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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

Here, once again, is our weekend discussion thread.

Please feel free to post your thoughts on the issues of the day in the comments below. But remember to post any specific news items in the ‘News Selected By Our Correspondents’ section in the sidebar.

This article was posted by Steve on Friday, July 22nd, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

39 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. David says:

    Even though these two have always ignored my emails in the past this was cathartic. Sent this to my Senators (Wyden and Merkley). I think I might go pester on Facebook too.


    It is unacceptable for you to vote to kill to the House budget bill so you can have a 3 day weekend!

    It is ok that you don’t think a balanced budget is a good idea or even that this is the best way to accomplish it. But instead of doing your job and debating it on the floor and putting it to a vote you vote to table it when there is no other business for the Senate to be doing right now! This is nothing but cowardice and it proves the intellectual weakness of your convictions if you are unwilling or unable to stand on the floor and debate an actual bill. Are you waiting for a bag of promises which has NO WAY of being written before August 2nd?!

    DO NOT send me some pat email where you lie saying you are doing everything you can. If you are voting to have an extended weekend instead of fixing the budget mess, you are clearly not trying your hardest!

  2. tranquil.night says:

    “They can’t stop the signal, Mal. They can.. never stop.. the signal.” – Mr. Universe

    I know there’s a lot of Firefly/Serenity lovers out there on the net, including Insty.

    These past couple of weeks have been my “Planet Miranda” moment.

    • tranquil.night says:

      GetBackJack posted extremely eye-opening pictures from China’s Ghost Cities.

      Along that vein, this is a report from I think Al’Jazeera on New Ordos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9msCpYbyPs

      Entitled “China’s Empty City: Government Stimulus & Central Planning at Work” (via Koch foundation’s Economic Freedom facebook)

      The reporter notes what was observed by those here at S&L: This is being pursued solely to inflate GDP growth rates.

      As said before too, this is what the Secular Humanists Collectivist Utopia looks like in practice. This is what we’re trying to prevent.

    • Perdido says:

      Isn’t that what the US Gov’t did thru Fannie and Freddie from 2002 through 2007? Phony money, phony GDP and the resulting vacancy and foreclosure rates attest to it.

  3. tranquil.night says:

    Here’s a Talking Points Memo for the 8PMer, who likes to get on TV and rip people and a political movement he doesn’t understand while charading as objective: Can an old pervert settle an alleged sexual harassment lawsuit, probably forking out millions, and then go on to still have the number one cable news show in which he parades himself around as a self-described Culture Warrior and ‘traditionalist’?

    Want to have a discussion over what self-destruction really is? Because it begins with cheapshots at an opponent you’re severely underestimating.

    So go ahead and keep playing with fire, Billy, just don’t come crying to the adults when you get burned.

    • Natural Born Citizen says:

      Pinhead or Patriot? I think Mr Bolder & Fresher just wants another interview with “The Anointed One”. It was quite interesting to hear lots of backpedaling when BHO used him to validate his position on the debt limit. I did not know “Talking Points” actually meant DNC talking points?

  4. tranquil.night says:

    Coburn was on Sean giving us the nice guy routine again. And he is a nice guy, just blind to politics and irreconcilable worldviews.

    His latest cop-out excuse to participating in the ill-timed Go6 release is that it’s impossible to know anyone’s motives.

    I’d like to hear him argue that in a situation where he notices a shifty looking male watching his wife and kids.

    It’s so comfortable to know that we’ve had such perceptive upper statesmen safeguarding our Constitution these past decades. No wonder we’ve been living under such a Golden Age.

    Wasn’t the whole presupposition of the Constitution essentially the friggin belief that people in Government are naturally motivated towards personal power?

    Oh, no, we can’t suppose to know that. That’s just rude and judgmental.

    I sympathize with Michele. These elitists give me migraines too.

    • proreason says:

      For two centuries, congress worked towards establishing civility. There were some really ugly events in the 19th century and because of them, it seems to have been an important goal, for the Senate in particular, to establish congenial rules for conducting business. About 1/2 of Congress typically seems to believe in that tradition and those rules.

      Which of course plays perfectly into the Alinsky playbook.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Outstanding point. Those customs are a respectable and honorable tradition of the Senate. But you’re absolutely right – they’re counter-intuitive if it keeps you from recognizing and reacting to clearly malicious manipulators. It is possible to resolutely stand on your principles with civility – It’s just that any disagreement is uncivil to Leftists by default, and they use that to intimidate and bully.

      Not like you see Dingy Harry or Schmucky respecting the noble customs of the Senate, and they lead the place. Nor do they care.

  5. tranquil.night says:

    Alright, the King’s betrothed lifeline hasn’t just left him at the altar, but isn’t returning his calls.

    He’s got to deal directly with the American People now.

    And whew is he throwing a hissy. Time to go to time-out, Barry.


    We’re still watching you Boehner, and I’m not happy about this non-deal-but-it’s-an-understanding you crafted without releasing the negotiating details to the public, or at least your own caucus. Let it go and let them simmer on this for a bit. Our leaders are surely going to be on the offensive again this weekend, if the Republicans would just back off and see if Ras or someone conducts a CCB poll which helps keep the momentum up, we can sit on this highground for a bit.

  6. proreason says:

    Powerline. Thinking outside the box.


    To start, Steven Heyward channels proreason: “My best guess is that we’re going to see a short-term debt ceiling increase with minor budget cuts passed as a stopgap. In other words, we’re going to kick the cliché down the road again.”

    But the next part, about taxes, is more interesting.

    “government can pay for its expenditures in three and only three ways. It can raise taxes; it can borrow money, which can be paid back only with taxes raised at some future time; or it can print more currency, at which point the rapid inflation cheapens the currency and thus works as an implicit tax on anyone who holds American dollars or any creditor (including creditors of the United States) whose debt is denominated in dollars.

    The implications of this proposition are clear. First, Republicans should treat all three forms of government financing as functional equivalents, and thus push for that deal which, subject to the caveats raised above, works the greatest cut in total expenditures. Following this reasoning, it is better to cut expenditures by $5 trillion over the next decade and raise taxes by $1 trillion over that same period, than it is to cut expenditures by only $3 trillion, without any current tax increase.”

    Verrry interesting. He makes the case that if the cuts are deeper, and outweigh cuts with not taxes, then accepting tax increases is the better option. On the surface, the math works.

    The problem is that the cuts never happen, but the taxes always do. Moreover, he doesn’t look at the problem from the people’s perspective. Nobody in the country is willing to pay more taxes, even if the cuts are greater than the taxes. His argument is an academic exercise that fails in the real world.

    But it’s an interesting viewpoint.

    • tranquil.night says:

      I agree. It’s workable in theory but suffers from all the real world political problems you noted. Focussing on the long-term with Liberals is all but a pointless excersize because they’re looking to subvert any progress we make from the moment it’s achieved. I had the same problem with Coburn’s focus on using the near-term tax increase revenues to eventuallly rework the marginal rates back to Reagan levels. It ain’t gonna happen.

      Here’s the thing about the Tax Reform debate. Our Tax Code is a mess. It’s too complicated. Politicians can talk the average person in circles and drop all sort of good-sounding talking points when they’re in fact advocating for what will likely end up to be more redistributionism. Except the politicians are the only ones who understand how the game works. The people aren’t stupid, Statists and their cronies are devious.

      I don’t think the debate is necessary and am suspicious of their attempts to bring it into the fold at this point. They also want to do things in their plans that are going to impede future efforts at reform (such as when the Conservatives take the field in the near future). We can do Tax Reform better, simpler, and in the context of a public debate that isn’t being rushed by a chief executive who insists on threatening another financial crisis. So IMO it’s another meaty issue to tackle with entitlement reform when we take Washington after 2012. I’m for the repeal of ethanol subsidies and almost sold on the AMT too, but for the remainder of this Congress I think they should honor the No Tax Increase Pledge (even though I see how it was manipulative now in hindsight). Pragmatically I submit that we need to stay focussed on securing as many real cuts on easily winnable issues in the public: discretionary spending, waste, fraud, redundant programs. Sure it’ll just keep the ship afloat until we can get more Repair Crews in, but it’s achievable if we take up issues off which we can form a broad consensus like we did with CCB. Combine that with a continuing push for the repeal of BarryCare as well as a push back against the lies and fearmongering on the Ryan Plan.

  7. GetBackJack says:

    Isn’t that just oh so convenient?

    Napolitano at DHS releases a video describing homegrown white people as the next most likely terrorist problem, and then a thoroughly white Norwegian (I’m told) goes crazy on his own people in Oslo.

    A shocking turn of events

    • tranquil.night says:

      Yes, so we’re told.

      What another awful and likely totally preventable man caused disaster.

      It’s a shame America’s spiritual leadership is again missing at this moment, right as our chief executive seems a little preoccupied in getting his clock cleaned for wreaking havoc on the Country’s financial system.

      I’m sure a speech will be coming forthrightly this weekend lecturing that ideological extremism is getting out of control and Norway reminds us all that we must not pursue paths aside from political compromise. Or else..

    • Perdido says:

      WRT white terrorists from Big Sis, I offer this paraphrased from Rambo: “You won’t b e l i e v e the war they’ll bring you”.
      These Nat’l Security types are nuts.
      The american citizen is a far cry from cave dwelling, 7th century fanatics. McVeigh didn’t get his bomb building skills at university or in the army.

      What she is actually describing is a government ruling absent the will of the governed. Much less the blessing.

    • tranquil.night says:

      I’ve tried to stay out, but there are a lot of shots being fired over the initial speculation on the slaughters, with due merit, since as predicted the nutroots has hopped on “OMG wingnuts r goin violent” narrative.

      Firstly, it struck me from the beginning that this wasn’t the Jihadists because, besides personal instincts relating to other current world events, AQ’s M.O. isn’t explicitly poltical targets. In fact, to my awareness in Europe they haven’t hit any.

      Dan Riehl parses the conflict I think the best from our end, examining the differences between Michelle Malkin’s journalistic professionalism and Jennifer Rubin’s political opportunism is speculating on circumstances: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2011/07/powerlines-weak-defense-of-jennifer-rubin.html

      “This is a sobering reminder for those who think it’s too expensive to wage a war against jihadists.”

      Not only was she wrong, as is often the case with the Left, from whence she originates, she was too quick to capitalize on the deaths of innocents for political gain. Unlike Malkin, she went too far. Of course the Post ordered her to back away from it, as they should have. Now, Fallows may, or may not be precisely what Johnson alleges – I’ve no idea, nor interest in finding out. But by beginning his post by attacking him and either not realizing, or rationalizing away, Rubin’s mistake, Scott’s opting for a weak, misleading partisan defense and not the truth. Rubin’s a big girl and a professional, now. I would hope she can handle honest criticism and maybe even learn something from it… She should own it, which she doesn’t actually do in her follow up, unfortunately.

      Dan is the Carnivorous Conservative for a good reason, heh, but the Literati have had plenty of definitely legitimate criticism of the Democracy Project (NeoCons) going back to their cooperation with Bam on the ruinous Egypt episode and the ongoing Obama non-Doctrine in Libya, as well as the rest of the Arab Summer of Torrent and our generally crap Foreign situation in general. I’m trying to stay pragmatic at this moment; eventually we will have a long chat with this clique (including what I think should be a full review of the Military, Intelligence, and HL-S bureau’s administrative overhead and policies) but at the moment the Ruling Class is looking for any place to drive a political wedge.

      What this gets back to is ethics. There is a Culture of Corruption that is endemic in Washington and our broader political commentariat. They can’t ever look at an issue outside of the sphere of politics, and therefore they turn people off that aren’t totally dedicated and reliant upon Politics in their day-to-day and just find the whole system disingenous. Of course that might be okay if all you’re looking to influence is inside-the-beltway thought and you could really care less what the rubes think, but I think Dan’s post serves as a friendly warning that that you’ll be called on it now. He is right to call Rubin out, as is anyone who sees someone claiming to be a Conservative and representing the brand inappropriately.

      As John Andrews writes@Townhall, we are a Responsibility Movement of limited Constitutional Government values working under the banner of Taxed Enough Already, and we’re out to achieve more than just political change: http://townhall.com/columnists/johnandrews/2011/07/24/responsibility_movement_grows

      Meanwhile, back in Literalville: Parts of the manifesto written by the suspect in Norway’s terrorist attack were taken almost word for word from the writings of ‘Unabomber’ Ted Kaczynski. (via Insty)

  8. tranquil.night says:

    Revisionist History (cont’d):

    I don’t even want to cover this.

    But now Trump is out blah blahing on Greta trying to co-opt populist attention for himself, and I’m just not in the mood to be messed with anymore by the Ruling Class’ every relentless attempt to wedge us.

    Erickson got his interview with him, and part 1 is all I could suffer through: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45030

    While watching it, my thoughts went from “I’m going to send Eric some thoughts” to “!#$%! he steamrolled you.”

    For the record, I was an initial supporter of Trump’s participation in the race, even while calling it a dangerous populist platform of irrelevant self-serving issues, and continue to believe that his calling Obama’s Birth Certificate bluff was of value to the cause.

    Since he exited the campaign field, we’ve all noticed him turd talking the Ryan Plan and engaging in the attempt to build a revised history media narrative of which both the Liberal and Republican establishment and their media are complicit.

    4/28/11: http://sweetness-light.com/archive/selected-news-items-for-apr-23-apr-29#comment-199671

    It would just be nice to get Trump to see the light on the Ryan plan before he bows out, because he’s a megaphone to people that might have similar misperceptions. It would be of political and educational benefit if this whole [mis]adventure can conclude with something of a political conversion on top of the BC victory.

    5/24/11 The NY-26 Hocul v. Corwin upset.

    The Reality: http://sweetness-light.com/archive/fearmongering-dirty-tricks-win-in-ny-race

    Remember all the “soul searching” that went on in the Democrat Party after their historic defeat on every level, national, state and local, in the November 2010 elections? We don’t either.

    Mind you, all of this supposedly elation and soul searching is based upon one tiny election in which the Democrats employed untold sums of outside money and influence and outrageous chicanery. In fact, Jack Davis, who ran as a Tea Party candidate, ran in the last three elections for the same House seat as a Democrat. His entire campaign was geared towards attacking the Republican candidate, Jane Corwin. He went on to receive 9% of the vote. (See below.)

    Without Mr. Davis’ presence the Republican candidate would have won handily, 52% to 47%. Even so, the Democrat did not even win a majority of the votes. But, of course, the news media will hail it as an historic mandate, anyway.

    But the news media will be hail this as an historic mandate, anyway. And it will be held out as a lesson for what the Democrats need to do in 2012. Even though they have been running their stooges as Tea Party supporters to split the Republican vote for some time now.

    – SG the Transcendent

    Trump makes his typical level of astronomically ignorant claims mixed with insufferable narcissism in that interview. The most volcanic of all is the big lie that the Ryan Plan scared all these seniors and lost that election. It was Obama and the Liberals’ lies and fearmongering that frightened seniors in a district where the Mainstream Media sources won’t tell them the truth either, when the Republican leadership wouldn’t take the effort to combat the lies either, so they’re low information. To top it off in that race, there was also the crazy lunatic named Jack Davis running as a Tea Party candidate splitting the vote.

    Like Steve said, it was textbook Dirty Tricks and the Republican Establishment won’t stand up to the Revised History narrative just like they wouldn’t stand up for the substance of the Ryan Plan, just like they wouldn’t even consider Cut, Cap, and Balance, until political pressure was about to roast the Milquetoast.

    “And they can say what they want about over 55 and over 65, the fact of the matter is that even though in theory they’re not affected – they are affected – because their kids are going to be affected, and those are real voters that voted for them who are going to be voting Democratic.” -The Donald

    … *trying to remain tranquil*

    Uh. So to protect their kids and grandkids, they’re going to vote for the people who just put a plan in place that demonstrably robs and is collapsing the system, and against those who’re trying to sustain it without violating promises made to those who have paid into it?

    I’ll take my chances at trying to straighten these misperceptions out, D, rather than just throwing in the towel and slamming the party which I claim to be even more supportive of than the activists working every day to see it to victory, without need or want for recognition.

    If Trump wants to be any positive addition to the national debate, he needs to stop making it about him and start listening to the real facts. We want everybody to embrace the Republican Party and Conservative Principles. But don’t call yourself a Conservative Republican when you obviously aren’t pushing a political agenda of what’s true. We don’t take kindly to those who speak for our brand dishonestly, whether knowingly or not.

  9. tranquil.night says:

    False-Narratives Collapsing (cont’d):

    Professor Jacobson@Legal Insurrection citing John Podhoretz on the Emanuel/Alinsky Rule in play in the Debt Debate, linking back to tactics employed during Stimulus: http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/07/if-nothing-else-obama-does-panic-well/ (h/t Insty)

    Meanwhile Kevin Williamson@NRO: The Democrat Downgrade: Realities and Repercussions (via Insty as well):

    The thing that has not been sufficiently understood, I think, is this: The United States is not on a downgrade watch because the markets fear we won’t raise the debt ceiling in time to avoid a default; the United States is on a downgrade watch because the markets believe the debt-ceiling debate presents the last real opportunity for the government to enact a meaningful fiscal-reform program before it is well and truly too late to avoid a national crisis. The credit agencies, wisely or not, aren’t worried about the short-term political fight leading to an immediate default, but about the near- to medium-term fiscal situation, which is plainly unsustainable.

    Whispers of the truth starting to filter through from the financial community. They know what’s really going on here.

    There is a plan in Limbo currently that covers all the credit rating agencies near term worries and preserves our rating (not to mention takes measures to prevent this from ever happening again by compelling the government to run balanced budgets). it could use the support of some currently intransigent Senators that might listen to you.

    • proreason says:

      I doubt whether the markets are all that concerned about the farsical “debate”. The markets certainly know that the results of real debate will be stated in Nov 2012. Anything that happens now is short-term and relatively inconsequential. No matter what happens, 2013 can reverse it.

      I think the markets are most interested in the polls, if they can find any honest ones. The people’s reaction to the Moron’s lies is the most important thing. Even the idiots Boehner and McConnel are inconsequential in the greater scheme of things, although their repeated blunders give the marxist much greater freedon to lie and cheat than he should have.

  10. tranquil.night says:

    So instead of just sitting back and pressing the Keystone Kiddies to lead from the front for once and present their own damn compromise offer to the public like Doc0 argued, the new talking points from the Kabuki Brothers are “working on new bipartisan legislation/solution;” so they’re all definitely commited to having Cut, Cap and Balance finally buried six feet under instead of holding the ever growing line. Seems like they’re just trying to reset the field and take us through this whole dance again until they find a poltically reasonable cop-out plan they can swindle through Congress real quick or we give up. The latter ain’t gonna happen.


    • tranquil.night says:

      The rush is on to get new deal #5 on the floor “before the Asian markets open on Monday” – so once again our leadership is caving to the false-premises of the regime’s fearmongering, except this time the regime is having their foreign friends control the national domestic policy debate so that they [the regime] can further keep their hands off the fact that they’re holding the market hostage to tax increases, a pattern of behavior that many others were beginning to notice too.

      Nothing has changed in terms of substance; the pre-arranged $800b tax-increase deal that emerged from this past week is just being split into a CR of spending cuts first following which he either gets bi-partisan cover or forces his caucus to break the no tax pledge to ram through the second phase of the deal.


      “Again, Boehner has already offered ‘revenues’ — up to $800 billion over ten years, through tax reform that flattens the code somewhat, lowering rates while eliminating a series of deductions, and most importantly broadening the tax base.”

      All talking points which I’ve explained ad nauseum sound good in theory and principle but are meaningless and potentially deceptive without a national discussion on actual specific legislation. Tax Reform and the types of Entitlement Reforms that the Ruling Class is haggling over were thrust into this conversation suddenly and shadily, again amidst an air of crisis, and without the People’s right to let their voice be heard on the issues in due fashion being respected.

      These are complex topics being thrown into the mix at crisis time so that those who are throwing them out there can frame and push the narrative they want to create without a chance to be disputed and effectively resisted. That’s the only reason why this is still going on, we know they know it, and we know they’re desperately looking for a way out of it while still getting what they want.

      So, just to redraw the line in the sand: we’re not going to be dictated to on what a “good deal” is supposed to look like.

    • proreason says:

      The idea of Boner making “a deal” is terrifying. Amazingly, there is actually talk of giving up the home mortgage deduction. Just the fact that there is a rumor about it is amazing enough. Supposedly, they are willing to trade that (and other tax deductions) for lower top brackets. What do you think that will do to the housing market? Clue: think about the Titanic.

      I’m now to the point where I think the best outcome is just to extend the debt ceiling with nothing else attached.

      We are far better off to wait until 2013 to do anything. These people have gone stupid into the dangerous category.

      These idiots will give away the store in return for a thumb in the eye. They couldn’t hit a single against a Little Leaguer.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      The definition of a good deal is where both parties think they screwed the other guy.

      My other point is that when people get in a hurry, nothing good ever comes of it. And they are feeling a false pressure to “do something”. Mostly this is due to democrat neglect over the past couple of years and failure to pass a budget at all, let alone the tactic of stall, obfuscate and lie about it. So, this and other ploys are forcing the republicans to “own it” when in the muddy ether of the media world, they just make it easier to blame them.

      It’s all absolutely juvenile, especially when people for several years were completely unaware that the democrats controlled everything? Not that I want to play the blame game but, seriously…..when you witness the guy setting fire to your house and then you have the balls to try to blame the fire department for not showing up sooner?

      I’m completely fed up with our system. No adults…and with the LSM, the republicans are being screwed over again and again. CC&B is needed….spending must be cut in all social welfare programs and all the other BS that politicians think get them re-elected (which is why they are such sacred cows) and taxes need to be lowered. I suppose the mechanisms that cause people to think in terms other than reality are fascinating to discuss but I have neither the time nor the inclination to do so when it comes to politicians. They are used car salesmen who think that saying a thing makes it true, or by “bending the truth” changes the “optics”, etc etc etc. Word twisting and lying is best left to an infomercial, you jerks.

      There is a clear and obvious course that is required and screw the president. Let him veto any bill that his childish fantasies don’t indulge. He needs to be taken to the woodshed as do the majority of democrats who think it’s “business as usual” and shrug it off when voting to take more of my money for their toys and re-election plans.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Along these lines, Rick Moran in AT reports on what congress is now doing.


      The Examiner:

      House Republicans are finishing work on a new proposal to resolve the standoff over the debt ceiling. The proposal, set to be finished and crafted into the form of a bill by Sunday, will be in two parts. The first will combine a short-term increase in the debt ceiling with spending cuts. The second will lay the groundwork for a longer-term increase in the debt ceiling coupled with far-reaching deficit reduction.

      “Senator Reid said on Friday that he is going to wait for us to move,” says a well-informed GOP House aide. “So we’ll move.” Another well-informed aide confirmed the basic outline of what’s happening.

      Staff of the House Rules Committee is involved in the work, which is an indication that the process is nearing completion. Before any bill can be considered on the House floor, the Rules Committee must first pass a rule setting out the process for its consideration. Once the proposal is finished, it would likely be posted on the Rules Committee website, probably no later than Monday, so the committee could meet to consider it on Tuesday and it could be on the House floor by Wednesday.

      Moran continues with the very essence of this plan: “Then it’s Obama’s turn. He will be under enormous pressure to sign it since the looming deadline means there’s no more time for serious negotiations. If he signs, he shows himself to be a cardboard cutout of a president by not keeping his word to veto. If he vetoes, the entire onus for the debt ceiling fiasco falls on his shoulders.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Holding off on making any more judgments until seeing the two-tier plan. If the CR is just a false-front around which they perform some kabuki theatre while with a wink and a nod cutting the real turd sandwich for eating in a few short weeks to a month following, we’re onto it.

      But it could be that Boehner is looking for a way to place all the pressure on Democrats – knowing full well that if backed into a corner by a what conventional wisdom says to be a ‘reasonable offer’, where the tough choice were actually put on them, that their party would damn near implode. I don’t see as much advantage in moving forward with what should’ve been the failsafe to the ultimate rejection of CCB closer to Aug 2, and especially not with linking it to this murky $800b revenue compromise. But it might just be so that Boehner can say that he’s been more than reasonable at risk to his own career, knowing full well that the Democrats are going to go nuclear on eachother.

      The ol’ tightrope. If that’s what’s up, then I’ll be grabbing the popcorn and watching the second round of fireworks this July. For now I can’t speculate, which might be a good sign, because it might mean he has his head in the game. Or it might mean he’s pulling one over on all of us again.

    • proreason says:

      Why do we have a carload of clowns making “deals” with the future of our country and our children?

      Why does one side have anything “to hide” from the other side.

      The answer, of course, is that all of the clowns are contemptuous of the American people. They couldn’t care frigging less what Americans want. They only care about their own nests and their own egos. Let’s review.

      1. in 2008, by creating a financial panic and disguising their agenda, the marxists won an election.
      2. immediately they rushed their extreme and hated agenda through the congress with their ill-gotten majorites.
      3. immediately after that the American people recoiled in horror at what they had foolishly done.
      4. in 2010, the people spoke thunderously. In the House, the repudiation of the marxists was one of the greatest political events in American history The results in the Senate were similar. Unfortunately, by the quirk of how the Senate is elected, only 1/3 of Senators were up for reelection, so the Marxists retained control. If the whole Senate had stood for re-election, the American people would control that house as well.
      5. Every poll is consistent, even the ones that are contorted by the marxist propaganda ministry. Americans want the government spending to stop NOW. They DO NOT want taxes to be raised. It isn’t quite as clear about the debt ceiling, but clearly, the people are concerned about what might happen if the ceiling is not raised.

      What can the problem possibly be? The voice of the people resoundingly inststs that government spending stop, that taxes not be raised, and that a reasonable accomodation be made about the debt ceiling (although approaches on the latter vary).

      Rhetorical question, of course.

      Marxists and their naive Ruling Class allies rule in opposition to the people’s wishes, not in response to the people’s wishes.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Inside chatter via Erickson:

      House Republican in Leadership on the Two-Tier Plan: It’s “Sh#!”

      One of the ways they’ll claim they are cutting $1 trillion is by pretending the Iraq and Afghan wars no longer exist. They’ll also do another deficit commission.

      There have been 17 such deficit commissions in the past 30 years. The net result? Taxes have gone up with just about each one and spending has never actually been reduced. We’ve gone from $1 trillion in national debt to $14 trillion.

      Also, the GOP leadership seems to want another debt ceiling vote before the election. This would be political suicide for the GOP. They’d vote to increase the debt ceiling and Barack Obama would get a definite PR win by looking bipartisan right before an election.

      Never let the opportunity for a potentially well-timed crisis go to waste.

      Nextly, the inevitable conclusion we keep coming back too: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/24/the-stupid-party/

      Yeah, we need better generals. This is stupidity.

      That’s assuming ours are even fighting for the same cause with which to begin, good sir.

      And: A Plea to the Roughriders to continue to hold strong.

  11. tranquil.night says:

    Monte Kuligowski@AT takes on the mosque-banning issue, another one I’d rather not have to keep reading about, unfortunately brought into the debate by Herman Cain: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/herman_cain_got_it_right_on_the_right_to_ban_mosques.html

    His argument is Consitutional Law, States’ Rights, and the Incorporation Doctrine centering on the Establishment and Free Excersize Clauses of the 14th Amendment. This seems to be a legal feud with a very long and sore history.

    And it’s not without merit:

    In short, that’s how “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” morphed into “local school districts everywhere shall cease in their time-honored religious traditions and exercises.”

    Regardless, after all the huff and puff, he gets to the meat of it:

    So, did Herman Cain get it right?

    Probably not if you believe the U.S. Supreme Court has power to amend the Constitution without the amendment process. And if you believe that central control over the states via turning the Bill of Rights on its head is valid, then Herman Cain is outrageously out of touch.

    But if you believe that we must set aside decades of illegal precedent and get back to the actual Constitution and the system that made America great, then, absolutely, the Hermanator nailed it.

    The Supreme Court did what it did, no matter how shady the process or the precedent that’s grown from it since. It is Federal Law and there is a process to reverse it, even though the process is unreliable without massive effort. Herman Cain is wrong.

    But being a legal argument, it completely misses the ethical point of the issue: is it right to allow States and localities to ban specific religious worship sites? Have proponents for the repeal of the Free Excersize clause ever stopped to think about the precedent they would set from a reverse side? If you can ban one groups’ church, then what’s stopping them from swamping another town – or creating their own – and banning all churches not like them? Perhaps the law does need structural review, but do we really want to return to a time where regional demographics – thus politics – are influenced so greatly by Theology?

    Besides, Cain’s legal point was that the Islamic worldview vis-a-vis it’s unbreakable bond with Sharia Law is incompatible with our political system, a point that has slightly more weight, but not much. What’s funny about it is that it presupposes the fact that our political system is in fact, secular and to be kept seperated from Theology, yet it’s being cited to advance the solution that the Law can be employed to favor the rights to practice certain Theology over others, invariably leading to cultural results which will have a similiar blending influence on the political system as what it’s being cited to prevent (yes, even if the difference is that the Theological values are ‘more’ virtuous). Look at the problems in culturally ‘tolerant’ yet socially segregated Europe. I submit such a similar legal precedent would tear us apart faster than divisions in political ideology do. It’s not as if we can ban worship at the House of Gaia and their doctrine of Global Warming either.

    I consider this to be a completely seperate issue as well from, say, a locality’s right to use zoning laws to honor popular will to preserve places of significant and personal cultural value to the city however, such as the Ground Zero Mosque case, where debris landed around that whole circumference of the area and destroyed the St. Nicolas Greek Orthodox Church, which has not been (and I think will not be) rebuilt.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Dueling arguments from the American Thinker on Racial Nationalism and Identity Politics –

      Bucks County, PA, District Attorney/Iraq War Vet Dean Malik: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/identity_politics_the_denial_of_american_exceptionalism.html

      First time Blogger to AT and editor of “Middle American News” Jerry Woodruff: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/sam_francis_and_white_nationalism.html

      The point of contention is “racial consciousness” which is the most miserable notion about which I’ve ever had the misfortune of learning.

      Malik’s piece is exceptional, IMHO. Meanwhile, here is some of Woodruff’s response:

      Racial consciousness means that we add recognition of biological and racial factors to our traditional concepts of human nature.

      Firstly there is no difference in Biology between those of different skin tones other than that one ethnic group carries more melanin in their cells. Homo Sapiens remain the least genetically diverse (youngest) non-domesticated species in the animal kingdom, while being the most socially and cognitively diverse and dynamic – to an exceptionally extreme degree.

      Nextly, the racial factors that entitle African-Americans to racial consciousness amount to the fact that they are a people who had been enslaved and governed in their History based solely on their skin tone. No, this doesn’t make Black Supremacy/Nationalism any more intelectually honest than White, Red, Brown, Zionist, or whatever.

      Biological changes aren’t determined over time by skin color, you jackass, but by your environment. Thus why Europeans, seperated by greatly differing geographical ecosystems, developed unique cultures and slightly varied Biological profiles (i.e. the very tall, pale, blondish, individualistic Norseman and the smaller in build, more socially collective Mediterraneans).

      The third reason for white racial consciousness is ‘to correct the political and legal order…. This political effort would involve a radical dismantling of all affirmative action and civil right legislation as well as a good part of the federal governmental superstructure that entrenches minority power. It would also require recovering an understanding of constitutional law that permits local and state governments to govern and private institutions to function independently of government.’

      Those are not the arguments of a white nationalist, but of a conservative for whom race matters.

      No, it’s the wishful thinking of a spiteful megalomaniac fantasizing in writing about using the Left’s Constitutionally destructive legal insurrection from the 60’s era as an opportunity to reinstate a degree of racial segregation in a cultural fashion, if not outright politically.

      This is archaic, ideological extremism that has never been or ever will be Conservative or American.

      I don’t know how many of these idiots there really are out there – I pray very few – but this thinking belongs in the ash-heap of History with all the other wretched lies that somehow find a way to manifest into belief systems which divide and destroy people along the most stupid of superficial lines. I don’t even believe Woodruff is legit but a Ruling Class poser-operative.

      Contributors to Middle American News include Patrick J. Buchanan, Phyllis Schlafly, Ann Coulter, Chilton Williamson, and the late Samuel Francis among others.

      So, Ann, been throwing your chips into Paleo-Con rags while honest-to-goodness tireless bloggers work on financial fumes to report the cutting edge of real and relevant issues, I see?

      A quick personal:

      Thanks to the internet I’ve been able to research my ancestry, and I study as much about everyone who came before me as I can find. I like to know their stories, what they faced, what they overcame and learned if I can gleam it. It’s how I honor my family’s memory, keep me grounded in reality that’s it’s all bigger than me, and try to learn to preempt problems in my life. Some chose good paths, some chose bad. Some had a serious Leftist worldview and all in-between.

      So let’s see.. I’m Polish/Norwegian/Swedish/Croatian/Irish/Scottish and.. oh look at that.. part Indonesian.. part-African American.. and part-Native American in my not-too-distant heritage! I summon strength, insight and wisdom from all of these historical corners of my genetic map.

      For I am an Echo Boomer. A Millenial. An Indigo Child. And a Conservative American who if you were to try and identify with one single label, it’d be described simply as: “Lover of Life and Creation.” For the Dream of a better tomorrow for the children and grandchildren of people from all around the world has been realized in at least one soul, who despite apparently not being ‘of the common blood,’ loves his country so much he’d spill his uncommon blood to defend it. I am so grateful for the individual sacrifices each one of my forebearers made in the Novelty chain to allow this point on the Timewave to come to be, as grateful as I am to the forefathers of this nation who ended up building out of calamity such a wonderous, advanced, and peaceful (at the time) land to which I awoke and was allowed to pursue fulfillment within, and yet it pains me greatly that the peace and happiness I’ve found (and I’m by no means rich, quite the opposite lol) is still so rare.

      So that is my story and why I’m happy to be standing shield-to-shield with all you honest and loving patriots in defense of our Country’s future in the 11th Hour.

      Steve, you have my eternal thanks for this platform. I know I need to put money where my mouth is after all these months and years, I do apologize and will see to it.

      My friends: To Victory.

  12. tranquil.night says:

    Luba Sindler, Soviet emigrant and Tea Party activist, writing@AT: The Difficulties of Learning to Speak American

    Secondly, coming from a country with no tradition of political discourse, people are not exactly adroit in using the right language. Every time you offer an opinion chances are good that you’ll hit a sacred cow. You don’t really understand why this particular cow is sacred while some others are not, but the queasy feeling persists, and conversation goes nowhere. Remember the old phrase “two countries divided by common language”? It’s a perfect description of thousand of conversations between new immigrants and American-born citizens. They use the same terms but mean different things. It’s not very conducive to mutual understanding.

    Sounds like what we call political correctness. We’ve been at this cultural precipice for quite awhile. Effectively, we have been “Two Americas” (maybe even more?) in that respect. But it’s not too late to change that paradigm either.

    Our message is going to inevitably triumph – because it has been honed by millions of voices from the bottom-up oriented arena of ideas, rather than dictated and controlled from the top-down ivory towers and castles. As has been noted, all the energy is with Conservatism right now; the narrative of the revitalized American worldview is becoming too dynamic for them to suppress with Mass Media alone. Large swaths of their reliable dependents are waking up to how manipulated they’ve been, politically speaking.

    We’ll continue that trend with the same level of engagement and passion to win their imaginations over to the idea that by having the courage to take a greater level of individual responsibility to manage your own actions instead of out-sourcing them to government, it actually results in a much greater capacity for personal freedom – economic freedom, psychological freedom, physical freedom -especially thanks to the capitalist healthcare system in miraculous time – intellectual freedom, yes even emotional freedom.. not the emotional tyranny you trap yourself in by hyper-obsessing over fads or superficial relationships. I think that’s a great cultural message Mrs. Sindler has picked up on because it brings to mind all the ways the hyper-Left is looking to dictate their vision as well, and that we can combat it in a way that is both apolitical while tying our cultural principles all back to the foundation of our political message.

    There’s been reports lately that the youth vote is in play, followed by the predictable shrill cry from the pundits of “Conservatives can get them if they drop the social issuez!!1” No. There’s no need to shut up political discourse anywhere. Instead of trying to play the game on the old, broke political field of pledges and caucuses, we’re on a new field of grassroots PACs and the New Media. Social issues advocates are going to evolve through new levels of social engagement just as the Tea Party is evolving. Sarah Palin is an innovator through that prism. So those wedges of conventional wisdom that the Establishment loves to drive between teh Social Kkkons and everyone else in the Repubs are going to fade over time too. Even though we’ll probably rarely agree on most things at a political level, neither the Conservative or Liberal cultural worldview are not totally irreconcilable with one another, though definitely a lot of it is at odds. What’s most important because it will be the most effective to this end is to do our best to reverse their dependency on the State, get out there and start taking care of themselves with jobs that generate actual revenue.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      She, and you both have good points. But to me, it’s excruciatingly simple. From the day I was accused of racism for using the word “renegged”, it has been my contention that if you cannot understand what I say, then the fault is entirely your own. I refuse to use politically correct terms in my everyday speech. I call things as I see them and yes, to most of my fellow countrymen, they find that in and of itself, offensive. But I insist it’s not me with the problem, it’s them. Being the only sane man in the asylum has few perks but at the end of the day I can live with myself. I found that in my younger years, trying to stay “with it” and use the words and sentence structure of my….uh….”peers”, pathetic though it was, made me disastrously dissatisfied with what I wanted to say. So I went back to “speaking Texan” and unless my opinion was asked for, I kept silent. When asked for my input, they got the unvarnished truth, although sprinkled with, “I intend no offense and I understand how some people feel but…..”. It has served me well.

      Most recently however, I have run into elitists who choose instead to cherry-pick my own words and take them out of context and use them for their own benefit. This is one of the problems of proletariat-instilled “correct-speak” and it’s both pervasive and flawed. It also advertises the lack of character of the listener in big, bright neon lights. Again, the problem is not with me although several of the elitists “peers” would testify to the contrary. However if push comes to shove and I ask them, “Do you remember what else I said where that one phrase you pulled came from?” I always get the blinking eyes and sound of crickets and then I remind them of the WHOLE sentence or statement and remind them that I cannot be responsible for what they THINK I meant….I can only be responsible for what I meant and used adequate words to that effect. In other words a way of calling them stupid without actually saying it.

      I also had the so-and-so dead-to-rights because after I made the complete statement on the day in question I asked the very person who accused me, “Is that right B–? Would you agree to that?” and he replied, “Oh, absolutely.”

      This kind of thing goes on from the smallest to the tallest and creates problems and again, I blame a couple of things. One, our “education system” where actual WORK to LEARN never seems to take place because the teachers would rather be popular with their students than actually get them to LEARN. They seem to think that being well-liked is more conducive to the learning process when, in fact, it’s really not the issue. I had teachers I liked and teachers I didn’t but I learned from all of them.

      Second, I blame the malleability of people’s perceptions along with their inability to, once again, think on their feet. For the black kid who got all bent out of shape when I said “renegged” …well….sucks to be him. He’s probably still living in a self-created hell of ignorance but has also chosen to surround himself with like-“thinking” bipeds who are angry at whitey and have a template of what racism is and are constantly on-guard looking for it. I guarantee they find it; And probably in the most unusual of places.

      But the individual in question, not wanting to appear ignorant, chooses instead to find a way to be comfortable inside that ignorance rather than work to find a way out of it like, say, READING A BOOK or two. To say that all people have same potential is a crock of crap. But, I have met people from very humble roots who can work wonders and I have also met many others from wealth who couldn’t wet their pants if you told them how. Willful ignorance is an equal-opportunity employer. However it does appear to be easier to be ignorant-rich than ignorant-poor.

      Then there’s just plain stupid. If you do something out of ignorance, that’s generally excusable. If you do the same dumb thing twice, now you are certifiably stupid and deserve the Darwin accolades that you’ll find on the internet. Ignorance is repairable but, as they say, “You can’t fix stupid”. And willful ignorance is stupidity coupled with arrogance. Along with all that comes the things that the stupid people choose to believe and repeat. I have had opportunities to shut people up with documented evidence of something that was contrary to what they believed and found that it does not ever serve to enlighten. It only angers the person who got corrected which is the third part of the problem:

      Ego damage. People nowadays lack the humility that our grandparents once had. That is, the ability to realize they don’t know everything and that they are wrong and instead of getting angry at the person correcting them, they should rightfully be at least a little annoyed at their own mistake and accept that which has been presented as the truth, regardless of how it was presented. I find socialists very lacking in this area and RINO’s almost equally so. Telling Pelosi it’s raining when she believes it’s not is tantamount to her wishing you were beheaded and your head placed on a pike. Yes, that kind of arrogance.

      So, I gave up, pretty much. Let them believe what they want and eventually, it will all go kablooie and although you will never get any apologies out of it, you will receive a lot of the blame for it. I once had a commander in the USAF who played it that way, telling me my cautions to him were “very negative thinking” and when my predictions came true, as I knew they would, he soundly beat me and crucified me for making it happen. Eventually I got tired of that and just said, “Yes sir, you are always right, sir.”.

      But it’s not just a feature of socialists, though they seem to be the best at it. It’s very much a part of our culture. Using the methodology in Shepard’s “In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash” regarding “A Christmas Story”, at the flagpole daring Flick to stick his tongue to the subzero steel vertical object in question, “the exact nuance and phrase” is something left to speculation but correcting someone is never heard in conversation anymore. Polite conversation never seems to involve peaceable arguments. That is, unless it’s amongst critical-thinking friends who know how to do this. But more and more, it’s kind of like listening to Obama…throwing accusations and remarks of dismissal with no solid foundation as to why.

      In other words, childish banter rather than a productive, thought-provoking intellectual pursuit of ideas.

      Well, I’ve gone on long enough. I should probably write a book about this stuff as it does seem to intrigue me. Mostly though, I just find it annoying.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Absolutely Rusty, I love the recount of your experiences. Your method to approching the drones, zombies, etc, is similar to mine, the conclusion being that the problem is too endemic in society at this point to be managed in any micro sense, and you’re going to just turn them more spiteful if all you do is get in their face with it.

      Dr.’s Paterno and Loudon@BigGovernment write on the psychological impulses of Denial, Regression, Repression, and Projection, all halmarks of how Liberal’s deal with Conservatives who confront them with reasoned arguments that contradict their beliefs: http://biggovernment.com/dapaterno/2011/07/24/policology-101-probing-the-propensity-of-progressives-to-prefer-political-projection/

      Each truly dedicated Lib has their own personal History for being a Lib and with minimal statistical exceptions there’s little anybody can do to change their worldview. Even hitting absolute Rock Bottom seems iffy to stimulate a conversion. As much as we’d love to sit down with King Barry at a nice fireside in which we don’t leave the room until we’ve rationally debated every overarching philosophical disagreement and he emerges an American Patriot, we have better odds at reaching Mars in 30 years under our new Statist overlords.

      You definitely nailed the fact that the important thing to remember is that a lot of their bad ideas and perceptions come from their teachers and other personal and cultural influences (mass media!!) That’s why the hope is that as part of this broader national Re-Awakening those who do have the patience to stand up to the false-cultural narratives of the Left will do so, whether it be through clarity in their activism on the political ‘social’ issues, challenging cultural norms through the new media, or through creative new ways of bringing American ideas and values back into mainstream markets, like Two if by Tea for instance (which is like Liquid Independence from Thirst during these Hellish Summer torrents, I swear)!

  13. Petronius says:

    The move to safe havens is starting.

    Commodity markets have opened in Asia and gold is up $22, about 1.3% and gaining. Silver and platinum also rising.

    The US dollar is falling. The Swiss franc is rising strong against the dollar. The yen and euro are also rising against the dollar.

    The Asian stock markets open in about one hour. US stock futures are falling.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Hang tough and don’t give into fear or panic, GoP. They are going to hit you and the American People with everything they’ve got. Hold the line against the initial wave of fearmongering and facts can prevail here. We are the one’s doing everything in our power to stop this. We are the Peaceful Knights! They are the ones who can but won’t. They’re only going to make it worse.

  14. tranquil.night says:

    If there has ever been a time for leadership from our end, this is it. If there is anybody out there that is willing to take our case to the world, that America will honor its debts and the process underway is in fact the greatest sign yet that the American people have the will to reign in their Government’s spending, this week is that time.

    If there’s a General out there willing to go out, try and reassure the markets that the people have in fact embraced a steady, non-draconian path back to sound fiscal footing, that it’s our political class and in particular the Democrats preventing such a course no matter how much our leadership and own Senators try and appease them, and that they can have confidence that what’s beginning here is a long road to recovery which will be greatly accelerated in 2013, then you can run away with the Republican nomination and the election.

    • proreason says:

      Not to worry. We have at last selected the organizers of the junior high annual carnival. Boner will handle entertainment. Mitch will arrange the chaperones.

      The only problem is that after the gala is over they will be negotiating the fate of the free world.

  15. tranquil.night says:

    Interesting case as a Harvard Researcher and Virginian Hactivist have released thousands upon thousands of pages of research documents from the Ivory Tower:

    http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/38112/?p1=A3&a=f (via Insty)

    “This knowledge belongs to the public” [Maxwell] argues.

    “Progress comes from making connections between others’ discoveries, from extending them, and then from telling people.”

    I think this is a good premise for a broader conversation and understanding between Libertarians and Conservatives. Aside from the Foreign Policy issues, I get the perception that Conservatives are wary of Libertarians’ perceived moral ambiguity and Libertarians are wary of some Conservatives who claim Ethical superiority by professing limited government Constitutionalism, and then get suckered into abandoning it in favor of using the Law for either ‘Compassionate’ Statism, regulating speech or breaching privacy too far, also because they fall for some dumb lie from politicians like “it’s for the kids.”

    As an advocate for the Open Network, I’m also a firm believer in the right to have private as well as propreitary networks.

    Greg Maxwell’s latter assertion is true in principle. The former is certainly idealistic, however it is factually incorrect. In the case of business and/or research, it can take [significant] financial investment to acquire knowledge. Intellectual property is still property with value; what’s great about the open network of ideas in particular though is that supply goes way up, therefore the businesses which once held near monopoly strangleholds over the certain intellectual markets now are forced to adapt their model to lower market value of their information. Not that the knowledge is any less valuable – but because the cost of learning it vastly decreases. As Insty chronicles, the ‘Higher Education Bubble’ is collapsing under the weight of this paradigm. It’s okay – what it means is the University’s will finally become more efficient, if not more specialized in particular disciplines especially as more nuanced and varied competition – online general ed and certificate classes, etc – continue to fill the void. In the end, the new advances in knowledge and research that are going to still be truly marketable are those which are truly remarkable, but at the same time I would wager that you would still see an explosion in new academic breakthroughs because of it.

    Getting back to the meat of this, it comes to this:

    “I think there’s a lot of room for online protest,” says Mark Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, D.C., “but that doesn’t mean that what people do online, even with good intentions, may not cause harm to others.”

    Again, this is about redefining a common ethic, non-secular, as there’s no need to make it a matter of Theology when virtue can still be summoned without it for the cause around which we’ve rallied. It’s something that I’m strongly hoping our coalition will bring clarity to when we reign triumphant over Washington. Can we at the very least agree that our belief is in the value of the rule of law? And if the rule of law needs to be examined, we can work together and come up with the best solution to do that too which will benefit us all?

    • tranquil.night says:

      Professor Larry Ribstein writing at Truth on the Market (via Insty) continues this First Ammendment conversation with brilliant thoughts on the policy implications of the bar’s continued practice of regulating and litigating based on the “Unauthorized Practice of Law,” citing his previous analysis of the case against Legalzoom.com, a legal self-help firm.

      I am not knowledgeable of all the statutes and rulings, but he does a good job of making the complex relevant while reasoning his case:

      The political and market pressure to deregulate and thereby lower the costs of legal services may make this regulation a particularly inviting target for First Amendment claims. In contrast with Citizens United, a case on the constitutionality of unauthorized practice could be portrayed not as big corporations against the little guy, but as the little guy against a powerful entrenched interest group of greedy lawyers. This could make the claim a useful lever to bring down large chunks of regulation of truthful commercial speech.

      It’s exciting and vindicating to see such talent reaching the open network. In 2013, we’re going to have a host of wizards that would make absolutely fantastic Attorney Generals, and they’re going to have their work cut out for them trying to clean up all the poop Eric Holder smeared on the walls redecorating it into the Department of Social Justice. I say Levin certainly needs consideration. Certainly if a whole coaltion of lawyers from inside and outside the beltway were to unite with the Tea party behind the cause of legal and ethics reform across the spectrum, wonders could be worked when the opportunities presented themselves. No better time than the present.

  16. tranquil.night says:

    The broader mission of collapsing the House of Horrors/Games/Cards (choose your metaphor at this point) continues.

    Even though legislatively there has been no movement currently, and poltically our leadership continues to compell us to have to take the long road in pushing our case, on just about all other apolitical fronts there has been significant progress. The Ruling Class has all but abandoned their strategists and are purely trying to react and get ahead of us now, and they’re making mistake after mistake in that process.

    We must press on.

    Engage the Business & Trade Class Social Democrats, Moderates, and Independents with the facts about Obama’s economic failure and those of the big government welfare state? Check.

    Engage the Libertarians on Ethics verse Morality, Common Law, and Civil Rights? Check.

    Now the next chapter in my personal saga to try and cut-down or co-opt the Humanist Worldview at its philosophical roots, and accelerate the return of Americanism:

    Wherein I Boldy Attempt to Emancipate the Socialist and Environmentalist Ideologies from the Fascist State, in the Name of Truth, Justice, and the American Way

    First, the Envirofascists, because they’re easiest, and their dreams as they relate to the Socialist Statist Utopia were effectively one of the earliest casualties dating back to the ClimateGate release; although the true believers still bitterly cling with more and more derangement. To recapture the dreams of this Fallen movement, but through the prism of Conservatism, one has to draw the distinction between scientific fact, scientific theory, and religious belief – as has been done ad infinitum. Then you lead the Democratic debate to seperate the Enviro from the Fascist by reminding people that in this Country just because some malcontent scraped his way to the reins of Federal Power doesn’t give him the right to use the power of the State to start dictating economic and environmental regulatory policy based solely on his flawed personal belief system, no matter how much he believes and threatens Armaggedon is just around the corner if we don’t do what he wants.

    It can’t be said enough that Conservatives love and want to preserve their natural environment with responsible regulatory policy, and that energy companies are the leaders in the cooperative effort to do so. Nor is it wrong to want to pursue and realize alternative energy. We can’t be compelled to fund it through the State though. That just fills the pork trough up for all those would-be crony’s waiting to sell their soul to get cozy with and shortcut around regulators, or get a piece of Uncle Sam’s checkbook with which they can build a windmill farm that only ever works at 40% capacity and falls apart weekly when it chews up a bird. Liberal Environmentalism is a clear paradox in practice, heightened only more by the irony that when Liberals are in power society slowly starts changing into an eventually very extreme game of survival of the fittest.

    Moving onto Socialism, this gets a bit more complicated, as it comes in several forms. And that’s why it is a weak ideology which is ripe for assimilating into the American worldview.

    – Scientific Socialism (Moral Relativism) must be identified as malfunctioning code and patched out of the system.
    – State Socialism is inherently corrupt. Like in Envirofascism, the tyranny of the mob or the mob of the tyrant end up being who decide what is moral, instead of stewarding the practice of an unbiased rule of law.

    That leaves two other aspects to Socialism that are redeemable:

    – Social Democrats:

    It’s my belief that the bulk of the current Democrat Party still aren’t true leftists, even though without real work to communicate to them they’ll buy anything Obama does to demagogue our attempts to shrink the Social Welfare State. That is why we address their concerns about our reform plan with an ethical narrative. We communicate that we understand that they’ve been made promises by people who in government that never intended to keep them, or care what happned to the programs they brought to life after they were gone – and that we intend to keep those promises while offering choices and alternatives to people that don’t want to be compelled into a fundamentally poor vehicle for providing a service.

    – Market Socialists

    This is where I think Socialism actually has some potential for real beauty: as an insitutionally privatized ideology in practice that functions with intellectual independence from the idea that they need the State to compell people to fund the creation of their personal utopian visions. Want to run a business where your employees work under Socialist policies? If you have a marketably competitive product and employees voluntarily willing to contract with you under those terms, why not?

    The point has been made before: the US Military is Nationalist Socialist and designed to function in such respects.

    When King Barry says it is your patriotic duty to share the sacrifice by paying more taxes if you make over $250k, he is trying to thread the needle between Nationalist Socialism and Marxist Socialism.

    Most non-profit religious social charities – essentially Market Socialism – and they work. They work because the people who operate them believe in their cause enough to make the extra personal sacrifice to work in that non-traditional environment. They find that type of service more of a calling than just a career, and just the opportunity to do it to the best of their ability brings them joy. It’s wonderful. As an American you have the right to choose to pursue as much or little physical wealth as you desire because America does not assign a value to your existence that is correlated to or seeks to identify you solely through your income level. The Progressive Income tax bracket system only solidified a corrupt notion in our Rule of Law that people can and should be grouped and seperated depending on how much personal success they’ve achieved. It gave the Ruling Class a long-running narrative with which they disincentivized ambition.

    I’d say that the grassroots New Media is faily Socialist, especially on the Conservative side, as they freely share their ideas, resources and labor in pursuit of the greater collective cause of seeing this Country’s founding principles restored in society. It’s actually Liberals who seem by trend to be the type of rapacious capitalists at whom they snarl; they just dress their greed up with the narcissistic sense that their pursuits are more noble.

    In conclusion, Socialism is not incompatible with Americanism so long as the Socialists can be taught to seperate their impulses to carry their social and economic model into the public system, and rather respect the American Consitutional System of limited government defined by it’s clear Rule of Law.

    If all of these disparate ideological demographic groups of utopian ‘true believers’ supporting the bulk of the Liberal coaltion can learn that their good intentions have been manipulated by a very small, very virulent group of selifish individuals coming from several private and public institutions, then they can learn to integrate their Socially Collectivist culture under the umbrella of American Capitalism. If we can get to a point where societally our interests and beliefs are being pitted against eachother less, and instead we are working and cooperating in the private sector more, to generate real revenue and progress for the Country instead of sapping it, we’ll be able to work not just magic, but miracles.

    Know why I love EPIC MEAL TIME?

    A true Liberal sees it and is disgusted by what they think is a gross display of self indulgence, barbarism, and cultural decay.

    A true Conservative watches it and loves to see youths representing heritages that only two decades ago were at opposite ends of an iron curtain from one another, and yet now are united by their love to come up with their own culinary inventions and creatively distribute the recordings of the pursuit of their pasttime until they actually had developed a marginally marketable small business brand. It is possible to achieve self-sufficiency if you dare to take risks intelligently. Wisdom like that isn’t supposed to be reserved for only specific groups of people.

    You decide which one is more enlightened.

    The only cost of Freedom is that you carry the banner of our Flag along the journey to actualizing these talents – that you use them to contribute to the betterment of mankind rather than grow slothfully dependent on the State and its shadowy, multi-tiered Technocracies to manage all your affairs and those of others.

    Can you feel it? A New Dawn Rising. Another morning in America is coming.

    Now.. Bring Me the Horizon.

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