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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, January 13th, 2012. Comments are currently closed.

21 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. preparing4theworst says:

    Just a question that occurred as I was fixing supper….Has Queen Nancy had to give up her big jet now that she has been demoted, or has she kept it and hoped no one has noticed? Anyone??

    • sheehanjihad says:

      Nancy gave up the big jet! Actually, it’s because she’s discovered a way to use her frown lines to great advantage….she squeezes out copious amounts of Botox and other facial goo holding her jowls at bay, and it instantly paralyzes time and space in front of her, the force of which shrinks distances to within feet of her office. She then has her staff carry her on a gold sedan chair into the next room, which turns out to be her plastic surgeon’s office/ home.

      Word is though, that she is working on a secret project to turn her gaping yap into a giant worm hole….oh, wait……

  2. jimwilson says:

    Volkswagen denies GM another year as #1 in global sales

    Government Motors cooks the books to try to claim #1… but analysts see through the fake numbers…

    CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) – The headlines from most media are declaring that General Motors jumped back to the lead of worldwide vehicle sales in 2011, but analysts say that is not actually true.

    GM, which had the title for 70 years until 2008, lost it in the worldwide financial crisis that followed. GM became partially government-owned with a $49.5 billion bailout and taxpayers are still out about $25.5 billion, according to CNNMoney.

    But, everyone loves a comeback story, so it comes as little surprise that there are GM cheerleaders, who might want to prop up the company in hopes of national pride — or one day getting their money back.

    There are more than 500 Google listings for news stories declaring GM the winner, but buried in those stories is the fact GM is counting a partially-own company in its sales, pushing it higher.

    However, the true global sales winner in 2011 was a first-timer to the top of the heap: Volkswagen.

    Link to full story……

  3. canary says:

    Lecture at University in April 2010. I also posted this on other site.


    BostonGlobe: Mormon church obtained Vietnam draft deferrals for Romney, other missionaries

    By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 24, 2007

    As the Vietnam War raged in the 1960s, Mitt Romney received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon “minister of religion” for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years.

    Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies.

    By serving as a missionary and being given the deferment, Romney ensured that he would not be drafted from July 1966 until February 1969. Romney’s draft record from the time describes him as “minister of religion or divinity student.”

    “I really don’t recall thinking about political positions when I was knocking at the door in France” as a missionary, Romney said. “I was supportive of my country. I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”

    Separately, Romney’s draft service was deferred due to his status as a full-time student for about three years.

    “When Governor Romney’s deferment for college and missionary service ended, he made himself available for military service, and his name went into the lottery, but he was not selected,” Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said via e-mail.


    I guess I don’t understand what he said at the lecture and then making this statement.

    Sounds like Obama’s run for political office speech that he’d have gladly joined the military and hunt down terrorist…

    Romney: “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam…”

    (Can’t you imagine living at that rich dig over in France with no work to do because the French love wine; Mitt’s longing to be in Vietnam. yeah right)

    • tranquil.night says:

      If this were the Mitt Romney that people got to see on the campaign trail, there’d be a lot more warmth towards him I think. This is the most dynamic, honest and substantive insight into the business cycle I’ve yet to see him display mastery of in public. And he talks at length about how much government interference screws with that natural order.

      I still don’t get it though. If he understands all of this in a very intimate and intellectual manner, why does he agree with RomneyCare?

    • proreason says:


      If Romney could get every voter to spend 45 uninterrupted minutes before going to the polls, he would win the presidency.

      Too bad about negative ads.

    • Mithrandir says:

      “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country…
      HA! WHAT!? Ha ha… —oh, he was trying to be serious wasn’t he? Ah yes, one of life’s many regrets: Not asking that girl to the prom, not taking out that life insurance policy, not investing in that sure-bet company, AND NOT GOING TO VIETNAM TO GET YOUR HEAD SHOT OFF & HAVING PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA.
      –Perhaps Romney will encourage his 5 boys to spend a few years in Afghanistan, a la the Sullivan brothers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers

      Ah well, it’s about a 5000 year old tradition: important people and their kids getting out of military service. Anther seemingly “fair” system, that is corrupted and tilted towards people with money, power, influence.

      I think most of us realize, war is a government function to cull some of the poor and stupid people out of the gene pool, distract from poor political management, create jobs for others, and OF COURSE make a whole ton of money for well-connected political industrialists. Anyone who dares question the government when they gin-up war is, “unpatriotic!” “crazy” “dangerous” “working for the enemy.” Puh! we know better….

  4. xdannyh says:

    Stay tuned for Oblah blah’s war with Iran, for all the above stated reasons

  5. proreason says:

    Totally different twist on Bain Capital


    In a nutshell, Bain bid high in the early competition to buy businesses, and when the competition was eliminated, lowered the bids.

    The author questions the ethics of the tactic…but of course it’s all legal. The author suggests that Romney might not be true to his word about how would govern.

    The author may be a raging liberal and hate Romney, but it does seem to fit a pattern, does it not?

    • tranquil.night says:

      Two interesting pieces:

      Kevin Williamson on whether Bain profited on “bailouts:” http://www.nationalreview.com/exchequer/287927/no-bain-did-not-get-bailout

      A little background: Romney began his career at Bain Consulting in 1977 and then led the effort to spin off a separate company, Bain Capital, a private-equity firm, in 1984. He was good at it: During Romney’s years at the firm, its average annual return on investments was 113 percent. But back at the mother ship, Bain & Company, things were not going as well. There were disputes among the senior leadership, and there was the usual Wall Street horror show of irresponsible debt.

      ..It was your classic strategy [by Bain’s founding partners] of taking some cash in hand while leveraging up the firm on overly optimistic assumptions about future growth, kind of like American public finances writ small.

      So early on, Romney was trying to dig himself out of a hole. And it looks like in a couple of cases of investment they engaged in the classic strategy of leveraging up IPO’s with overly optimistic assumptions.

      It makes me cringe when something in the New York Slimes is making a little sense-

      Ross Douthat: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-benefits-of-bain-capitalism.xml

      But like all golden ages it passed. First in Europe and then in Asia, competitors emerged to challenge the United States’ economic dominance. In this new landscape, the pillars of the postwar economic order began to look like liabilities. Our heavily unionized industries seemed sclerotic, our regulatory system stifling, our tax rates punitive. And so American policy makers, C.E.O.’s and investors responded by changing their priorities -privileging growth over security, efficiency over equality, and embracing creative destruction on a scale that would have been unthinkable in the America of 1955.

      In the private sector, this revolution was driven by men like Mitt Romney. As Ben Wallace-Wells put it in a New York magazine profile last October, Romney has spent his entire career seeking to “perfect” the American corporation, stripping “its inefficiencies until it might function as a perfectly frictionless economic unit.”

      .. In the broadest sense, though, the competitiveness revolution was good for the United States. In the 1970s,there were sound economic reasons to expect that other developed nations would gradually catch up to American living standards and per capita G.D.P. Instead, our rivals got rich, but we stayed richer. As Adam Davidson noted in last weekend’s Times Magazine, “even Europe’s best-performing large country, Germany, is about 20 percent poorer than the U.S. on a per-person basis.”

      Instead, Romney needs to prove to anxious voters that he and his party have more to offer them than just Bain capitalism alone. To win the White House, he’ll need to promise not only competition that leads to growth, but growth that leads to broadly shared prosperity.

  6. GetBackJack says:

    I have serious ethical issues with every “Economic-ism” on the planet. Communism? Kill it with fire. Socialism? Kill it with fire and then salt the ground. Fascism? Root them out and destroy their generations. Corporatism? Even worse.


    Here’s my problem with Capitalism …. Because a man can, does not mean he should

    Capitalism is only suited to a people of sufficient moral character.

    Which, by and large, no one is.

  7. Mithrandir says:

    Don’t know if you have ever seen this: Aunt Zeituni Interview

    Angel Adams, 15 kids on welfare: “Somebody needs to pay, for all my children.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=player_embedded

    Any odds that Uncle Omar feels entitled to be in America illegally too?

  8. wirenut says:

    GBJ. You hit it out of the park! Moral character and clarity. It’s being strip-mined by the “Left” to our young.
    Oh! And no religion too! With a small amount of, belief, character and a vision, we can right ourselves.
    No pun intended. Our founders were under the threat of death for which they created. I’m willing to go the extra mile for my future generations.
    Capitalism has no color, no creed, and no mercy. I’ve worked union, selfemployed and everything in between. Only free markets and capitalism has allowed me to move by my skill factor, to the high’s and low’s of my life. At least I had a choice. Check out what the others are selling.

  9. tranquil.night says:

    The Right Scoop: Santorum – Romney’s Super PAC Lying About Me Too

    “I expect that from Barack Obama. I don’t expect that from a Republican running for president.”

    Why does Mitt Romney hate Conservatives and puppies?

  10. tranquil.night says:

    Frank J. Fleming: http://m.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/private_sector_experience_oh_no_c3k8feRv51NGmTGnlxVxAP (via Insty):

    The point is, while Obama was doing this, Romney was rubbing his hands together like Gollum, exclaiming, “Precious, precious money!” And to get that money, he worked hard to trim costs and do whatever else he could to make a business successful. If elected president, he might look on the economy with cold, cynical eyes that judge everything by how profitable it is — as opposed to Obama, who looks at the economy and says, “Yay, look at all this money I can take to help people!”

    That’s not what it inspired him to do as Governor of Mass.

    But there you go.

    Such is the animus against this line of attack it actually is inflating the idea that the guy with the most timid economic plan in the field will be a revolutionary cost cutter and champion of smaller, more efficient government, while obscuring his public record to the contrary.

    That won’t work in the general.

  11. proreason says:

    My my.


    this is worth reading.

    The author says that romney has already talked about contrasting his career at Bain vs obamy’s career as a venture capitalist with Solyndra and as a private equity guy with GM and Chrylser….the underlying point being that obamy wants to do what Bain did/does, just without any expertise whatsoever and using taxpayer money instead of investor’s money.

    If he can do that in a way that would get through to independents, it would be brilliant.

  12. proreason says:

    Sarah Palin said on Hannity last night that if she could vote in SC, she would vote for Ginrich, in order to keep the campaign and vetting process alive.

    Newt ain’t dead yet.

    Of course, that is short of a full-blown endorsement. Even so, it will move the needle in SC in Newt’s favor.

    Dick Morris said that if Newt can win SC, or come VERY close, the race will become a two-man contest with each winning some primaries. If Romney wins, Morris says it is all over. Morris’ reason for saying that each would win some primaries is that after one wins a primary, then there will be buyer’s remorse in the next primary, which could go on for some time, similar to the Carter / Kennedy race in 1980.

  13. tranquil.night says:

    So via Drudge, a Gingrich ex has aparently gone Newklear in an ABC interview: http://drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

    Interview tentatively to air on Monday after South Carolina, with plenty of time for the speculation to run rampant and the seeds of doubt to be sewn

    How long until we hear from the women with whom he had affairs? How long until new women come out? If he places competitively in this week’s primary, then gut tells me not long, my friends.

  14. proreason says:

    McCain’s oppo research file on Romney.


    – he sure has had a lot of liberal positions through the years
    – lot’s of issues for the marxists to grind on. The file has 1,000 times as much information about Romney as the world knows about obamy. And the marxists probably have 10 times as much as this file.
    – not much governing success. Budget increases. Raised taxes. Bad jobs record. MA was not competitive.
    – lot’s of ruthless business practices. The 27 minute film probably used this file as its basis, but there are many more than the 4 questionable deals described in the film
    – In late 2002, Romney described himself as “a progressive-on-social-issues governor of Massachusetts.”
    – He is a smart guy. Graduated as valedictorian of Brigham Young. MBA and law degrees from Harvard. Rose to lead a top consulting company in his 30’s, which is an even greater indication of extraordinary talent.

    The overall impression is that politically, he is an opportunist who will say and/or do anything. Surprised?

    Based on the file, it’s hard to see how Romney is any less vulnerable than other candidates, other than that he seems to be clean on personal matters. But that strength is counter-weighted by the Mormon problem.

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