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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, May 4th, 2012. Comments are currently closed.

20 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. tranquil.night says:

    Two battle reports for you guys this weekends; the first comes from the main front where the Conservative Grassroots & Republican Establishment continue to spar over tactics and influence.

    First Insty has a piece from Jennifer Rubin at WaPoo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/the-media-facilitate-obamas-game-of-distraction/2012/05/04/gIQAZHSy1T_blog.html totally handled: http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/142235/ Rubin whines that the grassroots New Media have been blowing it by spending their media oxygen resources defanging the stupid and distracting offensives on Romney of late by the regime including the Dog Chapter, instead of leading the narrative with a more substantive offensive.

    Insty replies: “..the new media still doesn’t have the power to set the agenda, really. Sometimes we can force things onto the agenda, but the “agenda” — defined as what most MSM outlets are talking about on a given day — is still set by the MSM.. In truth, the way to push those topics into mainstream media coverage is for Romney to mention them directly; despite press bias, when a candidate talks about things, the press will cover it. If Jennifer knows anyone at the Romney campaign, she might suggest that.” Heh.

    And one of his readers also nails it with how this has been “battlespace preparation.” By neutralizing these non-sequitur and non-sensical lines of attack early, it 1. prevents them from becoming part of the conventional wisdom of the campaign storyline for low-information impulse voters and 2. prompts the regime to a continually defensive posture where our substantive message can be more effective by comparison.

    What I think really bugs Rubin is that the permanence and effectiveness of the Conservative New Media establishment is finally starting to be recognized by the old guard, signified by the Team Romney/Blogger Meeting That Did Not Happen: http://theothermccain.com/2012/05/03/it-never-happened-nobody-saw-it-happen-and-i-was-never-there/

  2. tranquil.night says:

    Second report: Operation Counterweight Status.

    A lot of press recently for the Richard Mourdock and Dick Lugar primary in Indiana on Tuesday. Mama Grizzly came in for Mourdock to help launch him nationally, and now the big three Conservative talkers gave him the friendly push this week. Polls have him up 10 now and if this goes through it’ll likely be the Tea Party’s blueprint for a hopefully very bright Congressional Campaign season. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-rt-us-usa-campaign-lugar-polltre843177-20120504,0,2207238.story

    May 15th looks to be the date of the Nebraska primary, which is very closely contested right now between our guy Don Stenberg and Jon Bruning, who does good enough on the stump apparently to seduce several Tea Party endorsements, but who we’ve found out has supported and still supports Eric Holder. Polling is sketchy on this race. Stenberg just recently made a poll buy which shows him starting to “surge” but it’s still unclear.

    May 29th comes the Texas primary with our man Ted Cruz and Perry’s Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst. Polls have Cruz gaining so hopefully with a national launch come closer to the vote and we can get him in. He is a very very solid candidate. Mark Levin knows and vouches for him well as Cruz has authored over 80 SCOTUS briefs. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/04/cruz-closing-in-on-dewhurst.html

    The great Josh Mandel, Ohio State Treasurer & Marine Vet, won his primary and is going up against Sherrod Brown. We can take this seat with this all star, who will just be turning 35 this September. Help Josh: http://theothermccain.com/2012/05/04/video-ohios-josh-mandel-is-awesome/

    Also brilliantly surging seemingly out of nowhere and onto the national scene is former Secret Service agent Dan Bongino, who won his Maryland primary practically entirely on his own with aggressive grassroots campaigning and I have to say appears to be totally the real deal, a damn near true Federalist. Or he’s just very smart with the pander. Dem. Sen. Ben Cardin is the heavily favored incumbent in Maryland, but I’d not be surprised if Bongino makes a race out of this one.

    The Florida Senate primary it’s telling me is August 14, which if true is good, because we need time to work this one out. Sean’s favorite playboy Rep. Connie Mack (Adam Hasner was a more solid pick IMO but let’s not go there..) is giving us all sorts of high profile headaches and recent shock polls had him down as much in 10 in a battleground state we’ve felt pretty comfortable in recently. Already the work is being done to get him back in the game so maybe it’s just been a case of him being out-gunned in these early campaign months.

    There’s a couple more popping up now too, including a messy but interesting race in Minnesota, and some of our long shots in the heavier Dem strongholds. There’s Liljenquist who successfully has brought Orrin Hatch to a primary showdown in the race I’m staying out of but watching with interest. And of course the great Mia Love of Utah 4 surged to take the nomination in her primary.

    All in all Operation Counterweight is proceeding with results about as well as we can hope for. The Tea Party scooted back onto the political scene underestimated and largely under the radar as the Left thought it’d finally dissolved. The Establishment was not able to co-opt the momentum of their primary win down the rest of the ticket and now if Team Romney wants a better shot at a win, they’ll line up with the reverse coattails of the energy that many of these Senate candidates are bringing with them.

    • Mithrandir says:

      This is why I don’t trust Republicans

      1. Instead of setting an example, these old codgers just stay around forever. Bob Bennett, Dick Lugar etc. Little hint: If you have been there for over 10 years, YOU ARE a democrat. The only way to get rid of them, is vote in a democrat, and then try to vote out the democrat the next election. It’s either that, or endure a liberal Republican staying in office until he is carried out on a stretcher.

      2. Abortion? Lost that battle didn’t they? Socialism? Lost that one too. How about gay marriage? It’s creeping across the country, and the Republican establishment will AFTER THE FACT (quietly of course) complain about it for every future election, instead of making the argument when they had the chance.

      3. FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION! It’s a winning argument every time! People respect those that stick to their guns. *pun intended* Even if you get a lot of heat over it, people know and respect that Republicans won’t cave in over the Constitution or Biblical principles. Right now, the old school Republicans don’t stand for anything but maintaining their job.

      4. Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Newt Gingrich are about the only ones willing to stick their neck out, and challenge their own party. With only those 4 people, they could sweep-out every Republican lifer in America, and replace them with Tea Party Patriots.

      5. The older I get, the worse the country gets. And what is the mathematical CONSTANT in this equation? The Big Government Party, “occupied” by the same usual suspects we keep voting in time after time, expecting a different result.

      First time in my life I am voting for a write-in candidate, b/c I don’t want my vote to be squandered on the same trickery and fraud that has fooled me many times before.

      It’s either Tea Party, or the same system we have always had (The Demo-Republi-Crat), so why not vote Tea Party?

    • tranquil.night says:

      This cycle isn’t the best time to dislodge yourself from the Republicans yet. If Conservatives don’t show up for Romney and to get rid of Obama this November then he’ll either lose or win but have no allegiance to the more aggressive policy desires of the Right. Either one should carry with it more unacceptable consequences than flipping off the Republicans with a protest vote. Nothing is ideal this year. You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem with everyone else.

      Anyone frustrated with Team Mittens should channel that energy into bolstering and making sure strong Conservatives get in down ticket to keep Romney squared away. Don’t just rant or pick up your toys. The moderates and establishment are the weakest they’ve ever been. Even they realize they can’t just ignore Conservatives anymore, since Cons aren’t just giving up on the system but effect matters within it now.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Redstate: Dan McLaughlin has his own installment to OCW including points on why it’s time for Hatch to go and shout outs to Jeff Flake in Alaska & Mark Neumann in WI, also on the watch list. http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2012/05/07/operation-counterweight-comes-to-indiana/

      Related in WI: Also from RS, Erik reports that the Dem unity rally following their primary tomorrow to choose their recall opponent has fallen apart, potentially indicating voter energy and money problems for the election. http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/05/07/wisconsin-democrats-divided-house/

    • tranquil.night says:

      The wing of Republican Establishment insiders that would throw this election if given the chance, in my opinion – Heritage & Cato: Trent Lott lobbying for and Dick Lugar supporting LOST (Law of the Sea Treaty) http://blog.heritage.org/2012/04/30/former-senator-trent-lott-lobbies-for-u-n-treaty-he-vehemently-opposed/ http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/dragging-america-court-law-sea-global-litigation via Elizabeth Foley guest-blogging for Insty, who notes: “It is nothing more than a U.N. wealth (and power) redistribution program in sheep’s clothing.”

      These are Agenda 21’ers, not Republicans. Conservatives are actually more of a threat to their power and agenda than being graceful losers to Democrats where they’ve never had it so good dipping their beaks at the public trough. Lugar, once “Obama’s favorite Republican” for a reason. There damn sure are ‘those Ruling Class Republicans’ Pro termed them before the contemporary Establishment label came about: the lobbyists, consultants/strategists. The more established your power in D.C., the less likely you’re primarily representing anything close to the nation’s real interests.

    • Mithrandir says:

      UPDATE “Dirtbag Dick” didn’t need to be hauled out on a stretcher, but probably will need to be dragged out by his ankles, thanks to a Tea Party win. WHICH IS a win no matter what! Even if Dick Mourdock loses, it’s still a win because the establishment is given the ultimatum:

      “Either leave voluntarily, or we will knock you out in the primaries. We would rather take our chances with losing in the finals with a conservative, than sitting back and letting a liberal Republican win year after year.”

      Establishment on notice!

    • tranquil.night says:

      Interesting: Mama Grizzly goes rogue in Nebraska; bypasses Tea Party endorsed Don Stenberg & Santorum endorsed Jon Bruning, to support State Senator Deb Fischer: http://nebraska.watchdog.org/22069/sarah-palin-endorses-fischer-for-senate/ (h/t Insta-Mark Tapscott)

    • tranquil.night says:

      Underestimated: WSJ – Tea Party Patriots Haul in $12.2 million http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/05/09/tea-party-patriots-a-12-2-million-haul/ (h/t Drudge)

      “That vaults them into the ranks of some of the most successful conservative activist groups, including FreedomWorks, the Club for Growth and Americans for Tax Reform.”

      United We Stand.

  3. Anonymoose says:

    I keep thinking; one of the hallmarks of liberalism is repeating ad nauseum how intelligent they–only idiots would disagree with them, and how much they hate corporations and the typical conservative family. Think of the environment, think of the children who want to be gay/transsexual/goth/pagan/whatever.

    Yet what do corporations and conservative families really offer? The corporations create jobs and the families provide stability. Look at the heroes of liberalism–they aren’t really “smart” people, but literary intelligent. They know ideas and concepts and can write luridly of their lives and experiences, but put them in front of a math or chemistry problem and they’re lost.

    It’s people like Percy Bysshe Shelley; poet, non-violent activist, and idol of Karl Marx. He was a proponent of vegetarianism and started a journal called “The Liberal.” His only real employment was ever being a writer on social issues, and he abandoned his pregnant 18 year old wife at 22 for a 16 year old girl, the wife later committed suicide.

    It’s Dorothy Parker; writer and feminist wit who in the 1930’s was part of the “Anti-Nazi League” in Hollywood that was actually funneling money to communists. A strong advocate of civil rights, she left her estate to the Martin Luther King foundation. She also was married twice, once to a bisexual husband, had numerous affairs and at least one abortion, attempted suicide, and had chronic problems with alcoholism.

    It’s Oscar Wilde; Irish author and poet, who believed in the “supremacy of art” and was known for his dialogue, flamboyant personality, and life lived for pleasure. He sued the father of his male lover for libel, which ended up revealing his homosexuality. He was jailed and his health seriously declined under the hard labor. When freed he left England for France and died penniless.

    I could go on all day, but what I see in these “liberal greats” is people who decry the injustice of the world, yet do little personally to fix it but rally, write, and protest. They have disastrous personal lives, causing as much havoc for the people close to them as they bring on themselves. Despite demanding social justice they live lives only for their own interests. Thankfully few of them have children. And finally, most of them never had any real job aside from writing and protesting.

    So which is the better measure of a person? A father or mother who raises a family, makes sacrifices to take care of their children, and in the end has led a life of stability? The head of a corporation who turned their ideas in reality, gave employment to hundreds or thousands, and created the things in the world we take for granted? Or a self absorbed writer who complains how wrong the world is, leaves a personal legacy of disaster, and who’s only achievement is inspiring others to do as they say, not as they do?

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      But then you have the Steve Jobs’s who espouse how the world should be run while making huge profits working within the structure of how the world actually does run.

      The distance they have from reality is both troubling as well as canyon-esque. And there are many billionaire lefties. Even more millionaire lefties.

      Excluding those who never worked for their money (ie: Pelosi, Baldwin, etc.), it escapes me how those with such a work-ethic and who know how to run a company into great profits can stand at the mountaintop and preach socialism. Was it Chris Rock who coined, “Do you not hear the words coming out of your mouth?!”

      It’s perhaps understandable that people who have money who never had to work for it would go for the socialist line…but people who worked hard for it? Who battled for it? Who struggled? That’s just beyond confusing.

      But as to your point about liberal “leadership”….It all has to do with the wishy-washy emotions of whatever is popular today…and simply by being the most mentioned in and among the closed circle of people that is liberalism, they endure. Odd, that, but they do.

      Years from now, Captain McFlappy-ears will be standing at a podium….to a house of a couple dozen…..lamenting all the people that “undermined” his presidency all because they were racists and bigots. There will always be a certain number of moonbats who will agree to that type of evangelicalism. He will stir their emotions up…and they will then agree that he’s correct in his ASSumptions.

      Given that the human being has many different ways to exhibit themselves, hypocrisy affects every single group. Some more than others but even staunch conservatives have the occasional meat-free mass of remains in a closet somewhere. Nobody’s perfect. But while a conservative acknowledges their own imperfections, the liberal socialist always seeks the person who, to them, seems perfect and thus will ignore any criticism. Fan worship. Groupies. Nothing more, nothing less.

      I remember being on the bus on the way to school and some fellow high-schoolers were all agog at the souvenirs a pal of theirs had brought back from a rock concert by some big-name band in the 70’s. I casually peered over the edge of the seat and my gaze fell upon two cigarette butts that this sixteen-year-old had scooped off the floor when dropped by the lead singer of said band.

      The fact that other kids were fascinated by this annoyed me. And I wasn’t just a little bit disgusted too. It wasn’t an autograph, or a photo of the singer and the teen together. Nope. Just some bad-habit refuse from a drug-addled pop icon who could do no wrong in the eyes of a teen metal-head. (See “Wayne’s World”).

      I went back to watching the scenery pass by out the window.

      Much of society is like this, however.

    • JohnMG says:

      Here, here!

      Rusty, we must meet up and have a beer sometime.

  4. tranquil.night says:

    I’ve heard the Left decry that the very act of running is one of the most dangerous activities you can do because of what it does to your knees. What did those revered earth-loving Native American tribes do I wonder?

    Anyway, the solution is clear IMO: we need to plug the masses into a huge government run virtual reality world so that everyone can be micromanaged and protected from risk and consequence. Game on.

  5. canary says:

    Obama is handing Afghanistan war attack planes
    from the U.S. Air Force made in the U.S.A. companys.


    I wonder who will get the first bullet or bomb by one of Afghanistan new fighter planes Obama is giving them?

  6. canary says:

    Obama allowed the Taliban to grow more stronger. Was it Obama’s soft approach feed and helping them grow opium ridding Bush’s policy of burning the opium fields because they financed al-Qaida’s goal of destroying America, Jews, and all unbelievers in the World.

    Our U.S. Soldiers getting blown up delivering them apples and biscuits, or from drinking water during the day in front of some Afghan police that said it disrespected Ramadan.

    I think the Afghans we pull out of caves and offer them money to be police or soldiers do not have our backs for a second. I think the Afghan police and soldiers would die to screw our soldiers, and when they keep pulling these open fires on us, and they end up finally gunned down, they are martyrs.

    Congress Says Taliban Stronger article at link below.


  7. tranquil.night says:

    Everywhere but Drudge right now: Mourdock Wins http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/05/indiana-primary-results/

  8. canary says:

    Barack Obama, during his Cairo speech, said: “I know, too, that Islam has always been a part
    of America ‘s story.”


    Dear Mr. Obama:

    Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims
    first landed? Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians..

    Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and
    Native American Indians..

    Can you show me one Muslim signature on the United States Constitution? Declaration of Independence ? Bill of Rights?

    Didn’t think so.

    Did Muslims fight for this country’s freedom from England ? No.

    Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America ? No, they did not.

    In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery..
    Your own half brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as “pug nosed slaves.”
    Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family’s “rich Islamic heritage,” doesn’t it Mr.

    Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not present.

    There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Marti n Luther King, Jr. or
    helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.

    Where were Muslims during this country’s Woman’s Suffrage era? Again, not present.
    In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture. So much so,
    that often they are beaten for not wearing the ‘hajib’ or for talking to a man who is not a
    direct family member or their husband.
    Yep, the Muslims are all for women’s rights, aren’t they?

    Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim
    grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from
    the Nazi’s in killing Jews.

    Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren’t flying planes into
    the World Trade Center , the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on
    our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East . No one can dispute the pictures
    shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other
    cable news networks that day.

    Strangely, the very “moderate” Muslims who’s asses you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo , Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To many Americans, their silence has meant approval
    for the acts of that day.

    And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the “rich heritage” Muslims have here in America ..

    Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. They were Muslim.

    And now we can add November 5, 2009 – the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan ..

    That, Mr. Obama
    is the “Muslim heritage” in America

    Muslim Heritage, my ass.

    (passed to me not sure the author of it)

  9. tranquil.night says:

    Jammie Wearing Fools (via Politicker h/t Insta-Driscoll): “A $95 sweatshirt currently being sold in President Obama’s campaign store is the work of Alexander Wang, a designer who’s facing a class action suit in federal court for allegedly running a sweatshop where garment workers were forced to work 100 hour weeks in a factory with conditions ‘comparable to those of third world countries’ while being subjected to racial discrimination, verbal abuse and threats.” http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/sweatshop-workers-making-obama-sweatshirts-subjected-to-brutal-conditions-racial-harassment-called-lazy-and-stupid/

    Something to keep in mind while Tigellinus-Holder & the MBM attempt to tar-and-feather Sherriff Joe.

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