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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, March 9th, 2012. Comments are currently closed.

32 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. tranquil.night says:

    Except for the fact that Mittsy can’t articulate the Conservative argument much beyond a platitude level and has to be pressured to the right at every point, he’s actually running as a pretty solid Conservative. I’m being serious too. Every week he seems to do something that addresses one of the main criticisms against him. More just keep popping up, but that’s how it’s going to be if Mitt ends up the nominee, and we’re just going to have to continue to make the environment such where his promises have to be kept. The Republican Establishment and the maturing Tea Party establishment are going to continue to joust moving forward into this election and future issues. Maybe some day the Republican Establishment will stop trying to subvert the Conservatives, putting them in a competitive posture, and become honest partners, whereby both will then become stronger.

    • tranquil.night says:

      That last sentence was my own bit of Utopian wish-casting. As if the institutional Republican Party, defined by much longer periods of its history by either joining the Progressives or its own ventures into the expansion of federal authority, market tampering and cronyism rather than limited government forces, the party which even today seems to never fail in their uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on legislative matters of cutting back government and spending – as if they were truly interested in sharing power with Conservatives.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      TN, “moderate” republican sounds so much more cool than “conservative”. Gosh, conservatism went out when Leave It To Beaver went off the air…wayyyyy back in the 60’s when it was determined (for us) that hip language and bell-bottom jeans and long hair were cool and that family values, going to church and paying your bills was “squaresville, man”.

      I was sick of it then in very short order and I’m even more sick of it now. I have a cousin in SoCal who is the same age as me. He thinks my wearing Wrangler Jeans and the large belt buckle is a sign of some alien life-form. He’s ‘totally hip’ (at 50+) has no money, trying to run a business that he pays little attention to, spent his youth as a ‘surfer dude’ and thinks he has the answer for everything, but is really just a snarky, know-it-all a-hole. This is what we’re up against. This is the person the “moderate” republican is trying to attract.

      I ask, “Why? To what end does that serve? Who’s to benefit from that?” 50-year old children should be left to fend for themselves. Being ‘moderate’ is to cool what wearing a raincoat is to a swim-party. You end up looking like a dork every time. Everyone is just going to make fun of you and you only end up standing out for all the wrong reasons.

    • tranquil.night says:

      You’re right Rusty, and thank you for reminding me as this is what I persistently forget about moderates. They truly fear that we cannot win without that 20% who aren’t going to vote on the basis of anything more than optical reasons. Saying you’re the guy who can “work with both sides” is part of the poll-approved methodology, even though logically it can’t compute. The calculation is that the low-information voters aren’t going to understand the argument, only that Conservatives are portrayed to appear as the hyper-aggressors.

      This mentality has so thoroughly overtaken SoCal (and the entire State), I block it out myself now. It’s very easy, almost inevitable, that you take a cynical political outlook on traditional conservatism if you live in Liberal strongholds like the Northeast or the Left Coast. Fortunately, San Diego has a pretty decent base of hold-outs determined to preserve an oasis of sanity out here in this dying paradise. But.. being practically the last hold-out with Orange County, which is being overrun, and the Central Valley, which was overrun, it’s an all out assault. They’ve practically opened the borders on us.

      So what do these erudite socially Liberal/ moderate Republicans in the Silicon Valley do after they’ve helped the enviro-Marxists completely obliterate once the world’s 6th largest economy and the tax pressures actually start to cut into their bottom line from an imminently insolvent social welfare state without the voting population to enforce a course correction. Why they try to buy power, drop hefty millions, run the textbook moderate campaign in a wave Republican year, only to see Meg Whitman get shellacked. So they’re bailing the state, heh.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      “So they’re bailing the state, heh.”

      Yup, and places like Texas aren’t finding them all that pleasant to deal with.

      Oddly, I just bought an expensive item off of an eBay seller and he sent me the wrong item. He was nice enough but the thing that grated me was his e-mail that said, “it happens”. Like, o-kay, dude…fer sher. Yuh-huh. Yes, he set about to make it right but that “it happens” attitude made me pretty sure I don’t want to buy anything from him again.

      Yes, the ones who see the handwriting on the wall are leaving, not realizing they were complicit in all that “evolution” where they demanded the state take more and more taxes to “help the poor” and all those drug rehab programs. So, as I’ve said to other people, they move somewhere like Texas, or, decide that a “nice rural state” would be a nice change and then they bitch because of the lack of sidewalks, streetlights, traffic control devices, school lunch programs, etc etc etc…and then they run for local office and make a path to ruin it for everyone. They attract like-thinkers and followers who weren’t raised there, have no real stake there except their desire to make it like LA used to be when they were a kid. But they always miss very wide of the mark, because what has really changed is the mindset, not the setting. “I, me, mine” has replaced everything and also that ridiculous meme that we must all look out for one another. Boy, have they bastardized that.

      The older guys sit back and watch, nudge each other in the sides because they know and they’ve probably seen it before or heard about it from their “city-slicker” cousin. But they don’t care because they will be gone soon enough and have no desire to try to change the mind of some self-righteous do-gooder who wouldn’t listen anyway.

    • tranquil.night says:

      “He was nice enough but the thing that grated me was his e-mail that said, ‘it happens.’ Like, o-kay, dude…fer sher. Yuh-huh.”

      LOL Uh oh, you definitely know about what you’re talking.

      Yeah, if the primary actually stays relevant until California, and Mitt Romney came here and dropped that very line in an attempt to connect, I’d probably lapse into Bro mode and vote for him before realizing what happened.

  2. tranquil.night says:

    This is a taste of what I was referring to Rusty about: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/mar/08/campaign-slams-regional-water-district/?page=2#article


    Metropolitan Water District is one of the largest water consortium’s in the country, overseeing distribution to much of Southern California from mainly it’s primary water sources, the Colorado River and California Aqueducts. San Diego county represents the largest bloc of member agencies and I believe consumers in MWD. The San Diego County Water Authority and MWD have a long history of daggerpoints and intra-necine politics.

    However the degree to which MWD’s governance has been corrupted and is allegedly being run outside the bounds of public transparency is well.. it’s text-book Statism. LA has it’s members organized in their coordinated voting blocs, where they all cover eachothers asses and conspire to stick it to San Diego by supporting policy like shutting off the bay delta pump, to reduce supplies and hike rates, and redistribute the rate-payer revenue to themselves. They literally call themselves a secret society, an anti-San Diego order, or something, and it isn’t just confined to public water of course. They all nest together, it’s incestuous they emulate one another when one comes up with an innovative new way to scam the system, then they circle the wagons around one another when the public picks up on it. The media are in the full tank carrying MWD’s water.

  3. Tater Salad says:

    Does anyone see the correlation here?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFI5gu_Vx20 – “I want something which is paid for by someone else for this entitlement” !!!

    http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=69038 – Yet another entitlement mandate wanted by the liberal/progressive Party of Food Stamps. Paid for by …………someone else!

    • GetBackJack says:

      Why of course not, you right-wing conspiracy nut. Move along citizen, nothing to see ere …

  4. tranquil.night says:

    I’ve refrained mostly from linking to items related to the effort to pushback for Rush, but it’s great that Tom Blumer at Newsbusters commented on this monologue from Friday: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/03/09/rush-there-shellshock-campaign-marginalize-him-hasnt-worked-and-has-back

    There is shellshock on the left. They thought this was the time. This was the gonna be that moment when they finally succeeded. Right now they’re sitting out there in stunned confusion trying to figure out why it hasn’t happened, why am I still here.

    That link is h/t to Insty, who’s been awesome on this front. Everybody has. Prof. Jacobson, the HA and RS crews, Stacy McCain, even Ace. It’s been very heartening. The confluence of events of the past couple of weeks have sparked something in Conservatives, and the Left should be crapping itself about now. Social issues were supposed to be nuclear suicide for the right, but Obama’s still polling a loss to Romney and Santorum now?

    Oh they’ll regroup, triple down, and concoct some new scheme, but don’t forget what’s happened here.

    Conservatives united can fight back against The Narrative. And they can win.

  5. Tater Salad says:

    The attached video provides some insight to America into a typical Barack Obama supporter who has completely NO concept of what a free market, free society and capitalist system is all about. This person is what the Democratic Party prays on for their support and votes by providing “entitlements” to them, paid for by someone else who is working. This is what the conservative people of America are “up against” ………….Free Loaders! How many do you know?

    1. http://www.therealrevo.com/blog/?p=54356#comment-73859

    2. http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/this-is-where-we-are-spending-our-tax-dollars/

    3. http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=55931

    4. Here is a video of a future Democratic voter. Congresswoman Maxine Waters would be proud of this kid. Since Barack Obama has said that Republicans need to “get to the rear of the bus”, He would also support this kid and his vocabulary.

    5. This video shows what Public Union teachers produce. These kids in this video support Barack Obama. Need more be said? http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-video-of-teens-failing-miserably-at-a-civics-quiz-is-so-depressing-its-funny/

    6. Video: http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=68014

  6. Melly says:

    Santorum has conceded that he can’t win a majority of the delegates to the Republican National Convention outright.

    In a strategy memo pushing back on Mitt Romney’s narrative that it will take an “act of God” to deny him the nomination, advisor John Yob argued that they have a strategy to win — at a contested convention.

    Majority Needed for Romney, Not for Santorum
    Mitt Romney must have a majority on the first ballot in order to win the nomination because he will perform worse on subsequent ballots as grassroots conservative delegates decide to back the more conservative candidate. Subsequently, Santorum only needs to be relatively close on the initial ballot in order to win on a later ballot as Romney’s support erodes.

    The memo, to be distributed today, indicates that the Santorum campaign seems more concerned with arguing that Romney will not win a majority of delegates to the Republican National Convention, rather than making the case for why he will. Indeed, the over-2,000-word memo only addresses the possibility of Santorum reaching a majority in its final paragraph, and only as a throw-away.


    According to the Business Insider: We’ve been saying this ever since Super Tuesday, but at least there is some sign that the Santorum campaign is grappling with this reality.

    There are a couple problems with this strategy for Santorum.

    1) Ron Paul is already pursuing something like it, counting on state conventions and other internal GOP events to grant him more delegates than his share of the popular vote allows. And Paul’s campaign is more organized than Santorum and has been pushing this strategy for months longer.

    2) It assumes that political forces, like the rest of the Republican party, will just allow Santorum to destroy the presumptive nominee on the tiniest hope that after breaking the Republican convention into pieces Santorum can reassemble it himself.

    3) It also assumes that Santorum is going to continue scoring embarrassing victories against Romney. But polls show Romney is already starting to close the gap in Alabama and Mississippi.


    See Santorum memo here:


    • canary says:

      Mitt Romney’s narrative that it will take an “act of God”

      Shocking, prideful, vein, scary, non-Christian arrogance from a former leader preacher of the Mormon church.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Peace and joy to Mittens on his 65th birthday, but not best of electoral fortunes. As much as it might help Santorum’s prospects while in advantageous territory, Newt’s not getting out. As much as Team Mitt wants to wrap this up, the others are in it tooth and nail. The math given current circumstances is what is. We’ll see. I think the process continues to be healthy. Voters are getting a say in the primary that is often wrapped up early. Enthusiasm remains high, Mitt has improved his competitiveness against Obama even as the establishment has gotten nervous over how right he’s going, the vetting continues and the campaign message for the general is honed.

    • canary says:

      oops. I left out half the sentence to explain my post of Mitt’s

      “Mitt Romney’s narrative that it will take an “act of God” to deny him the nomination”

    • canary says:

      Schools can’t find anything with a happy ending or a functional healthy poem or novel film all year. Everything is sex, incest, molestation, suicide, murder, violence, spouses shooting and killing, cheating,
      essays that are depressing. I am in no way exaggerating, I am very serious. And I don’t even know the slang some of the teachers use with the students. A principal that sends notes “make me hunt you down” to be cool. I think teachers are around kids so much, they begin to act like them.

      Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
      We people on the pavement looked at him:
      He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
      Clean flavored, and imperially slim.

      And he was always quietly arrayed,
      And he was always human when he talked;
      But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
      “Good-morning,” and he glittered when he walked.

      And he was rich – yes, richer than a king –
      And admirably schooled in every grace:
      In fine, we thought that he was everything
      To make us wish that we were in his place.

      So on we worked, and waited for the light,
      And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
      And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
      Went home and put a bullet through his head.

  7. Anonymoose says:


    We know why the Justice Department is objecting to this; trying to turn the reddest state in the Union Blue. But trying to to follow the logic of Perez gives me a headache. If he’s convinced the law is somehow against Hispanics, why is it also a problem the state hasn’t supplied any demographics of low income, I.D.-less voters to “show” it wasn’t discriminatory? If he doesn’t have this statistic then how does he know a Hispanic registered voter is “120%” more likely not have an I.D.? It’s somehow all up to the state to show the statistics for him.

    Even more convoluted, while the law accepts other I.D.’s such as a citizenship certificate or a state offers election identification certificate, Perez says “the documents are not free, and it creates the additional burden of traveling to a driver’s license office, undergoing an application process that includes fingerprinting and finding supporting documentation to prove one’s identity.”

    My goodness! How hard is it to get an ID? Even better: “Using Census data, the Justice Department argued that the law creates an undue hardship on Hispanic populations that don’t have the means to get a vehicle, live extremely far from a driver’s license office or can’t make it during the offices’ limited operating hours.”

    You mean it’s to much of a burden to spend a little money or time for something the rest of us pretty much need to function in society? Try boarding a plane, getting job, or driving a car without some sort of I.D. The law itself is pretty broad:


    Even letting people get exempted for disabilities or if they have a problem being photographed. But the thing I’d really like to ask Perez is, if these voters can’t be bothered in the least for any form of I.D., how can he prove they’ve registered to vote or will show up on election day? They don’t even have a license, but they’re going to run down to vote?

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      So, how do they do their banking? How do they get their prescriptions? How do they collect welfare? Yes, even welfare and unemployment offices require ID. How do they get their liquor? Most places I go to “card” their customers even if they look old enough or beyond the suspicion of being underage.

      And on and on and on. It is pretty reasonable to assume that a person in this nation without some form of legitimate ID is doing their best to “operate under the radar”. In South Carolina, if you have no ID at all and are stopped by the police for anything, they usually haul you in. Not a policy I’m real keen on but they do it nonetheless. Doesn’t have to be a driving offense.

      The obvious answer is that if you don’t have ID then you are probably up to something illegal. The left is trying to skew that legitimate argument into something that has no legs. If you want to drive a car in any state, you have to get a license…I guess that’s somehow “racist” or “against the poor”. If you’re black, brown, white, yellow, green, you have to pay to get a license. Gee, everyone pays the same…not some people get FREE driver’s licenses. If you want to board an airliner, you need to present a government-issued ID, I guess that’s also somehow “racist” and “against the poor” as well.

      Sadly, media, such as it is, filled with the bleeding heart liberals who think that “people are honest all the time (except republicans and conservatives) and they would NEVER, ever cheat in an election and vote more than once, or…*gasp* even try to vote if they weren’t a citizen.” But by the same token, those illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote, right? After all they need representation too, like, right?

      The cover is off yet another national socialist lie and they really need all the help they can get in terms of cheating, illegal electioneering, and ballot-box stuffing. I present my ID AND my voter registration card in SC when I vote and I’m glad to do it. They compare against a list and then let me proceed. If someone who really wants to vote and doesn’t have an ID…they would do everything they could think of to get one, one would assume.

      But then, that’s for people living in the real world, not the emotional vomit that the national socialists use to get us all at each others’ throats.

    • tranquil.night says:

      You’re right. That’s an incredibly weak legal rationalization even for the regime. It’s hard to see how it doesn’t get thrown out, but cynicism suggests the point might be just to halt the law and tie it up during the election. I really wonder how much Democrats are pulling in illegal resident votes with how much they’ve been screeching over these state Voter ID Laws.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      “hardship on Hispanic populations that don’t have the means to get a vehicle, live extremely far from a driver’s license office or can’t make it during the offices’ limited operating hours.”

      This is “the dog ate my homework” argument. It’s full of holes. As a single person who lives alone, I need to do what I need to do to get to the DMV when my job conflicts with my need to renew my license. It’s one of those facts of life. I’m pretty sure that Herve’, or Masquel, or Jesus can figure out a way to get to the DMV if they can figure out how to get to the party on Saturday night.

      To get a state ID, you need….1) a birth certificate 2)proof of residency in said state such as a utility bill that has your name on it 3) a valid social security card. There are also other combinations and in my state, if you can’t meet those requirements, no ID for you! It’s that simple.

      Therefore, it’s not transportation issues, or distance from the place issues, or “operating hours” issues…it’s the issue of “I’m not here legally and don’t have a social security card and my birth certificate is in Juarez.” But the fruit-loop left is grasping at straws. I would think that the number of people in this nation who DON’T vote are also the same number who don’t want to vote and the ones who DO want to vote who live here illegally do so anyway.

      Isn’t that the “barrus in cella”?

  8. Anonymoose says:



    And a two-fer today. At one time gays didn’t want anyone to know their preference now they’re wanting to be counted (and no doubt they’ll keep insisting every public institution will have to match the mythical and made up 10% figure of the population.)

    Two things get me. One is anyone in the California education system even daring to speak out about how we don’t need yet another class for preferential treatment–proof common sense isn’t all dead in what was once a great state.

    The other is “…..asking judges if they’re gay or transgender will “provide us with a better picture of who they are, where they’ve come from, what they’re experience is and what they bring to the bench.” Wait–you mean it *matters* if a judge is gay or transgender or bisexual or queer or whatever? I thought it didn’t matter if the judge who overturned Prop. 8 was gay himself, it was on the merits of the case, yada, yada, but now it *does*? How hypocritical can you get?

    • canary says:

      Do you think all the sexual perverted, sexually violence, sexual deviant, that a teacher for instance is teaching 6 hours a day, rape, a ripped off left breast flapping in the wind of the dead whore. the more graphic and explicit material could be taking a hold on the teachers.
      Would if thinking & talking about sex all day with students making them think of sex all the time at school is also turning teachers into sexual criminal activity?

    • tranquil.night says:

      Canary, I think the cultural depravity and obsession with sexuality and sexual identity play facilitating roles, sure. But sadly I think evil would find its way to fruit even in the hypothetical perfect world.

      What it really comes down to for me is that in one of the cases at least there may have been actionable intelligence that resulted in the pedophile being switched schools rather than reported to authorities. I’m kinda just wondering when the Liberal’s and their media are going to scream bloody murder that LAUSD and the union shelters and enables child-predators like how was portrayed the Catholic Church.

  9. canary says:

    More of Mitt’s personality and fame game like Obama.


    Newt sure gave a good speech in Alabama blasting Obama on oil. This needs to be kept up, because Obama has been down right lying about the oil issue. Obama is doing a lot of out and out intentional lying.

    • canary says:

      “Spending a lot of time on the road means you have to carry good music — here are some of my favorites,” Romney tweeted, with a link to his Spotify …

      Mitt’s also telling his favorite movie, etc.

      I suggest Mitt turn his bleeping music off, and get educated about the facts to be able to beat Obama.
      Mitt learn how to debate Obama. I think Mitt should turn his music off and focus on being an educated
      aware President.

  10. canary says:

    oh more arrogance from Mitt it will take a miracle from God for the other to beat him. This is wasted media time.

    Though Mitt knows he’s going to win, he continues to spend moments bashing fellow candidates. Since he knows he’s won, why isn’t he now focusing on exposing Obama.

    • artboyusa says:

      “Mitt knows he’s going to win…”. Really? That’s more than I know, since I think he’s going to get clubbed harder than a baby seal on a Canadian ice floe but hey, let’s hope I’m wrong. Wouldn’t put money on it, though.

  11. artboyusa says:

    “I stand with Rush Limbaugh” it says up at the top, although to judge by the accompanying graphic “I” is a very tiny person. Me, I don’t stand with anybody but I also believe in freedom of speech, even when I don’t agree with the speech being spoken and even for opionated blowhards, in fact especially for opionated blowhards. I also don’t like libs doing their usual schtick of trundling out that shrill and simulated outrage to shut down the other side of the debate so okay, Rush; I’m reluctantly with you too.

  12. canary says:

    How’s Mitt’s challenge to God going?

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