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‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Friday, January 4th, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

9 Responses to “‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. Anonymoose

    Thinking about Obama–really the stuffed shirt that talks to the teleprompter–and all the deliberate comparison between him and Lincoln, FDR, a little Kennedy, and practically any other known leader.

    But you know, I think it’s FDR; by design.

    Look at the similarities:

    Born to a privileged family:

    FDR: From a wealthy New York family, his 5th cousin and role model was president Teddy Roosevelt, and went to Harvard.

    Obama: Despite all the tries to make him as an “everyman” Obama’s grandmother was–not a worker at a bank–but the Vice President of the Bank of Hawaii, and went to Harvard.

    Radicalization:

    Obama: Well, we all know about this.

    FDR: Kind of a wobbler; he was influenced by TR, his school headmaster, and his mother. This was before the Red Scare in the US, and by all indication FDR was his own man and told everyone else what to do. Most likely he was someone who’d never been poor or lived among the poor, but felt he knew what was best. Did he ever question himself or his purpose? Probably not.

    Marriage that’s an “arrangement.”

    FDR: This is well known, Eleanor was frigid and hated sex, which was probably what drove FDR to an affair with Lucy Mercer, a woman he probably genuinely loved, however the social mores of the time would have made divorce a scandal, so they kept separate lives while Eleanor became a social activist. Let’s see, the number of Democrats who’ve had happy, faithful and loving marriages is far outnumbered by the ones who slept around as the Washington Love Machine (aka, Clinton and Hillary)

    Obama: I don’t think we’ll hear about any extramarital affairs–with men, women, or anyone else. Heck, has anyone even tracked down any of the women that made up his “composite girlfriend?” Meanwhile we have a social activist wife living it up at the taxpayer’s expense. If you think they have a sincere and happy relationship, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Elected by a shift in the voters.

    FDR: The New Deal/Fifth Party Coalition–marked by class polarization, and included organized labor, blacks, ethnic Americans (Italian and Polish-Americans) intellectuals, White Southerners, and Jews.

    Obama: Most often called “Progressive,” (Oddly the name for the previous Fourth Party System), including organized labor, blacks, ethnic Americans (Hispanics) intellectuals, and feminists.

    Ran a campaign based on an artificial “Happy” message:

    Obama: “Hope and Change”

    FDR: “Happy Days are Here Again”

    Claimed to be for everyone but worked only for the interests of the Democratic party:

    Obama: “I Won”

    FDR: Refused to meet with Hoover, said it’s “Not my baby.”

    Elected during a fiscal crisis and ramrodded pro-government legislation using a Democrat super-majority that otherwise would never have been accepted:

    Obama: Obamacare and the bailaout

    FDR: The New Deal, NRA (Recovery, not rifles), CCC, and so on. He even tried to tax 100% of income above $25,000 during the war.

    Won a second term by a landslide:

    FDR: Carried every state but Maine and Vermont.

    Obama: Nope, went off script on that one……

    Gun Control:

    FDR: Never portrayed as a gun control president (but has any Democrat not gone after guns?) however the 1934 NFA act was enacted during his term.

    Obama: Claimed he wouldn’t touch guns, but we know what’s coming.

    Supreme Court:

    FDR: His biggest scandal was trying to pack the court, nominating a judge of his choice for any judge over 70, and when that was shot down offered retirement income for any judge who retired.

    Obama: Well, Roberts isn’t voting as expected, and the other conservatives are getting old and may be replaced in this term.

    A personality that relies on charisma for mass appeal:

    FDR: Fireside chats on the radio, playing up America as the Arsenal of Democracy.

    Obama: Portrayed as charismatic, but is fiction. His personality is much more the brittle professor of Woodrow Wilson.

    Limited regard for self determination of the populace, or letting business, industry, or individuals succeed on their own:

    Obama/FDR: Practically the same, government is the way.

    An end game to policies that is unproven and unseen:

    FDR: Every schoolchild is raised hearing that FDR saved us from the Depression by making a lifeline for the country. Even today you can see works built by the CCC, and some programs such as Social Security were arguably good. But by making so many citizens employees of the government and dependent on it, and increasing the spending to astronomical levels many have argued he ended up prolonging the Depression. There was no real timetable or plan on when his spending or programs would cease, and what ultimately brought us out of the Depression was the increase in manufacturing output of the Second World War. In the end there was no ultimate vindication that FDR was on the right track.

    Obama: The bailouts were filled with pork and had questionable results–there’s not much than can be pointed that shows a beneficial return. Cash for Clunkers? Put auto workers back on the job by writing a check, and destroyed the used car market. Green Energy? Have any of these companies been successful? Obamacare–the cornerstone of his presidency–has turned into a tax and insurance demand from the populace. Whatever little can be argued as good, such as refusing to deny people on pre-existing conditions, is offset by the mandatory requirements. The debt has gone through the roof, and a war won’t save us–aside from no one wants WW III, we’re too internationalized to return to the “Arsenal of Democracy.” What will get us out of this? Who knows?

  2. canary

    Pelosi defends fake photoshopped photo.

    So, I guess since only a few Senators saw pics as proof of Osama Bin Laden dead, they should take another peek.

    http://www.ksat.com/news/polit.....index.html

    Just how much photoshopping has been done we don’t know about.

    • canary

      Dam. Pelosi photoshopping is a poor example for immigrants.
      Maybe Obama’s birth certificate needs another look with 70%ish of Hawaii voting for him

  3. Curiosity

    Hey Canary-
    A few days ago, you asked:
    “Of [Obama and Romney], who would Jesus have voted for?”

    I actually bet Jesus would have voted for Obama, specifically because of how under Obama, things will keep getting worse: every time the Israelites were prosperous, they turned from God; every time things got worse, they turned back to God.

    That said, I voted for the lesser of two evils, but the above reason is why I’m not super bothered by the outcome… maybe now my friends will open their eyes… I can dream, right?

  4. Happy Saturday fellow S&L’rs

    Steve has graciously suggested I post the following to THE HIVE –

    http://www.finaletrilogy.com/

    In the works for several years, Volume 1 of the Finale Trilogy is now available on Amazon. Yes, its author is me. GetBackJack, or as the book cover says Jesse Hand Conroy. Along with my writing partner we’ve authored a three volume series on the end of the Age which we posit will be a war of Eugenics fought on a battlefield of Magic. But the magic used is not what you would assume. The magic is told at Genesis 3:1 and is the actual definition of the Hebrew word na’chash … in the English translations of Genesis it shows up as “serpent”. As in Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the beasts ….

    Na’chash/serpent actually means – to hiss, as in to whisper an enchantment or spell. Divination, magic, illusions, spells, enchantments; to practice magic, to be an enchanter, to work spells. To diligently observe. To learn by experience.

    Available on Kindle for $3.99 – over 600 pages Volume One is CITY

    It starts as a hard boiled detective mystery but slowly morphs that story into another then another then another then …. much of the plots used are taken from real events. Many of the characters are real people disguised. Virtually all of the landscapes and terrain are as described.

    I am proud of it. Volume Two MESA; being proofed now for an April release.

    Click around in the website. There’s an author’s blog click through as well as a link to our publishing company.

    If you choose to take the ride I hope you enjoy it.

    Sincerely Yours

    GetBackJack

    • DW

      Congratulations, Jack!

      I had a quick look at it on the Amazon website and read a ways into the prelude. Looks pretty good at first glance.

    • captstubby

      do we get a discount?
      just kidding.
      good luck .

    • Congratulations! I have always thought about getting something done in my life like this, but probably will not.

      Will check it out if there aren’t too many big words in it.

  5. canary

    The Freedom Outpost: Obama’s Gun Task Force Member Has Son Convicted Of Planning School Mass Murder

    Jan 9 2013 -by Tim Brown

    President of the National Assocation of Police Officers and Boston Police Officer Thomas Nee is the member in question. His son, Josephe Nee, was convicted in February 2008 for planning a Columbine-style ambush at Marshfield High School in 2004.

    According to Boston.com:

    Authorities learned about the plan in September of that year, when Nee went to police with two classmates and told officers that Kerns was planning a massacre at the school. Nee told police the plan involved taking ammunition and explosive devices into the school, securing the school’s exit doors with bicycle locks, and shooting students and staff.

    Police arrested Kerns the following day.

    Police didn’t arrest Nee until a month later, after friends of Kerns implicated Nee as the mastermind of the plot. The two youths were once close friends; Nee even lived at the Kerns’s home for a month during the spring of 2004.

    Kerns’s father, Ben, said that the boys had a falling out and that he believed Nee was trying to frame his son.

    A grand jury returned indictments against Nee and Kerns in October 2004, charging both with conspiracy to commit murder, promotion of anarchy, and threatened use of deadly weapons at a school. Kerns and Nee pleaded not guilty to the charges.

    Boston.com also reported of the first incident where Nee was seen with a .40 caliber Glock in his waistband by a female student as she was getting off the school bus and how she had heard Nee talk about “how the school was going to be shot up.” Apparently the firearm was his father’s service weapon.

    A female student told Marshfield Police that Joseph T. Nee, one of the two suspects in the case, pulled what she thought was a black, .40-caliber handgun from his waistband as she was getting off a school bus this past spring and told her “how the school was going to be shot up,” John P. McLaughlin, an assistant Plymouth district attorney, said at Nee’s arraignment Monday.

    Nee is the son of Thomas J. Nee, president of the Boston Police Patrolmen’s Association, the city’s largest police union. Boston police officers carry .40-caliber Glock handguns, according to a department spokeswoman.

    Nee’s lawyer, Thomas Drechsler, vowed to appeal. His client faced up to 20 years in prison. Nee, who has been free on $20,000 bail since January 2005, was taken into custody.

    The sentence came after a four-day bench trial that included testimony from a dozen witnesses. Nee was acquitted of two other charges: promotion of anarchy and threatened use of deadly weapons at a school.

    Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013.....z2HYubaeV9
    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013.....ss-murder/
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    The Boston Globe: Ex-student sentenced to serve 6 months for Marshfield plot

    February 19, 2008 – By Emily Sweeney

    Nee sat silently as the Plymouth Superior Court clerk outlined his fate: The total sentence spanned 2 1/2 years and included 2 years probation. Judge Charles M. Grabau ordered Nee to spend 9 months of that in the Plymouth House of Correction, but gave him credit for 92 days he has already served. The remaining 21 months of the sentence was suspended.

    Nee, now a 21-year-old student at Bunker Hill Community College, is the son of Thomas J. Nee, the president of the Boston Police Patrolmen’s Association. Thomas J. Nee said after the hearing that the family was �heartbroken.�

    It also marked the end of a disturbing case that sent shockwaves through the town of Marshfield in the fall of 2004, when Nee and his friend, 16-year-old Tobin Kerns, were accused of conspiring to kill students and faculty at Marshfield High.

    Police didn’t arrest Nee until a month later, after friends of Kerns implicated Nee as the mastermind of the plot. The two youths were once close friends; Nee lived at the Kernses’ home for a month during the spring of 2004.

    Kerns’s father, Ben, said that the boys had a falling out and that he believed Nee was trying to frame his son.

    http://www.boston.com/news/loc.....sente.html
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    2 years later ….Nee appeals to Supreme Court

    The Patriot Ledger: Joseph Nee seeks new trial in Marshfield bomb plot conviction

    By Dennis Tatz – Sept 6, 2010

    The state’s highest court will arguments Tuesday on the appeal of a Marshfield man convicted of conspiring to murder students and teachers at Marshfield High School in a Columbine-inspired massacre.

    Now, the 24-year-old Nee wants the state Supreme Judicial Court to toss out his conviction based on his claim of “renunciation.”

    Nee and two others were informants in the police investigation that led to Kerns’ arrest in September 2004. Nee, whose father, Thomas Nee, heads the Boston Police Patrolmen’s Association, was charged a month later.

    Police charged Nee in the plot after one of Kerns’ friends implicated him as the ringleader.

    Witnesses testified at Kerns trial that the group was Nee’s attempt at a clique to protect weak students and carry out revenge on those who tormented them.

    The prosecutor alleged Kerns jotted down items like guns, gas masks, rock climbing rope, acid, bleach, ammonia and bomb-making ingredients that Nee told him to write when they were planning a siege at the high school.

    Read more: Joseph Nee seeks new trial in Marshfield bomb plot conviction – Marshfield, MA – Marshfield Mariner http://www.wickedlocal.com/mar.....z2HYstFt7y

    If Nee loses his appeal perhaps he should be watched as he may feel bullied

    Bill Ayers should be allowed on the gun task force too.




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