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‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, December 7th, 2012. Comments are currently closed.

22 Responses to “‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. Anonymoose says:

    Washington state became legal to smoke pot this week, Colorado either already has been or recently will soon.

    On the one hand I’ve thought ending the wasteful war on drugs was one of the few good things that I’ve agreed with liberals on; but not for someone’s “right” to light up. It was more for all the damage that came with it, I remember in the southern state I grew up in the stories about illegal pot farms and people getting killed over what was essentially a plant. Or of lives ruined by stupid mistakes or associating with the wrong crowd.

    But I think the thing that bothered me most were civil property and asset seizures; let a relative borrow your car and he buys drugs while driving it and they seize your car, or seize entire properties if they found pot growing there. Combine that with an incentive from governments to raise money and a dangerous precedent was started. In that same state was a notorious story in the mid-90’s where the state and federal guys showed up at a big bust and began arguing over who was going to seize the cars and the house and ended up drawing guns on each other.

    I still remember the huge stigma that used to be attached to drug use–anyone remember Clinton and he did not inhale? With Obama his drug use wasn’t even worth a mention.

    But with all the move to legalize pot it seems to me like tobacco is still demonized as much as ever. Every health insurance or medical review asks about tobacco use, all hoping for the answer you never use it.

    Will pot growers face the same restrictions cigarette companies do–unable to advertise their products, sponsor or spend money on sporting events ?

    Will the packages of pot carry big labels about the dangers of it’s use, and graphic warnings?

    Will pot sellers be hit by sting operations to see if they are willing to sell illegally to underage users?

    Will health insurance and Obamacare penalize pot users with higher premiums?

    Will each package of pot be taxed with a sticker, and those taxes nominally used to defray “healthcare costs?”

    Will there be all kinds of studies about the long term use of pot and it’s adverse health effects? Smoking anything can’t be good, and I can’t see how filling your lungs with resin is any better than tar.

    Will pot smokers face the same restrictions on where and when they can smoke, or the dangers of secondhand smoke?

    I ask all these questions because I increasingly see this as another sort of cultural war, between conservative (tobacco) and liberal (pot) ideals, with the liberal ideals held up and the conservative put down.

    Tobacco’s only immediate effect is a sense of calming and well being, the secondary is the smell and smoke. Everything else is a long term health effect.

    Pot’s effect is a mild hallucinogenic–smoke enough and you get “stoned” and have impaired judgment and coordination. The health effects are touted as medicinal–go figure.

    I look at this and I think it’s a case of being careful what you ask for. I wanted to see the war on drugs ended, the wasted spending and unwarranted seizures, the lives ruined. This is only a start, but it seems like what they’ve had in mind the whole time.

    But this looks to me more like another sign of Leftist America and the country’s decline. The infrastructure is crumbling and the finances are written on a bad check, but hey, you can light up a joint now.

    • canary says:

      Well, it won’t be safe to grow marijuana in yards.

      If people grow it indoors it might not be safe, but with those big lights it will cause global warming.

      Washington is taxing it. Does that mean a pot patrol car will go around and count plants in people’s yards and inside their homes?

    • GetBackJack says:

      Amazing how the more divisive and stupid the nation gets the more it wants to smoke dope.

      Must be the reason why it’s called dope.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      In Yurp, specifically Amsterdam, they have long since admitted that legalizing drugs was a huge mistake as their city became the poster-child for wayward youths sitting/laying about stoned, high and/or totally out of it. It caused their emergency rooms to overflow and they started working 20 years ago to curb it with only pot and hashish being left to use openly, but the hard drug users remain, to some extent.

      It’s not reported on by our media here for obvious reasons.

      What still escapes me is that the socialists here still actually believe that drug use can be “managed” by the individual. Somewhat ironic is that’s the argument they use because it’s a “choice” and “freedom” but when someone is hopelessly hooked, it suddenly becomes a “disease” and “needs everyone to help”.

      In short, it’s just immaturity in choice-making and stupid. And to add to Moose’s well-stated issues, how about the first time some stoned teens obliterate a mini-van with kids going to a soccer game where several of them die. How’s that “freedom” working out now? Yes, it’s every bit as bad as drunk driving. So…how’s big government gonna manage that?

      Will the newsmedia report on it? They already DON’T report on illegal aliens who are on their 17th DWI and still on the road, so this will be something else they’ll have to ignore in order to preserve their idea of freedom, I guess.

    • canary says:

      Maybe the illegals will move to those 2 states and claim job experience.

      If California didn’t legalize it that should be a hint.

    • canary says:

      Look who are teaching our children in the U.S. Might explain those occasional stories of why someone went into teaching without a degree. Their struggles at first, then finding out they enjoyed it, when they could be making more money in the the job they studied for. Hmm. Explains a lot. That’s one way to get a job. Don’t pay back a federal student loan.
      I wish I’d paid closer attention to that historical strike by over-paid Chicago teachers.

      “The binding agreement you must sign to receive a TEACH Grant. By signing the ATS, you agree to teach (1) full-time (2) in a high-need field (3) at a low-income school or educational service agency that serves certain low-income schools, and (4) for at least four complete academic years within eight years after completing (or ceasing enrollment in) the course of study for which you received the grant. If you do not complete your teaching service agreement, the amounts of the TEACH Grants you received will be converted to a Direct Unsubsidized Loan that you must repay with interest charges from the date of each TEACH Grant disbursement.”

      ” (or ceasing enrollment in) the course of study for which you received the grant.”

      Need a job? Dont’ pay back your student loan because poor minority schools are on the rise.

    • mr_bill says:

      I love watching “experiments” like this: Let’s see what happens to Washington State in the next few years. When the state government realizes that legalizing marijuana was a mistake, I’m guessing they won’t be able to criminalize it again. They will have far too many potheads in the state and it will never pass.

  2. Mithrandir says:

    Dept. of Energy
    ►$20 billion / year budget.
    ►Created by Jimmy Carter
    ►Supposed to get us less dependent on foreign oil (still 49% dependent)

    35 years later……</blockquote

    PRIVATE individual makes 1000s of liters of FREE hydrogen gas stainless steel, battery, water, plastic tubes

    Same guy makes 2000 degree heat from plastic screen can heat water to create steam, run turbines that generate electricity
    Magnifying plastic screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrje73EyKag

    Blow-Torch fueled by hydrogen from water

    1000 mpg car invention squashed!

    I’m not saying the government is deliberately trying to keep us dependent upon the power barons, and slaves to gasoline with the huge taxes they collect from it, or the military industrial complex by making useless wars to protect oil interests, but, yeah, that’s exactly what I am saying. (Tesla’s wireless electrical system was rejected as well, b/c the power barons could not make any money off of it)

    When the government spends $20 billion, and can’t discover anything helpful for us, but some guy can make free hydrogen gas from plastic and scrap metal laying around, uh, yeah, something is going wrong here. All that “global warming” talk is GARBAGE! We can clean up this earth starting RIGHT NOW!

    Water and sunlight: as long as we have those, we can convert each into systems that generate free power for all our needs, forever.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Mith, personal experience follows that answers your question …

      Big Business loves Big Government. Big Government loves Big Business. Tax laws, Rules, Legislation, Bureaucracy, Lobbying, Law Law and more Law. These are forces Big Business can cope with and use to keep upstart competitors from getting into their markets. Big Government prefers dealing with representatives of Big Business for reasons we all know. Remember that.

      1. I was on the Board of a home building company in the mid-80s. We built houses on 40 acre lots in Northern Colorado for the horsey-set. 3,000 – 4,000 sqft. Our promise was that if the homeowner paid a nickel in energy costs over the next ten years, we’d pick up the bill.

      We built envelope designs. http://goo.gl/3X7UI

      Harvested solar energy by covering the roof in solar panels bought at US Government auctions for about 3¢ on the dollar. That made the electricity more than comparable to grid-supplied energy.

      But we built the exterior shell out of double wall aerated concrete with a space between walls filled with dense-pack pumice as a superb insulating layer. The ‘basement’ of the home was a crawl space under a poured concrete first floor, the sub space filled with many tons of 8″ rounded creek stone. The heat energy developed by the south-facing greenhouse effect was channeled into the basement where the heated air shed it’s load of heat into the stone, thus radiating into the floor. A constant loop powered only by the laws of physics.

      We cooled the home by running 1,000 linear feet of 4″ PVC pipe 8′ underground where the temp was a constant 52 degrees. Vented it into the home using the south facing greenhouse at the apex of it’s glass pop open a vent which created a venturi effect, and would pull air into the home as air rushed out. Heated air rose, and vented cooled air was pulled in.

      At no time was I ever in any of these houses when the interior temp wasn’t a dead-steady 72 degrees from kitchen floor to upstairs bedrooms.

      2. Jim Keaton of Keaton Global Fisheries demonstrated to me the truth of Big Business/Big Government. Ponds, lakes and other ‘still’ non-moving contained waters are breeding grounds for underwater plants choking marine life. The choices for water management people are chemicals to control plant growth, or chemicals to control plant growth. Your only other choice was chemicals.

      Except Jim introduced a species of fish from China that worked like goats on your front lawn. They simply devoured aquatic invasive plant life like watching a hay baler work a field. BUT …

      … these fish were lobbied out existence by the chemical business which had a $2 billion business going on, and Jim’s fish utterly threatened that. Lobbying outlawed that species of fish on the grounds it would escape into lakes and rivers, grow, multiply and displace native species. Which was bullshiat because Jim, being an expert, had spent a decade choosing that specific fish because it could only reproduce under the specific conditions of a rapid cold turbulent part of the Yangtze River. Could not reproduce anywhere else, God knows why.

      Made no difference. His natural alternative was banned, and chemicals still rule the waters.

      Wait, I’ve got another …

      3. A very well known Atlanta attorney told me of his experience running into the bureaucracy of Big Business/Big Government. The firm’s client, a Georgia Tech professor, had developed a water purification method using UV light (1980s) which delivered pure water to homes and businesses for 1/100th the cost of the chemicals used today. The chemical company lobby squashed that like a bug. City of Atlanta was ready to reduce their costs by tens and tens of millions. But then Congress stepped and shouted NO. Doing it that way will defy all the standards of parts per billion in chlorine which are required. We’ll have to rewrite Laws! That can’t be done. Off with you …

      And so, clean, sanitary potable water absent chemicals died on the vine.

      What Each Of These Have In Common


      In the naturally powered home example … no mortgage money could be found because the homes did not meet FNMA/FHMC/FHA/VA rules for underwriting, thus … no lending institution would underwrite a mortgage on a home smart as ours because they would not be able to shuffle off the Loan into the secondary market where all homes “conform” to certain criteria. Congress created the monster that you see spread across the land, hooked into the grid, with fake sprayed on ‘plasters’ and cheap water based paints and poorly constructed everything else because these cookie cutter homes “conform” to the requirements of the government agencies which craft the rules agreeable to the secondary markets the government sells the portfolios to.

      In the example of Jim and his fish, Legislation again is the bugaboo. They simply outlawed Jim’s fish. In favor of chemicals.

      In the example of water quality, Legislation is on the books across the land that requires “x” parts per billion of chlorine in order to be genuflected over. Congress simply does not want the work of rewriting those Regs on favor of something will remove the chemicals, save lives, dramatically lower costs and improve damn near everything.

      Big … is the problem.


    • canary says:

      The global wamers say there is more oxygen from seaweed and fungus in water than that which comes froms trees. That is why people can’t sell these wetlands. Now there is land grabbing to
      actually build ponds and lakes in order to have a huge supply of water. It’s like they plan on putting a maze of gutters hooked up everywhere finally going into a spot. When it’s dry, they will take artificial turf out for soccer. So, that is very hypocritical to make a wetland, then destroy it.

      Also, the EPA plans on making people get new roofs. The unnoticeable composite or dirt that might wash down from a roof could clog the water that goes into the gutters in streets. People are going to have to have rain barrels.

      2nd Rrason they plan to enforce new type roof is because with the storms they plan increasing because of global warming, people need stronger roofs.

      This is an example of creating jobs. The more regulations the more jobs. There are going to be so many regulations that people aren’t going to have time to breath.

    • Mithrandir says:

      ♠ The corrupt system we have today is similar to the Hitlarian model: Make a maze of smashing regulations, and if you are a party member, they are waved for you. If not, you cannot operate. Hitler had NO PROBLEMS with capitalism, as long as big business helped his National Socialist goals, which is the same in the U.S. in the 21st Century.

      ♠ The housing thing you talked about is one of 1000s of common sense solutions. Conditions and byproducts that re-cirulate to help another condition, like a perpetual motion machine. There is no question that we should be light-years ahead of where we are now, it’s only government that holds people back, which is a slap in the face, as our government was supposed to be designed to help us. –That’s the theory anyway.

      Government stops and controls real PROGRESS
      ~Hydrogen fuel
      ~Electric cars
      ~Wireless electricity
      ~Truly energy-efficient homes
      ~1000 mpg engine
      ~Solar energy

      ~The L.A. subway system scrapped and sold so that returning WWII vets would buy CARS.

      ~Politicians benefiting from Prohibition, while everyone else suffered, jailed, and convicted.

      Fight Back with David Horowitz had a glaze made from a man’s garage with baking soda and other stuff. The glaze would not burn or catch on fire. The put the glaze over an egg, put it in a laboratory nuclear flash generator, egg still cool to the touch. Gee, 32 years later, it was never seen again.

      ♠ As soon as the government is aware of something their wealthy lobbyists don’t like, legislation is FAST-TRACKED in order to stop it. This is the “spotted owl” and “snail darter” ruse that goes on all the time. Don’t have an excuse to stop something? Invent an excuse using bugs or animals. That is why there are 10,000 regs and laws on the books, so that they can always find a way to stop you, and/or prosecute you.
      This is why term limits is the most important thing, to get rid of self-serving politicians whose only goal is to stay in office.

      ♠ If you read my posts, you will understand why I believe this Republican/Democrat game has never produced fruit for the American population, and never will. It’s a distraction, and a power game they are both comfortable playing……always at our expense, figuratively, and literally.
      This is why I didn’t fall for the “vote for Mitt Romney or we are ruined!” scam. We have been ruined since at least FDR, wake up.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Absolutely on every point, Mith. It’s astonishing isn’t it? EVERYTHING that is Washington DC is corrupt, a political mafia that has enslaved America and tied her down with chains of evil which looks like “our good”.

      And I do mean everything.


      Me and thee, Mithrandir. Thee and me.

  3. captstubby says:

    “It’s so cold today I saw a democrat with his hands in his own pockets.”

    Bob Hope

  4. imnewatthis says:

    Good points Rusty.

  5. captstubby says:

    President Barack Obama has his highest approval ratings since the killing of Osama bin Laden

    “Codebreaking enabled America to kill Japan’s ablest admiral, Yamamoto, during his tour of the Solomon Island defenses on April 13, 1943. His flying schedule had been put on air, the Japanese communications office claiming, `The code only went into effect on April 1 and cannot be broken.’ In fact the Americans had done so by dawn on April 2. The shooting down of Yamamoto’s plane was personally approved by FDR as a legitimate act of war. After it was accomplished, a signal was sent to the theater commander, Admiral William (‘Bull’) Halsey (1882—1959), who commanded the South Pacific Fleet in the Solomons Campaign. It read: `Pop goes the weasel.’ He exclaimed: `What’s so good about it? I’d hoped to lead that scoundrel up Pennsylvania Avenue in chains.’”

  6. canary says:

    How tacky for Obama to release a posed photo of him taking the “concession call from Romney” on his White House site. The photo by his paid photographer for his memoirs that General Allen is writing for him.

  7. canary says:

    sn’t it strange while Egypt’s new leader Morsi helped Mohamed Gamal Abu Ahmed escape prison in Egypt in 2011 to aid in the overthrow of Mubarak, now we learn he came back from Libya and put in a plush prison home with many wives, as U.S. expected his involvement belonging to the Abu Ahmed group with ties with Al-Qaeda for decades.

    But, go back to approx June 2012 after Morsi’s Isn’t it strange in June 2012 , Morsi demanded the U.S. “free” Abu Ahmed’s long time buddy Omar Abdel Rahman who was responsible for WTC bombing for humanitarian reasons for humanitarian reason because Omar is one of many claiming to be the blind eyed anti-Christ.

    Being told no by Obama, Morse compromised and assured he would imprison Omar, if Obama handed the U.S. sentenced terrorist to Morsi.
    Republicans said no way. The election was coming up too.

    So, after Morsi provided Abu Ahmed a safe haven in Egypt, honoring his attack and murders of U.S. American’ in Libya he ,mentored Morsi to take full power and write Egypt s new constitution.

    Congress has skipped the key issues jumping straight to listening to Hillary’s discuss what security changes she’s made om Benghazi.

    We will never know the important answers as to withdrawing security in a growing volatile region.

    Had U.S. Ambassador Steven’s kept his mouth shut, perhaps he would be alive today. That is if the original kidnapping plan to exchange Steven’s for Omar who would go to prison only to soon afterwards join Abdel in escaping again.

    They could have made a swap this way. Only a former Special Forces soldier ignored the orders given 3 times not to provide help. Believing aid would soon show up to help him to fight Al-Qaeda, the original plan went sour.

    Isn’t it strange while Egypt’s new leader Morsi helped Mohamed Gamal Abu Ahmed escape prison in Egypt to help overthrow Mubarak, now
    you have to wonder.

  8. canary says:

    One of Maxines best.


    We need to show more sympathy for these people.
    They travel miles in the heat.
    They risk their lives crossing a border.
    They don’t get paid enough wages.
    They do jobs that others won’t do or are afraid to do.
    They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
    They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ everyday.
    I’m not talking about illegal Mexicans
    I’m talking about our troops! Doesn’t it seem strange that so many are willing to lavish all kinds
    of social benefits on illegals, but don’t support our troops?
    Wouldn’t it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that’s billion) we spend on illegals every
    year, and spend it on our troops.

    And gave me the right to send this to anyone that I please!!!

  9. canary says:

    News and video’s of Michigan Union thugs acts of violence

    this one is heartbreaking of demolishing an African American’s hot dog man’s vendor because it was white, as the tent right to work demonstrators was white.

    Heckuva job: Michigan union thugs destroyed hot dog vendor’s cart

    Union Thugs Demolish Clint Tarver’s Iconic Lansing,Michigan Hot Dog Cart [Photo-Donation Link] Update: Thugs Yelled “N*Gger, Uncle Tom” Update 5: Audio: Clint Confirms The Slurs On The Dana Loesch Show
    On December 12, 2012, in news, politics, by Velvet Hammer

    By Michelle Malkin • December 12, 2012

    heartbreaking picture and union thugs calling the old man racist names

  10. canary says:


    Obama changing Army Manual and every federal agency manuals to accept radical Islam and Sharia Law.

    Government meals of halal cuisine prepared according to Islamic law will replace apples and biscuits.

    Gay’s and Women should be outraged.


    Judicial Watch: New Army Manual Orders Soldiers Not To Criticize Taliban

    Dec 11 2012

    The soon-to-be-released Army handbook is still being drafted, but a mainstream newspaper got a sneak preview and published an article that should infuriate the American taxpayers funding the never-ending war on terror.

    The bottom line is that troops may experience social-cultural shock and/or discomfort when interacting with Afghan security forces, the new military handbook says. “Better situational awareness/understanding of Afghan culture will help better prepare [troops] to more effectively partner and to avoid cultural conflict that can lead toward green-on-blue violence.”
    towards Afghans,” “mentioning homosexuality and homosexual conduct” or “anything related to Islam.”

    Read more about Muslim outreach

    Obama’s see’s nothing wrong as his mother raised him with Islam in his formative age, followed by his father’s side of the families violent and barbaric history.

    This will make his supporting Sharia Law in Kenya as a Senator explainable. Now he wants to change American culture and values.

  11. captstubby says:

    both the Democrat Senate and President are violating the Constitution by not signing a Budget.

    The House Of Representatives have strong Constitutional Powers, and the Democrat Party is responsible for them not fulfilling their obligation.

    The Budget of the United States Government often begins as the President’s proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. However, Congress is the body required by law to pass a budget annually and to submit the budget passed by both houses to the President for signature. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.
    If Congress fails to pass an annual budget (as has been the case since 2009), a series of Appropriations bills must be passed as “stop gap” measures. After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it (as he would a budget when passed by the Congress). A vetoed bill is sent back to Congress, which can pass it into law with a two-thirds majority in each chamber. Congress may also combine all or some appropriations bills into an omnibus reconciliation bill. In addition, the president may request and the Congress may pass supplemental appropriations bills or emergency supplemental appropriations bills.

    Article I, Section 8. The Congress shall have power . . .To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
    Amendment XIV, Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law,
    Amendment XIV, Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
    Section 4 confirmed the legitimacy of all United States public debt appropriated by the Congress.
    In the United States, the federal government can pay for expenditures only if Congress has appoved the expenditure. If the total expenditure exceeds the revenues collected there is a budget deficit, and the only way that the shortfall can be paid for is for the government, through the Department of the Treasury, to borrow the shortfall amount by the issue of debt instruments. Under federal law, the amount that the government can borrow is limited by the debt ceiling, which can only be increased with a vote by Congress.

    Democratic lawmaker and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner suggested that the President could declare that the debt ceiling violates the Constitution and issue an Executive Order to direct the Treasury to issue more debt They point to Section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution, passed in the context of the Civil War Reconstruction,?

    Budget Control Act of 2011

    The agreement cut spending more than it increased the debt limit. In the first installment (“tranche”), $917 billion would be cut over 10 years in exchange for increasing the debt limit by $900 billion.
    The agreement established a Congressional Joint Select Committee that would produce debt reduction legislation by November 23, 2011, that would be immune from amendments or filibuster. The goal of the legislation is to cut at least $1.5 trillion over the coming 10 years and should be passed by December 23, 2011. The committee would have 12 members, 6 from each party.
    Projected revenue from the Joint Select Committee’s legislation must not exceed the revenue baseline produced by current law
    The agreement specified an incentive for Congress to act. If Congress fails to produce a deficit reduction bill with at least $1.2 trillion in cuts, then Congress can grant a $1.2 trillion increase in the debt ceiling. This would trigger across-the-board cuts (“sequestration”) of spending, equally split between defense and non-defense programs. The cuts would apply to mandatory and discretionary spending in the years 2013 to 2021 and be in an amount equal to the difference between $1.2 trillion and the amount of deficit reduction enacted from the joint committee. The sequestration mechanism is the same as the Balanced Budget Act of 1997. There are exemptions—across the board cuts would apply to Medicare, but not to Social Security, Medicaid, civil and military employee pay, or veterans.
    Congress must vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment between October 1, 2011, and the end of the year.
    The debt ceiling may be increased an additional $1.5 trillion if either one of the following two conditions are met:
    A balanced budget amendment is sent to the states
    The joint committee cuts spending by a greater amount than the requested debt ceiling increase
    Most of the $900 billion in cuts occur in future years, and so will not remove significant capital from the economy in the current and following year The across-the-board cuts could not take place until 2013. If they are triggered, a new Congress could vote to reduce, eliminate, or deepen all or part of them. Under the U.S. Constitution, the President could veto such a future bill passed by Congress; in such a scenario, Congress would have pass a bill to override this veto by a two-thirds majority of each house of Congress

  12. canary says:

    Keep up with Obama’s social events and Christmas vacation and enjoy not the White House.


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