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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, August 26th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

20 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. pamypo says:

    Several weeks ago, we talked on this site about a general officer of the US military saying we got the man responsible for shooting down the seals helocopter. I just finish reading a note from another general of the US military the man got away. Our Geneal have learned well,. a liar goes far in the Obama white house. Is OSB really dead? Where is Joe Wilson when you need him?

  2. Mithrandir says:

    GET ON A JURY! –for the love of G*d our governments have all lost their mind!

    Thief’s family awarded $300,000: http://www.gazette.com/articles/jury-123946-burglar-lot.html#ixzz1WAJvzqf5
    (not criminally charged, there should be no civil case allowed–period, thank you gov’t who supports the lawyer lobby)

    Police stupidity on flashing your headlights: (get on a jury!) http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/207550/250/FHP-sued-for-giving-out-illegal-tickets

    Police shut down another tea stand: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/25/massachusetts-state-police-shutdown-twelve-year-olds-green-tea-stand/

    STOP AVOIDING JURY DUTY! get on, and punish the gov’t and reward the people. Liberals who love big gov’t will always side with gov’t. The freedom loving people who hate gov’t, will always find an excuse to avoid jury duty……makes no sense at all.

    • Petronius says:

      I would rather be deep-fried in peanut oil than be tried before a modern multi-kulti American jury.

      Many years ago, as a young law student working in Legal Aid, I remember helping to defend a client who recognized two of his former cellmates on the jury.

      Members of the jury pool are drawn willy-nilly from driver’s license or voting lists, and in practice no real checks are made to ensure that the people in the pool — and those counted off to serve in voir dire — are not senile, psychotic, deaf, semi-illiterate, racists, illegal aliens, or themselves criminals or lawyers. Some cannot understand proper English and are illiterate even in their own native languages. Most lack basic competence to understand technical, scientific, business, or financial evidence. They cannot comprehend large numbers, and award unreasonable sums as civil damages. They are completely unpredictable.

      Mind you, these are the same people who elect our governments. Most of them have inhaled the Liberal Death Wish until their brains are scrambled.

  3. Chase says:

    Thanks for posting those stories, Mithrandir. All travesties by current gov’t and small-minds vested with too much authority.

    I am embarrassed for my adopted home town in the first case – and shocked at the awards being considered in both of the first two instances. A meth stoned burglar climbs over a fence into an auto lot looking for something to steal to get his next fix, and is shot by the owners, who had been suffering a string of robberies to their property. They are not charged with anything, but in a civil case, the daughter of the dead meth head is awarded nearly $260K (plus court costs) for lost earnings and lost companionship. A meth head? These guys did society a favor, just with what incarceration and drug treatment would have cost him for this offense (with all likelihood he would be a recidivist anyway.) However, the stinker in the case is that protecting THEIR property gave them no protection, their future earnings as businessmen were not considered – a meth head’s short life span is given greater consideration than a person’s property and livelihood… perhaps one is true, but this is just another instance of people in a jury sliding the common perception further to the left in assuming that property rights are meaningless, and the business owners/entrepreneurs are inherently evil.

    This 2nd case, a woman/mother of three, who jaywalks for absence of a crosswalk but for one 1/2 a mile down the road, and a 2-time half blind hit-and-run driver under the influence kills one of her kids. Does the city pay for a crosswalk to mitigate the community’s long clamor for one at the intersection? No, some self-righteous prosecutor looking to make a name and trump up his record, because lawyers pass tests, go to school, and therefore should rule, decides to prosecute her for her behavior which killed her child, and she gets a year’s probation!? The cost of court, the aggravated assault on this mourning mother by an over-zealous, out-of-line prosector, and there is still a dead child, traumatized family, a 3-time hit and run driver off scot-free, and still no crosswalk. Society offends me.

    • Mithrandir says:

      JURY NULLIFICATION—even the O.J. jury saw the logic in this one…..

      When the people finally realize, they can nullify any law from the jury box, then the gov’t will stop prosecuting people to get a “W” in their win column.

      Don’t like the health care law? Lemonade stand law? Drunk driving laws? Marijuana laws? Get on a jury and vote the defendant innocent and set them free.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Amen, Mithrandir, amen.

  4. GetBackJack says:

    I know of no nightmare scenario more critical, more Right Now, more overwhelming to the point most people shrug and say “So what?”.


    If you don’t watch this, don’t come to me later and say “Why didn’t I know this?”

    What sets apart this presentation is this isn’t a “What I Think Is Going On!” “Trust Me!” diatribe of fear mongering. Everything Tom Horn references is then cited on-screen with the published white papers, research papers, Findings, government funded think tank analysis, and in every instance, legitimately sourced.

    For you cynics, get past the folksy aw-shuck preacher background of this guy. This is, quite literally, the most serious s*** Mankind has ever faced, and it’s here, now and our toes are already over the edge of the cliff.

    On hearing – Officially – from the Jasons (Google them) that the United States has LESS THAN 18 months to achieve at minimum, parity with what’s already developed let alone what’s about to happen …. if that doesn’t curl your hair, check your pulse.

    • BillK says:

      BTW, Glenn Beck does the same detailed sourcing and he’s always derided as a conspiracy theorist. Go figure.

    • GetBackJack says:

      “One of the first things that President Obama did at the executive level as soon as he became president,” he says in “Trans-Humanism,” “[is] he overturned restrictions that had been put in place by President [George W.] Bush which would have prohibited federal dollars, American taxpayer money, flowing in to pay for experiments to be done on human-animal chimeras (combinations) and other forms of science such as stem-cell sciences – which is also important to the trans-humanist movement.

      “But what most of the public doesn’t realize is when we’re talking about stem-cell sciences, we’re almost always talking about the creation of a human-animal chimera from which those stem cells are being derived. But now, tax dollars in the United States from the federal level are flowing into thousands of laboratories.”

      — Stanford political scientist and author Francis Fukuyama, who reviewed emerging fields of science and the philosophy of trans-humanism

  5. Petronius says:

    This week we narrowly escaped three natural disasters: (1) the Mineral, Virginia earthquake, magnitude 5.8, which shook the East Coast, with its epicenter a stone’s throw from Dominion’s North Anna nuclear power plant; (2) the 5.5 magnitude earthquake at Cokedale, Colorado, which hit four Western States; and (3) Hurricane Irene, which petered-out at the last minute.

    Although we dodged these bullets, any one of them might have made Katrina look like child’s play. And each is a reminder that the US Treasury has nothing saved for a rainy day.

    The Federal government is unable to respond to the next crisis, foreign or domestic, because it is in debt up to its eyeballs.

    Consider that it has released part of the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserves. What if there were an oil price shock?

    Consider also that the Federal government has abandoned control of the Southern border to Mexican drug cartels, smugglers, and coyotes. That it no longer has the will to defend the country.

    Yet it has instead occupied itself with lawsuits against Arizona and Alabama, and inflicting injuries to South Carolina, Texas, and other States.

    Similarly, local governments are unable or unwilling to combat the flash mobs.

    Comparisons to the fall of Rome are everywhere.

    Could a collapse or dissolution of the United States possibly be in the cards? Is such a thing possible?

    We see mass riots and rebellions in other parts of the world. In North Africa, the Mid-East, and Asia. It is happening even in the UK. Are such events also possible here?

    Or are we become too much Nietzsche’s herd man — having lost the Will to Life, we are content just to exist and ruminate, so long as the Social Security checks keep coming in the mail?

    This is from an article by Paul Joseph Watson, “Pollster: Americans are ‘Pre-Revolutionary’”:

    “Americans’ lack of confidence in their leadership is so fervent that they are now ‘pre-revolutionary,’ according to pollster Pat Caddell. A new Rasmussen poll shows that just 17 per cent of Americans believe that the U.S. government has the consent of the governed, an all time low. This dovetails with a record low for Congress’ approval rating, which stands at a paltry 6 per cent, while 46 per cent of Americans think most members of Congress are corrupt, with just 29% believing otherwise.”


    The polls were taken before the US debt downgrade.

    The economy is poised on a knife’s edge.

    The stock markets are infected with fear.

    The Fed has moved from the printing press to the photocopier.

    Negative interest rates are eroding savings.

    Homes have lost one-third of their value.

    We have the lowest labor force participation rate for American men in modern history.

    Unemployment remains officially over 9% while the President keeps beating up employers.

    The true unemployment figure is 16%. And when we count those who have given up and stopped looking for work, it is about 20%.

    Physicians are beginning to announce that they will no longer accept Medicare patients effective in Jan 2013, when the Obamacare cuts take effect.

    We have a make-believe-media that is rotten to the core.

    We have abused old allies while pushing the “re-set button” for appeasement of enemies.

    We have class warfare, identity politics, special interests, and calls to silence conservative talk radio and to censor the internet.

    We have open homosexuality and calls for sexual license everywhere.

    We kill our own babies and grow our population through mass immigration.

    We freeze the environment in order to protect the spotted owl, the delta smelt, the sagebrush lizard, and the tiny Gulf seahorse — all done at tremendous cost to our economy and security.

    Only half of us pay taxes and only a tiny minority are willing to serve in the military.

    We have ideologically-strident Progressives versus angry, racist, terrorist, astroturf Tea Party Hobbits.

    We have violent labor unions versus State governments and taxpayers.

    We have Secularists and Muslims versus Christians and Jews.

    We have mercenary members of Congress who cultivate sweetheart deals with purveyors of subprime mortgages and Wall Street Bankers, and who are endlessly up to all kinds of monkey business.

    We have a President — too inept to play the fiddle — who golfs and feasts while the country burns.

    In Nerobama’s new America redistribution is fast becoming the law, so that innocent people (“the rich”) are demonized and treated as if they were criminals by those who work for the government. White Americans are publicly defined by the President as “enemies.” Predation on these Americans is standard government policy.

    Predation is not just legalized, but is institutionalized across society as the new standard of behavior for a Ruling Class elite that can impose its edicts based on whim, without reference to the Constitution or to existing law and custom.

    Without reference even to common decency.

    They have lost all sense of shame.

    We are governed by a Ruling Class oligarchy that ranks among the worst in the history of Western Civilization in terms of its stupidity, incompetence, corruption, tone-deafness and ideological blindness.

    It is at least the worst in this regard since the French aristocracy before the Revolution.

    Although it is not yet become so harsh as the Bolsheviks’ rule in Russia, or the Spanish occupation of the Low Countries.

    Quo vadis, America?

    • Mithrandir says:


      Every judge, prosecutor, police officer, gov’t official that ignores/abuses your rights, every person who violates / ignores the rights of others, and in every heart the light of freedom burns-out through indifference—that is when the cancer begins to crumble empires.

      Personally, I have seen the light of freedom burn out all around me in public and private minds. Like Sodom and Gomorrah, there is not one single public worker honest enough to make this country worth fighting for. And most private workers are out to screw you of every last dime in your pocket. Or they treat you in an interview like one of those sick elimination shows on television—cutting your heart and dignity out, and discarding you like yesterday’s garbage.

      Other than your family and friends, honestly, why is America worth saving? Isn’t it worth experiencing the fall of the 99.99% of the dirtbags in America, under the weight of their own corruption, bigotry, arrogance?

  6. proreason says:

    or to summarize in 4 words or less….”the plan is working”

  7. Illusions says:

    Tripoli, Libya (CNN) — Lockerbie bomber Abdel Basset al-Megrahi is comatose, near death and likely to take secrets of the attack on Pan Am Flight 103 to his grave.

    CNN found al-Megrahi under the care of his family in his palatial Tripoli villa Sunday, surviving on oxygen and an intravenous drip. The cancer-stricken former Libyan intelligence officer may be the last man alive who knows precisely who in the Libya government authorized the bombing, which killed 270 people.

    “We just give him oxygen. Nobody gives us any advice,” his son, Khaled Elmegarhi, told CNN.


    SO they found him again. And once more to no one’s surprise, he’s “Near Death”. Who from CNN “Found” him? Where is he? And how can he be “Near Death” when he was spotted at a pro-Qaddafi rally just days ago?


  8. sticks says:

    “Could a collapse or disolution of the United States be in the cards? It very well could be. Is it possible? Yes. No matter how well built the house if you erode it’s foundation away it will fall. Also as Jesus said “a kingdom divided against itself will fall.” And so we are. In this way we compare to the Weimar Republic which was filled with multitudes of political organizations many of which hated each other, yet they all seemed to have one thing in common; they hated the republic and felt that it was imposed upon them against their will. Herein lies the method of those who hate our constitution and the republic created by it. They will try to make it seem as though it has been unfairly imposed on everyone by evil rich white men and is the means by which they keep everone else poor. In order to give “hope” back to the poor we must “change” it.
    Abraham Lincoln once said “you can’t fool all the people all the time.” Unfortunately in a democracy (which they continually tell us we are) you don’t have to, all you have to do is fool enough of the people, create confusion and fear, add economic disastor, corrupt enough people who are allready in power. Let it cook for a while then add one savior, a person who says “I will save you, I will give you back the life of peace and plenty, I will make every thing fair, I will give you the life you allways dreamed of”. When the people are exhusted from violence in the street and economic hardship they will vote for him in droves (Adolf Hitlers method). In the mean time there is allways Stalins method “It doesn’t matter who votes, it only matters who counts the votes”
    America is not neccessarily doomed, but it will take a long hard battle to save her.

    • Mithrandir says:

      There are a few major problems with America:

      1. The public workers (politicians, police, courts, department workers etc.) are so confoundedly corrupt and stupid, it is only through another Noah’s flood that we are able to rid ourselves of them all. Factor in that they have so much power over our lives with no punishment for abusive / incompetent behavior = disaster.

      2. Every group hates each other. There are some conglomerations of differing groups, but typically, Americans can’t stand the sight of each other. EX: union buddy of mine absolutely sick that his union includes homosexuals, communists, wiccans, black activists, or anyone else they can get to rally at their headquarters. He is interested in worker’s rights, not massaging the egos of social misfits. When you get to conservative vs. liberal groups, the hatred goes of the hate-meter.

      3. Constitution is ignored, and we have huge problems with law, finance, morality. The Bible is ignored, and we have a society that is morally bankrupt and people can no longer find a place safe enough to move away to.

      Don’t worry too much about the debt and the crumbling of society. You can’t hold back a tsunami. It’s inevitable that the consequences of decades of corruption, moral decay, and general indifference will lead to total destruction.

    • Mae says:

      “When the people are exhusted from violence in the street and economic hardship they will vote for him in droves (Adolf Hitlers method).” Just to clear up a misstatement, sticks, Hitler was not voted into office. After a series of political machinations and the passage of acts against the German constitution, he was first appointed chancellor (1933) by Pres. Paul von Hindenburg and then after Hindenburg’s death (1934), replaced the government with a dictatorship. Few objected. It all slotted into place, pushed quickly by The Father of Lies.

      None of us should be surprised if it happens here. Riots and chaos have had some dry runs already. The opposition is rich and extremely deadly. They work for the same Father of Lies.

    • Mithrandir says:


      I don’t understand why people, exhusted from violence in the street and economic hardship vote for politicians cut from the same cloth! –yet I understand the stupidity completely. Government, lawyers, career politicians create all these problems, and we vote for more of them again and again, and in fact, give them more power to stop the corruption they have no intention of stopping.

      No matter how bad the world gets there is no way I would be swept up by some politician whispering sweet-nothings into our ears. But it doesn’t surprise me in the least that other people (mostly democrats) have stars in their eyes about their latest socialist politician. –we already witnessed the rock-star, marketing blitzkrieg of the 2008 campaign, “He’s George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, Gandhi, Jesus Christ…..all rolled into one!” Who cares if he lied his way into office? He got a lesbian & a latina on the Supreme Court, and got health care passed. The dems will take that every time!

  9. sticks says:

    Mae good catch, for an excuse, it was late last night when I wrote that and I didn’t think carefully enough about how I put it. In the years of 1928-1932 the Nazi party made increasing gains (through elections) in the Reichstag untill they were the biggest party in it. Hitler still didn’t have a majority of votes to back him, but it certainly gave him considerable leverage. That and his charming ways and persuasive abilities, not to mention the intimidating power of the violent thugs who did his dirty work (hmm, sounds like someone else we know). Mostly above I was thinking in terms of what could happen here. Mithrander, I think people vote the way they do because they have been brainwashed by the schools and they are scared or they just don’t care enough and probably a combination of all these and other factors (as cited above).

  10. canary says:

    Smart Meters to spy on you and they violate wiretapping laws. This has been going on for awhile.


    Mitt Romney endorses the SMART GRID for Smart meters.


  11. canary says:

    update showing more U.S. Soldiers Units in Afghanistan are under increased direct attack.

    The latest identifications reported by the military:

    _Spc. Douglas J. Green, 23, of Sterling, Va., died Aug. 28 in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of injuries suffered when insurgents attacked his unit using an improvised explosive device and small arms fire; assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 21st Infantry Regiment, 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Fort Wainwright, Alaska.

    _Spc. Michael C. Roberts, 23, of Watauga, Texas, died Aug. 27 in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of injuries suffered when insurgents attacked his unit using an improvised explosive device; assigned to the 561st Military Police Company, 716th Military Police Battalion, 101st Sustainment Brigade, Fort Campbell, Ky.

    _Pfc. Jesse W. Dietrich, 20, of Venus, Texas, died Aug. 25 in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of injuries sustained when insurgents attacked his unit using small arms fire; assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 87th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.

    _Pfc. Brandon S. Mullins, 21, of Owensboro, Ky.; died Aug. 25 in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when insurgents attacked his unit with an improvised explosive device; assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 21st Infantry Regiment, 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Fort Wainwright, Alaska.

    _ Sgt. Andrew R. Tobin, 24, of Jacksonville, Ill., died Aug. 24 in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his unit using small arms fire; assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 87th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.

    _1st Lt. Timothy J. Steele, 25, of Duxbury, Mass., died Aug. 23 in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his unit using an improvised explosive device; assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 87th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.

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