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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, July 6th, 2012. Comments are currently closed.

7 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. GetBackJack says:

    … and right on cue, the Republican Hierarchy of old dead tired brain fried country clubbing embalmed privileged stuffed shirts have already begun their quest to totally screw our pooch and ensure the continuation of catastrophic Big Government intrusion, intervention and meddling.

    The following is their God-forsaken “idea” how to repeal ObamaCare …

    Fox News, Fri Night July 06, 2012. Lead headline …

    Part of the the effort to repeal and replace the President Obama’s health care law, as Republicans see it, is to find a way to entice the uninsured to buy insurance rather than force them to do so.

    The existing law that the Supreme Court recently upheld relies on the proverbial stick — the individual mandate, which requires people to buy insurance or face a fine.

    Republicans argue for a carrot approach, to help more people voluntarily buy insurance, including by offering broader tax incentives.

    …. utterly totally, completely unfathomably and derangedly CLULELESS

    The people who aren’t buying insurance are people who …. listen to me … have No GD Tax Deductions you freaking dunderheads!! They file 1040EZs! Or, are on a buffet of federal handout programs.

    Rather than rip out by the roots every freaking entitlement and commerce stifling capitalism/competition crushing Regulatory roadblock and get medical costs back on the same kind of competitive footing as say, computers, cell phones and pencils, the Big Government Or Die Trying “Republican Party” is determined to be the lite me-too version of the Statist Democratic Party.

    Look to your moats, folks.

    There’s only one answer left to us, now …

    Good God, we are so …(blanked) ….

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      The elephant that apparently just walked into the room has grabbed the light cord and illuminated itself.

      By that I mean that it has now become clear that, at the very base of the issue, GOVERNMENT of both republican and democrat/national socialist have noticed something: That the cost of paying for those who get “free” healthcare is something that takes away money for them to get re-elected with. In other words, the selfish people who get their medical tabs picked up by uncle-sugar are being selfish so that the selfish politicians have less money to whore around with.

      How about that?

      Thus, it’s not about the individual mandate so much for politicians as it is how they can stop the government from taking “their” money out of their hands in order to apply it to more “needed” projects.

      Whether they be democrat or republican, the reason beltway elitists exist is because they learn how to steer taxpayer money. They are limited in every other skill necessary for good governance and instead, have learned over time how to call a tax an “investment” or a “badly needed program” while history shows that EVERY single government-run program ends up costing more than anticipated and is run far less efficiently than it did on paper. This is largely due to the hogtied methodology of affirmative-action hiring. But then, who do they expect is going to be attracted to a government-job? Or is it designed just that way?

      One hand washes the other in this regard. Inefficiency breeds more inefficiency while also breeding, rearing and fostering contempt.

      How does a government program end up costing so much? Everyone has to get their stinky little fingers into it so they can show their voters that they “did some good” while in office. No politician has ever won an election by claiming they will go to Washington and leave well enough alone. Instead, they seek fixes for things that aren’t broken or, especially that the private sector should address.

      The reason the healthcare problem existed at all was because government got involved years ago with manipulation of the free-market. Then came the ridiculous lawsuits. Why can’t a health insurer sell their product across state lines?

      So, asking the government to fix a problem they created is like asking a a firebug to grab a hose to help put out your burning house.

      In the hands of republicans, they will claim that their plan for healthcare under government-control will be better than democrats but it’s just the other side of the same coin. I never said to repeal and replace…just repeal. Stay out of it. Leave it be. But, republican elites are of the same brand as democrat/socialists.

      Our version is better than yours because we republicans know better than you.” is perhaps the distilled version of their intellectual morass. They cannot imagine the government NOT being involved now once it’s repealed. They see their opportunity to “save the whole thing” by being (ugh) proactive (oh how I hate that term) and then stumping for their next election on it. Most likely, that notion of keeping the parts that people like…well…that’s another myth that is spun by the media and it’s as big a load of manure as the whole 2,000+ pages. I….do not…..want…..ANY…..of it. Stay out of my health insurance…stay out of my doctor’s office…..keep your grubby little mitts (hear that, Romney?) off my health….period.

    • Enthalpy says:

      Yes! One inherent flaw in the GOP and all other bureaucratic organizations, for that matter, is that institutional survival trumps mission. Perpetuation of itself outweighs all other considerations and it will find a way. Bureaucrats from our side provide the illusion that they’re actually working for us while, in fact, they’re just going through the motions. Boehner, McConnell, and much of the Republican National Committee should have been replaced long ago because if this is their best, their best isn’t good enough.They’re not even in the fight; they don’t even recognize that there is a fight. They’re simply killing us slowly.

  2. artpa says:

    Problem is that long-term acceptance of pre-existing conditions (a popular thing) kind of forces the mandate (an unpopular thing). Perhaps the answer is to drop the mandate and allow open enrollment (one time) of pre-existing conditions, then close that door for good. That would make the GOP plan work. Sure, it would leave some uninsured, but only by their own choice and free to live the consequences of it.

    • GetBackJack says:

      “long-term acceptance of pre-existing conditions”

      Exactly why the whole blankety-blank thing has to be ripped out by the roots and radically started over, putting Capitalism back in charge with true free market competition.

      Bloody? Yes. Contentious? Hell yes. Fraught with night sweats and inequities until the dust settles? Assuredly. But to continue down the path of making water run uphill, reversing gravity, the sun rising in the West and pretending debts are wealth – forcing free people to pay ever more extravagant costs for “health care” which isn’t healthy nor caring, to continue in the deepening ruts of job fairs in the Philippines for nurses who could care less about your condition and have negligent disregard for work ethics and even less patient-care-standards while dismissing nurses with decades of real world USA experience… to continue to force doctors to pay an ever growing percentage of their revenues into Liability Insurance which costs get passed on to patient and insurer in an ever growing spiral that will see no end … to continue down the Dead End road of Big Pharma controlling legislation and paying Congress under the table to make illegal and outlaw therapies and medical devices which actually cure ….

      When 40% of USA GDP is spent on “healthcare” and of that, 40% or more is spent on GD paperwork and government mandated reporting and make-work overhead …..

      friends, this is madness beyond description and only Lucifer and his fallen angels could conceive of such madness and call it inevitable. This is Life and Death stuff, folks. LIFE AND DEATH. It is a Constitution-killing virus out of control and no one has the balls to put a stop to it.

      “Your only hope right now is to escape somehow and learn how tom minister to yourself and family. You’re on your own.”

      An exact quote from a 35 year Critical Care nurse who’s seen it all and is freaked out what she is no longer allowed to do for her patients.

      Like … comfort them. For which she has been written up now, twice. Third time? She’ll be summarily fired.


      You’re smoking rancid weed if you in any way think this situation is salvageable unless we tear it all down and rebuild along the lines of what our Forefathers knew works.

    • Petronius says:

      GBJ : “… and learn how to minister to yourself and family. You’re on your own.”

      Also almost an exact quote from a heart ward nurse of my acquaintance.

  3. canary says:

    Petronius. Exactly. There are ways. I tell a friend of mine who get’s down with this world. And tell him we need you. He like me knows how to lots of stuff from living on ranches, sewing up etc. And he knows how to track, fish, hunt, you name it. I tell him hang in there. Don’t give up. You are needed.

    To all, I don’t even believe Obama story he’s told over and over of how he wrote some letters for his mother when she found out she had cancer in Indonesia and then came to the states and tried to get insurance and was denied because of a pre-existing cancer. He would have named the company that he wrote letter for.

    First of all if the policy had a clause, then she would not have bought it, and all the letters he wrote would be worthless.

    Second I’m so curious if she divorced his adopted father how did he get to come from Indonesia to California and get treatment for liver cancer and pre-existing disease from a foreigner.

    And why when his mother was financially well off did she not buy insurance before she got sick.
    Why didn’t both his parents have insurance in Indonesia? Adoptive muslim step dad was a wealthy oil man in Indonesia so possible he paid for his treatment, but I doubt it.

    Happy vs Unhappy Muslims

    Many Muslims today are not happy!

    They’re not happy in Gaza .
    They’re not happy in Egypt .
    They’re not happy in Libya .
    They’re not happy in Morocco .
    They’re not happy in Iran .
    They’re not happy in Iraq .
    They’re not happy in Yemen .
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan .
    They’re not happy in Pakistan .
    They’re not happy in Syria .
    They’re not happy in Lebanon .

    So, where are they happy?

    They’re happy in Australia .
    They’re happy in New Zealand.
    They’re happy in the UK .
    They’re happy in Canada .
    They’re happy in the US .
    They’re happy in France .
    They’re happy in Germany .
    They’re happy in Italy .
    They’re happy in Sweden .
    They’re happy in Denmark .
    They’re happy in Norway .

    So, they’re happy in every country that is not Muslim.

    And who do they blame?

    Not Islam.
    Not their leadership.
    Not themselves.

    Excuse me, but have I missed something here?

    The author left out

    Yes, the muslims (now 93 % and growing are not happy in Indonesia until they become sick.
    And the muslims are not happy in Africa so they come here.

    No bleeping Republican or candidate in two races will bring up the fact that Obama wrote because of the war costs there was no way we could afford to pass a health care law for the country.

    Tell me we can’t delay saving lizard and minnows and building tunnels in Florida for turtles to cross a street without getting run over.

    Huckabee whining and full of b.s. He has endorsed liberal candidates in states and probably paid for it.
    And he endorses controlling what we eat.

    Huckabee should have kept his mouth shut instead of condemning Rush and Republicans so severely as he’s said to have done in this article.
    He got that show and first thing is bashed Sarah Palin. And to support government telling us what to eat and how’s he’s all for it. Good thing he didn’t get elected.

    The real reason he didn’t run is because he’s got a fluff show. Dissing Rush. Shame on him.


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