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The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Saturday, September 3rd, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

27 Responses to “The Hive – Please Talk Among Yourselves”

  1. Mithrandir says:

    Black guy beats up old Korean man in bus….in Korea: http://www.buhaykorea.com/2011/08/29/bus-violence-a-foreign-teacher-attacks-an-old-man/

    Deport and rip-up his passport, send him back to Detroit. Infuriating!

    • Petronius says:

      Flash mobs of young blacks have been attacking and beating innocent whites and Asians in dozens of US cities. The attacks have been blatantly racial, jubilant, and celebratory. Fairgrounds, carnivals, and amusement parks, clothing shops, malls, fast food restaurants, convenience stores, liquor stores, buses and subway stations are often the rallying points for the mobs. http://violentflashmobs.com/ This is beginning to take a toll on consumer spending, as shoppers and tourists avoid such sites.

      More than fifty years of massive government largess and private sector spending on the racial spoils system, on Civil Rights Commissions, on the Great Society, on affirmative action, diversity preferences, quotas, set asides, university scholarships, curriculum changes, textbook revisions, SAT revisions, welfare programs, EEO, ADC, food stamps, Head Start, public housing, subprime mortgages, SBA loans, disability, political correctness, Rainbow/PUSH shakedowns, white groveling and pandering, black history months, glowing media portrayals, crime cover-ups by police and media, unearned privileges, dumbed-down schools and hiring standards, Medicaid, ObamaCare, and even the election of a black president have all failed to preserve domestic tranquility. America has poured trillions of dollars down the drain.

      As we enter the Age of Austerity, will Americans still be willing to borrow money from China, Japan, and South Korea to keep the payoffs going? And will China, Japan, and South Korea still be willing to lend us the money?

    • GetBackJack says:

      Sherlock Holmes –

      Once is happenstance
      Twice, coincidence
      Three times is enemy action

      Mark my words, these “flash mobs” are designed, rigged and planned by that sinister shadow which pervades all progressive Leftist maneuvering for Power. These are trial runs, tests , to desensitize the media and the general population to what’s coming Electoral Cycle 2012. The participants are dumb beasts who don’t know their role in it. They’re out for the thrill.

      Mark my words.

      I tripped to this pattern of test-runs when I corresponded with Jan Lamprecht, investigative journalist in South Africa. During 1996 – 1999. One of the (many) topics we discussed (when he could spare me the time) was a ballot issue plaguing S.A. elections …. this weird thing where paper ballots had, what was coined a term, chads that were hanging. Election Officials (an odious form of humor since nearly all officials were of the ANC) expressed concern and confusion which way the ballot was cast and so in recounts galore, clear winners magically became clear losers.

      Imagine my surprise when the hanging chad BS showed up here in the Al Gore IT”S MY TURN DAMMIT election, and the South Florida attempt to steal the election by means of hanging their chads out for all to see.

      Others I was corresponding with at the time let it be known members of the Congressional Black Caucus staff had been all over S.A. in the months leading up to the 2000 election.

      Well, I may not be the sharpest tool in the garage but I am not that dull. A good investigative journalist could almost certainly prove that the scam of hanging chads was first conceived here by diligently evil staffers of the DNC, test marketed at the bottom of the world and then brought back from Poughkeepsie to play on Broadway. But Dick Cheney, Bush’s advisors and Kathleen Harris managed to repel boarders and defeat the usurpation of the national election.

      Al has been sulking ever since, like a cobra denied mice.

      Since then, I’ve watched as more and more of these “test-market” public crimes are rolled out around the world, and flash mobs fit right in with Maxine Waters unhinged rants, Andre Carson’s “They’re Gonna Lynch You”, the new black panthers “You’re Gonna Have To Kill Whitey With Machetes And Machine Guns (sounds Haitian), London’s violence planned for Wall Street, SEIU thuggery and Union demons everywhere calling for intimidation and violence against any who dare oppose their Chosen Ones …

      … flash mobs are the test. Can social media flip out enough people to go Bastille storming on the Republicans who dare oppose The Regime?

      You bet your a**.

      Walk softly and carry serious firepower, people. What they’re planning is The Storming of the Winter Palace – the 1920 mass spectacle that took place in Petrograd during the 1917 October Revolution. [1]

      Do Not Stick Your Head In The Sand.

      [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EjDNdn_cjc

    • BigOil says:

      Flash mobs of black yutes are following in their heroes footsteps – training to be community organizers. They are the Obamacorps.

      Notice how their attacks are concentrated in northern urban areas because there is less risk of resistance. However, it is inevitable they will run into the wrong person at some point, which may be what some of them are hoping for. I think we know which side Holder will fall on.

    • proreason says:

      “These are trial runs”

      Imagine your wife walking into a polling place surrounded by angry black yuts expressing their constitutional right to assemble.

      And then remember the dismissal of the Black Panther 2008 intimidation case.

    • Melly says:

      Re: flash mobs…Drudge has a link up (I’am unable to open it) apparently members of a white supremacy group plan to rally in Wisconsin protesting the mob of youths who beat (allegedly) white people leaving the Wisconsin State Fair on opening day. …

    • sticks says:

      What we are seing is a repeat of Germany in the 1920’s and early 30’s, growing violence in the street with bloody clashes between different groups. When one group assults another (it doesn’t matter what label they wear) long enough and there is no legal protection eventually the other group will fight back, though some groups in Germany did not and as a result were crushed and swept aside. At the end of this road lies absolutist tyranny which promises to end the violence, but only redirects it to serve its purposes.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Violence in the streets, to the aspiring column of national socialists is as coal to an ever-hungry furnace. They will co-opt it and use the media to lay blame on whomever they think needs to be excised. The unwitting participants are simply venting their (misdirected) frustration(s) and cannot see through the lens of the ready-to-pounce statists.

      However, I do believe that if/when it is tried here, it will fail miserably, for many reasons; Not the least of which will be the refusal of day-to-day citizens to put up with the crap they want to enforce on them. By that I mean, the nation is still overwhelmingly conservative and, like it or not, Christian. And, historically, this group of people puts up with a great deal more than any holder-of-the-opposite-viewpoint is willing to admit.

      Yes, we largely like our cookouts, trips to the beach, TV shows and relaxing lifestyle. But of late, what hasn’t been in the MSM is the usual graph that shows Americans, those who work, put in 20+% more time at work, take more work home with them and have more than the lion’s share of dual income homes. In short, we work and we work hard.

      The national socialists hate the middle class for this very reason and think they can “message” us to death. But so far, criticizing, setting up class-warfare straw-men arguments and flat out calling us names has had the opposite effect. In fact, people I know at work who are fairly liberal are now saying how they resent this current government trying to divide us and defeat us with legislation and regulations.

      The one trick they have been successful at, at least in my own, personal case, is that my life remains unchanged. That is, other than taxes, food prices and gas prices, etc. I still live my secure little life and can still buy the things I want/need. Naturally, that has to factor into their plan. I am reminded of when I lived in Germany. They seemed as free as any US Citizen but when I finally made some friends locally I learned just how regimented everything was and how crossing the law, even in a minor sense, was ridiculously expensive.

      I live in a small, rural town in SC. I don’t expect to see any riots. I also don’t expect to be personally affected by any in the next closest city, either. But, as is typical, the massively, incredibly ignorant, latching onto their anger, vent inappropriately at the most convenient opportunity. In reality, I think they’ll end up hurting whatever issue or cause they are trying to evangelize.

    • Mithrandir says:

      According to the Korean news site JoonGang, his name was reported as Robert Hall (or Hole, depending on how you read Korean)로버트 홀, American, 24 years old, English teacher in Bundang near Seoul. Arrived February 2011. Choked and punched 60 year old man in the face. Booked and released by local police, will be interviewed later, still works at his school……with kids.


      *I wonder if he will use the race card. Does that even work in Korea?–charged with hate crime?

  2. Rusty Shackleford says:

    This made me chuckle today and it seems very appropriate to our current situation:

    The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that, “When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.”

    However, in our more advanced societies our government has developed alternative strategies that are often employed, such as:

    1. Buying a stronger whip.

    2. Changing riders.

    3. Appointing a committee to study the horse.

    4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses.

    5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.

    6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired.

    7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.

    8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed.

    9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase dead horse’s performance.

    10. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse’s performance.

    11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.

    12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.

    And of course…

    13. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.

  3. Melly says:

    Now it’s your “Federal Family.”

    Don’t think of it as the federal government but as your “federal family.”

    In a Category 4 torrent of official communications during the approach and aftermath of Hurricane Irene, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has repeatedly used the phrase “federal family” when describing the Obama administration’s response to the storm.

    The Obama administration didn’t invent the phrase but has taken it to new heights.

    “Under the direction of President Obama and Secretary Janet Napolitano, the entire federal family is leaning forward to support our state, tribal and territorial partners along the East Coast,” a FEMA news release declared Friday as Irene churned toward landfall. …

    …A Google search shows the phrase appearing 10 times on FEMA’s website during the Bush years. Since Obama took office, “federal family” has turned up 118 times on fema.gov, including 50 Irene-related references.


    If Obama needs to halt his socialist regulations temporarily he will not halt his propaganda. This just smells of Communism. The Communist system replaces your religion, your family.

  4. Melly says:

    Hot topic question: Is there a difference between the fervor and support for Obama in ’08 from the reaction Sarah Palin is receiving today? Nothwithstanding the correctness of the political goals and wishes for America of their respective constituents – does anyone see the irony in supporting Sarah, a woman with only two years of Governing experience (yes, I know she was Mayor of Wasilla)? And if one were to support Sarah (were she to run for Pres.) how do we defend her lack of experience whilst these past 3 years we focused on Barry’s lack of experience, especially in the private sector, as the leading factor in contributing to his failure as a President? Does conservative values trump experience? I’ve just been seeing the comparisons lately b/w Obamamania in ’08 and the groundswell support for Sarah. Thoughts on this appreciated.

    • sticks says:

      A good qeustion Melly, I like Sarah for a number of reasons probably the number one reason is because liberals hate her so much, but also because she’s such an American “girl next door” sort of person (one of the many reasons they hate her). She goes hunting, she has a family she stands by, a husband she is loyal to, she goes to church. She lives life like we do in the fly over states and the liberal eletists just can’t figure that out. All good things, but will she make a good president? That is really the question. She would beyond any doubt make a better one than Obama though he will have 4 years more experience than her come 2012.

    • Mithrandir says:

      I hope Palin doesn’t run! She cornered the market on being the victim of the media, and she has turned the beating around to her favor. She is the king-maker, everyone listens to her, if she tries to govern, the democrats will just beat her down, so I don’t think she would be effective doing that.

      NEWT GINGRICH says all there needs to be said about Sarah Palin’s resume vs. Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjGhy8LVwAo (reporter looks like he just got punched in the eye!)

    • proreason says:

      We knew more about Sarah Palin one week after she was nominated for Veep than we know about Obamy 3 years later.

      She’s a more experienced official, a more experienced executive, a more experienced adult, a better American and a better human being than Obamy is by orders of magnitude.

      She loves the country and recognizes that government is the problem, not the solution.

      So it isn’t really possible to compare the hype about her to the hype about Little Lenin. They are totally different phenomena.

      Hers fame is based on who she is. His is based on who he isn’t.

  5. DW says:

    Hi Melly. Thought I’d pop put of the weeds and have a crack at your question. I like to think I can look at things somewhat dispassionately since I’m on the outside looking in.

    First off, from what I’ve seen, “Saramania”, if you will, was every bit as prevalent as the mania for that other feller. Right from the start. I’ve heard people on this site calling her the next Ronald Reagan, which IMO was and is more than a little over the top. However, I can understand the reasoning for it judging from the horrible drought of genuine conservative candidates.

    I think in comparing experience, it’s like comparing apples and oranges. One day’s worth of executive experience would put her ahead of Obama. From what I’ve read, she did fairly well as governor. Most of her detractors seem to spend their time looking for scandals. Obama’s detractors need only look at the numbers.
    She comes from people who know what it’s all about to go home from work with sore muscles. People who occasionally have to worry about their next paycheque.
    Obama? (snort)

    Having said all that, do I think she’s ready to be president? Frankly, no. I think even in this day and age, you need a statesman (or stateswoman) in the job. A Margaret Thatcher –not the girl next door.

    Would she be better than Obama? Of course she would. So would you. So would I (birth certificate notwithstanding) for that matter.
    Would she make a genuinely good president ten years from now? That’s anyone’s guess. Frankly, I hope she and you and I and the US are still around in ten years to find out.

    Anyways, that’s my two cents worth. Your mileage may vary.


  6. Astravogel says:

    Wal, now he’s gone too far, that Hoffa fella,
    insulting my deceased mother. He didn’t
    even know her for corn’s sake! That guy
    he’s stumpin’ for that has had 1 years’s
    experience almost four times now, oughta’
    be careful who he beds down with.

    My mom was well respected in the community
    she lived in, even if she was ‘that Catholic
    woman’ who married the son of the pillar of
    the local Baptist church.

  7. Natural Born Citizen says:

    When Jimmy Hoffa Jr. publicly says the unions are B-raks army, and that they are at war with the Tea Party, and they will “take the SOB’s out” it sounds like he is inciting violence? It also sounds like hate speech? And when the inciter-in-chief publicly supports Hoffa right after calling for bi-partisanship what he really means is capitulate or we will crush you. Very Khrushchev like.

    • proreason says:

      It’s a trial balloon.

      The key thing is that Little Lenin followed Hoffa and praised him.

      If they can get away with this and the new media doesn’t force the networks to publicized the direct threats and Lenin’s approval, then they will know they can get away with just about anything.

      This is a very serious event.

    • Melly says:

      Proreason you are so right. This is sounding like a direct and deadly threat to Americans who disagree with these despots.

      P.S. Conducted a quick search and already they are accusing right wing bloggers and Fox of editing Hoffa’s speech. Hoffa’s full quote was —

      HOFFA: Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!

    • proreason says:

      In the 49 seconds on Hot Air, Hoffa uses “war” 5 times, plus “battle”, “army”, “march”, “take out” and “son’s of bitches” once each.

      Obams’s remarks on the same clip are even more astonishing. He doesn’t use the military language, but the clip is the most incendiary thing from a president that I’ve ever heard, hands down. It’s not on the Hot Air clip, but Obama says at the beginning after introducing Hoffa and the cast of other Union Thugs “we are proud of them”.

      This man is the president of our country. There’s not a person alive who would have believed it 40 years ago. He’s a common thug.

    • Melly says:

      Yep, Obama is taking a knife to the fight.

    • BigOil says:

      Hoffa and his union goon allies tried this thuggery and intimidation in Wisconsin, and had their hat handed to them. Try it nationally, and I would expect the same results. The numbers are in our favor. 88% of us don’t work in unions – and most of us want nothing to do with them.

  8. katie says:

    bring it on

  9. sticks says:

    They have used craven lying, corruption and vote buying to keep power, but those things clearly are not working (Obama’s popularity droping like a rock) so now we get threats and intimidation, what happens when that doesn’t work? It won’t

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