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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, November 18th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

27 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. Mithrandir says:

    I just can’t believe ANY of the Republican candidates have baggage any worse than the guy in office right now.

    ~Do you really care that Newt Gingrich was married twice or has a lesbian daughter? Meanwhile, Obama gives over 1 billion $ to black farmers (racial pay offs) to settle claims?
    ~Cain offended some chicks, meanwhile Barack sat in a bigot’s church for 20 years? Is this really equal?
    ~Do you really care about Rick Perry stumbling WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER, meanwhile the guy in charge now, can’t speak without one, doesn’t know how many states there are, doesn’t know he is in Hawaii giving a speech–not Asia, and signs his name in a registry 2 years prior to the actual date.
    ~Do you really care that much about Romney and Romney care when IT ACTUALLY IS a state responsibility, meanwhile the feds trample the 10th Amendment and install their own? And double-meanwhile an open border which IS A FEDERAL RESPONSIBILITY is being ignored, and they are suing states that try to make up for the deficiency?

    ~Carter was a real Naval officer, the guy in charge now has NEVER sacrificed for his country, despite haranguing everyone else to sacrifice for their fellow man.
    ~Cater was a peanut farmer, Obama has never had that kind of real world economic knowledge.
    ~Carter was a real Governor with real executive experience, –he has none.
    ~Carter at least tried to negotiate peace with Israel, Obama insult Netanyahu, then bolts off to chug beer in Ireland while he addresses Congress.

    –Depressing what people will vote for, and the minorities still give him 70% approval ratings.

    • proreason says:

      Mith has thought it through.

      There isn’t a perfect candidate, never was, never will be.

      Little lenin must be defeated.

    • Melly says:

      Mithrandir thank you for your comment. I’ve been paying close attention to all the comments regarding the Presidential election. You possess clarity. You are looking beyond the seemingly stringent criteria on to certain conservatives are holding. You realize the true goal namely the retirement of BHO. I am of the same mind. BHO must leave in 2012, must. I have come to a startling realization: a certain group of people do not want to see a a successful Republican President who is not known as a Conservative first – no matter how successful his administration is in putting this country back on the right track.

    • tranquil.night says:

      That’s a healthy dose of some desperately needed perspective Mith.

      Melly, there’s also a certain, very powerful group within the Republican Party with no interest in seeing a Conservative reach the presidency and succeed as well. C’est la vie. The responsibility ultimately falls on the candidates to try and break or manage these paradigms, although we’re well within our right to knock a Conservative or Establishment Republican voter upside the head with The Big Picture schtick if chosen candidate x bombs out and they start crying about how there’s no point to vote in the general now or there’s no difference between the parties, waah wahh.

      Eyes on target people. We’ve come astonishingly far, but we gotta see this nightmare through together.

  2. GetBackJack says:

    I love your passion, Mith, but …. none of that matters when the MSM chooses sides.

    By the way, Admiral Rickover, chief of the nuclear sub program and an infamous micro-manager utterly familiar with all his officers is on record as saying about Jimmy Carter’s claim to have been in the Navy’s nuclear forces ….

    “… who? I never heard of the guy. What’s he claiming?”

    And secondly, I no longer believe in valid voting results from the polls. The stakes are too high for corruption to not have taken hold and own the count.

  3. sticks says:

    Good points to ponder from you all. The current divisiveness between conservatives has the footprints of the MBM all over it They know that if united we will win the next presidency and so they highlight inconcistancies and gaffs along with any hint of a skeleton in the closet all of which when put together make a candidate appear unfit. They will do this to all of our candidates while at the same time hiding everything about Obama. We’ve got to buck up and fight this tooth and claw. No candidate will be flawless so lets stop letting them divide us over their flaws, if someone is a real scoundrel, well fine then, give him the boot. We are going to have to back someone because another four years of Obama will be as good for the republic as his health care is good for your health.

    • proreason says:

      Sticks, I agree. In fact, I believe that a lot (but not all) of the virulent attacks against candidatates on conservative websites are Obamy plants.

      My general reading rule is if the attack is primarilly personal (i.e., Perry is stupid, Cain is clueless, Newt is immoral, Romney is a member of a cult), then the author is more than likely to be a troll. I’ve been really hard on Cain for about 2 months, but never attacked him for his personal attributes. That doesn’t help the cause. It seems to me that all of the Republican candidates are decent people, unlike many Dems (Schumer, Frank, Pelosi, etc.).

  4. tranquil.night says:

    Dan Riehl’s got a great expose of Romney-bashing quotes he dug up from 2008 authored by none other than former Maverick lover and present-day Mitt-o-phile Jennifer Rubin: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2011/11/jennifer-rubin-found-gold.html

    Too funny. What an establishment tool.

  5. Mithrandir says:

    Thanks everyone. The establishment hated REAGAN too. –They always pander to conservatives, then take advantage of their zeal. “Hey, a conservative really can’t win, so why don’t you all just play it safe, and elect one of us big-government-types, to ensure the win?”

    Although I CAN’T STAND RINO-mney, or any other RINO, the stupid arguments by the media are even worse. As I have stated before, it is family court lawyer tactics being played with all the candidates. Criticize any and every thing they say and do, even if it’s good, honest, legal, and correct. —sneer and hiss and act offended at all their counter-attacks (just like the muslims do when you even HINT at making a mockery of their sacred cows).

    Newt spent too much money on his wife! —so? It’s his money.
    Newt got money from Fannie and Freddie! —so? since when is that a dirty word?
    Newt has a lesbian daughter!—so? You people LOVE lesbians, since when is this a crime?

    Romney started Obamacare! –so? Liberals LOVE Obamacare, and it’s a state function, same as education is.

    Cain offended women! —so? Ted Kennedy accidentally KILLED is mistress, Cain should get at least 47 years in the Senate.

    Perry stumbles during a speech! –so? The country is worse than bankrupt, as we have LESS THAN $0….we OWE trillions! I could care a less about someone who stumbles less than Bumbling Joe Biden.

    It’s all to demoralize you. They know conservatives are finicky and steadfast, (and actually have values), so they want to pick pick pick until you give up. Their picking are issues YOU would be concerned about, not what liberals care about. They love lesbianism, socialized medicine, socialized housing loans, they know you hate it. Republicans just need to pound away on the “I am not Obama” tactic, and they will win, just like he did with George Bush even though he had substantial baggage yet strangely no experience.
    —I just pray that they don’t choose Romney like they chose McCain for us in 2008.

    ~Thank again guys. . .

    • proreason says:

      This is right again.

      A good strategy for the Republican nominee will be to simply describe what Obama is for, what he has done, and who he has hired, over and over and over. The data is right there for the world to see.

      I know that the conventional wisdom is that the Republican has to offer a positive vision, but don’t forget, the vision that Obama got elected on was two words, hope and change. That was it. Everything that is offered beyond that presents something for the marxists to tear into with their fear machine.

      The vision that the nominee should offer is along the lines of:
      – reduce unemployment of 9.2% caused by Obama
      – return the country’s AAA credit rating that Obama downgraded
      – reverse the policies of hatred and diviseness epitomized by Obama’s OWS riots
      – return the country to being friends with England and Israel, instead of friends with Iran and Syria
      – etc.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Yes. Great points and great ideas. All of these policy debates and media anal’s have been (mostly) productive for the primary, but the general is going to require a focussed strategy. The regime is going to use all means necessary to make the election about anything but their record including 3rd party populist screwballs and voter fraud. Stay on offense. This is where Team Mitt has shown comfort and consistency thus far.

  6. GetBackJack says:

    There won’t be a 2012 election.

  7. tranquil.night says:

    Democracy Denied: Michelle with more details on Schmucky’s lockout of the Tea Party Debt Commission report – http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/18/whos-afraid-of-a-tea-party-panel-part-ii-what-the-fishwrap-of-record-didnt-tell-you/

    Read the whole thing. Unbelievable (not). Someone just happens to call in a suspicious package to Sessions’ office to close down the chamber where the hearing is going to be held. The all-clear was given before the scheduled time, yet they still were locked out. Emails show it was clearly political.

    Rumors are that Mike Lee’s staffers, who originally worked for whoever the irrelevant Republican Establishment tool was that we helped Lee oust in 2010, were in on this. I repeat it because the issue of Congressional and Senatorial Freshman having to employ the former staffers of whom they just politically defeated is one I hear about alot when in discussions about the entrenched establishment and business as usual. DC is a fetid swamp full of smelly critters.

  8. tranquil.night says:

    Smitty with an exceptional response to the ever-smug Kathleen Parker & David Brooks: http://theothermccain.com/2011/11/20/if-kathleen-parker-was-just-a-bit-less-masculine-she-might-be-david-brooks/

    “You have the gall to denigrate the actual ideas of patriots of the Palin caliber, which could make a difference, while coddling up to the Ruling Class Overlords who are the cause of the woes. Get stuffed, you worthless sack. If your Pundit Card had any less value, it would be a Raaaaace Card. Your worthlessness shines in the way you never espouse liberty, American Exceptionalism, State’s rights, or, any ideas of value. Your chief value is in helping to identify valuable conservative leadership by process of elimination; anybody you favor simply isn’t worth a hoot.”

    But boy is that hair and the crease in the pants fine.

  9. tranquil.night says:

    Professor Jacobson @ Legal Insurrection has what he calls ‘Operation Counterweight’ which is about our upcoming effort to support strong Conservatives in the Congressional races. It’ll take shape more coming out of the primaries but I’m starting to take note now of the strong potential leaders emerging, as they are going to be essential in strengthening the overall 2012 ticket.

    Here’s whose popping up on my radar so far:

    Ohio: State Treasurer (and two-tour Iraq vet) Josh Mandel, http://joshmandel.com/ endorsed by several Conservative political action groups, foremost being Jim DeMint.

    Florida: Rep. Connie Mack http://mack.house.gov/ who is leading over another very solid candidate Adam Hasner. The Florida GoP has been churning out diamonds In recent years.

    Nebraska: Jon Bruning, challenging Cornhusker Kickback Sen. Nelson and endorsed by Tea Party Express http://jonbruning.com/

    Maine: challenging squish Olympia Snowe, Scott d’Amboise http://www.damboiseforsenate.com/

    Indiana: State Treasurer Richard Mourdock, endorsed by the grassroots, hopes to face off against Dick Lugar http://www.richardmourdock.com

    I will try and keep tabs on these candidates and more as they emerge.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Texas: Fmr. Solicitor General Ted Cruz is a stellar candidate and speaker, “As good as it gets” – George Will. He’s locked into a competition with Perry’s Lt. Governor for Kay Bailey Hutchinson’s upcoming vacant seat. http://www.tedcruz.org/bio/

      Arizona: Rep. Jeff Flake, praised by Paul Ryan, is chasing retiring Sen. John Kyl’s seat. http://www.jeffflake.com/

      Nebraska: State Treasurer Don Stenberg looks to be the strongest Conservative in a position to take the primary, bringing a superb resume to the table http://stenbergforsenate.com/

      Thanks to Erickson for the heads-up on this batch.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Connie Mack is on Sean, talking Sen. Nelson, liberty vs bureaucracy, baseline budgeting and the supercommittee, and the Penny plan. Very solid.

  10. tranquil.night says:

    Over half of all local precinct committeemen positions in the party are still vacant. This remains a tremendous opportunity for us in changing the dynamics on the ground. I found this presentation by LaborUnionReport @ Redstate extremely informative.


  11. Petronius says:

    Tonight country Band Perry performs at the “In Performance at the White House” program.

    Hope they remember to play “You Lie” for Nerobama. For what could possibly be more fitting?


    The way you lie,
    Well, it’s what you do,
    It’s who you are.

  12. Hi, everyone:

    It’s been a while since I’ve stopped by and read and commented. Feeling a little overwhelmed by not only politics, but life in general. We lost my aunt unexpectedly in March, my mother-in-law passed away in April after a long struggle with ALS, a cousin passed away in August and so did my husband’s aunt.

    On the up side, we are looking at buying our first (and hopefully only) home. We’re hoping to make an offer on a place by the end of the month.

    I especially wish I’d been around during all the insanity that’s happened here in Wisconsin. We’re now in (yet another) recall against Governor Walker — despite the fact his reforms are working very well for the people of Wisconsin. Stories of fraud and intimidation are already abounding and the recall effort isn’t even a week old. Given that Republicans won the Wisconsin Supreme Court election earlier this year, and maintained a majority after the first round of recalls, I’m cautiously optimistic a recall against Walker will fail. But I’m not longer amazed at the lengths the left will go to to get their way, so who knows how low they’ll stoop to throw Walker out of office…

    Mostly, I wanted to pop in and say, “Hello” and that I’m alive and I miss being politically active (having a crazy life and 2 young boys will do that) and I hope all of you have a very blessed and Happy Thanksgiving.

    • JohnMG says:

      Thanks, EQ. Good to hear from you again. Best of luck with the new house.

      Mrs. MG and I took her Mom home to Wisconsin to be buried on Veterans Day. We found the mood on the north-western part of the state mostly in favor of retaining Walker. Hopefully common sense will prevail.

      Have a wonderful Thanksgiving and a blessed Christmas.

    • tranquil.night says:

      My prayers go out to your family EQ.

      You cheese-heads are absolutely inspirational in how you defended the Wisconsin Ranger’s reform mandate from ostensibly the first Fleabagger occupation. I have total faith you’ll stand by him again.

      You guys got my fantasy-land state Congress in Calheefornya to start whispering about Walker-esque reforms. Bravo!

  13. @JohnMG:

    I live in Milwaukee, one of the two deeply-blue enclaves of the state. Tell your family/friends up north that the left around these parts is determined and (I believe) will stop at nothing. So they should be prepared to go vote (again) to preserve Walker.

    Thank you both for your kind words. It’s been a heck of a year, that’s for sure.

  14. proreason says:

    The not electable case against Newt:


    This is my main concern, since I view Newt and Romney as about equal on policy and Newt better at the basic elements of communication (i.e., he’s even better than Romney at debating). Does he turn people off who aren’t into politics? We already know the far right hates him but will vote for him if he’s nominated (or, at least, no more won’t vote for him than won’t vote is Romney is the nominee). The left will never vote for him. But what about people who aren’t really right or left? Cost argues that Newt will not win them. I’m not so sure that the argument that he was annoying 15 years ago applies now, but Jay does give some recent examples.

    There are two things I’m watching for: 1) what Cost is talking about, which is really pretty unknowable, and 2) how Newt handles the Borking.

    It’s interesting that the msm isn’t hammering Romney. That tells me they think he will win, since they are holding their fire. They won’t jump on Bain Capital and Mormonism until next October.

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