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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

Here, once again, is our weekend discussion thread.

Please feel free to post your thoughts on the issues of the day in the comments below. But remember to post any specific news items in the ‘News Selected By Our Correspondents’ section in the sidebar.

This article was posted by Steve on Saturday, July 30th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

42 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. BannedbytheTaliban says:

    About the debt ceiling, first, I’m tired of hearing the word compromise come from Obama and Reid. Everybody with half a brain knows neither of them know the real definition of the word since never, in recorded history has either conceded a single thing to another point of view. They define comprise as the GOP giving up and doing what the Democrats tell them. Second, the GOP has a messaging problem. The cut, cap, and balance bill is comprise. Basically, spending will be lowered from 23-24% of GDP, or whatever it is currently, to 19% of GDP, with the promise that it will be paid for. This means there will have to be a change in the tax code because tax receipts are currently around 15% of GDP. This would be a perfect time to change the tax code since it will be known approximately how much money is needed each year. Add a flat tax, or better the Fair Tax, and abolish the IRS, more savings.

  2. tranquil.night says:

    Boehner’s late addition of the BBA into his bill was exactly what he should’ve done from the first moment if he’d wanted to avoid his caucus’ great ire.

    But that fight is over now. The House Republicans have now passed 2 compromise bills that show an excruciating effort to work with Democrats, who still haven’t shown the public a plan, or a willingness but to play politics with it.

    The BBA is stupidly popular with the public, especially in the weaker language formatting this version is in. Yet Senator Hobbit Hater thinks 75 percent of Americans live in bizarro world (not to mention the 20 Senate Dems who’ve voted for it before).

    Sounds like more typical Ruling Class drivel. Keep showin’ us those stripes RINOs. We can see now that you aren’t principled in any way other than as to serve as a bulwark against letting the Conservative narrative prevail in the court of public opinion. No loyalty to the substance of the debate, no real interest in it unless it can be used to your advantage.

    Remember: every Republican voted for CCB, but 6 of them voted against Boehner’s CCB lite.

  3. tranquil.night says:

    It’s actually even better that none of the presidential candidates have gotten too directly involved in this situation. It could’ve ended up threatening their campaign as well as the strength of the effort put for the by the grassroots to send their message to Washington. Now instead of unilaterally torching a single candidate for political opportunism, they’re left trying to torch great swaths of people who’re just concerned citizens outraged by Washington’s out-of-touchiness.

    In other words they cannot use their typical strategy of Identity Politics + Alinsky tactics. Instead they have to try and demonize an entire philosophy. And so it just randomly comes to happen that like McVeigh showed up out of nowhere at the start of the Clinton scandal, another nut shows up to shoot Norway and the harpies start calling us terrorists. Not inferring anything, just stating the facts as I see them.

  4. tranquil.night says:

    Dan Riehl covers a small skirmish between Rep.’s West and McCotter and some media ignoramuses trying to get the Tea Party to turn on West: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2011/07/a-note-to-reps-mccotter-and-west.html

    To sum up, no we’re not primarying West, he’s an outstanding Congressman and it is possible to have a civil disagreement. Plus, while West is certainly not a RINO, there certainly are such creatures. Nor should it matter if they call us Hobbits. It’s insight to their own insufferable arrogance, they shouldn’t hide who they are!

    Also, Rubio owned the floor today. Magnificently.

    • tranquil.night says:

      When beltway “Conservatives” start calling the Tea Party the same big names over small issues and trying to drive the same wedges between us that MBM apparatchiks do, that’s how you know a memo went out from the Republican Establishment to launch the political attack.

      In this episode, Riehl takes on Jennifer Rubin, WaPo’s “Conservative” collumnist, who called us extremists yesterday and obstructionists today. Dan has always thought Rubin is nothing more than a closet Lib who masked herself by parroting the Establishment’s domestic talking points while also becoming one of the “Neo-Cons” of the Democracy Project which continues in all it’s splendor with the Libyan War and the Sharia Summer going down in the Middle East.



      Tell us, Jenn, do you ever have an original thought of your own, or does the McCain camp aka Republican establishment dictate all of your columns for you? We’ll still love you, we just want to know!!!!

      Neo-Cons, SoCons, all of these labels are created by the Establishment to manage people. In the end, most of the legislative action they sponsor is just pure bureaucracy and regulatory building Statism. I just saw the other day that the House is being fooled by a bill called “Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011.”

      It has very little to actually do with that of course. It mandates basically every internet ISP, independent website, service, and social networking site to hold onto your internet History for 18 months to be accessed by the government. This is the Ruling Class at their worst, and I have a feeling that if people who describe themselves as in the “Social/NeoCon” camp were to have it explained that their values and intentions are purposefully being manipulated by the State which isn’t being forthright about what it’s trying to do in the name of Security, then they’d be outraged.

      I’m linking info on this bill to the DailyKos kiddies, not because it’s worth your time to visit that fetid swamp, but because on occasion even the likes of the ACLU and uber-Left get glimpses into the fact that their representatives aren’t “principled Progressives” either but simple, lying, Ruling Class Statists.



      Lamar Alexander (R)
      Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (D)
      Sheila Jackson-Lee (D)

  5. proreason says:

    This is about what we should have anticipated all along. A pretend bill that allows each side to claim victory. Of course, the Democrat proclamations will be publicized as a triumph for humanity and evidence of the boy king’s astonishing genius. The Republicans will get no credit from the make believe media, and will be portrayed as squabbling children.


    – “Cuts” of 2.4T (tbd, of course by the “super-congress”). Note, these aren’t really cuts, they are reductions in increases. “Cuts” is the Washington-speak shell game to trick the rubes.
    – A vote on the BBA
    – two traunches, so the Marxist in Chief has to take a second bite of the apple, after which the House will reject it and the Moron will veto the rejection

    Now, let’s be real:
    – there will be no cuts, even using Washington-speak. The “cuts” will be accounting tricks.
    – the BBA vote has some value, since it would get Democrats on record as opposing the BBA. For this reason, it will be excluded from the final bill
    – there is some value in making the Moron take two bites of the apple. But, of course, the media will either ignore it or position it as the Republicans trying to steal Christmas

    So, this “compromise” really does virtually nothing.

    Unfortunately, it won’t get any better, so it will pass in a watered down form.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Yeah, it’s still a turd, but the tide isn’t going to completely roll back with one vote. This was a great effort that legislatively I guess might be called a stalemate, but politically is a win for us.

      Yes, the MBM will carry the water as usual to make the Dems look liken the big heroes in all this but they’ll just continue to look like idiots. All they did for the past few weeks is sit on the side and lob vile insults while not even showing the country their plan. I’ve been gauging Independents, especially normally low-information voters, through this and when all they see is a unified chorus of Democrats calling the Tea Party terrorists because they insist on a vote for a Balanced Budget Amendment; people start recognizing just how out of touch these cretins are to everyday life outside-the-beltway. And if the BBA gets voted down by all these Senators who voted for it before, that is ammo for our campaign, even knowing the MBM will ignore it.

      I’m also not as reluctant now about the new spending cut committee. From what I’ve seen, if legislation doesn’t get adopted from the recommendations by a certain point, then across the board cuts go into play. That’s not good for Defense, but it’s a better trigger for leverage than having to use the debt ceiling again. They still won’t be able to do nothing, so we ARE going to have another major debate about the continued size and scope of government in this Congress, and we are going to come out as strongly if they try and pull one over on us again there, too.

      Stay optimistic. It was a greater show by the Tea Party than I even expected, personally, I know it’s easy to get cynical with what we’re facing. But so many people are proud of the Tea Party for holding the Republican’s feet to the fire and not letting them cave from the start. People whose voices you aren’t going to hear on any major public forum.

    • tranquil.night says:

      John Bolton is worried about Defense cuts potentially being negotiated as a trigger. Absolutely, having the BBA sent to the States as a failsafe is much better than across the board cuts, but If I remember, he was one to lecture us the other day for taking too hard a line on Boehner. Funny how one’s perspective changes when it’s their central interests in play, isn’t it? Not to be too critical of Bolton, he’s fantastic in his field and hopefully a future member of the all-stars running Washington in 2013.

      (via Hotair):

      Every indication is that the debt-ceiling negotiations are leaving the defense budget in grave jeopardy. By exposing critical defense programs to disproportionate cuts as part of the “trigger mechanism,” there is a clear risk that key defense programs will be hollowed out.

      While the trigger mechanism comes into play only if the Congressional negotiators fail to reach agreement on the second phase of spending cuts, it verges on catastrophe to take such a national security risk.

      Defense has already taken hugely disproportionate cuts under President Obama, and there is simply no basis for expanding those cuts further. Republican negotiators must hold the line, since the Obama Administration plainly will not.

    • proreason says:

      There is some merit in the argument that getting the issue front and center is a good thing.

      It depends on whether you think likely voters who are independents can process the data and sift through the lies.

      Polling seems to indicate yes, for the moment. But get back to me in a month, after Pravda has finished the publicity tour for their novel about what happened.

      Personally, I’m still pissed that the first thing out of every Republicans mouth is not “Obama and the Democrats have added 5 tillion in debt and we have nothing for it.”

    • tranquil.night says:

      Here’s John Podhoretz writing at Commentary Magazine on the “Containment” versus “Rollback” paradigm, and he argues I believe accurately that the only realistic objective at this point was solid containment and the conceptual shift in Washington that had yet to happen even after the election.


      My problem with his argument is that the Republican leadership did not pursue a Containment strategy but a capitulation one at first. Big time. My other problem is that we’re not facing off against the Soviets. We can’t just wait for America to self-destruct.

      They have big problems with their messaging, as you point out Pro, they’re either afraid to state facts that so definitively illustrate how much Obama has failed, or they have no interest in saying it and thus giving the poor President who just can’t cut a break any more political headaches.

      They also have big problems with negotiating, which were pointed out over this theater, and started showing signs of becoming stronger. But that could’ve been a ruse too.

      The tactical differences within the party would be acceptable if we felt the Party leadership were respecting those disagreements. Instead, when our representatives voiced them, they were threatened to be gerrymandered out of office. Then the Establishment sent their own cronies out – and even got some of our own – to go trash us publicly. Absolutely unacceptable.

      What’s going to piss me off this week when all these idiots in Washington lock arms together and say they came together to do what’s right for the country. The only reason it’s where we’re at today is because of the courageous patriots who dared to hold the line until a glimmer of reason could start to prevail. They did so while being called terrorists by their own government.

    • proreason says:

      Good article by Podhoretz, tn. Thanks for linking it. I read it with a bad attitude, based on your comments, but came out largely in agreement.

      Probably, because I’m in the Containment camp he advocated for. You would be in the Rollback camp, which isn’t a bad place to be and the more principled spot.

      I think his analogy is questionable, as you say, because Big Spenders are not going to self destruct, but in the end, I think it holds weight. For one thing, the US, without the marxists, is not on the brink of self immolation. They are pushing us there very quickly, and I think that failure to win the Presidency and Senate in 2012 will pretty much assure their victory, but that ELECTION, not this debt “debate” is the critical decision point. That has been my main contention all along. The recent “debate” isn’t Normany or Stalingrad, it’s more like the battle of North Africa or Sicily. In both of those battles, the allies hadn’t yet built the assets necessary to win the war. Similarly, with the Senate and potus held by the marxists and other criminals, there was simply no way we were going to win a stunning victory on the debt ceiling issue.

      I’m happy to hear Podz say that it is a big victory. I think it’s much less, but like hearing a more optimistic view. He isn’t the most idealogical guy in the room, sticking mostly to economic analysis, so for me, his assessment seems significant.

      For readers who don’t want to read him, essentially he says that we are on the brink of passing some legislation that signals a major change in direction, and that is the most we could have hoped for.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Heh, my apologies if I skewed John’s piece. It clarified a lot for me too on how to proceed.

      I’m definitely of the rollback mentality (without militant force obviously) lol, but reality is reality. We don’t have the voting bloc to achieve our most ambitious rollbacks, like ObamaCare.

      What I’m hoping to see more from the Republican Leadership is aggressive containment of the Democrats lies/talking points/false narratives. Up until the last minute of this debate the Establishment seems to have wanted to contain is the Tea Party. Even if they can’t repeal ObamaCare, they have to keep making their case. They have to keep these facts fresh, like the 5T in wasted debt, the BarryCare waivers until after the election, as well as all it’s new taxes.

      The Left does not want to be contained. The more we do so, they’ll either become even more radicalized, or they’ll begrudgingly start to come along with us for the ride, knowing that it’s their only chance at any political relevancy in the future.

      If we can do more than contain them legislatively but also politically, then we’ll have set our side up for victory in the final 2012 showdown.

      Also, in my response to McCain calling us Hobbits, I declared this the battle of Helm’s Deep, not the final battle. Washington is the place full of hyper-dramatic Fatalists, heh, like Nancy “We’re literally trying to save every life on this planet (except those that IPAB decides don’t get to live anymore)” Pelosi.

      This was us just getting warmed up, and everybody did an amazing job, from the New Media wizards, to our Knights in the air, our cavalry Senators, right down to every Tea Party shield that held the line!

    • tranquil.night says:

      I’ve done a complete an utter 180 on the new debt committee again, after refreshing myself on the arguments Erickson has made: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/31/see-we-told-you-so/

      What’s basically going to happen is the committee is going to demand tax increases, and when the Tea Party refuses to go along, they’ll be responsible for the automatic cuts to seniors and Soldiers. It’s basically the threat they’re using now, except they’re setting us up to be the absolute fall guys this time.

      A BBA is a much better trigger, it also would be more politically popular, yet I doubt we’ll see either side of the establishment push it.

    • proreason says:

      “when the Tea Party refuses to go along, they’ll be responsible for the automatic cuts to seniors and Soldiers.”

      good catch.

      sounds about right though.

      I like to imagine there was a time in this country, long before Saul Alinsky of course, when the people who went to Washington were not criminals.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Ace doesn’t like the sound of the committee theater either:

      So Democrats continue dictating the terms of “negotiation.” Furthermore, Republicans are simply trading an early capitulation for one closer to the elections, which doesn’t even make sense to me.

      And: I am still hearing nothing at all about a bill to dictate the procedure and priority of bill-paying in the event of a shutdown — something that could greatly increase the Republicans’ leverage in such an event.

      But they don’t even want to seem to want the leverage, because they don’t even want to contemplate that option.

      Indeed, the grassroots has been making that point from the beginning. Michele Bachmann and the Conservatives have bills ready to pay all essentials unless the Dems get serious, but the Republican Establishment didn’t seem to want to take the “We’re going to default and no one’s getting paid” panic card off the table no matter how many times we told them we had the power to not make that the case. Doesn’t it come off as odd that they wouldn’t take the opportunity to clear up such a lie? Doesn’t it come off as odd that the Ruling Class has been essentially hoping for a market panic to force the Republicans to cave? It shouldn’t. It’s not unexpected to the people who’ve been studying their behavior and know better.

      That fact – that they haven’t and won’t confront the Democrat’s fear mongering despite all rationality – is a big reason why I believe our leaders are more concerned about taking care of their Washington friends than seeing genuine, non-crony growth in the private sector.

      I’m not going to advocate for an overthrow of Team Establishment right after the GoP probably put forth it’s strongest effort on behalf of Conservatism in years if not decades (thanks solely to the Tea Party). But the leadership is exposed and we are well aware of the trap we are being walked into again with this debt committee. The establishment’s promises are hollow and untrustworthy after so many failures at leadership. Should it play out like we’re all predicting and it’ll just be another ugly notch on their record justifying the needthrow them out in 2012 with all the rest of the Morons and thieves, I don’t care what political party they claim to line-up with.

    • proreason says:

      Boehner and McConnel need to begin packing. Ruling Class Buffoons. I don’t mind saying it….and I’m the guy willing to lift the debt ceiling just to get it off the table.

      After the latest info, almost nothing sounds better than the current deal.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Yes, let me amend my statement by saying that while I won’t advocate for one, you’d better believe should the popular momentum build in the grassroots to recall or remove them that I’m first in line to indict them with 8 months of History of milquetoast, dishonest leadership.

  6. tranquil.night says:

    If you haven’t caught millenial rebel-with-a-cause Wilson Getchell’s now critically-acclaimed runner-up entry to Powerline’s Prize Contest on the Debt, it’s very clever and creative: http://theothermccain.com/2011/07/31/video-youre-gonna-pay/

    Anybody who says they wish he’d upped the production values of his video doesn’t know Punk Rock! :D

    Also, I linked to Stacy McCain because I saw that a brilliant quote from our own Rusty Shackleford was highlighted in one of his recent posts: http://theothermccain.com/2011/07/26/msm-goes-lgf-media-trying-to-blame-norway-massacre-on-pamela-geller/ You the man, Rusty!

  7. proreason says:

    Couple of charts showing how bad mean Bush screwed poor Obamy.


    The audacity of that racist dubya to continue to screw our hero THREE YEARS AFTER HE TANKED THE ECONOMY in the first place.

    Imagine the power that evil man wielded. Apparently, dubya broadsided the country in 2008 so that McLame could follow his reign, but brilliant Obamy overcame that. Yet, nefariously, dubya’s hold on affairs has been so intense that 3 years after pretending to retire to his garden, the pall of evil still suffocatingly threatens to prevent the god-man from becoming king for life.

  8. tranquil.night says:

    The continuing Ruling Class melodrama “Incompetence or Intentional”

    Mark Levin: It doesn’t matter, “Boehner and McConnell are in the wrong place in History.” (via Facebook and Real Clear Politics).

    Well they’ve certainly been so ineffective that it’s up in the air whether they’re just well-intentioned fools or card-carrying Statists. My money is leaning to the latter.

  9. tranquil.night says:

    Congressman West explains why he supported the Boehner plan: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/tea-party-favorite-allen-west-explains-why-he-supports-boehners-plan/

    I don’t disagree with his substantive assessment of the political and legislative situation for the most part, however I don’t think he’s quite aware of what our criticisms of the Republican Leadership are, and why we aren’t going to tow the line fully until they start listening. It’s about tactics; our leadership is more aggressive with us than they are against their opponents, when their opponents lie and thrash us 24/7 about everything we’re trying to do.

    The list of grievances with the Estbalishment is too long to go through now, but let’s just grab this headline from the Blaze as well: ‘Bloodied’ & ‘Beaten:’ GOP Rep. Describes ‘Tongue-Lashings’ from Fellow Republicans Pushing Boehner Bill

    So, I’m kinda curious how Col. West feels about his leadership treating his own colleagues this way for having a simple disagreement and refusing to tow the line. Tongue-lashings, threatening to gerrymander them out of office.

    Because it strikes us here outside-the-beltway as a bit schizophrenic, y’know? Not to mention power-mad.

    EDIT: I also see that the Republican Leadership has glomped on to the “Theater” theme surrounding the debt debate (you got McCain calling us Hobbits and Pelosi out screaming that Boehner went to the Dark Side, lmao). They played a clip from “The Town” in their closed-door meeting.

    If you haven’t seen it, that movie is about a gang of professional criminals reluctantly about to pull off their last heist before the lead robber (Ben Affleck) goes off to the promised land for a life of love and reform. Needless to say it all goes horribly wrong. Well, not for Affleck. Just about everybody else dies, but Ben makes it to Florida. Ah, happy endings. Oops, SPOILER ALERT!!

    Great movie choice, GoP Establishment. Losers.

    • proreason says:

      I suspect Col West has forgotten more about tactics than we will ever know.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Someone made the point (wish I could remember who to give them credit) – it took the catastrophe of No Child Left Behind for Jim DeMint to become the stalwart he has. Politics might be dealing with a variation of the same Beast, but it is a different field from war.

      Maybe we just need to remember the backstory here, a little bit of how we got here:

      This is damn near political warfare at this point, with all the malicious verbal attacks and mischaracterizations leveled at us throughout the years. I mean, Kenneth Gladney was assaulted by the SEIU. There’ve been all sorts of incidents. Where the hell has the broader “Republican” establishment media been through all this in condemning extremism on the Left and the out-of-control vitriol coming from the Liberal’s media. Did they ever think $1T in Keynesianism or a massive new entitlement at the height of a recession and debt problem was radical? No – they followed the MBM’s lead whenever they managed to get a plant in a Tea Party to say something stupid. We said what the Left was doing radical and we got called racist for it. They’ve looked for every damn reason to proclaim this movement dead and they’ve looked stupid for years now saying it. Now those same wizards of smart (who let’s face it are mouthpieces for the Corporatist interests in the Republican party, the moderates, the RINOs, who knows maybe they’re even savvy to Globalism) – they throw the Extremism label out to couple with “Terrorist.”

      The Dems have been hot on quoting Reagan’s compromise lately. Here’s some Ronaldus Magnus for them from Daniel Horowitz@Redstate, fellow member of the ‘rollback’ crowd, in “Why We Fight”

      “in 1987, Reagan proposed America’s Economic Bill of Rights. Not only did his plan include a balanced budget amendment; it contained a 2/3 vote requirement for raising taxes, and a constitutional ban on price and wage controls (Reagan’s speech). Some might have called it extreme; others might have condemned it as unrealistic; Reagan viewed it as imperative and indispensable for the future of the nation, even though the government was a fraction of its current size.

      We don’t forget this crap from the establishment – like how they co-opted Conservatism to Statism after Reagan, first through Social Conservatism in the 90’s, then through Neo-Conservatism this decade.

      Control, control, control. Regulate. Cronyism. Power. Rule.

      Nor do we forget that since January of this year, John Boehner couldn’t wait to hit the greens for compromise with the Bamster, completely neglecting the input of the very caucus that basically handed him his position without having done squat for it. Oh, other than to shoot us some symbolic votes, make absolutely clear to Obama and the Democrats that we’re not going to shut the government down (and negate all leverage), and make sure courageous Paul Ryan’s budget got torched to all hell.

      The RSC had to come up with its own plan outside of Boehner because no one knew what was going on. WE had to build the public support for it, all while the Establishment tried to suppress the effort as irrelevant. Then when the terms of Boehner’s caving in the negotiations started leaking, the whole scam collapsed and the blame theater started. They signed onto our legislation long enough to get it killed before it had a real chance.

      It took an effing revolt on the vote for his first plan to even bring us into the fold. Several revolts. I mean, I don’t even think he’s listening still. Everybody’s just boxed themselves in at this point and it looks like we’re going to come out slightly ahead.

      Somebody tell me that’s not essentially where we’re at in Establishment vs Grassroots, and I’ll tell you – fine I have no problem with supporting Boehner’s plan. But it ain’t the case, they’ve been a pox on the political process, not as destructive as the MBM, but probably a big reason why so many people feel disassociated from the Republican Party. The Stupid Party reputation precedes them.

  10. proreason says:

    Spengler is an out-of-the-box genius. This article is way too complex to summarize but sure is interesting.


    One major take-away is his view that economic expansion is the solution to America’s problems, not balancing the budget.

    I have a tendancy to agree but also have a fear that the country has lost the ability, hopefully temporarilly, to genuinely expand. Opening a bunch of new restaurants or dry cleaners isn’t going to do it, even if lower taxes encourages that. Those are examples of internal service industries and don’t add an iota of wealth to the country, even though they might line the pockets of the entrepreneurs who establish the businesses. They are examples of walking in place. Another dry cleaner doesn’t add value to anybody’s life but the owner’s.

    The only thing that will really cause real economic expansion (i.e., new wealth) is significant innovation. Cars, planes, and electronics created new wealth from 1900 to 1960. Computers, the internet, and medical devices created new wealth from 1960 to 2008.

    What will create new wealth in 2011? And perhaps worse, who will do it, when the mega-trend of the country is dependency, and when academia has been captured by the enemies of capitalism. The capture of academia might be the biggest issue of all, because it is possible that innovation now requires so much knowledge of science and technology, that only highly educated engineers are capable of doing it. The Wright brothers had enough information to invent the airplane while running a bicycle shop. Does our current generate of 20 to 40 year-olds have enough information to invent the next big thing while waiting tables in a restaurant? Because Harvard graduates definitely aren’t going to do it. They are too busy scheming how to get rich and powerful by stealing from the middle class and buying off the dependent classes they created in the first place.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Brilliant analysis, Pro. The salient points about innovation and inventiveness being so very telling. I doubt that there’s a nation on Earth right now that would produce an inventor of Thomas Edison or Bell’s character. And, as you pointed out, the socialism has embedded itself under the skin and is bleeding the desire out of us as a whole.

      The cost and bureaucracy of getting a patent now is ridiculous. However, I would like to see the trend over the past two decades of numbers of patents issued, year for year. Might be very telling at that.

      Edit: Here’s some info. Apparently, the trend for patents issued continues to go up. At least from 1991 to 2010 it has: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/reports_pat_tr.htm

      219,614 in 2010 vs. 106,842 in 1991.

      Maybe there’s hope yet.

  11. tranquil.night says:

    I’m not getting dispirited. This wasn’t a wasted effort whatsoever, despite the predictable results.

    Come on Chuck, they aren’t gonna take us down!

    Chuck Norris: noting Obama’s fancy for carrying out his agenda via executive fiat


    • proreason says:

      24 hours later, I’m getting happier about it all, tn

      – Disaster averted. The Tea Party, despite the best efforts of the Ruling Class, was not destroyed.
      – To the contrary, the TP is looking better and stronger.
      – Continued emergence of Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson and others. Much better leaders than Boner.
      – No immediate new taxes…really a shocking result. Kudos to the above.
      – Massive new spending slightly reduced. No worse off than before, imho.
      – Paul Ryan said there is very little chance that the unconstitutional committee can do much damage. He knows better than anyone.
      – The Moron looked like a fool. Some people must have noticed.
      – The marxists’ escalating use of the most inflamator language conceivable is a key clue to their frame of mind. They are really desperate. So close to the brass ring but it gets further and further away.


      JPod points out the Boner had already folded on taxes and got a reprieve when the Moron demanded $400B more. Then the Tea Party went to war.

      “What do you call a leader who can’t lead — who has lost the ability to turn the public discussion and turn the conversation in the direction he wants and needs it to go?

      You call him a loser.

      “This may bring my presidency down,” Obama reportedly told Cantor in their testy exchange, “but I will not yield on this.”

      He yielded on this. And it may bring his presidency down.”

      However, I think this was an easy tuneup.

      I expect several more “crises” in the next 15 months. They won’t all be this easy, and may not all end this well. Let’s hope that none of the generated crises are shooting wars, nuclear attacks or the equivalent of Sept 2008 or 9/11.

      Also, btw, I expect to see more and more money shifting from marxist Senate campaigns to the Moron’s campaign. They have probably already given up on winning the Senate and will be attempting to hold their gains with the veto and SCOTUS appointments. They will also be hoping to have more success blaming their tragic actions on the Republicans if the Republicans win both houses.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Coulter’s pretty fired up about it too, probably more energetic than I’ve heard her in a while. She’s going a little soft on Boehner still but she seems to have come around to the fact that we’re in it to stay and serious. She made the point many independents were making to me that the good-cop, bad-cop routine we have with Boehner is effective in demonstrating to low-information voters who’s presenting solutions and who’s playing politics. Sean rightly hammered her on what a destructive choice it was for them to co-opt CCB with the McConnell option and the Go-6 rollout.

      That was enough right there for the establishment to be fallen in my eyes. But when they started attacking and threatening our members then picking up the MBM’s narratives, that was over the line.

      If they want redemption, they can start by calling off their attack dogs, put some some solid Conservatives on the committee, and stop ignoring our leaders.

      Rand Paul was on Levin last night too. He says that this process really bound the Tea Party Caucus in the House and Senate together, and now they will be much more united in their communication, tactics, etc especially vis-a-vis as a counterweight to our current leadership if necessary. So yes, finally the real statesmen are emerging. The more that rise, the better chance we have at breaking through the MBM.

  12. proreason says:

    Good account of Bin Laden raid. This may be all the info that ever comes out. At least until some of the Seals are on their death beds


    They didn’t attempt to capture him, but, of course, the article doesn’t say whether of not a hit was ordered by the Marxist or the Seals took matters into their own hands.

    My theory is that the Marxist wanted him alive for propaganda purposes but the Seals disobeyed orders. The article offers no insights. Most people would disagree with me and say that Seals always obey orders.

    • Howard Roark says:

      What a great read, PR. Thanks for sharing.

      An afterthought: Reading how Biden was so solemn and moved to prayer at Mass after the operation of counterterrorism was over, one can’t help but come to the conclusion of his severe personality disorder after hearing him refer (even if in the form of affirming the charge) to Americans as “terrorists”.

    • proreason says:

      New Yorker story of Bin Laden raid challenged:


      Shudda known. All of these guys are novelists, not journalists.

    • Howard Roark says:

      I obviously can’t say whether Schmidle interviewed those Seal team members firsthand.

      However, check out some of the quotes from this angry American “debunker” (C. Christine Fair, an assistant professor at Georgetown University and the author of Cuisines of the Axis of Evil and Other Irritating States.) who took Schmidle to task for reporting that one of our Seals actually uttered something as unpolitically-correct as, “For God and Country” (which, by the way, was first reported hours after the raid was completed by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/03/6576234-obama-agenda-how-it-happened ):

      Success in the war of terrorism seems to be equated with success in turning back the spread of Islam. Several states in the United States have even introduced ludicrous and shameful bills to outlaw Sharia.

      Not allowing foreign constitutions to supplant our own Constitution in America is “ludicrous and shameful”? That’s the kind of thinkng only a (assistant) professor could believe. I guess Christine is too smart to think that the second-class treatment of women, homosexuals, and non-believers would ever happen in some Sharia-compliant town here in America. Thank-God for intellectuals like her, eh?

      How would a proclamation that Bin Laden was killed “for God and for country” be read in a place like Pakistan where the war on terror has been largely seen as a war on Islam and Muslims? If this was in fact uttered, as an American, I am saddened that eliminating the world’s most notorious killer was done “for God” first and country second. If it wasn’t uttered, such a gratuitous detail hardly helps the United States make its case that it opposes terrorists not Muslims.

      Yeah, all Americans I know are terribly upset at the notion of “For God and Country”. They start calling the UN’s Amnesty International hotline every time someone mentions it. I suggest that they carry a rape whistle to blow on in case they’re ever near some neanderthal who speaks the vile phrase.

      The U.S. experience with the Iraq war illustrates the extreme limits of how a supine and incompetent press became the vehicle to mobilize an angry public for an ill-conceived and unjustifiable war of choice. The United States will long pay the price for strategic error.

      Right. President Bush was never criticized enough during the buildup and execution of the Iraq war. This writer has clearly been watching and reading the same press reports that the rest of us Americans have. Now excuse me while I return my copies of Farenheit 911 and the Bush assassination fantasy movies.

      Sorry, PR, but if the original story by Schmidle is falsified, I gotta be convinced by someone a little saner than this dizzy witch.

  13. proreason says:


    ““If we were really domestic terrorists, shoot, President Obama would be wanting to pal around with us, wouldn’t he?” Palin told Fox News host Sean Hannity last night.”

    If Sarah could come up with one of those a day, I would voluteer to work for her.

  14. tranquil.night says:

    The Complete Story of the Kenneth Gladney Beating. John Nolte @ Big Government: http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/08/03/blood-money-how-seiu-and-media-matters-stole-justice-from-kenneth-gladney/

    One time $50,000 donation to Media Matters has gotten them over 18 months and 30 stories ensuring that anybody on the right who brought it up was attacked and discredited with their revisionist narrative.

    “At the end of the day, SEIU paid for one of the best defense attorneys available in St. Louis and Gladney was stuck with a rookie prosecutor. The result was that with three witnesses who backed Gladney’s version of events, a video tape of the incident, medical records, and the absurd story that they were accosted by a man 110 pounds smaller than them — a jury still found McCowan and Molens not-guilty.”

    SEIU also paid workman’s comp. for one of the attacker’s “shoulder injury.”

    Then, for the thumb in the eye they called us Teabaggers in their website post “exonerating” themselves of their ill-gotten reputation from the event.

  15. proreason says:

    Walter Russel Mead does it again


    In a nutshell, our leaders are morally bankrupt and are leading us to financial bankruptcy.

  16. tranquil.night says:

    25 SEALs and 13 others down. National Markets down 5, 6 and 7%. Hope you had a great birthday week, champ. You’re definitely #winning.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Oh how could I forget S&P’s downgrade of Obamanomics last night.


      “The Associated Press has learned that more than 20 Navy SEALs from the unit that killed Osama bin Laden were among those lost in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.”


      Our fallen brothers, you will be honored – for God and Country. Geronimo.

    • proreason says:

      Obama has to believe this is the best week of his reign.

      He has never been closer to his goal than he is this moment.

      To the Seal heroes who died protecting us all….you will be avenged. In 2013.

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