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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

Here, once again, is our weekend discussion thread.

Please feel free to post your thoughts on the issues of the day in the comments below. But remember to post any specific news items in the ‘News Selected By Our Correspondents’ section in the sidebar.

This article was posted by Steve on Saturday, August 6th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

50 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. Melly says:

    Barry said at a Wednesday fund-raiser in Chicago:

    “It’s been a long, tough journey. But we have made some incredible strides together. Yes, we have. But the thing that we all ought to remember is that as much good as we have done, precisely because the challenges were so daunting, precisely because we we were inheriting so many challenges, that we’re not even halfway there yet. When I said “change we can believe in” I didn’t say “change we can believe in tomorrow.” Not “change we can believe in next week.” We knew this was going to take time because we’ve got this big, messy, tough democracy.”

    Sorry Barry. We will not be doing this “together” much longer. Nice way of being accountable.

    Didn’t “spiritually advanced people” way back in ’08 , described Barry as “a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being . . . who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment.”

    HA! The cult of Obama must be imploding now…as evidenced by its attacks on The Tea Party and on the intelligence of average Americans who believe in lower taxes and less spending….how radical…what dissent! It used to be patriotic to dissent, now it is treacherous. You cannot win with Liberals…it is always their way – they will spin anything to conform it to their dogma.

    • proreason says:

      The Moron is the leading example of a basic law that anything can be justified if reality is ignored.

      HItler – revived the German economy; expresed the will of the German people; made the trains run on time
      Stalin – won WWII; completed the difficult transition from royalty to medernity in Russia
      Manson – gave alienated young women a caring environment; had a difficult childhood

      It’s easy.

      At the heart of it, I see no difference between the 4 people in this post. All of them were profoundly dangerous narcissistic psychopaths. Each expressed their manias as fully as their environments would allow.

    • beautyofreason says:

      “precisely because we were inheriting so many challenges”

      Does he ever take responsibility?

      “Not “change we can believe in next week.””

      Oh, I’m a believer. We’ve seen a lot of change in the past three years. Rotten, steaming change.

      “big, messy, tough democracy.”

      As opposed to an dictatorship or absolute monarchy, which is fairly simple by comparison. What does he want, a scepter and laurels?

  2. GetBackJack says:

    Their mastery of the Hegelian dialectic has led to this –

    Energy Crisis
    Crisis of Endless War
    Environmental Crisis
    Poverty Crisis
    Financial Crisis
    Political Crisis
    Immigration Crisis
    Health Care Crisis
    Unemployment Crisis
    Hunger Crisis
    False Flag Terrorism Crisis
    Crisis of Conscience
    Moral Crisis
    Crisis of Confidence in Political Leaders
    Accountability Crisis in most Western governments
    Constitutional Crisis
    U.S. Dollar Crisis
    Mainstream Media Crisis
    Government Secrecy Crisis

    …. we cannot unravel this Gordian cluster goat roping they’ve woven. Those who imagine “working within the system” will turn it around are not just delusional but valued enablers in continuing the problem. We CAN make it stop and start over, but no one here is willing to do that. No one here is willing to go to prison for standing up. No on here is willing to start down this road – At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

    No on here is willing to step out of line.

    Our comfort is our worst enemy.

    Our fear of the men and women who are employed by our government crushes our courage into little pieces and scatters us to the winds, our dissent meaningless. No one here is willing to risk their families and property, their freedom and health to grapple with this Beast Shadow on the land as it must be. In short –

    – No one is willing to be the one who lights the fuse.

    But every one of you here knows what the road ahead looks like.

    Because – the Left, the shadow will not go quietly, will not relinquish power peacefully. Rather than be dislodged, if this sinister miasm that has infected half the nation ever senses it’s vampire-like suckling our our life’s blood is actually, really, seriously in jeopardy …. it will burn down EVERYTHING rather than let Reality back into power.

    It will burn it all down.

    The destination is crystal clear. The road ahead is known. We will arrive there whether you think we will or not. It is as inevitable as gravity.

    • Petronius says:

      “Who will bell the cat?” (From the conspiracy of the Scottish nobles against the favorites of James III.)

      “Everyone wants to save the world, but no one wants to help mom with the dishes.” P.J. O’Rourke

    • Liberals Demise says:

      There is no such thing as gravity……the earth sucks.
      Liberals Demise

    • proreason says:

      good rant

    • tranquil.night says:

      It goes as a fact that indeed our political system is completely out of control, recklessly abusive and detached from reality. That’s even conventional wisdom now with the ruling class. “Congress. Congress is broken. We’ve lost our ability to compromise” when just the ass backwards of course is true: we did just compromise to meet the stupid dictated deadline, it lost us our credit rating, just as we said it would, just as the deal was rushed to prevent, and finally – that is why America is majorly disgusted with the political class, but especially Obama.

      66% percent polled supported Cut, Cap, and Balance. Majority disapproval for the Ruling Class’ compromise. Total vindication for the Conservatives, again, but of course it isn’t spun that way but as total disgust with Congress’ inability to “work together” when everybody knows who’s presenting realistic solutions at this point. We don’t WANT to be right, about any of it, we want to STOP it.

      So yes it’s messed, and yes we’ll never get a substantive victory out of people who root their power in growing and farming the dependency class for votes.

      But I’d argue not to give up on it yet. For one, the fuse is already lit and it’s imploding the Left politically, leaving Obama without much of a rudder, or any more governing ideas except more of the same platitudes, class warfare, and goofy programs like this post-war reverse bootcamp or whatever. If that’s seriously his great pitch for the future of Progressivism, then fine Mr. President we’ll give you that for a halt on ObamaCare implementation until SCOTUS ruling, or 2013, plus accompanying restrictions to EPA authority and across the board cuts. And a BBA.

      It is an awful matter the country must suffer through the reign of this man and his band of thieves. But if we keep our faith in the fundamental checks and balances of the system (the few left still semi-functioning), have faith in people, and rally behind a strong leader that listens and answers to us, they’re toast. America has been on the edge and about to fall before and its people have remembered who they are in the knack of time. It’s the oft hyper-dramatized American way. There are plenty of signs showing it will prevail here too, but with lots of unnecessary pain.

      Meanwhile, they’ve got nothing left but to try and pin and frame it on us, when we’ve been the one’s warning about this very problem from the beginning. Their only hope is that they can smear us into giving up on the system.

      They’re ready and waiting for it: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2011/08/rut-roh-some-heads-on-the-right-are-going-to-explode-.html

  3. yeoldgrump says:

    You do not get out of debt by increasing the limit of debt you are allowed. You get out of debt by paying off the bills that you owe. You do not increase the amount of spending that you do, you cut the spending back to the bare essentials. You do not just make cuts in the amount of projected spending, you make actual cuts in spending. If you can’t cut spending on some items, you freeze it at the level it is at and do not increase it.

  4. Tater Salad says:

    Virginia’s 87th District is now being infiltrated by a person with a very questionable background that includes, Hamas and or Amal supporters from Lebanon.

    His name: David Ramadan or “Imad Afif Ramadan”…..a Shia Muslim from Lebanon.

    He is running as a “Republicam” and has a very shaddy past with no answers to questions!

    He is running in the House of Delegates in Virgina, 87th District. Questions need to be answered by this person before his can be supported for a vote.

    http://bigpeace.com/kclizbe/2011/08/05/foreign-influence-in-american-politicsimad-ramadan-in-virginia/#more-145956

    • GetBackJack says:

      The essential problem with Islam is something very few seem to recognize.

      Our Constitutional right to practice the religion of our choice as free citizens in a free nation without interference from the government.

      But Islam is not a religion. It is a complete system of political theocracy. A complete system of political, moral, financial and religious control through the insinuation and victory of Their Law seeping into another’s kingdom. It is RULERSHIP wrapped in the mufti of what appears to be religious devotion. Only the Confused, the Secular, the Mind Numbed Left cannot tell this cat by it’s spots.

      Their god is Power. Their theology is subjugation. Their scripture a handbook of war, terror and tyranny and their divine fervor a call to the sword. This is an abomination of all that can be considered Holy. It is the complete apostasy of the spiritual and is satanic to it’s core.

      It has no place in our world, in our nation nor in our culture. It cannot be assimilated. It cannot be melted in the pot. It cannot be absorbed. It is a virus in the world-body and it kills.

      Our ruin comes not from them, but from the idiots among us who cannot nor will not understand it’s nature and extend our freedoms to that which is dedicated in every verse to Conversion by the Sword.

      Before the British came back in 1812 we were already at war … the Barbary Wars with Islam preying on Americans and American shipping and that war consumed 16% of the National budget. They have been our forever and implacable foe, for one reason.

      Their god is Power, and he demands all kneel to him.

      You cannot be an American citizen and part of Islam at the same time. You will hate the one and love the other or love the one and hate the other, You cannot be a house divided. David Ramadan is an infiltrator.

    • GetBackJack says:

      In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Jefferson and Adams inquired as to “the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, to which Jefferson reported the ambassador’s reply:

      It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

    • Natural Born Citizen says:

      “In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e. Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself a prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new revelations of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE. … Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant … While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will toward men.” (Emphasis in original text) – John Quincy Adams

    • GetBackJack says:

      NBC – perfect.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Some additional followup to JQA’s argument: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/john-quincy-adams-on-islam-tells-it-like-it-is

      Some of the disagreements of the opposing side seemed wrapped around the axle about what happened in the past while ignoring what jihad means today. I submit that the argument has never changed and though the past behavior of Christianity has within it some violent content, it is not Christianity that is aiming to subvert, eliminate or otherwise destroy any/all who don’t believe in Christ. If anything, Christianity has adopted a live-and-let-live position in today’s world while islam is and always has had fanatical nutjobs who cling to their korans and bomb-vests.

    • tranquil.night says:

      The only difference between then and now is that the secular humanist Socialists/Marxist Europeans grabbed a demographic foothold in some of the Islamic cities that modernized with revenues from the oil trade (not to mention Israel apparently too, heh).

      The collision of cultures is unavoidable here and it’s already causing demonstrable conflicts of interest in the judicial system. The Republican Establishment would be serving the country better if they more properly parsed and vetted these concerns rather than forcing the issue and telling all the bigots to stuff it.

      But of course the Northeastern Republicans are so much more sophisticated, matching the Progressives passion for identity politics and multiculturalism without ever examining its potential challenges or consequences of not confronting those challenges.

      Christie’s brand of tough guy “common-sense” managing is still within the prism of that old Ruling Class template we can’t stand. Too many of our candidates are still playing too much in that field.

  5. tranquil.night says:

    Heh: Fair-adise Lost, Ezra Klein edition – http://theothermccain.com/2011/08/06/fair-adise-lost-ezra-klein-edition/

    Smitty’s been in top writing form since the arrival of his son, The World’s Youngest Blogger. Congratulations to him.

  6. proreason says:

    I wonder if little ezra klein is S&L’s own hopeless little ezra?

    They seem equally clueless.

  7. ezra says:

    Good for you Pro! A little curiosity never hurt anybody!

  8. proreason says:

    proreason’s first day in office.

    1. Issue Obamycare waivers for all 57 states and any business that requests one.
    2. Immediately freeze federal spending including salaries
    3. Return Churchill’s bust to the Oval Office
    4. Open all offshore regions and Alaska to drilling
    5. Suspend all EPA post-2008 regulations pending complete review
    6. Initiate 3rd party in-depth review of all cabinet departments to include costs and benefits to American people
    7. Initiate military tribunal for KSM
    8. Invite the prime ministers of the UK, Israel and Poland to state dinners
    9. Order completion of the Border Fence and enforcement of all border laws.
    10. Initiate an investigation of the legailty of the treatment of the Chrysler bond holders
    11. Fire all White House czars
    12. Initiate an investigation of the StickItToUs spending, including a complete financial accounting.
    13. Order a review of TSA policies and procedures
    14. Order a review and complete accounting of all new programs and federal spending post 2008.
    15. Change the Rule of Engagement in Afghanistan to those in place for the Iraqi surge
    16. Invite a forum of business and eonomic leaders to meet with me and my vice president on an individual basis at least once a quarter beginning immediately: Rick Santelli, Larry Kudlow, Donald Trump, Meg Whitman, Steve Wynn, Herman Cain, the founder of Home Depot, Warren Buffet, the founders of Google, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mitt Romney, Thomas Sowell
    17. Order a 3rd party investigation of the 2008 financial meltdown to be led by proreason.

    • GetBackJack says:

      I vote Pro for 2012

    • tranquil.night says:

      “Order a 3rd party investigation of the 2008 financial meltdown to be led by proreason”

      Haha, best for last.

      “This ain’t amateur hour anymore. Go Pro 2012.”

      No exclamation points, just a period.

    • Petronius says:

      President Petronius’s first week in office :

      Monday — Jobs : Appoint Gov. Jan Brewer Secretary of DHS and Sheriff Joe Arpaio chief of ICE. Put some real teeth in immigration enforcement: secure the border with Mexico; declare a 25-year moratorium on immigration; begin fast-track deportations of illegal aliens and criminal LPRs; abolish the anchor baby rule and replace it with the rule of jus sanguinis; cut off all Federal money to sanctuary cities; repeal all welfare for immigrants and refugees; tighten down the visa racket and deport the millions of overstays. Sharply limit the number of refugees to a few individuals (not groups) and declare that the Federal government shall have no authority to settle colonies of refugees within the United States. Abolish affirmative action, racial quotas, set-asides, and sub-prime mortgages. Lunch. Repeal Obamacare in toto. Abolish the EPA, and repeal its regulations and organic statutes. Appoint Sarah Palin Secretary of Energy and open up America to oil and gas exploration. Abolish the union shop, Labor Department, and the NLRB. Abolish all Federal government unions and open up government contracts to competition from nonunion firms. Whew! Monday was a busy day.

      Tuesday — The Economy and Public Debt. Appoint Bill Gross Chairman of the Fed; appoint Steve Forbes Secretary of Treasury. Slash the corporate tax rate to zero. Allow tax-free repatriation of corporate profits from overseas operations. Abolish the capital gains tax. Abolish FICA payroll tax, which falls only on American employers and employees, and substitute a national sales tax that will hit Chinese and other imported goods. Reform/privatize Social Security and Medicare to place them on a sound basis. Turn Medicaid over to the States to do with as they please. Abolish the progressive income tax, death tax, and exit tax; substitute the flat tax. Remove taxes on American farmers, ranchers, and agricultural products. Abolish all restrictions on ownership of foreign bank accounts, and restrictions against taking private property abroad or owning property abroad. Lunch. Repeal Dodd-Frank. Abolish Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Restore a sound currency. Reexamine trade relations with China and other countries that don’t play fair (free trade does not mean unfair trade). Begin a program to protect American intellectual property, trade secrets, patents, copyrights, trademarks, and brands. To encourage medical research, patents for pharmaceuticals and medical devices shall be for 40 years. Sell the UN building and apply the proceeds to reduce the national debt. Consider putting New England up for bids.

      Wednesday — Defense and foreign affairs. Appoint Liz Cheney Secretary of Defense. Liberate Cuba and make it a US territory with a view toward statehood, thereby adding two more conservative Senators. Assassinate Hugo Chavez, and annex Venezuela as an oil colony. Destroy Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities. Lunch. Appoint John Bolton Secretary of State. Rebuild alliances with Israel, Britain, Germany, Poland, Georgia, the Ukraine, the Vatican, Switzerland, Honduras, and other former allies. Withdraw from wars in Libya and Yemen. Abandon Afghanistan to Karzai, the Taliban and tribal warlords to fight over, leaving reduced US forces adequate to deal with Al Qaeda terrorists. Review US military bases abroad for closing, and establish new bases in Eastern Europe — we’re going to reset relations with Russia big time. Withdraw from the UN. Slash foreign aid (except Israel) and withdraw from World Bank. Restart the anti-missile defense system and other advanced high-tech weapons programs. Restart the NASA manned-space program.

      Thursday — Federalism. Stop the Federal war against Texas, Arizona, South Carolina, and Alabama. Abolish all remaining Federal “social justice” agencies and programs. Lunch. Recognition of States’ rights expressly to include secession and nullification by referendum of the people. States and localities expressly authorized to abolish public schools in favor of a voucher system. Reaffirm the authority of the States to establish property, taxpayer, literacy, and citizenship qualifications for voting, for holding public office, and for jury duty. Abolish Federal support for abortion; reaffirm the authority of States to establish laws governing abortion (i.e., repeal Roe v Wade).

      Friday — The Judiciary. Appoint Ken Cuccinelli Attorney General. Establish a presidential commission of conservative thinkers under the chairmanship of Robert Bork to identify Supreme Court decisions that have expanded Federal power at the expense of the people and of the States, and to recommend how those decisions need to be reversed, vacated or modified. Lunch. Remove Liberal ideologues from the Federal judiciary. Amend the Constitution to require that all appointees to the US Supreme Court must be approved by two-thirds of the States acting through their State legislatures, rather than by the Senate. No constitutional rights for foreign terrorists, detainees, invaders, and illegal aliens.

      Saturday — Housekeeping. Pass Balanced Budget Amendment. Limit Federal spending to 15% of non-govt GDP. Prepare a balanced pay-as-you-go budget. Eliminate BATF, and the Departments of Education, HHS, and HUD, and repeal their organic statutes. Lunch. Dismantle, reduce and reform Interior, TSA, Transportation, Commerce, Energy, and Agriculture. Limit FBI to counter-intelligence. Consolidate the foreign intelligence agencies. Privatize the Postal Service, Amtrak, and the student loan business.

      Sunday — a day of rest. After lunch have some fun. Appoint Steve G. to be White House Press Secy and proreason WH Chief of Staff. Promote TN to be governor of California. Prepare an enemies list. Round up the usual suspects. Begin criminal actions against Tigellinus-Holder for treason, civil rights violations, etc., with trials held at GITMO by a military tribunal. Pass a Limousine Liberals Millionaires & Billionaires Tax applicable to Liberals only, to reimburse the nation for their many thefts — my signing of the tax bill to be held aboard John Kerry’s yacht. Afterwards, the yacht will be loaded with those people from Congress, Fannie Mae, HUD, former presidents and community organizers, and loan sharks, et al., who actively promoted the sub-prime mortgage program, the yacht then to be towed out to sea, and used by the US Navy and Marines (LD, JohnMG, and Tater Salad) for gunnery and torpedo practice. Reconstruction II : Hold a forum to recommend ways to cleanse Chicago. Should we make a special example of Vermont (assuming it was not sold on Tuesday)? And if we do, would Massachusetts, Connecticut, etc. get the message? Take a Rasmussen poll: where should we locate America’s next nuclear waste disposal site? Barney Frank’s district or Nancy Pelosi’s district?

    • TerryAnne says:

      I wanna be SecDef. LOL! ;)

    • proreason says:

      Love the appointments, Petronius.

      On a serious note, I catch some of Larry Kudlow’s radio show on weekends and like listening to him. Yesterday two callers challenged him about whether the Menace is deliberately trying to destroy the country or not. They weren’t wild-eyed guys either, since Kudlow doesn’t allow my type to get on air.

      Larry very calmly responded that it is simply a difference in economic philosophy and that Obamy adheres to a school of economic thought that is at least as well-known as the conservative school.

      I think he’s dead wrong, and the lists above illustrate why.

      If it was just differeing views about economics, you could make a good argument that the Moron simply has different economic views than 95% of Americans.

      But when you begin to list the hundreds of things that he has done that rip out the heart of a country, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is perfectly aligned with marxism, how can any rational person conclude anything other than that he is a marxist.

      The only argument, really, is whether one can be a Marxist and not want to destroy the country. I think the answer is obvious, but if you don’t, please point to where he has championed this country and sworn to uphold its traditions and moirees.

      Even died in the wool liberals, if that breed exists any longer, should be scared spitless of this guy.

      I like what my favorite poster on PJM says:

      Get.rid.of.him

    • Petronius says:

      pro, I also like Kudlow and try to catch his programs; Larry has good guests and good instincts, but he also has a few blind spots. (BTW, particularly liked your appointments of Rick Santelli and Meg Whitman, who are special favorites. I believe Whitman would make a good presidential candidate. Would also add David Farr, CEO of Emerson Electric, to your #16 business panel, and perhaps Walter E. Williams and the rest of the George Mason Univ. economics dept.)

      Of course Nerobama is a closet Marxist. Altho there are many gaps in his history, he certainly appears to be a lifelong Marxist, as were both his parents, his mentors, and most of his early known associates, as well as some of his czars and political appointees.

      With regard to his Marxist past, I would also like to add to your list #17 an investigation of his activities as a community organizer. Naturally the press (including Kudlow and his researchers) won’t look under that rock.

      For Nerobama, government is simply a means for settling scores. Period.

      He is angry at America and he is eager to teach us a lesson.

      He wants to take America down a peg or two. And he wants to expand the Federal government, stifle and choke out the remaining breathing space for capitalism, and bring the power of government to bear down hard on every aspect of the life of every individual American. Even if I believed, as Larry Kudlow apparently believes, that Nerobama represents a legitimate, if mistaken, economic school of thought that aims to restore prosperity, I would still oppose him on the ground that his policy is destructive of freedom.

      However, I believe he secretly rejoices at the S&P downgrade of US public debt and the drop in the market. That is simply further cause for celebration –– like Boeing and the American aerospace industry, it is another scalp on his belt, another notch on his gun.

      I also believe that he would actually welcome a financial meltdown; after all, every crisis is an opportunity — an opportunity to expand government power and reach, to stop the Engine of the World, and to turn America into an economic corpse.

      There are hopeful signs that The Stupid Party is beginning to figure this out. Congressman Paul Ryan almost let it slip out, as he began to speak of it openly during an interview on Sean Hannity’s radio program last week, but then Ryan caught himself and quickly recovered.

      I can think of only one positive thing Nerobama has done, and that was the assassination of Osama Bin Laden. However, he had no real choice in that matter. And it is possible that the gutsy-call was actually given by Leon Panetta and Hillary Clinton.

    • proreason says:

      “I believe he secretly rejoices at the S&P downgrade of US public debt and the drop in the market”

      Well, he is playing golf today.

      And then there was the barefoot birthday bash with the bros.

      If he isn’t rejoicing, then he is doing a bad job of hiding it.

  9. proreason says:

    Now HERE’s a rant!

    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/08/07/speaking-of-rants/

    But awesome as it is, she is still off the mark on her solution. There is no way this president is ever going to change course. It would be like asking Lenin to change course.

    I like the part where whe says “why should I?” when Cavuto tongue-in-cheekly says that it doesn’t sound like she will be expanding soon.

    You know, the problem really isn’t economic anymore. America has trillions of money on the sidelines, and tons of business expertise eager to make things happen. But “why should they”, when they know that whatever they create will be confiscated and redistributed.

    It’s so simple, one of the little kids on those bank commercials can understand it. Here’s the script:

    Little kid is feverishly building incredible castles and road systems in a sandbox.
    Announcer comes in room and says “hey, those are some great castles you’ve built there”.
    Kid looks up and smiles, goes back to feverish work.
    New kid enters room shuffling around and knocking things off tables that shatter on the ground.
    Announcer lifts industrious kid out of the sandbox and puts the shiftless kid in, who immediately begins destroying the castles; says “this kid doesn’t have a sandbox of his own”
    Industrious kid shrivels into a fetal position.
    Voice over announcer says “Even kids know that building things that someone else will destroy isn’t any fun”.

    • TerryAnne says:

      It’s called “Going Galt”. Glad to see that it is taking root.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Reading the fruit-loop lefty comments below the YouTube video had my head spinning. So many believe the sound-bite “logic” that they either hear on the (short) school bus or from the left-owned media. By reading the left-owned papers, they like to think they are smart but still lack that inherently unique characteristic of building an argument in their mind by examining their own small world. Then, extrapolating the larger from the smaller. In simpler terms, “critical thinking” as I have often lamented.

      Some of the comments made in support of her rant do exactly that but get no acknowledgement. One poster said, “tell your creditor that the solution to your rampant spending is to loan you more money”. This is exactly the case. While many are wrapped up in “it’s a victory for republicans/democrats” they fail to understand that they have buffaloed all of us and the American People lose—again.

      When Reagan said, …”Government is the problem” I heartily agreed then. I was stationed overseas so I didn’t get to see a lot of campaign speeches. I was very glad he won and wonder who we have who can hold to conservative values while being able to fend off the slings and arrows from not only the hippies but from dickheads like Boehner and the stuff-shirt, ascot-wearing pooftahs we have in the republican party? Another McCain would be less of a disaster than Obama but…it would be like saying “the Titanic sort-of sank”. Do we want to go to socialism at 100 MPH or at 60? When the cop stopped the guy who blew the stop sign and the guy told the cop, “Well, I did slow down.” and the cop replied, “If I beat you with my night stick, do you want me to stop, or do you want me to slow down?”

      Seems academic to me.

  10. proreason says:

    Taxes.

    We shouldn’t ever let the conversation be about taxes. I’ll bet for virtually everybody on conservative blogs, taxes isn’t the biggest issue. It probably isn’t even in the top ten issues. And when we let them make the conversation be only about taxes, we let them paint us as selfish and greedy.

    We should say, it isn’t about taxes at all. Higher taxes mean more government and more government means more control and less freedom. The entire history of the United States is about free people controlling their own destiny, NOT government dictating our lives. That’s what has allowed America to create more wealth than anybody would have imagined a few hundred years ago; that’s why we were able to defeat slavery, and the Nazis, and the Communists. And that is what is going to allow us to defeat the marxists who have burrowed into our society.

    You want to know what our issues are, well try:
    – Freedom
    – The Constitution, because without an agreed-upon governing framework, there would be anarchy
    – Smaller government, because size breeds corruption, and we have it in spades
    – Free markets, because free markets have revolutionized the world
    – Marxism and socialism, because they destroy freedom
    – Fiscal responsibility, particularly for government because it is so powerful
    – Transparency and honesty, because politicians have demonstrated that they are master liars
    – Equal opportunity, because we believe in it and because it’s possible, whereas equal outcomes are not
    – Defeating tyranny, because our enemies devote themselves to becoming tyrants
    – Protecting the weak, first within our country, particularly the unborn, and secondly to help our allies
    – Friends, because we wouldn’t want to live in a world without friends or the means to help them
    – Citizenship, because people fight to get into the US, and we want that to continue to be a priviledge

    And somewhere down in the next ten or twenty, there’s the issue of taxes, and it is only an issue because we oppose big government, which is the least efficient way to accomplish just about everything.

    • Mae says:

      Pro: I’m using your “Taxes” at another site, with proper attribution, of course. Thanks. Mae

    • Petronius says:

      Excellent, pro! Freedom, friendship, prosperity, life, integrity, citizenship and loyalty. What’s not to like?

  11. Melly says:

    So, it’s the “Tea Party” Downgrade? I see Axelrod, Lurch Kerry and Crazy Dean got their marching orders this morning. They led a new propaganda push against the Tea Party movement. Blaming Bush seems to be out of fashion now. The cult of Obama is at work avoiding accountability. If they happily thought the Tea Party membership numbers were waning, this attribution to the downgrade in credit will surely fire up the grass roots movement.

    First they were “astro-turf”, then racist, then stupid, then violent, then dangerous, then terrorists,then bombers and now they’re responsible for the S & P downgrade even though the Tea Party was pushing for the exact entitlement reforms that would have avoided the downgrade.

    It’s obvious that the Libs and White House are fearful that the president will be blamed for the unprecedented downgrade of America’s bond rating and the cult of Obama is truly rattled by the Tea Party or should I refer to them as just American citizens who want a smaller government, less taxes and regulations and…..JOBS!

  12. canary says:

    sniffles for Obama’s gray hair. I hope what little of his heart is left signals it’s time for him to go pasture in a desert.

    What a bastard Obama and his puppets are to endanger our troops saying we are leaving and only there to build, aid, and train the afghan police.

    30 U.S. military members, including 22 Navy SEALs and three other Green Beret Special Forces.
    (I think it’s 31 and 7 Afghanistan, and we don’t know the body count of the 150 Rangers on the ground getting hit, when the rescue attempt was made.

    Karzai probably set this ambush trying to change the tide of his days on earth being numbered.

  13. proreason says:

    How stupid is Obama.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/how_stupid_is_obama.html

    The only fault I can find with this article is that I think Obamy is stupid and out to destroy the country at the same time.

  14. proreason says:

    Romney and Bachmann did themselves the most good in the debate.

    Pawlenty shot himself. He’ll be a good cabinet secretary. He looks too squirrily and isn’t effective attacking.

    Newt kept himself mildly relevant for another day. Likewise for Cain, who actually seems to be getting better.

    Hunstman is gone if he was ever here. What is that man thinking?

    Santorium (good man) doesn’t appear presidential. Bye bye.

    I hope Ron Paul doesn’t hurt my hero, Rand Paul.

    Current contenders: Romney, Bachmann, Perry. Why should Palin run with Bachmann doing so well? Won’t she seem petty? Christie and Ryan would accept a draft, I think, if the leaders don’t catch more fire than they currently have.

    All in all, the field is good. Contrast it to the Moron, whose only remaining assest is the color of his skin.

  15. proreason says:

    The Boy King’s having a tough month, but he’s not worried.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/12/breaking-11th-circuit-rules-obamacare-mandate-unconstitutional/

    He’ll always have Paris, and Martha’s Vineyard, and Hawaii, and Africa, and Vienna, and Indonesia, and the other 50 trips he has enjoyed at our expense; and the hundred rounds of golf and the basketball games with Hall of Famers, and the twice a week parties, and the smoking rooms, and the Nobel Prize and the NY flyover, and his fierce eye-to-eye confrontation with OBL.

    And of course, he’ll always have Oprah and his rotating cast of man servants.

    • tranquil.night says:

      He won’t know he’s naked until when next November’s election is called before the Western polls are even closed.

      I’m noting how his handlers are suddenly dressing his campaign speech above-the-frayisms with American Exceptionalism Patriot sauce. Not sure whether he’s been sounding more like a Nationalist Socialist or a Globalist Marxist lately. Eh, he’s still the same GM, except now we’re forgetting his apologizing for the Country’s meanness/arrogance/imperialism/bigotry. Nope, now paying your fair share is Patriotism!

      That’s why Rush was essentially right when he disagreed with Marco Rubio’s otherwise brilliant closing thoughts from the Debt Ceiling fight in which he said neither of the competing visions for America are superiorly moral.

      I didn’t write it at the time but I thought it was naive statement made in an attempt at political bridge-building. Sooner or later on your own journey you realize that any bridges you build to that world just get used as another vantage point which they’ll use to defeat you. There’s no meeting point halfway between the Pursuit of Truth and Self Worship.

  16. Chase says:

    I applaud Petronius’ agenda. Seems to me after that first successful week (pending several time-consuming investigations, of course) in office that Congress could easily take a 9 mo-hiatus until time to build and approve the next budget.

    While Congress is on sabbatical, back at their regular jobs (forcing bloated staff and lobbyists also to pursue other paths), I hope President Petronius will use the bully pulpit and the popular wave of biblical proportions following his inauguration to urge Congressional term limits referendii being put on all States’ near-term agenda. I see no single item more likely to cleanse our political system(s) than term limits. ( A couple other existing amendments might also be studiously reviewed, with the bully pulpit again being used to instruct on their historical context in laying grounds for their abolishment.)

    While I also support Steve as Press Secretary, could you find room perhaps as his Deputy, to the get my hometown hottie, Michelle Malkin, in front of the cameras more often? In that same vein of reviving American spirits, the new wife of S.E.A.L. B. Leif Babin, Jenna Lee, might be nominated as spokesperson at DoD?

    Finally, seems to me Southern Sudan is still looking for a candidate for a plenipotentiary role – can we offer Obama (he can take his aunt off of welfare with him), perhaps for a couple of NBA prospects? Once ensconsed, Pres Petronius can revoke his passport, cut off his Secret Service detail, and save us paying his pension.

    • tranquil.night says:

      I go back and forth on term limits. I could see them doing nothing to blunt the Republican or Democrat political machines, while luck would have it that real gems like DeMint and Sessions get termed out and replaced by machine reps.

      Steve for Press Sec. and WH Comm. Dir.

  17. Chase says:

    It seems to me if the patronage system, if one dares call it that, with a politician running constantly on election mode, saying yes to every spending bill that benefits his district or state, being beholden to groups, unions, industries, voting for political reasons vs more principled ones, would do our laws, and our budgets, a lot of good, and there would be a lot less beholding going on, which would also allow for more transparency and rooting out of endemic corruption.

    I believe it is the most basic, necessary change, and is in keeping with the original intent of the Founding Fathers, to be rid of career politicians, and the hold, arrogance, lack of reality, and corruption that comes with power, and absolute power in their electioneering, absolutely.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      That’s a nice dream and I commend your observation. In my (again) cynical pespective, I think it’s absolutely unattainable. Times and people have changed and gone very far away from holding themselves personally responsible. If you step far enough back from everything, you can see it. You will not find the likes of an Eisenhower, even a Truman.

      Something happened along with the arrival of TV. Not that they had anything to do with one another but they seemed to coincde. Integrity and responsibility really flew out the window in the 60’s when the baby-boomers were coming of age and had wayyyyy too much say in the world. The thousands of years old custom of respecting your elders vanished and was replaced by yet another facet of moral relativism.

      But there are politicians who appear to be of the correct mindset, which is to say they are “old-fashioned” and there’s more right with that than there is wrong. Indeed, it usually takes living to about at least the age of 35 to realize that your parents were probably right and those things that grandpa tried to tell you were for your benefit.

      However, looking at the large pool of contenders for the 2012 election, I am so very glad that Perry has decided to run. Nobody is perfect and I won’t agree with him on everything but I also don’t look upon him as some “messiah”. He’s a guy who knows what conservative is and I generally agree with his stance. Hopefully a large majority of the nation who voted for Reagan will still be around to vote for him, as well as the kids and grandkids of the Reagan years.

      I think he’ll be able to stay away from the bombastic and egotistical approach and will, instead be that kind of person you alluded to in your post.

    • proreason says:

      I don’t understand Chase’s post, but agree completely with Rusty that TV has a LOT to do with the problems all countries have today.

      Prior to TV, there was some resentment of “the rich”, but it wasn’t toxic, because it was hard to find them, no matter observe them and have their lifestyles shoved in your face around the clock. I also think it was pretty well understood that wealthy people created industries and jobs and that everybody could benefit from that.

      But TV throws such a totally unrealistic view of the world in your face 24×7 that it has to have a huge impact. I mean, my god, on TV, ordinary people in NYC live in 4,000 square foot foot apartments, everybody is beautiful, and everything comes out good in the end. It has to be pernicious. I know it is a major factor around the world in fueling the anger against the US, but it’s also a big factor within the country.

      Movies can be just as bad, but you many see one or two movies a week. People watch TV 3 or 4 hours a day.

      And we are the smart ones. Imagine the impact it must have on the brain dead who vote for Obamy and have their resentment multiplied by marxists bombarding them with class warfare and fantasies of re-distribution in addition.

    • tranquil.night says:

      Like Rusty, I just don’t think there’s any ultimate Constitutional fix to ever completely deter corrupt people and interests that seek to manipulate power to their own ends, and like restrictive gun laws, the good intentions end up ensnaring good people instead of the criminals. My big problem with most career politicians isn’t exactly that they’ve been in Washington too long as much as the incestuous political machines which have been been in Washington too long churning out and supporting candidates who only vote for more spending and pork regardless of party. Term limits, in my opinion, won’t reform that systemic culture of Patronage, as Chase calls it. Apparatchik candidates are endless. Solid Constitutionalists that actually want to endure the political rape of serving in Washington are rare.

      I’d agree with Rusty and Pro that television has probably been one of the largest facilitator’s of our cultural decline since the 60s when TV became affordable enough to the low-income class and the Left took over all mainstream programming following Vietnam and Nixon.

      Mass Media naturally favors collectivist indoctrination because of its ability to incite great numbers of the ignorant with false images or storylines. Television became a crutch for the lazy, a teacher to the stupid, a baby-sitter for the self-involved, and a pipeline to every young mind to fill with desire, envy and narcissism. Their effectiveness is self-evident.

      I don’t think Pro or Rusty intended to imply this, but I don’t think the technology is the problem rather than the messages it has been used to employ. Mass media has also been very effective in producing inspiring change too.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Television: Chewing gum for the eyes.

      —–Frank Lloyd Wright

      http://www.quotegarden.com/television.html

  18. Natural Born Citizen says:

    I think one big change that is necessary is a official policy and defined procedures to do a background and security check on all Presidential candidates running for office. Part of that background check would be procedures to insure eligibility for office. BHO and the Democratic leadership found a loophole and exploited it. A Presidential candidate is honor bound to prove he is eligible. In past history nobody thought a major political party would ever put an ineligible candidate on the ticket. To assume the MSM will properly vet a candidate they support has been proven to be a mistake.To think that our POTUS who would most likely fail a government security background check ( because of his known associations with domestic terrorists and radicals, his admitted drug use, and his probable illegal activity including fraud, identity theft, graft and corruption). and yet upon his inauguration is given the keys to the nuclear football and access to all of our countries top secrets is beyond belief. This loophole needs to be closed ASAP.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      “honor bound”= “Does not apply to national socialists.”

    • Chase says:

      As one who holds high level security clearances, and who was first granted said clearances in a day and age when ANY recreational drug use, or ANY deviant sexual experimentation would void a career path requiring that ticket, I agree. Seeing the people who are granted clearances based solely on the electorate’s favorable vote, and the indulgent leaking that goes on all over, I agree wholeheartedly.

      If there were anything I could drill into the minds of voters who are voting people into D.C., and the press who have partial responsibility for vetting them for the common good, it would be the following two things (the first regarding only Senate and Presidential candidates) : the person you are voting for is going to be involved in appointing Supreme Court justices to life terms – figure 20-30 years easy, and, for all elections, the person you vote for is going to automatically receive at least a SECRET clearance, and the staffers they hire are also going to be considered (and pushed, with likely exceptions granted for various reasons – think of Maj. Hassan) for receiving the same.

      I don’t see a litmus test forthcoming, or even much sentiment that would push one. And yes, television distracting and confusing and pushing aside cultural achievements, traditions, and critical thought, filling heads with cotton candy, is surely a catalyst for the short-term memory of the electorate. who likely will easily forget in the span of a couple election cycles the huge failures brought into our society by this “token” vote in 2008. We still have other candidates who will come before us, and who some part of the electorate will again vote for not as people of character, experience, vision, accomplishment, but as mere tokens – a first woman, first Jew, first Hispanic, first Asian, first Mormon, first amuputee, first athiest, first Moonie, first gay, etc.,

  19. Natural Born Citizen says:

    Rusty,
    Agreed. Nor does it apply to their cowardly opposition in Congress who do not take their oaths of office seriously.


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