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‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, October 12th, 2012. Comments are currently closed.

21 Responses to “‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. Rusty Shackleford says:

    Another theory on the attack in Benghazi

    This is from the minds of the conspiracy theorists. I am not one but it’s intriguing.

    Submitted for your approval:

    Say for the sake of fun, that the State Dept, the president and all associated agencies knew about the planned attack as was reported after the fact.

    Then, remember 1979 and the hostage situation that basically (among other things) lost Jimmy the election.

    Now put the two together in the minds of an extremely political organization that has already shown its indifference to the dangers of intentionally putting people in harm’s way so as to meet a political object. I’m speaking of Fast & Furious and the intent to cause people to cry for more gun control when it was “found out” that guns sold by shops in the US made it into the hands of drug cartels that did violence on Americans.

    Now, overlay that onto the Benghazi situation. A deal maybe was cut where the “rebels” could stage an attack, take hostages and then, with full cooperation (pronounced “big money”) they would release the hostages with Obama calling the shots, thus showing up the Carter flub and making it appear that the Hitlery Statehouse is competent and strong with the Caped Invader at the helm. October surpise-ish and also getting the Reaganites to say, “Hey that Obama…he’s one tough cookie.”.

    But like F & F……

    If it was the case to play it out as described…..

    Then OOOOPS.

    This may also be the source of why the regime is scrambling for an explanation because they fear that the real mechanics might be discovered. Learning from F & F, they kept all records of this plan tightly controlled and only certain people(only the most loyal) were allowed knowledge of it so that if the fecal-fan interface unit started operating, they had their bases covered. But Obama was in location X..Hitlery in location Y, other operatives in A, B and C and it was hard to get the story straight. Of course, they never expected anyone to get killed because that wasn’t part of the deal.

    But because of that, Obama isn’t given the opportunity to look strong, but I think the money already changed hands..or at least some of it. Which plays nicely into the consistency that muslims lie. No deal can be struck…no bargain broached without it going bad for the Westerners.

    So killing Americans was always part of the deal as far as AQ was concerned..and they got cash as well.

    Now, I’m no conspiracy nut but this whole debacle has bugged me from the beginning. 9/11, full knowledge of the impending attack and yet, doing nothing…and basically letting it happen. Why?

    I think the plan was to have Hitlery consult with the Brown Clown, come up with some tough-sounding words…have him present the choices and the AQ would then relinquish hostages and get more cash. Utter naivete’ but they actually believe they are the people they’ve been waiting for and …Hitlery’s honest disbelief as to how it all fell out. Not just because of “getting rid of Kaddafi” but because…in her mind….”Hey…we had a deal…and how dare you do that?”

    I realize it’s fantasy but with this regime, I can see it as a possibility. When people take such a long time to admit failure, there’s always something else going on behind the scenes. But then, they won’t admit failure anyhow no matter what.

    Then, there’s the notion that dealing with AQ would ever happen but this regime thinks it’s so bloody clever and above it all that I could easily see them secretly negotiating this arrangement. Of course with members of AQ side-glancing and then figuring out how to screw over the stupid Americans after the deal was struck.

    Far fetched? Maybe. But it’s also very plausible. Remember ANYTHING to keep the lightworker in office.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      One small addendum, when the poop hit the fan, it was completely unexpected. They expected the attack, hostages to be taken and then the negotiations…that’s why Barry went to Vegas, so as to appear independent of the plan. But then people died and though they could still use the video story, as pre-discussed, they honestly didn’t have any contingency plans for the deaths of Americans.

      Kind of what happens to a football team when they misread the oppositions signals and zig while they zag. Totally unexpected, totally unprepared because it didn’t go as planned. Has hallmarks of F&F on it as well. Wasn’t supposed to go down that way.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Rusty, thank you.

      One thing we know with certainty is that we will never be allowed to know.

      Which is criminal, in my mind. I am a deep believer in Robert Heinlein’s Secrecy Begets Tyranny. No matter what leaks out think about this … nations throughout the world employ tens ouf thousands if not hundreds to know our secrets. Make no mistake, our allies know what happened. Our enemies absolutely know what happened. The people who don’t know and will never be told are you and me. The voting stockholders of the nation. The ones who pay the bills. Who send their sons and daughters out to bleed and die for the Nation.

      We alone do not get to know what happened.

      That insult is almost more than I an bear with civility.

    • cali says:

      You are closer to truth than anything I’ve read. While I can’t quite remember which overseas analysis it was but, it was exactly what you described – this was suppose to be a ‘false flag’ making jugears and cankles looks like super heroes – rescuing stevens as a hostage together with the others.
      The rest is history -they were killed, stevens raped and tortured before killed.

      I hope you keep it coming -this needs to be exposed!

    • mr_bill says:

      Rusty, a few years back, I would have dismissed your theory as rank quackery. After 3.5 years of nerobama and his devious minions, I would have to say that your theory is closer to the truth than anything we’ve heard from the administration or the media. I wouldn’t put anything past them when it comes to their schemes to hold on to power or line their pockets at our expense.

  2. DoctorRock says:

    But this is so not over yet. Smiling Joe threw the intelligence community under the bus last night, and they don’t like that. Why should they take the hit? I’m anticipating a big, steaming intelligence leak in the next few days. Sure, the New York Times is in the tank for our Great Historic President, but when it comes to a security leak they can’t help themselves.

  3. Mithrandir says:


    You know, when the gov’t doesn’t want to cut anything, they always use the excuse, “It’s only ___% of the budget!, what’s the problem?” (all those excuses add up to $16 trillion in debt)

    The gov’t will spend millions to collect 100’s when YOU owe the IRS money. “Hey, it’s only $10,000, and __% of the budget, what’s the problem?”Does that excuse work for you or them, ah, no.

    Cutting Sesame Street funding is SYMBOLIC at the very least. Even if it’s only $1000, it shows that the government, in good faith, as a guardian of our finances, can at least handle the small things, which should be very easy. A one-page bill passed in a matter of hours. However, they give billions to appease terrorists overseas.
    The rebuttal to all this is, “If it’s such a small percentage of the budget, then you won’t have a problem getting rid of it will you? Sesame Street won’t miss it will they?”
    I say this to car dealers all the time. “Hey buddy, adding this extra is peanuts, it only add $25 to your monthly loan.” —Really?— “Ok, then if it’s such an insignificant amount, the dealership doesn’t mind throwing it in for free, correct?” (insert your Joe Biden tongue clicking, eye-ball-rolling, guffawing, smirking, incredulous hand raising, and other dismaying gestures here) Exactly. They don’t mind if it costs you money, they only mind if it costs them money.

    But we know why they keep funding a liberally friendly station like PBS. This isn’t 1969 anymore. We have 100s of stations available now. People have access to free VHS or DVDs at the library for viewing, or for buying from multiple outlets or severely reduced prices at GoodWill, and our pampered poor people get free basic cable, cell phones, and internet, we don’t need to keep funding Sesame Street when no one is really watching it anyway.

    Shall I go on?

    By any estimate, PBS should have been cut-off at or around 1990. By that time, most people had other options, and certainly by 2000 most people had internet access in some form. So by my measure, PBS is over-due by 22 years.

    You have all heard of how much money Sesame Street pulls in, in products each year, making Big Bird a 1%er-millionaire on public assistance.

    There is no reason why, by this time in our history, Republicans keep funding Democratism:
    Radical studies on our college campi
    Generational welfare
    Obama phones
    Illegal immigrants using our public resources
    National Endowment for the “Arts”
    AIDS prevention (we know how people get AIDS)
    The U.N.
    Foreign Aid (puppeteering our “friends” and placating our enemies)
    Foreign Oil (we’ve had alternative fuel for over 100 years, stop pretending we need to continue fighting over oil)
    Affirmative Action

    The sad thing is, is that likely we will have another Liberal Republican/Conservative VP concoction, and NOTHING will be done. Oh, sure a few trial balloons will go up, getting liberals all riled up, conservative hopes up, but in the end, it will come crashing down as a means of looking like Mr. Niceguy. We started to bring the hammer down, but at the last minute, we had a moment of mercy, clarity, willing to cross the aisle and listen to the other side. That disappointment will lead to a crushing democratic win in 2016.

    • yadayada says:

      that has been one of the most frustrating things about the republicans for the last 18 years- they the bus has been heading toward the cliff since carter. Reagan turned it around. Bush 1 swerved back toward the cliff. the gingrich group down- shifted and slowed things. but all along, the repubs still want to “look like the good guys, so they they just keep driving toward the cliff…. just slower than the demagogues.

    • GetBackJack says:

      YadaYada, do I ever agree with you.

      I think it’s more than that, though. Ehen Reagan campaigned he promised to rid the nation of the Dept of Education, amongst other things. When he left office the DeptEdu was bigger than when he took office.

      There’s something else at work in the momentum of both Parties. I think I know what it is but it’s not something you can discuss amongst sensible people. Because sensible people ae unwilling to look beyond their definitions, boundaries and comfort zone.

      Look up the term Archon.

      That’s all I’ll say.

    • Mithrandir says:

      What also BUGS me to no end, is that the Republicans are so oblivious to liberal traps. WHY even participate in a debate with a democrat moderator–Martha Raddatz? Just say ‘NO!’
      How about a debate sponsored by Fox, or NewsMax, or Breitbart.com, or any of the other conservative blogs out there!?
      Just walk away from it all for gosh sakes! Republicans are leading, there is no point in debating unless you are losing, there is no ground to be made up, especially with such a snare waiting for you such as Raddatz.

      2. What democrats do, REPUBLICANS DON’T HAVE THE GUTS TO UN-DO. Obama repeals Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,–an agreed upon uneasy peace between Clinton and Republicans, Obama throws it in the trash, and daaaaares you to even THINK about changing it. “All those soldiers who came out, will be at risk of being discharged!”

      Well, REPEAL IT ENTIRELY THEN! Nope. Not going to happen.
      Obama gives amnesty to Hispanics illegally, does an end-around-Congress? Retroactively rescind those false applications? Nope, what’s done is done.
      Democrats BOLDLY just assert dictatorial powers, and Republicans lick their finger, hold it to the wind, and see if anyone disapproves if they reverse it.

      Republicans could just assert Affirmative Action as racist, illegal, against our common values, and DARE the democrats to re-institute it, nope, that isn’t going to happen either.

      *And yeah, Reagan could have gotten rid of the dept. of energy/dept. of education, didn’t do so.
      *Bush gave us the dept. of homeland security with the TSA, that will be with us forever as well.

      And there are those that still hammer the point that there is such a wide chasm between the two parties. Only thing I can see differently is that FDR / LBJ / and Obama deserve credit for actually getting their terrible policies done.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Don’t have the guts to un-do

      Score, for Mithrandir

      100% correct.

      When GWB was elected I and so many people I knew, believed it would be the ruin of the Democrat Party because GW had such a clear field of fire to prosecute Democrat crimes until hell froze over. I mean, wow. What a barrel of fish to shoot and destroy your political enemies.



      When Romney gets in office I predict we’re going to have most of Obama’s Agenda and desecration of America remain on the books precisely because the Republican Party – the only Party left I can vote for – will betray me again by failing to eradicate what Obama and the Congress has done between 2008 and the end of 2012.

      I pray I’m wrong.

      Mt experience says otherwise.

    • Mithrandir says:


      When you have the White House and Congress, that is when the stars line up to do your bidding. The democrats certainly made the most out of it.

      1st thing Bush did wrong was NOT EXPOSING the childish pranks left over from the Clinton people. “W”s missing from keyboards, porn images left on computers, graffiti etc. That was a golden opportunity missed. Exposing childish behavior is not supposed to be embarrassing to the messenger, just the perpetrator.

      When Bush was against (University of Michigan I think) Affirmative Action policies, Condi Rice said she was FOR it. –end of story.

      He wanted to install Harriet Myers on the Supreme Court?

      The Patriot Act?

      Didn’t oppose or veto bills from Republican Congress?

      Dept. of Homeland Security?

      Ugh, as time went on, I knew I had been snookered yet again. I saw G.HW. Bush interviewed on CNN and had this to say about those in Texas who wanted to rid ourselves of the U.N. “I didn’t want to run for office, but we had all these right-wingers, so we needed someone to oppose them. So I decided to run.” —Great. Those “crazy” right-wingers. The Bush Family, not really Republicans, and watch out of JEB BUSH, he is just waiting in the wings for those stupid enough to consider him for president.

  4. canary says:

    When the Obama administration immediately blames some film that had been out for awhile, and they know 9/11 anniversary is coming up, there is no way Obama or worthless Biden can say they did not know more security was needed.

    While, we know it was not the film, the administration within minutes blamed the film. That is evidence either way the entire bunch of them knew security was needed for quite some time, just as they knew attacks in Libya were increasing.

    Could it be possible
    since there is a paper trail of uncivil rest and conditions that U.S. officials in Libya had a lot of information the Arab Spring had failed, and Obama & Hillary did not want anything leaking of the rising attempted attacks and made a point of giving them one Libyan guard to protect them hoping they would be offed and everything the murdered knew and contained.

    The embassy and everything was burned in the fire.
    U.S. did not go over there immediately and investigate either.

    And Panetta will say a cyber attack destroyed all the information in regards to that embassy.

    Oliver North just came back from Afghanistan and spoke of the insanity of our troops arming and training the Afghan police to protect our soldiers as they evacuate and withdrawal.

    And there is no way those police are going to shoot their own people and end up dealing with Taliban and al-Qaeda shooting every Afghan policeman. In the end they will show great loyalty and victory of killing as many American’s as they can, so they can brag how they deceived the enemy. I think many U.S. troops won’t make it out.

    And more and more it appears Obama is hoping Israel is destroyed to appease the Muslims.
    Obama made it clear in his 2006 book he is on the side of Palestine which is not on the map.

    May Obama’s arrows be thwarted. My God be strong, when we are so weak against the 21st century Hitler.

    any of his administration for the Libya attacks, thena film that had been out for awhile, though a lie, then how can they say they saw no need for security

    • cali says:

      Don’t forget, as more info is exposed – obama, hillary and intelligence watched the attack ‘live’ as it happened.

      Of course they are covering up their treasenous actions!

      I am disappointed in Petraeus, for he too has sold out, his silence and politics have changed -now he will move onto Princeton – becoming Dean!

    • canary says:

      Petraeus betrayed our U.S. Soldiers to please king Obama. I hope it was only rumors that the GOP considered him as VP.

    • GetBackJack says:

      I fear you are right

  5. canary says:

    Just some tidbits from News Max. Go to link below for all the stories

    News Max 10/14/2012

    1. Obama-Backed Battery Plant Furloughing Workers

    Two years after a groundbreaking ceremony attended by President Obama, a Michigan plant built with $150 million in taxpayer funds to make batteries for hybrid vehicles is putting workers on furlough — before a single battery has been produced.

    The plant — run by LG Chem, a South Korean company — was opened in July 2010 to make batteries for the Chevrolet Volt, a plug-in hybrid vehicle built by GM. But the car has seen sluggish sales, despite a $7,500 federal tax credit for each vehicle, and fewer than 25,000 Volts had been sold by September. Production of the car has been plagued by several plant shutdowns.

    “Considering the lack of demand for electric vehicles, despite billions of dollars from the Obama administration that were supposed to stimulate it, it’s not surprising what has happened with LG Chem,” Paul Chesser, an associate fellow with the National Legal and Policy Center, told Fox News.

    The $300 million plant was supposed to produce 15,000 batteries per year and create hundreds of new jobs.

    Obama told workers at the groundbreaking ceremony: “You are leading the way in showing how manufacturing jobs are coming right back here to the United States.”

    3. Report: Nuclear Iran Means Double Oil Prices

    Oil prices could nearly double, costing the United States millions of jobs, if Iran is permitted to obtain a nuclear weapon — even if the Iranians don’t use the weapon, a new report warns.

    The Bipartisan Policy Center’s report says that gasoline prices could increase by more than 70 percent, by up to $2.75 per gallon, sending inflation skyrocketing, driving America “into a severe recession,” and costing the country “more than five million jobs.”

    The report was written by a team of former military leaders, economists, and lawmakers.

    A nuclear-armed Iran could easily disrupt the flow of oil by closing the Strait of Hormuz, cutting off the supply of Saudi Arabian oil — and leading the Saudis to seek nuclear weapons as well, according to the Center’s analysis, which was reported by the Washington Free Beacon.

    4. Immigrant Population at an All-Time High

    The number of immigrants both legal and illegal in the United States hit a new record of 40 million in 2010, a 28 percent increase from 2000, a wide-ranging new report reveals.

    And the number of immigrants plus their children born in this country now stands at around 50 million, accounting for about one-sixth of the U.S. population, according to Steven A. Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies. His report — “Immigrants in the United States, 2010: A Profile of America’s Foreign-Born Population” — is based on U.S. Census Bureau data from 2010 and 2011.

    New immigration both legal and illegal plus births to immigrants added 22.5 million residents over the last decade, accounting for 80 percent of the total U.S. population growth.

    5. 1,035,000 Construction Jobs Lost Under Obama

    President Barack Obama vowed in February 2009 that the economic stimulus legislation he was signing would create construction jobs for 400,000 people building and rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure.

    But despite a price tag now estimated at $833 billion, there are 925,000 fewer construction jobs in the United States than in February 2009, and 1,035,000 fewer than when Obama was inaugurated, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).

    When Obama signed the stimulus bill in Denver, Colo., he told a crowd: “Because we know we can’t build our economic future on the transportation and information networks of the past, we are remaking the American landscape with the largest new investment in our nation’s infrastructure since Eisenhower built an Interstate Highway System in the 1950s.

    But in September 2012, according to the BLS, 5,523,000 Americans had jobs in the construction industry, down from 6,558,000 in January 2009, when Obama took office, and down from 6,448,000 in February 2009, when Obama signed the stimulus.

    It is also down from 5,564,000 in January of this year, when Obama started the fourth year of his term.


  6. canary says:

    hey ya Cali. Is this the Cali we missed that loved horses?

  7. canary says:

    Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) came out with his new 2012 government pork waste book.

    Millions of dollars spent on the best food for martians. I’ll bet Michelle partook in that study.
    Hope this link works. Trouble finding the full report.


  8. canary says:

    Ohio needs to be kicked out the US.

    Federal Judges in Ohio say near 300 non-citizens unlawfully registered to vote can’t be purged because they are not citizens and don’t have to follow the rules?

    And Obama and Ohio is suing to stop the U.S. Military Troops & Americans overseas from getting 3 days to vote.

    I guess Ohio wants the largest increase of immigrants in the U.S. this year to come to their state.

  9. canary says:

    Obama’s recent purchasing of $30 million dollar mansion in Hawaii ocean front


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