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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, January 25th, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

11 Responses to “‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. captstubby says:

    “Thousands “march for gun control in Washington
    By BRETT ZONGKER | Associated Press –
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Thousands of people, many holding signs with names of gun violence victims and messages such as “Ban Assault Weapons Now,” joined a rally for gun control on Saturday, marching from the Capitol to the Washington Monument.
    Participants held signs reading “Gun Control Now,” ”Stop NRA” and “What Would Jesus Pack?” among other messages. Other signs were simple and white, with the names of victims of gun violence.
    Once the crowd arrived at the monument, speakers called for a ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition and for universal background checks on gun sales.
    Education Secretary Arne Duncan told the crowd it’s not about taking away Second Amendment gun rights, but about gun safety and saving lives. He said he and President Barack Obama would do everything they could to enact gun control policies.
    “This is about trying to create a climate in which our children can grow up free of fear,” Duncan said. “This march is a starting point; it is not an ending point … We must act, we must act, we must act.”
    Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D.C.’s non-voting representative in Congress, said the gun lobby can be stopped, and the crowd chanted back, “Yes, we can.”
    “We are all culpable if we do nothing now,” Norton said
    James Agenbroad, 78, of Garrett Park, Md., carried a handwritten sign on cardboard that read “Repeal the 2nd Amendment.” He called it the only way to stop mass killings because he thinks the Supreme Court will strike down any other restrictions on guns.
    “You can repeal it,” he said. “We repealed prohibition.”
    “The issue is guns. The Second Amendment gives us the right to own guns, but it’s not the right to own any gun,” she said. “These are assault weapons, made for killing people.”

    Adolph Hitler and his position on Gun Control.

    On March 23, 1933, the Reichstag passed, by a vote of 441 to 94, the enabling act
    that permitted the Cabinet to make laws without consulting that body and without
    action by the President. The Reichstag then dissolved sine die. The Cabinet of
    eleven members included three Nazis: Chancellor Hitler, Dr. Wilhelm F. Frick, and
    Hermann Göring.The others were Nationalists and appointees of President von
    The enabling act made the Hitler cabinet a dictatorship through three simple
    provisions. Article I provided: “Federal laws may be enacted by the government [the
    cabinet] outside of the procedure provided in the Constitution . . . .” Article II
    stated: “The laws decreed by the government may deviate from the Constitution . . .
    .” And Article III provided: “The laws decreed by the government are to be drafted
    by the Chancellor [Hitler] and announced in the Reichsgesetzblatt.”
    The above accounts concern Nazi policy to seize all arms from political
    opponents. Nazi policy also mandated the prohibition of possession of “military”
    firearms by citizens at large. An SA Oberführer warned about an ordinance issued by
    the provisional Bavarian Minister of the Interior:
    The deadline set by § 4 of the Ordinance for the Surrender
    of Weapons will expire on March 31, 1933. I therefore request the
    immediate surrender of all arms from former army stores to the local
    stations of the Gendarmie.
    Pursuant to § 3 of the ordinance, individuals may be
    permitted to keep a handgun together with proper ammunition for
    the protection of house and farm. Well-founded requests in this
    regard may be submitted to the local Gendarmerie stations by way
    of the mayor.
    The units of the national revolution, SA, SS, and
    Stahlhelm, offer every German man with a good reputation the
    opportunity to join their ranks for the fight. Therefore, whoever
    does not belong to one of these named units and nevertheless
    keeps his weapon without authorization or even hides it, must be
    viewed as an enemy of the national government and will be held
    responsible without hesitation and with the utmost severity.111
    In other words, anyone who possessed a military rifle or handgun was a
    public enemy unless he or she was a member of a Nazi-approved organization. Of the
    three listed organizations, the SS (Schutzstaffeln) or Elite Guard of the National
    Socialist Party, headed by Heinrich Himmler, emerged as the most powerful Nazi police
    organization.The SA (Sturmabteilung) or storm troopers were appointed as an
    auxiliary police force which carried out many of the excesses of the Nazi revolution
    until its leadership, headed by Ernst Roehm, were eliminated in the “night of the long
    knives” in 1934.The Stahlhelm or Steel Helmets, a veterans’ organization, had
    as its honorary commander President Hindenburg, whose death in 1934 would
    complete Hitler’s consolidation of absolute power and doubtlessly eliminated this
    organization’s special privileges.
    On March 28, the State Ministry of the Interior headed by Frick issued a
    secret directive to the government units, police, municipal commissars, and special
    commissioners of the highest SA leaders regarding the execution of the ordinance on
    the surrender of military weapons. It began: “Despite all of the measures taken so far,
    parts of the population opposed to the national government and the national
    movement behind it are still in possession of military weapons and military
    ammunition.”116 It ordered the police “immediately to order the population to
    surrender any military weapons in a timely manner to the special commissars listed in
    the official gazettes as well as in the local press.” Weapons to be surrendered
    included not just heavy weapons but also “military rifles” (which were bolt actions)
    and “army revolvers.” The directive continued:
    Pursuant to § 4, paragraph 2, of the ordinance the Special
    Commissar of the Highest SA Leader may exempt members of the
    SA, SS, and Stahlhelm units as well as members of veterans’
    associations by confidential order to the pertinent leaders of those
    units/associations. Under no circumstances may the public,
    especially the press, be informed about this exemption, given the
    fact that the provisions on disarmament of the Versailles Treaty are
    still in effect. Further, upon request, the Special Commissar may
    allow reliable persons to keep a rifle together with the necessary
    ammunition for the protection of house and farm. The same applies
    to army revolvers that are the personal property of the owner. Only
    such persons can be considered reliable from whom a loyal attitude
    toward the national government can be expected. These approved
    exceptions must also be treated as confidential.
    The surrendered arms were to be stored with the SA, SS, and Stahlhelm.
    These groups in turn would assist the police “to conduct weapons searches in places
    where military weapons and military ammunition are still suspected.”
    A terse newspaper announcement about the above began: “We would like
    to point out one more time that all military weapons and ammunition in private
    possession have to be surrendered by March 31, 1933 . . . .” It warned: “If we find
    military weapons or ammunition after 31 March 1933, we will be forced to proceed
    ruthlessly . . . .”
    the Nazis now turned their attention more toward the Jews..

    17 Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law, No. 3, 483-535 (2000)
    Stephen P. Halbrook*


    • canary says:

      Communist Party USA (CPUSA) cheers Obama gun grab

      quotes and figures from –

      America in Chains

      Nazi Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

      In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.

      China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.

      Cambodia established gun control in 1956. Between 1975 and 19793, 2,035,000 “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

      During the short four years of its rule in Cambodia, Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge government murdered over 31 percent of the entire Cambodian population.

      “If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”
      – The Dalai Lama, May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times

      “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.”
      – Mohandas K. Gandhi


      Modern day slavery in Africa


      Slavery in Modern Mali Africa


      In this situation Islamic extremists are giving Mali slaves and sick people in hospitals guns, bombs, money and benefits.

      The Islamic extremist terrorists literally stay outside the hospitals 24/7 in Mali offering jobs to the ill and disabled that need a job. And from what we learned from the US embassy murderers, the Islamic extremist terrorists camp outside Benghazi hospital too.

    • River0 says:

      This is the latest deception from the Dictator-In-Chief: Give up just part of your Second Amendment right to “keep and bear arms.” Finally, Speaker Boehner recognizes that the Demonicrats want to, “annihilate the Republican Party”. This is another step on that road.

      From Fox News:

      President Obama Says GOP Should “Compromise on gun control”
      The president is suggesting that House Republicans on the issue of gun control appear neither willing to work with him nor listen to the American public on the issue. [Work with him? Discuss and negotiate? We know what he’s all about, now. Those who dance with the devil get burned].

      “The House Republican majority is made up mostly of members who are in sharply gerrymandered districts that are very safely Republican and may not feel compelled to pay attention to broad-based public opinion, because what they’re really concerned about is the opinions of their specific Republican constituencies,” the president said in an interview with The New Republic. [Of course, Obummer and his minions are saintly in their motives; unlike Republicans].

      Obama also said he can get 50 percent of public support for many of his upcoming initiatives, but “I can’t get enough votes out of the House of Representatives to actually get something passed. … I think there is still shock on the part of some in the party that I won re-election.” [He’s a scholar of the Constitution? Pure fraud. He doesn’t know that the Constitution is designed to protect the minority from the majority? That’s the only way tyranny can be stopped].

      Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politic…..z2JDWLnFEJ

  2. canary says:

    UK Police more concerned of gays being harrassed by their Muslim patrols enforcing Sharia
    Law in the streets

    Guardian.co.uk. ‘Muslim patrol’ gang: police arrest three more after homophobic video

    Officers are investigating a string of incidents in east London over the weekend where the group harassed members of the public.

    In the film, titled “Muslim vigilantes in London harass and taunt gay male”, they are heard to shout “get out of here you fag … don’t stay around here any more”.

    Det Chief Inspector Wendy Morgan from Tower Hamlets borough said: “The Met takes such homophobic behaviour[sic] very seriously.

    “This man is a crucial witness in the investigation and would encourage him and anyone else with information relating to this incident to make contact in confidence as soon as possible.”

    New arrests bring total to five after incidents and YouTube videos in which east London gang harass members of public


    Escalating of Muslim Sharia Law patrols hitting London streets

    The Sunday Times: Muslim vigilantes in ‘hate crime assault’

    Police fear an escalation of unrest as gangs patrol east London streets seeking out those who ‘disobey God’

    Dipesh Gadher – 27 Jan 2013

    VIGILANTE patrols by Islamic extremists have spilled into violence, with police now investigating a religiously motivated attack on a white victim in London. Fanatics in the capital have considered targeting abortion clinics, which they accuse of “murder”, and also plan to protest against gambling by picketing betting shops.


    (I have to question UK’s reports the Muslim Patrol is protesting abortion clinics when Islam approves of abortion.
    If they are protesting abortion clinics it’s most likely trying to get them to follow Sharia Law and perform female circumcision.)

    Bare-Naked Islam: Five Muslims from the ‘Sharia Patrol’ arrested for harassing women, gays, and people with alcohol

    Detectives voiced particular concern about a YouTube video entitled “Muslim vigilantes in London harass and taunt gay male”, in which a group of men verbally abuse a man in the street for being homosexual. (Yes, nothing was done until they started to harass homosexuals)

    UK Daily Mail The hooded men, who call themselves Muslim Patrol, have been filmed walking London’s streets and calling white women ‘naked animals with no self respect.’

    The group is also shown taking ‘evil’ booze from revellers and film a cyclist being treated after a road accident, claiming they were injured because they were unclean.

    Detectives voiced particular concern about a YouTube video entitled “Muslim vigilantes in London harass and taunt gay male”, in which a group of men verbally abuse a man in the street for being homosexual.


    Group has released a video filmed in London called: ‘The Truth About Saturday Night’

    By Martin Robinson – Jan 20 2013

    The video, which first appeared on The Commentator, states: ‘From women walking the street dressed like complete naked animals with no self respect, to drunk people carrying alcohol, to drunks being killed in the middle of the road, we try our best to capture and forbid it all.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263905/Muslim-patrol-Hooded-vigilantes-walking-streets-London-telling-women-cover-taking-alcohol-hands-revellers-behave-Islamic-way.html


    UK media reports UK Muslims not acknowledging evolution not as great as problem in US as they seek to make resisting Muslims believe in evolution. .

    Muslim Scientists are going so far as to say Muslims were 1st to discover evolution.

    The Guardian.co.uk: Muslims engage in quest to understand evolution

    Jan 9 2013

    More than 850 delegates flocked to a seminal conference in London on Saturday about the compatibility of modern evolutionary theory and Islamic theology – despite scaremongering and the refusal of Islamic student societies to participate.

    Recent debates in the US suggest that evolution is not as much of a problem theologically to Muslims as it is to Christian creationists, but there is work to be done to clarify the situation.

    One of the speakers was Professor Ehab Abouheif, an evolutionary biologist at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

    Beamed into Logan Hall via satellite was Dr Oktar Babuna, a spokesperson for Harun Yahya – founder of the controversial Turkish creationist movement that has often been accused of obscuring clear scientific thinking.

    Much to the amusement of the audience, Babuna repeatedly offered a £5m cash prize to anyone who can find a transitional fossil.

    Abouheif’s swift rebuttal fell on deaf ears.

    Fatima Jackson, a biological anthropologist at the University of Maryland, offered a compelling alternative narrative.

    In her view, exploring natural phenomena helps to bring us closer to God. “Evolution doesn’t replace faith, it complements it.”

    Each primate, she said, “has its own trajectory from a common ancestor which has diversified”.

    Hasan courageously presented evolution as a theory initially recorded by Muslim thinkers.

    Qadhi disagreed: “It is sacrilegious to have two different Islamic opinions on this issue.”

    He addressed the ultimate sticking point for the majority of Muslims: “God created Adam to fit into the grand scheme of things. Adam and Eve did not have parents – they did not evolve. Any other position is scripturally[sic] indefensible.”

    Hassan responded by suggesting that religious scholars who do not understand the sciences should not interfere. “It is not the job of theologians to dictate what scientists can and cannot do. Isn’t your attitude holding back the Muslim ummah?”

    Qadhi’s reply provoked rapturous applause from the audience. “The Qur’an compels us to believe in the super rational; that which is beyond our comprehension.”


    Actually, Islamic extremists have been spreading untruths that whites evolved from pigs, based on the similarity of brains. It is their propaganda in considering pigs evil and sinful to make Muslims believe the white race is vile.

    • Mithrandir says:

      The irony of multi-culturalism blowing up in the liberals’ face is too good! I guess those lax immigration policies aren’t so good after all? Hilarious in the video the muslim IN ENGLAND says, “This is a mooslim area, get outta here.”

      Let the muslims beat-down liberalism, and stand aside. There is NO REASON why conservatives should stand in between two radicals and be the enemy of both. Direct liberals to the intolerance of Islam, and re-direct Islamists to the heretical behaviors of liberalism, and watch them tear each other apart. They are natural enemies, and can never really co-exist.

  3. canary says:

    While Hurricane Sandy victims do without electricity, NYC Mayor Bloomberg announced he is giving 1 billion dollars this year to Johns Hopkins University, of the 25 billion dollars he plans on leaving the University at time of his death.

    • GetBackJack says:

      “Behind every great fortune, lies an equally great crime.”

      This remark about Bloomberg is a paraphrase from a line in Honoré de Balzac’s tragicomic novel “Le Père Goriot.” The quote in its original French:

      “Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime oublié, parce qu’ il a été proprement fait.”

      Institut de Linguistique Française: Balzac

      An English translation:

      “The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly executed.”

      If this doesn’t eloquently descfibe Michael Bloomberg and the Democrat Criminal Family Mafia …. tell me what does.

  4. canary says:

    Interesting the woman that fought for right to carry concealed weapon who survived Libby shooting, but parents were killed. That she had left her gun in the car.

    She was on FOX and brought up that the police who weren’t able to easily identify the shooter as people like her could, so they fired a shot in the ceiling and the gunman ran and hid in a food locker or something.

    She pointed out how common it is for these shooters to kill themselves once someone with a gun shows up.

    Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc. etc. etc. And then look at the ones that turn themselves in, AZ, the Joker.

    In Columbine it was a problem for police to identify who was doing the shooting.

    And it doesn’t hurt to have cameras surrounding a school and a monitor. After all they are trying to force electric smart meters on every home in this country. Perhaps, it should be scrapped and our children.

  5. canary says:


    January 25, 2013

    Washington, D.C. – In an ongoing effort to delay the delivery of F-16 fighter jets to Egypt, U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), Ranking Member of Senate Armed Services Committee, today sent a letter to President Obama expressing his concern and disappointment in the State Department’s decision to move forward with the delivery despite instability in the region and change of leadership. Inhofe requested the President take action to delay any remaining F-16s to Egypt until Congress has had time to further review the Foreign Military Sale.

    “The recent transfer of four F-16 Block 52 fighter jets to Egyptian Armed Forces is troubling, and future deliveries of the remaining sixteen jets scheduled to be completed by the end of 2013 should be delayed until Congress has had time to review further this Foreign Military Sale,” said Inhofe in the letter. “The fact that conditions have changed significantly and substantively since this sale was initially approved merits closer scrutiny of this proposed action as other partners and allies look to see if our aid and assistance continues to be based on principle.”

    Inhofe continued, “Under Muslim Brotherhood President Morsi, there has been constant instability, and the systematic exclusion and silencing of all official minority political opposition. This has resulted in massive street protests, and the passage of a new constitution that has been widely criticized as lacking any protection of minority political or religious rights. In addition, recent and repeated anti-semitic and anti-Israel statements by Egyptian government leaders, including President Morsi, calls into serious question whether this government will uphold its commitments under the Camp David Peace Accords, which has kept the peace in the Middle East between these two countries for over four decades.”

    For a full copy of the letter, please click here.

    On Dec. 17, 2012, Inhofe in a letter called on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to delay the planned delivery of 20 F-16 fighter jets to Egypt. On. Jan. 8, Inhofe received a response from the U.S. State Department stating it was in the best interest of the U.S. to proceed with the delivery of the F-16s.


    F-16 Letter to President Obama (269.9 KBs)


  6. canary says:

    Hillary Clinton’s shocking confession on Benghazi


    A glimpse of interview with Greta FOX tonight.

    Hillary Clinton counts confessions on her fingers, they knew the U.S. Embassy in Benghazi was in serious danger, and reasons why they endangered the murdered U.S. Ambassador and other Americans. One reason given was they new there were “loose” weapons and they were looking for “leads” to find those loose weapons.

    When she says they wanted they wanted them there, this contradicts the White House administration claiming they did not order the US Ambassador there and it was his own fault. Perhaps, the Obama administration blaming the US Ambassador and Americans for their own deaths was lost in the blood clot in the brain hospitalization.

    And for Hillary to say she will be writing her memoirs might not be too reliable. Hopefully, Hillary’s Muslim assistant with Muslim Brotherhood connections, who was given a high award for forming so many policies this year, will write it for her. It may be a way to see just what policies were made by which of the two women, and surely will cover the impact of the Wiener tweeter scandal that Wiener apologized to Bill over.

  7. canary says:

    UK media inconsistencies reporting on gay dog in US sentenced to death, to an animal expert that spins the gay animal theory.

    Seriously, two same sexed dogs can not mate, yet alone make children.

    The outlest did not report on Muslim Patrols harassing citizens until other outlets showed video, and did not try to get the deviants caught.

    DailyMail.co.uk. : Dog sentenced to death because he is ‘gay’ is SAVED at the last minute by animal lover… and she’s going to call him ELTON!

    By Daniel Miller and James Nye – Jan 31 2013

    After the the plight of the American Bulldog mix was seen by millions online, Stephanie Fryns, a veterinary technician from Jackson, stepped up this afternoon and adopted him from Jackson TN Euthanasia.

    Naming him Elton, Fryns, who already owns four dogs said that she had planned to rescue him even before his story had traveled around the Internet.

    Describing the 50 pound dog as ‘pretty friendly’, Fryn said, ‘He’s pretty scared of everything, which is understandable.

    But he loved the car ride.’

    She said she suspected that Elton had been involved in illegal dog-fights, but that it was impossible to confirm.

    Fryn doubted he had been used routinely in dog fights because of his ‘submissive’ nature.

    ‘His owner threw him away bc he refuses to have a ‘gay’ dog!’ wrote a user who calls herself ‘Jackson Madison Rabies Control Stalker’.

    ‘I can’t understand it,’ said one shelter worker, who declined to give his name. ‘You know those dogs get on top of each other sometimes.’

    ‘I have had about 10 million calls this morning.

    n his book, Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality And Natural Diversity, Bruce Bagemihl argues against ‘heterosexist bias’, where researchers presume animals are heterosexual.

    He claims homosexual behavior has been observed in 1,500 species, and well-documented in 500 of these.


    Perhaps the 1 out of 5 gay penguins that are “in a caged jail”; still how could they mate.

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