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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, August 19th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

57 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. TerryAnne says:

    So…who feels like golfing?

    • Petronius says:

      In Nerobama we have a man who plays golf every week, and still the MBM has yet to discover his handicap.

    • JohnMG says:

      Obama’s biggest handicap is between his jug ears……..nothing of substance.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      Right On, JMG!!

    • GetBackJack says:

      Chauncey Garnder, BEING THERE, 1979, Peter Sellers – Black maid of former estate watching Chauncy being ingterviewed on television – “I swear. It’s a white man’s world for for sure. That boy ain’t got nothing but rice pudding between his ears …”

  2. Natural Born Citizen says:

    Mr “Focused-like-a laser” has made up some post cards to send to the folks while he is on his vacation.


  3. tranquil.night says:

    Love it: http://sarahpac.com/posts/thank-you-iowa

    I know Levin thinks she’s in now. The conventional wisdom says she’s out.

    I’ve never speculated, because I’ve never had a reason to doubt what she says. If it’s right, it’s right. In the meantime, she’s milking every bit of the decision to make her case, our case, and having fun with it.

    Keep doing your thing Sarah, you are beautiful, no matter what they say. Words won’t tear us down.

    Update: She also came to the defense of Rick Perry with some great retorts back at the WH: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/18/palin-rips-arrogance-of-obamas-reaction-to-perry-still-considering-2012-run/(via Insty, who’s been covering a lot of great pieces lately, I wish I had time to comment on them all).

    “I am still considering it and I do want to help change the world for the better,” Palin replied, “along with millions of other contentious Americans who know that America deserves better than what we’re getting out of the political bubble in Washington, D.C.”

    • GetBackJack says:

      For some time now I’ve had suspicions of a considerable undertow, unrevealed, in Palin’s life that is causing hesitation. Fantastic momentum, then several years of vamping (vamping Improvised acc. to a song or instr. solo, often by pianist who cannot read notation but ‘plays by ear.)

      Which is disquieting. We need sure, steady strength, not vaccilation pr what appears to be merely coy.

      See, it can’t be cheap to pay the bills on a constant sorta-kinda maybe maybe teaser reel around the Nation. And it doesn’t make sense, to constantly tease without delivering the goods. NOBODY will stand for that for very long. Stand and deliver or get out of the way.

      That said, I love what she says.

      But can she hold the line?

      Time will tell.

    • proreason says:

      I’m staking my laughable and useless reputation on Sarah not running.

      Every day that goes by, her chances are less and less of getting the nomination. She will compete in the already crowded space of Bachmann, Perry, Cain and Santoreum. All of their supporters will not jumpt to her.

      And it not like everybody else is now a rino, too demure to challenge the Moron. Maybe she could have persuaded herself of that pre-Trump, but not now.

      Wouldn’t she hand the nomination to Romney if she jumps in? The Social-con vote gets split 5 ways, and Romney, as the only rino, is pretty much assured that he will accumulate enough delegates to win.

      And does she really want to put the new grandchild and young wife through the wringer that the rest of the family has been through? Surely not.

      Now, based on my past prognostication sucesses, she will probably declare today.

    • tranquil.night says:

      She delivers every time she gets swarmed by the cameras now; always on target and message. Steady strength? Who the hell else on our side has been put through a comparable public anal exam and survived? Probably only Rush, and yet she’s still thriving like him. She may prove not to be electable anymore like him, but I love the fact that she’s not just giving into that notion, because she is a power within the movement whatever she’s doing.

      So to me, playing coy with the MBM about potentially running is more than just being a tease, it’s serving as by far the most effective campaign strategy given her circumstances. And I’d argue that it’s also more effective than any of the declared candidates to this point (including Bachmann’s retail caucus politicking machine) – except Perry, who’s mirroring a lot of Sarah’s unconventional new media tactics with similarly great success. Why do I think showing up the MBM is important, if not central, to this race? Because whoever is going to be our nominee has to learn to get ahead and effectively deal with a mainstream narrative based in falsehoods – for the ENTIRE duration of their presidency – and she’s the only one with a demonstrated ability now to consistently figure out the secret to doing so: which is you stop caring what they think, you understand that they will always be out to destroy you, and start framing the discussion on your terms regardless – and you do it with a smile.

      Plus, she just defended Perry, a potential rival while all the other declared candidates are busy having their cliques take stupid little junior high gossip shots at eachother. How’s that for delivering for the good of the team?

      And Pro, bluntly I’m hoping the latter half of your analysis is wrong because the traditional statistical demographics aren’t going to be as much in play this election. But they will be if we choose a candidate who embraces that Rovian mentality that you have to reach out to all these seperate groups with special promises to do what they want, rather than speak to everybody universally from the platform of what’s True.

      You were once the man who lectured me about healthy competition and how the best candidates will rise to it, when I was sounding the alarm that Donald was going off the deep end.

      There’s no actual data to suggest that with Perry, Bachmann, Palin, Cain, and Santorum in the race that you’ll end up with a split SoCon vote and the majority going to Romney – that’s just assumed conventional wisdom among the Ruling Class because identity politics is like a religion to them. With everyone but Palin in so far, Perry is now still emerging as a clear frontrunner. To me that indicates with all these quality Conservatives in, the electorate is shifting rightwards, and they will consolidate around he or she whom they think is turning out to be the strongest.

      I’ll conclude by offering my opinion that trying to predict primary outcomes is more junk science than ‘statistical’ social studies. It’s based on very poorly charted and volatile trends. The only reason it somewhat works is because the twin establishments of the Evil and Stupid Parties have convinced Conservatives that if they’re active in politics then they have to be apart of all these dumb little static sub-cultural groups which can be managed and pitted against eachother so that no actual Constitutional Conservative ever can unite enough support to take on whoever the next-in-line establishment Republican safe choice is. The Left is never as wedged as we are; of course that’s because it’s much easier to buy blocs of votes with dependency and pandering than to win them independently buy telling people what you aren’t going to do for them and instead are going to let them do for themselves.

      This campaign in particular is very dynamic. It has had several chapters already where conventional wisdom has risen and crumbled. That is good, it’s prevented the MBM from establishing a narrative to counter the energy inherent to this race. People are determined to get this disaster regime out of office. Everybody involved in it has brought a substantive perspective which has added to the overall discussion directing the momentum of the entire movement. Even the trouble-maker Trump (but for God’s sake, please stay out now). Well, Ron Paul is going off the deep end again too, but I have a whole nother rant reserved for the Liberal-tarians.

      We don’t know what Sarah can bring to the table as a candidate in terms of helping to shape the debate and the competition, just like we didn’t know if Michele’s campaign had any prayer of gaining traction given its unconventionality. I think Sarah will bring many needed positives which will hopefully rub off on the final winner, even if it isn’t her. But if all I think matters is how the Ruling Class’ polling leads the Political Class to spin conventional wisdom for the purpose of manipulating how we vote and conduct OUR primary, then I think we’re doomed no matter who we choose. Because at the end of the day we’re still conceding that the Ruling Class has the ultimate power to shape political circumstances, and thus opinion. So why bother? Let’s settle with Romney now, save ourselves the headache of watching them all poke eachother in the eye, and give him free reign with his finances to launch his populist anti-Obama retail ads from now until next November without impunity.

    • proreason says:

      I agree that Sarah, and now Perry, have changed the game, but I don’t think it is so dramatic that she would be willing to jump into a pool of 4 other candidates with such similar views.

      She now has a brand to protect which probably has at least a little impact on her decision. She is 47, with plenty of time to become president if that is indeed her ambition. And she already gets credit for being a rock for the last year. It was an important role that she played magnificantly, even more on the personal and strategic sides than the policy side. But if she is consumed by being president in 2012, wouldn’t she have acted differently? How could she have resisted declaring so long? Now, if she jumps into a situation where she is likely not to win, it will diminish her prospects for future races.

      I think what she is weighing is whether or not she is the only person who can defeat Obama, and with every passing day, that seems less and less likely. She knows that she is the most electric, and hence most devisive candidate. But now Perry has electicity of his own. And Bachmann is gathering steam. If the economy was middling along, Sarah’s negatives might be outweighed by her ability to be a game-changer. But the economy is sinking. If it sinks far enough, even a nut like ol pro might be able to get elected. In other words, it doesn’t look like the country needs her today. As it looks now, there are several candidates who can defeat Obama. Why take a personal risk when it isn’t necessary? And why risk muddying, rather than clarifying, the waters.

      If Perry stumbles in the next month, and Bachmann hasn’t upped her game another notch, then Sarah will get in.

      Not now.

      Brought to you by someone whose success at prognostication is below zero.

    • tranquil.night says:

      “If Perry stumbles in the next month, and Bachmann hasn’t upped her game another notch, then Sarah will get in. Not now.”

      Actually I think you’re exactly right there; that is the prism through which I believe she is thinking, not just primarily for personal ambition. The big secret to Sarah Palin that the MBM will never accept is she genuinely seems motivated by a humble servant’s heart. Someone like her the Socialist’s would make their greatest champion if she weren’t a supply-side Conservative.

      There are legitimate challenges which like you said could muddy the race for a strong candidate, and she seems to be well aware of this too, which is exactly why she hasn’t rushed to declare I think. But to all the cynics, no matter what she’s either gonna declare a long-shot candidacy because she’s an attention-ho or she’s gonna gonna keep teasing everybody by not announcing because she’s an attention-ho. It doesn’t factor for her. She’s only concerned with her brand inasmuch as it can aid the Conservative Re-Awakening. If Perry or Bachmann can carry that mantle, and then Marco Rubio in 2020, my guess would be that she would humbly rally to all of them, as she rallied to Carly Fiorina and Kelly Ayotte when political judgment told her they were the strongest electable candidates, and as she rallied to Christine O’Donnell because Republican primary voters said they wanted nothing to do with Mike Castle despite that she wasn’t the strongest electable candidate.

      I respect your prognostication Pro now that I’ve read more of your reasoning. With recent events I’m beginning to see the potential for a stellar (or at least easily winnable) leader emerging. However I still think that all of them combined might make one barely passable Reagan, not that I’m one of those looking for his body to be reanimated as much as his mind and spirit.

      Sarah remains the most tested and experienced solid Conservative advocate of the bunch, on top of IMO being the most independent thinker and decision maker able to act outside conventional political sway. I’ve personally wanted her to declare since gosh, probably before the 2010 shellacking. But she’s impressed me all the more with how relevant a competitor and all-around influence she’s maintained by merely expressing interest.

    • sticks says:

      Obama has reduced himself in public from (the image of) being president to the reality of being a sweaty carnival barker in a cheap suit. The question is not who can beat him, but who can beat Romney. I believe that Pro is right and yet Sarah is probably the hardest politician to predict, maybe because her motives are not the same as others. Romney will certainly be the mbm’s pick for us.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Le me tell you what I know.


      Politics doesn’t make any sense to me because We The People seem to be extraneous to the outcome.

  4. Mithrandir says:


    Janeane Garofalo, Rachael Maddow: Two unattractive failures in acting and liberal radio, make up for it by being insulting political hacks.

    Chris Matthews: Can’t get Tea Party and race off of the brain. It’s the great white guilt syndrome that plagues him I suspect.

    Ron Paul: the 13th floor of a hotel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUXBz6AGJFM

    Liberal Awards: When it comes to homosexuality, or liberalism, they can’t get a trophy case large enough to hold all of their honors.
    Seriously, look at gay themed movies, music, talk shows, politicians, and other liberal ideologues, and see how many awards they get. Lesbian women in Hollywood fall down a flight of stairs, and the next day, they get a trophy in the mail, “Best free fall of any actress” –so brave! Congratulations!

    Obama Vacations 2010:http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/president_obama_year_in_numbers_gmxQqJMk9n4XBqb3OzBsnN

    Wisconsin: If the Republicans don’t hurry and get other bills passed there, they will lose their opportunity to do so, (a la: the George Bush years 2001-2006) and take back their state.

  5. Melly says:

    Facebook friend Governor Jan Brewer – her post that was censored yesterday by Facebook is back up. Here’s what went down (from her FB page):

    After I posted the following statement and photo yesterday, Facebook censored the post and removed it because the photo apparently violated their “Facebook Community Standards.” Before it was removed, it had received over 10,000 likes and comments.

    Regardless, I’m reposting the photo and statement. I think many of you will agree with me – – Obama’s backdoor amnesty plan violates American standards of following the rule of law and the US Constitution.

    Please click “like” and share with your friends.


    The Obama administration cannot get its amnesty schemes through Congress, so now it has resorted to implementing its plans via executive fiat. There’s simply no other description for today’s announcement that the federal government will not pursue the deportation of individuals who are in the country illegally but meet certain criteria.

    This plan amounts to backdoor amnesty for hundreds of thousands – if not millions – of illegal aliens. Especially disturbing is that it comes in the wake of the Obama administration sanctioning the sale of weapons to Mexican drug cartels – even as border states such as Arizona come under threat from those same illicit organizations. With this announcement, the President is encouraging more illegal immigration at the exact moment we need federal focus on border security.

    Just last month in speaking to the National Council of La Raza, President Obama rejected the idea of bypassing Congress and imposing immigration reform. He said, “Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. And believe me, right now dealing with Congress, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting … But that’s not how our system works. That’s not how our democracy functions. That’s not how our Constitution is written.”

    President Obama got it right last month and got it really wrong today.

    Over the next 15 months, I’m certain we’ll hear a lot of talk from the Obama administration about its concern for border security. Those of us who truly care about the rule of law will remember the President’s actions of today. We need to remind President Obama that we elected a president that serves beneath the law and did not anoint a king that is above the law.

  6. Tater Salad says:

    Captain Barack Obama and his new movie that will be coming out just before election time in 2012 to help him get re-elected. The country is in debt with no plan from the President except for the one he wrote on the palm of his hand. Stay tuned! The economy is getting better as he tells us, the jobs picture is getting better as he tells us and the rich are getting richer, including Nancy Pelosi. What more could a person ask for that has been laid-off for the 3 years of his Presidency. It must be George Bush’s fault……..again because it couldn’t be Barack Obama’s. He is just so smart. Even without his tele-prompters. How is that “Hope & Change” thing working out for you now?

    1. http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/08/exclusive-first-look-at-obama-osama.html

    2. Captain Bullshit at his best:

    3. http://weaselzippers.us/2011/08/07/white-house-working-with-hollywood-to-release-bin-laden-movie-to-counter-obamas-image-problem-before-election/

  7. proreason says:

    Would Obama not run if he concluded that would be best for the Democrats?

    Hillary probably has a better chance to be elected at this point. She might also prevent a landslide in the Senate which is looking pretty good to reverse Obamycare and the financial “reform” payoff bill. That might also prevent needed tax cuts. She would re-energize the kooks. Hotair uber-rino Ed Morrissey speculates…


    lol. just kidding.

    Why would Obamy give even a moments thought to what might be best for the country or marxism’s dim-witted liberal allies.

    Chances of it happening. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Zed.

  8. GetBackJack says:

    Blog many of you will enjoy http://marylousamerica.com/

  9. sticks says:

    GBJ if we were extraneous then the president amd congress would just shove their agenda down our throat even if they knew it was unpopular. Which is of course exactly what they are doing, but if we were totally extraneous they wouldn’t even bother to have the propaganda arm spin everything to keep the faithful in line and hopefully sway some of the others, you know, the ones wo are too busy eating Big Macks and watching sitcoms to find out whats really going on. After all the government will take care of everything.

  10. Melly says:

    So Rick Perry released his college grades…maybe Perry can pull a “Trump” and force Barry to release his college grades. http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/huffpo-obtains-perrys-college-transcript/

    A girl can dream……….

  11. proreason says:

    I’ll take a grade school dropout, as long as he or she has worked for a living at some point in life.

    Part-time Civil Rights Advocacy instructor doesn’t count.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Pro, do you remember Mr. Buckley’s famous 200 Names?

      Two Thousand Names. I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.

      1963 statement, as quoted in The Quote Verifier : Who Said What, Where, and When (2006) by Ralph Keyes, p. 82

      Variant: I would rather be governed by the first two thousand people in the Boston telephone directory than by the two thousand people on the faculty of Harvard University.

      Meet the Press (1965), as quoted in The Quote Verifier : Who Said What, Where, and When (2006) by Ralph Keyes, p. 82
      The numbers cited in paraphrases of this quote often vary from 100 to 2000.

      Unsourced variant: I would rather be governed by the first 2000 names in the Boston phone book than by the 2000 members of the faculty of Harvard University.

      I, too would rather see Congress as a sampling of 532 names drawn at random from across America than the insipid, clownish brute criminals who get elected today. That is, until the Party of Power figured out how to get Diebold to rig the random sampling.

  12. GetBackJack says:

    Sticks – Kabuiki Theater requires the audience to be rapt with involved attention as the actors carry out their assigned roles in dramatizing myths, legends, tragedies and comedies through highly stylized movements and dances. The entire exercise is both an apologetic and a vindication for the arcane shadow play that the American people want to believe they participate it. We call it Congress rather than Kabuki.

    When I was a child my father got me a toy steering wheel for when we were in his car together. It attached to the dash by a suction cup. Because this was long long ago and far away – I stood upon the front seat and gripped my steering wheel and boy did I drive that car! LEFT! Accelerate, brake, RIGHT!!, hold’er steady … boy I drove and drove and drove …..

    ….. all the while the man who owned the car took us where he wanted to go despite my excited and well meaning participation.

  13. Chase says:

    Saw this, surprisingly linked to GoogleNews, from Hartford, CT:

    “President Barack Obama launched a kinetic action against history last week. Obama, who warbles some whiny notes when his fortunes curdle, claimed while touring the Midwest on Tuesday that his critics are worse than those martyred Abraham Lincoln faced before and during the crucible of the Civil War. “Lincoln,” said the president in Iowa, “they used to talk about him almost as bad as they talk about me.”

    The invective Lincoln endured retains the power to disgust 150 years after the nation’s ordeal began. Many newspapers seemed to have kept in permanent type “hideous baboon,” “imbecile,” “gorilla and “Illinois ape” to describe our 16th president.

    A president does not heal the planet or just preside over a substantial reduction in unemployment by putting himself at the center of a touring pity party. His Ivy League education tells Obama that Greek finances and the miseries visited upon one region of Japan this year are keeping millions of Americans out of work. Call the Columbia University bursar and ask for a tuition refund. Some economics professor cheated the president 30 years ago.

    Obama is racking up some hefty numbers on the contradiction leader board. He bangs on about the need for tax increases months after signing an extension of the tax cuts George W. Bush saw enacted in his first term. Those rate reductions, Democrats claimed for years, were unnecessary and contributed to deficits and disparities in wealth. A veto would have allowed the president to take more from people he says don’t need what they’ve earned.”


  14. artboyusa says:

    According to me,the great prophet who is still awaiting the big Mondale landslide he predicted in ’84, Obama is toast. But he’ll only stay toast if we can put forward a serious candidate who has energy, who has conservative ideas, who has a record of solid achievement, who can’t be portayed as a nutbag and who doesn’t remind people of Bush. That means no RINOs (sorry, Mitten), no ego trippers (sorry, Sarah. Sorry, Michelle), no Libertarians (sorry, Ron) and no Texans (sorry, Rick). I think it means Paul Ryan…right now, he’s my guy.

    • proreason says:

      You want the 2012 election to be about Social Security and Medicare?

      When Obama has added $5 trillion in useless debt and turned the presidency into rule by executive fiat….fiats that 60-70% of the country oppose? Not to mention unemployment and the Obamy Depression.

      I mean, Ryan’s kind of a hero, but if he is nominated, all of Obamy’s now-notorious failures are washed away and the election will be strictly about rabid Wall Streeters stealing Grandma’s lunch money. It’s the marxists fondest wish.

      You must want to lose badly.

    • artboyusa says:

      No Pro, I want to WIN badly because I think 2012 will be a crucial year; our last chance to turn the barbarians back from the gates, and I can’t see any of the so far announced GOP candidates either winning or doing a good job if, by some miracle, they did. I want a serious, conservative person who will serve America, that’s all, and it shouldn’t be beyond our powers as a political and social force to find one and put him or her forward, but so far we haven’t done that. Its been losers like Romney, stale leftovers like Newt and 15 minute celebrities like Michele. We need to do better or we will lose…and I don’t want to lose. Plus, just for once I’d like to vote FOR a Republican and not just against his opponent…

    • proreason says:

      Noble concepts, artboy, but opening the SS can of worms isn’t the way to do it. Brilliant as Ryan is on fiscal matters, what % of the country will actively listen…the 20% already interested, or do you think it might get as high as 22%?

      I’m serious too. At first, I thought Ryan would be a great candidate, but once I read from somewhere what I’ve written to you, it became very clear to me that this is not the year for him. In fact, I’m concerned that passing the Ryan budget may already be so dangerous that it can’t be overcome. I thought it was dumb when they did it. Still dumb.

      If Perry can be Palanized, and Christie sticks with not running or alienates the base with too much AGW-is-real nonsense, than Romney may be the only viable choice.

      I’m just trying to be realistic about it.

    • Right of the People says:


      I agree that we need someone new and different. I’ll throw out a name that could be the anti-Obama and just what we need, retired army Colonel and now congressman Allen West. What a conundrum for black voters having to chose between two of their “brothers” although if history tells us anything they’ll probably still vote for the boy king even though he hasn’t done squat for them.

    • proreason says:

      Paul Ryan says no.


      There was an earlier report that Ryan and Christie had discussed one of them running, so it’s now possible Christie will change his mind.

      But if Christie makes SS / Medicare reform a centerpiece, it would be just as big a mistake.

      The theme needs to be to reverse the Obama regime….unemployment, 5 trillion in new debt, lack of growth, skyrocketing energy and food costs, Obamycare, bureuacracy buildup, welfare state, stangling regulations, anti-business culture, incessant demands for new taxes, class warfare, putting our kids in hock for life, apologizing for America, alienating our friends and coddling our enemies, rule by executive fiat, rule of lawlessness, incompetance, cluelessness. That’s a winning strategy. Social Security is the surest way to pull a loss out of the hat.

    • Howard Roark says:

      Ugghhh….just read PR’s Weekly Standard piece posted above. Alas, my hopes were just dashed, but I still try to look on the positive side. He (Ryan) will probably end up doing more good where he is in the House for now. The real engine of change is in the Congress, anyway.

      If the man-child that currently plays while Rome burns wins again, we pray that Ryan, West, Bachman, et al will thwart his designs and form a stronger force than we hoped for with the104th Congress which wooed us so.

    • Petronius says:

      Not surprised to read that it was Karl Rove attempting to play kingmaker with Ryan.

      Rove is like an old sitting hen; he criticizes every Tea Party candidate who comes along and won’t budge an inch … seems nobody is a good-enough Republican for Rove unless Rove picks him.

    • proreason says:

      What might happen if Rove begins to hurt O’reilly’s ratings?

      Maybe Bill will decide it’s all ok since Karl is bringing balance to his show.

  15. Reality Bytes says:

    Another RB epiphany! Not MSM; instead FMM “Flash Mob Media”.

    Stop looking for the candidate that the FMM will accept. They will knock down, trash & burn who ever they are. Instead, we need to have what liberals call their mob mentality (thank you Ann, “Demonic” your new book is delightful), A CONVERSATION.

    That means everyone. Palin, Perry, Romney, Paul, Ryan, Rush, Levin, etc, etc. The Flash Mob Media, the Washington Establishment & liberals in general don’t know what is about to come over them.

    And if you really want to tick them off, remind them that since they threw God out, He’s been our side so as The Good Book Says, “If the Lord is with us, Who can stand against Us.” Trust me, they hate that.

  16. rakkasan says:

    President keeps low profile on Martha’s Vineyard


    “Brooks, a longtime islander, acknowledged that she’s been disappointed with the president at times, but nonetheless supports him. She recalled knocking on doors for Obama in subzero temperatures – on her wedding anniversary, no less – before the New Hampshire primary in 2008. On at least one occasion, Brooks said, a Granite State resident answered the door and she could see an assault rifle lying on the couch”.

    Kind of a strange paragraph in an article. I doubt that a “Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist” could tell the difference between a shotgun, a rifle, and an assault rifle. And even if so, so what? Did she see something illegal? Just seemed kind of stupid and out of place. Just trying to get the scary gun thing in there, I guess.

  17. xdannyh says:

    This is supposed to be a reply? to proreason’s piece about what if Obamy decided not to run. Well it got my mind a wandering ( a beatles lyric?) and it is a horrific thought, but is it above the level to which the power thirsting leftists, who possible can see that their grip on the destruction of America is at hand. Well we shall see: Here’s the Scenario….The Leftists set up the assassination of the president and blame it on the radical right…. Biden declares martial law (domestic violence), confiscates all gold and silver, bans all ammunition sale, illegalizes hording, shuts down all media not in the public interest (bye bye S&L), and bans all public gatherings without an appropriate permit. After acting in the best interests of the country during time of anarchy he promises not to run for the presidency in 12 as his duty is done. Hillary rides to the rescue of the D party proclaiming that she is the only one who can “bring America together again” Media goes ape, Hill wins the presidency in a Landslide, both houses of congress and a lock on 8 years of power with all those wonderful Supreme Court nominations to be made and radified.
    Tea party effectively destroyed….. Not a bad outcome for one martyr made. Can it happen….well some people think that Oswald acted alone.

  18. artboyusa says:

    Well, Ryan’s out – dammit! I like Allen West and I really like Christie but its too soon for West and Christie has said he won’t do it so that leaves us where? Obama’s presidency is dead in the water but if we can’t put a winner out there, we can still lose. Imagine how January 2013 would feel if that happens…aaarrgghhh!!! Four more years! Thousand year Reich!!! We gotta keep that from happening and that means finding our best people and putting them forward – but who and where are they???

    BTW, if Michele Bachman hasn’t got enough savvy to avoid an obvious set up and not have her picture taken putting a foot long sausage into her mouth (did you see that picture?) then she hasn’t got enough savvy to be president either.

    • Illusions says:

      Allen West said shortly after Ryan’s announcement that he intends to stay in his house seat and not run for any others for the time being. So he is out of the consideration for Pres. too.

    • JohnMG says:

      artboy; How many gotcha moments has Obama (or Biden, Emanuel, Gibbs Carney, Pelosi, Reid……this list is almost endless) had prominently, or otherwise, displayed by the MSM? It is a given that the political paprazzi in the liberal press will lurk in the shadows and pounce on any unguarded moment by a conservative candidate, and if they can’t get one legitimately they will photo-shop something as they did with McCains picture on the Newsweek(?) cover.

      This is a political reality that anyone from the right must live with. It’s not fair. It’s not accurate. It’s not morally acceptable. But when has the left ever considered any of the aforementioned to be germaine when it comes to advancing their agenda?

      We must avoid the trap of letting the media define us and our principles through hype, diversion, and outright lies, or we’ll find all of our candidates unacceptable, if only by their definition.

    • proreason says:

      I’m with John. It’s impossible to live a life and not do things that the make believe media will distort. A person has to eat, and every piece of food isn’t round, and even if it was, they would put it in a wide angle lens.

      The picture says NOTHING about Bachmann, but everything about the media.

    • proreason says:

      It’s either Romney or Perry. Get used to it.

      Both are 1 million percent better than Obama.

      The question now is which one has the better chance to win.

      At the moment, I’d say Romney, but the next month could change that. It’s kind of in Perry’s hands (or mouth). Not likely Romney will go into attack mode so early.

      Christie is the only game changer left. But what would compel him to run at this point? Romey has the rino faction covered. Perry has the Tea Party faction covered. Where would Christie go? Ann Coulter only has one vote.

      All Palin would do would be to split the Perry vote and hand the nomination to Romney. Even if she does run, she can’t win. But I saw an interesting theory the other day that she might run just to remain viable. It’s possible I suppose. But what’s to make anybody think she has the fire in her belly? Really, she was an unknown four short years ago. To go from that point to someone desperate to be president seems remote to me. On the other hand, she sure does seem active at the moment.

  19. artboyusa says:

    Don’t eat the sausage, that’s all they have to remember. Just say no. And avoid pistols, rifles, cowboy hats, kilts and Klan robes (actually, that didn’t seem to do Bobby Byrd much harm). JFK famously wouldn’t wear ethnic or unusual headgear because he once saw a picture of Coolidge looking ridiculous in a Sioux warbonnet. Just don’t go there, if you’re in politics. There’s nothing to be gained except ridicule. That Bachman picture went around the world in seconds and, sorry, its her fault. She should know better (I bet she knows now). The photographers were just doing their creepy, underhanded job.

    • JohnMG says:

      Once we start down that path what do we have left? Pawlenty avoided all (or most) of what you list, and the concensus was “He’s too bland to be president”. McCain wouldn’t tear a strip off of Obama’s ass when he had the chance and a lot of good it did him. (I’m no McCain fan, but he would have been better than the Won.) Reagan was openly NRA. Did that hurt him? JFK was another media star who wished to create his own illusion, abetted by a willing press…..the first “first narcissist”. He was largely unsuccessful even though he had a fawning press carrying his water much the same as this boob has enjoyed.

      Face it. We don’t have anyone (nor will you find) anyone that the left won’t caicatureize, unless we bring out a completely unknown or noncommittal candidate. Then they will demonize them for that. Why are we more concerned with fielding a candidate of which the left will approve? That person doesn’t exist. The lefties are a bunch of assholes to begin with and they aren’t loath to demonstrate it.

      The last time the country voted for a candidate they were too lazy to vet and who seemed too good to be true, that turned out to be the case. I’m tired of holding my substantial nose and voting against the other guy instead of FOR someone of whom the “left” and the media (I know, a redundancy) deem proper. I hate those bastards and want a candidate that feels the same way Compromise is the art of giving up what you aren’t strong enough to keep anyway.

      Not playing at all is worse than playing nice or appearing ineffectual……at least in my book.

    • Right of the People says:


      I’m with you. We need someone at the moment who maybe doesn’t have a chance at getting the nomination but is visible enough to get enough media coverage to tell the unvarnished truth about the moron in the White House.

      The conventions are nearly a year away and there is a lot that can happen between now and then. I think anybody who has declared this early is setting themselves up for a possible fall since it gives the Lame Steam Media plenty of time to sharpen their knives and gather any tiny factiod that might prove useful in taking them down. If I were running I wouldn’t declare until just before the first primaries, at the most 45 to 60 days before and come out smoking.

      If McCain had just used the ammo he had he might have derailed Jug Ears and we wouldn’t be in this mess right now. He never said boo about Obozo’s relationships with Wright and Alinsky. He didn’t have to make anything up, just tell the truth but he felt it was below him.

      In a way I admire his dignity but he must realize that politics is a dirty, rotten, filthy business and if you’re going to get involved, there’s no half measures. If you’re involved, you’re already up to you neck in the crap so might as well start slinging.

  20. Reality Bytes says:

    I nominate Mr. Ed! Compared to Obama he’s the real thing!

  21. tranquil.night says:

    This is the most predictable doom in the History of doom. If rank political amateurs including a non-college educated twenty-something with his finger up his nose can figure out how the game works and the Tea Party can deliver a historic electoral shellacking to the Ruling Class, then it’s going to take a special breed of stupid and/or corrupt for the Republican candidate to throw this election.

    Charlie Sheen could beat Obama, and it is only going to be even worse for him and the rest of the country as time goes on. So I want the strongest, most forward-thinking, most articulate, and most honest Conservative to throw her hat in to steal the show from these other goofball governors who mostly sat on the sidelines for the past 3 years, and I want her to do it to spite all those conventional political wisdom gurus that want to dictate how a campaign is going to unfold, as much as I want her to do it because I know the competition is going to have to elevate themselves to her even if she can’t ultimately win the nomination.

  22. sticks says:

    We sould change the old saying to “hell hath no fury like the media for a truly conservative candidate.” any person I would like to see in office would be someone the media cannot manipulate and therefore someone they hate, someone they will attack will a blind fury which has nothing to do with facts or their bonafides and every thing to do with their (the media and liberals in general) lust for power. They would rather destroy this country (if they could) than loose power. Because the 2012 elections are such a fork in the road look for the liberals to pull out all the stops and do anything they think they can get away with.
    GBJ I’m not sure I understand, are you saying that it’s all theater? That the fix is in and our vote doesn’t matter? I hope thats not true, if it were true it would mean that all the; screaming, crying, hand wringing, finger pointing invective of the left is just a distraction, like a magician waving a wand to distract you from what he’s really doing. Living in the state of Washington I have seen up close the truth that “Democrats don’t have to win they just have to get close”, but can they swing a landslide? I think they will do anything possible to prevent that. I pray they don’t have that much power yet.

  23. TerryAnne says:

    Anyone else get all shaky yesterday? Hope all is well.

  24. tranquil.night says:

    Belling is talking to Governor Walker the Wisconsin Ranger about all the budgetary and education reform success in the State.

    Wow is all I have to say. Roundhouse!

  25. proreason says:

    Important article by Ace.

    Read past the polling data. That’s interesting but not the most important part.


    He makes the point that a successful candidate has to have some non-ideological appeal. Not everybody is ideological, so it helps a lot to be somebody people can relate to, from a state that has had successes, to be a proven executive, etc. He says the Moron won 35% on ideology and 17% on other things (i.e., he was black and not revealed as a con man marxist). He points out that Bachmann will have difficulty winning votes beyond her ideological base because she hasn’t done much in electoral politics. He says Perry is doing well vs Romney because independents can find something to like.

    It’s a great point.

    Of course, it can work the opposite (although Ace doesn’t say that). Some NE moderates may reject Perry because of his accent or Bachmann because whe has 5 kids.

    All in all, Perry would seem to be the ideological candidate with the most appeal in non-ideological areas: good-looking, regular guy, doesn’t have a Ron Paul squeeky voice, from a state that is doing relatively well and has data to prove it, has never lost an election, former pilot, Eagle Scout, wasn’t born with a golden spoon, relatively scandal-free, telegenic, seems strong and capable. I would guess that he is about equal to Romney in such matters. But Perry also is not a mormon, did not legislate RomneyCare and is not a consultant who made his living while putting a lot of people out of work.

    On the surface, Ace’s analysis makes Perry look better than I thought before, which the poll supports. If he can avoid being crushed by the rising Palinization then he has a shot at getting elected.

  26. Melly says:

    Tea Party Mourns Death of Philly Cheesesteak Legend

    The Tea Party is mourning the death of Philadelphia cheesesteak magnate Joey Vento, who over the past few years had earned a national reputation for his outspoken views on illegal immigration and other issues.

    Vento, the founder of the famed Geno’s Steaks, died Tuesday from a heart attack. He was 71.

    The Independence Hall Tea Party Association released a statement describing him as a “great friend of the conservative cause and the Tea Party movement.”

    “Joey Vento was, and will always be, an inspiration to the cause of freedom and liberty,” association President Teri Adams said.

    Vento was a local legend for decades, operating his popular sandwich shop across the street from arch-rival Pat’s. He stirred controversy in 2006 when he posted a sign in his restaurant telling customers to “speak English” when ordering. The sign prompted a discrimination complaint — which was later dismissed — but as Vento fought it he emerged in the media as somewhat of a conservative pundit.

    The Independence Hall Tea Party Association had named him their “Patriot of the Year” in 2011. Vento regularly spoke at their events. During his July 4 acceptance speech, he railed against the problem of illegal immigration as well as the new federal health care overhaul.

    The Independence Hall Tea Party Association covers Pennsylvania, Delaware and New Jersey.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/24/tea-party-mourns-death-philly-cheesesteak-legend/#ixzz1Vzekxmnf

  27. tranquil.night says:

    Davis is covering Jonah’s piece today: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/275591/my-rick-perry-problem-and-ours-jonah-goldberg with which I agree 1000% and have lamented before as well.

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