proreason says:

      Congrats on being a great parent.

      But it doesn’t have anything to do with the condition of DC schools or why the commissioner lady got fired. She got fired because of racial politics. period.

      And blaming bad parents for social problems is easy enough to do (not that Chase is doing it, but Alan Grayson Moriera is). It’s akin to blaming voters for Obamy. Sure, at some level it’s true. But if it is profoundly true, then the answer is probably to kill all the bad Voters…..and bad parents…..or perhaps pull out their fingernails until they become good parents and good voters.

      People, it’s always always the process (aka, the culture, or the system). No human being is genetically a good parent or a bad parent. People ARE TAUGHT how to be parents…..just like they are taught everything except how to breast feed, cry, and to fear heights.

      The problem, as Rush always says, is liberalism, not parents. DC parents have been bribed and conned and brow-beaten by liberals into being fools and caring more about their next fix than they care about their own children. The school system reflects the same. That’s the problem. Parents are as much the victims as the students are.

      Blame the source. Liberalism.

      To fix it. Defeat Liberalism. In a generation, DC parents will be just as good as Chase is.

    • Adam Moreira says:

      Yes—and you just highlighted all of the problems with many parents today…refusal to take charge.

      In the absence of that, someone else has to be a disciplinarian, and to me, schools should be run as areas of strict discipline with heavy-handed punishment for on-campus and off-campus violations.

      Where’s Bill Cosby to chew out the parents of minorities when you need him?

      @prorearon – based on looking at NYC as a microcosm (I know it isn’t DC, but it’s what I can comment on), it is profoundly true that parents, or their parents, let up somewhere along the way. Even with social liberalism, the love for learning can be taught from home…and so can the discipline, because at the end of the day, if something wrong goes unpunished, it will be repeated.

      As for the race aspect though: Adrian Fenty is black, Michelle Rhee is presumably Pacific Islander, Vince Gray appears to be white, and who knows what her successor will be?

      To fix DC schools, one solution could be to reduce money from welfare programs and redirect it to putting police officers in schools to strike fear into the students, and also to institute a uniform policy. All of it would be part of fixing broken windows, with zero tolerance. At the end of the day though, parents will need to be proactive.

      The ironic part here: Fenty apparently represented a fresh face (he is 40), and the person to whom he lost a primary bid (Vince Gray) is 68 and a return to the old guard. Fenty was essentially the Chris Christie of Democrats.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Our thoughts are a product of our perceptions about the world and its workings. Our beliefs. It’s great that you took such solid steps for your kids, I just hope they know that they’re growing up in a world that despises the values you’re trying to give them. And I hope you know that they’re going to be tested to a degree you can’t begin to imagine, simply for being who they are, the moment they’re out of you’re watch – if they aren’t every day already. Daddy can’t be there with the gun to tell the bad people to stay away from his little girl forever.

      But yeah, it doesn’t have much to do with the points Pro and I are making. You can’t simply tell millions of bad parents to grow up and be responsible. Nor could you ever reasonably enforce such an edict. You have to be dynamic about how you approach the problem. You have to look at all the cultural, economic, even religious circumstances that surround them.

      In complex social crises like this which affect EVERYONE, it’s not sufficient to chalk the blame solely to the actions of misguided individuals, when the sheer volume of individuals behaving irresponsibly is so clearly as a result of a belief system founded on lies. You have to look at the bigger picture of who and what is guiding them – at who’s manipulating them.

      Sing it out in chorus now: Blame the source. LIbEraliSm.

      EDIT: Adam I can’t believe you’re advocating turning public schools essentially into prisons, as if they weren’t already. And they call us Social Conservatives the nazis.

  11. Liberals Demise says:

    I second what pro said!!

  12. Chase says:

    Seems to me there is room to agree here in that there should be no doubt that a segment of society was pacified and lured very willingly into early retirement by the overtures made by the nanny state and those like Hildabeast that think multiculturalism and diversity should dictate and provide for how our kids are raised. And yes, that usurpation of parental responsibility has been bred into a following generation or two.

    My comments, not meant to be chest beating (98% of credit goes to the kid’s Mom) were only meant to inveigh against the assertion that parents have had the authority and onus removed from them unwillingly or by immovable pressure. We are nothing special; we are just committed to raising our own kids.

    Each parent is responsible for their children, and can make a significant difference in creating the culture their kids come to know. The nanny state has indeed incentivized parents’ shirking of primary responsiblities with burdensome entitlements for us all while relativizing values and taking black and white and creating too much (Vince) Gray.

  13. Chase says:

    Sorry, not trying to bump up numbers of post or something…


    What kind of actions outside of school do you suggest schools should be responsible for when you wrote “off-campus violations?”

    No way are teachers or social workers stepping foot uninvited onto my property, or going to supplant or pile on discipline for my kids for what they might guess goes on outside of school. My kids are not at school to be disciplined for “off-campus” acts, or measured by “on campus” values. That includes deciding to school them on sex education, providing condoms, or suffering sniggering frat-boy teachers sexualizing biology, psychology, or anatomy classes.

    Unfortunately, the liberals have dumbed stuff so down in academics and competition that everything is geared instead to the self-esteem and learning desire of the lowest common denominator instead of the, ah, mmm….an analogy breaks down when one can’t remember math terminology…..

    • Adam Moreira says:

      Off-campus violations – if the child is involved in a crime off-campus. Truancy enforcement would also help.

      @tranquil – perhaps those calling social conservatives the Nazis (although I don’t agree with all the aspects of it) should be looking at themselves in the mirror.

      Back to the topic at hand, to me, since this is DC, the schools chancellor and any appointees should have to be approved by the Senate (in something that can only be done for that city); if this were the case, Vince Gray would have to keep Rhee on since his nominee would not survive a filibuster. If Michelle Rhee had a good idea that her job would be safe even after Adrian Fenty leavs office, she would not have been resigned. However, I believe that she should have forced Gray to fire her once he takes office next year, such that Vince Gray would be hoisted by his own petard if Kaya Henderson, her successor, does not succeed.

      BTW, how did Rhee get her job to begin with? Mike Bloomberg’s schools chancellor (he has had only one in nine years as mayor) recommended her to Adrian Fenty.

      It’s really a shame, because in a position like that, one needs five years to measure success. I hope that the Washington Post is happy.

      Now, if Cory Booker in New Jersey is looking for a schools chancellor, Rhee would be a good choice…someone like her needs a strong mayor to have the time to succeed.

  14. canary says:

    Adam Moreira/ ” BTW, I come from a Hispanic culture.”

    That explains your recent loyalty beyond truth in the rescuing of minors in Chile. What color you are is irrelevant, but you hispanic “culture” is of interest. Have you any idea the extra work the schools do to set up tutoring for children who can’t speak English, and their parents don’t? Those are spanish speaking parents that can’t educate their children one bit.

    You keep hammering the unions are not in the least at fault. The entire blame is on the parents. Not knowing your culture, perhaps you are unaware of how powerful & corrupt the teachers union is the power to spread their propaganda more than teaching our children.

    The teachers union is the number problem in the schools in this country. The financial moves made by principals, superintendents, all the way to their union, in getting Obama elected, has taken money from education. Teachers are pretty well forced to join, it helps them keep their jobs, no matter what they do, and the union doesn’t give teachers who object to things going on in the system, so the good ones, have no voice.
    Things are different today because of technology in forcing schools to one standard, that being lead & formed by leaders of the teachers unions agenda. They can’t be fought. A mob of parents can’t even make a difference or change in a school. That is how powerful the teachers union is.
    The authorities in schools undermine parents. Periods. They can make a students life difficult too.

    “It’s the parent’s fault” is something all the teachers like to say. Are you one?

    • Adam Moreira says:

      Nope – not a teacher. And last I checked, almost every school is part of a local government, which has the ultimate weapon if unions ever get out of control…if the top executive ever chooses to use it: Chapter 9 bankruptcy.

      Around NYC, the parochial schools (Catholic) are unionized separately, but students excel there. 90 percent of the motivation to learn originates at the home.

  15. Chase says:


    I still don’t get it. Your ideas is that schools should form or act as an additional layer of the judicial system by further disciplining students for things the law enforcement and judiciary are tasked, trained, funded and have oversight in administering?

    • Adam Moreira says:

      However, the thought cannot be ignored. Discipline is a big problem with respect to learning. Perhaps someone else has a better idea than mine, which is probably not too good, but I will gladly listen to someone else’s solution.

    • heykev says:


      Yes, it should be ignored. Adding an additional layer to the mix is simply a really, really bad idea.

      The schools in Rockford IL have that additional judicial layer of management. It has done only one thing well – increased taxes for those living there. The unintended consequences of this are:
      Added additional layers of management that made no scholastic improvements. Many times these managers did the exact same job as those hired by the school district.
      Made many move to outlaying areas so they don’t have to pay the taxes.
      Made it nearly impossible to get companies to move there as the housing taxes are so high.
      Unemployment is now one of the highest in the nation at ~20%. Having that additional layer of management is one of the reasons (albeit not the only one of course – but it’s part of the mix) Rockford is becoming a ghost town.

  16. canary says:

    Adam / “almost every school is part of a local government, which has the ultimate weapon if unions ever get out of control”

    The govt sides with the unions. Even trying to get the smallest legislation changed in what is taught in school is a loss.

    The issue is not as you keep saying 100 %, 98%, now 90% of the parents fault as to the education a child gets. People who don’t even have children in school fight for better schools. It’s common since that a parents involvement in disciplining their children plays a large roll, but you can not come out with molded children. They have free will.

    The schools are having children fill out papers, read things, the parents have no idea of. They start them young. And it has come to the better schools finally caving into the Nationalism agenda of the teachers union.

    And please, not everyone can afford a Catholic school. Here you must be a member, get on a list, etc.
    The Christian schools vary. Homeschooling has gotten better, but not without a long political fight. I think that was one good thing about leave no child behind, as far as public schools making a home schooled child repeat grades, but then it’s the state offers a grant if you go to public schools.
    Then there is an English test the children in 8th grade must take & make at least a 70 on, in order for them to get their license two years later at 16. And many kids didn’t study or pass, so it will be interesting. If they drop out at 16, I guess they won’t be able to drive to work.

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