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‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, September 7th, 2012. Comments are currently closed.

21 Responses to “‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. Anonymoose says:

    Like most people I’m on social networks, and it’s really getting me the people who are complaining the worst about political posters are the democrats/liberals, who say they “aren’t political” but hate those nasty Republicans and anyone who dares to say anything negative about Saint Obama. Must be nice to spew your spleen at any chance and not have it come back on your job and personal life; I guarantee anything I would say about Obama would be brought up with me at 9AM sharp the next day. And they have the usual defenses, that they’re smart/open minded/well informed. OTOH, to flame at the least offense, especially ones not even directed at them, shows that I’ve said before, that emotionally they’re children who want to do as they please and somehow expect the rest of the world to accept it.

  2. canary says:

    Finally, proof Obama attended Columbia University


    • GetBackJack says:

      Actually LOL’d

      Thank you

      Anonymoose – I’ll take you word for it. I won’t go near social media sites.

  3. canary says:

    Finally, proof Obama was in on SEAL mission to capture Osama bin Laden


  4. canary says:

    Jack here is cleaner proof Obama attended Columbia.


    Finally, proof Obama was in on SEAL mission to capture Osama bin Laden.
    Beautiful in action pic. Well done.


  5. Petronius says:

    I see that today’s Gallup Poll has Nerobama at 49% and Romney 46%.

    God help us all.

    I am reminded of something an old friend once said (and I quote) : “American voters are like pigs in a pen. All they want is slop and sex, and are least concerned that the butcher stands at the gate with his axe.”

    Which pretty well sums up our current situation.

    For even if by some miracle America is saved from four more years of Nerobama, who will save the future America from Americans?

    By the way, I am sick of hearing “Obama inherited a bad economy.” I am particularly sick of hearing this bromide issue from the mouths of Republicans.

    After Romney is elected, will the headlines read : “Romney inherits bad economy”?

    Ha! Fat chance.

    Actually (in a sane world) the headlines on 7 Nov should read : “Romney inherits WORSE economy!”

    The problem is not that this current mess is a jobless recovery. The problem is that it is not a recovery, full stop. Following a big recession there should be a bigger rebound. This has not happened. It has not happened primarily because of harmful — dangerous — fiscal, regulatory, anti-capital, and anti-business policies pursued by the regime.

    The regime’s policies have taken a damaged American economy and made it WORSE.

    The longer this sideways/downward drift goes on, the bigger grows the gap between where we are and where we should be in terms of national economic production (actual GDP versus potential GDP), and, therefore, future economic growth and recovery become ever more problematic and difficult.

    If this mess is prolonged for another four years, recovery and full employment may become almost impossible. See Okun’s Law :


    America is a very strong country. It is so strong that it may be able to survive even four years of Nerobama. (Although I shudder to think what Nerobama might do in his lame duck session Nov-Jan.) But in any case I seriously doubt that America is strong enough to survive eight years of Nerobama.

    The public debt of the US is now well over $16 trillion and growing at a rate of over one trillion dollars a year. It can never be paid off through conventional means. Paying it off would require both an absolute killer boost in taxes combined with a merciless slashing of entitlements. Neither of those things is politically in the cards, particularly in a recession. The hardship would be unimaginable.

    This vast $16 trillion public debt is actually a form of slavery. True, the debt is taken on voluntarily, or at least it has been taken on by those Leftist representatives duly elected by the American idiocracy –– elected in what was probably their worst moment of idiocy (2008). But once that debt has been taken on, the taxpayer is forced to work for others –– for our nation’s creditors, i.e., for China, Japan, the oil producing nations, et al., to pay off the debt. Unfortunately Americans can no longer say, as they once did, “we owe it to ourselves.” No, because we now owe it to the Chinese.

    This paying-down-the-debt path is often called austerity, but it should more properly be viewed as a form of long-term indentured servitude, if not outright slavery. It means accepting a much lower standard of living into the remote future, in return for enjoying the fruits of present day deficit spending.

    There is an alternative to slavery. The nation can default. It may default outright, or default through inflation.

    An outright default is a bankruptcy; it means US Treasury bonds become worthless (or nearly worthless) overnight, that bondholders both foreign and domestic take a haircut. An American default would probably spark a global economic collapse. Moreover, nobody would want to lend credit to the US in the foreseeable future (or at least they will not lend at acceptable rates of interest). Most countries have already stopped lending to us; the spigot has been turned off.

    This also means that future US government spending must be largely on a pay-as-you-go basis from a much reduced economic base. The country is substantially weakened, and rendered nearly defenseless against richer, stronger, aggressor nations (China, Russia, Iran, Mexico) who are better equipped by reason of vast oil, gold, and other resources to survive the global crisis.

    Alternatively the debt may be managed by inflating the currency, so that the debt is paid off in worthless paper money (Federal Reserve notes). This is another form of default. In this case the nation moves from slavery to chaos. The end game for hyperinflation is not always predictable, but would probably result in some form of national suicide, if we can judge from the brutal examples afforded by history, including by the Germans who (let’s face it) were a more clever people than we are.

    In theory the Fed can raise interest rates in order to tamp down inflation. Fed Chairman Bernanke has said that he can raise rates in 15 minutes. However, this flexibility may not be there when it is most needed: an increase in interest rates will precipitate a recession, or worse, it may turn our prolonged recession into a bottomless depression, particularly as regards housing. It would raise the cost of future government borrowing. The political will for a steep increase in interest rates generally is not present in a democracy, especially when it is most needed.

    So the crucial thing is to avoid debt in the first place. Unfortunately the Federal government under Nerobama has been piling up runaway debt at an astounding pace, over $5 trillion in under four years. This public debt now stands at $16 trillion, but it does not exist in a vacuum. This debt does not count over $2.8 trillion in State and local government debt. It does not take into account $15.9 trillion in Social Security liability. It does not count $872 billion in student loan debt, nor $896 billion in credit card debt. The personal debt of each and every American citizen now exceeds a back-breaking $50,000. When government debt is added to personal debt, each US citizen owes $181,000.

    Four more such years should finish us off, once and for all.

    Whether America can pull back from the fiscal cliff that we are presently stampeding toward remains to be seen. If it does not, we can look forward to a future of slavery (including the lower standard of living that slavery implies) or one of national bankruptcy, default, and collapse, or of hyperinflation and unpredictable chaos.

    We will have an answer to this question in a few more weeks.

    Can anyone say, “Who is John Galt?”

    • canary says:

      So Gallop changed the poll so the DOJ wouldn’t sue them for fraud when Romney was ahead?

      Just remember Axelrod said the Gallop does not use good polling methods. Gallop sux.

    • Steve says:

      Brilliant as always, Petronius.

      And all too true.

    • canary says:

      Technically, Obama has made the U.S. the poorest country in the World catering to social issues.
      Obama’s greatest concrete visible accomplishment has been gay rights.

      We need a diagram or graph of U.S. gay people. Technically show they can’t produce offspring for the future to pay off the debt. Technically show how many in the military are gay. Then put the over 20 Trillion dollars in debt on the graph to show Obama has put the U.S in. Not sure if this can be done on one 8 X 10 sheet of paper. Might have to show the gays at a negative figure.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:


      Thou hath spake the truth.

      And it is this truth the socialists refuse to see/hear/acknowledge. The republican party isn’t much better as there is, and has been for some time, a population segment in the bell-curve that has to expire in order for things to return to normal. They are the offspring of the WWII generation and will take a long time to die off.

      However, they are not allbad but those in the age group that Romney exemplifies are cock-sure, arrogant and have been told all their lives how utterly brilliant they are. Not too different from captain McFabulous, who is at the very tail-end of the generation of which I speak.

      I don’t like saying it but I see it everywhere I go. I am the same age as the man who sits in the president’s chair. I have watched my “peers” all my life and those ten and twenty years ahead of me. I have never been impressed except on very rare occasion. This may be because character is, as always, a rare trait, or it might be, as I suspect, not important to the people who I’m deliberately deriding.

      No, again, they’re not all like that but the managers in my company, the execs, the people “in charge” in government, who hold positions in the bureaucracies, all of them. The judges, the district attorneys, they are all of this segment where they all seem to be insufferably pleased with themselves, have no couth and even less humility.

      I have read many biographies and autobiographies by some pretty impressive people. Some of whom people insist are “arrogant” but, that arrogance is backed up by some serious accomplishments. Yeager, MacArthur, Patton, etc. They walked the walk so they can talk the talk. Sure, I would most likely feel I was suffering if I had to sit and listen to them. However, I would also have to acknowledge that on the scale of human achievement, they are way above me and warrant my respect.

      Romney, does not.

      Obama does not.

      McCain, other than his stint in the Navy, does not.

      Reagan does, and did.

      Carter, not…you see where I’m going with this.

      I have little respect for those who think they are entitled to it. On the other hand, I can be humble in front of someone who has truly accomplished the extraordinary. I would be humbled speaking with Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, or Stephen Hawking. Einstein, any astronaut.

      But let me put a condition. Say…some guy who climbed Mt Everest. I couldn’t care less. It is a serious achievement but serves little to no purpose. The first to do it was astounding.

      I am also humbled by disabled veterans who smile and wish me a good day, adding to my low self-opinion when I have the gall to complain about where I have to park or that someone cut in front of me in line. Trivial, when compared to their sacrifices and character.

      I do not seek perfection in people. But I also demand much from leaders of this nation. So far I can count on one hand the number of people in my lifetime who have served the people whom I respect. Sad showing, that. Pathetic even. But it also reminds me that politics is where people go who have no skills anywhere else. Sure, some end up there as a matter of course and there are some who have achieved much. But they are the exceptions rather than the rule. Most of the time, the people running for office are debutantes.

    • Petronius says:

      Rusty : “any astronaut.”

      America doesn’t have astronauts. It only has former astronauts.

      Here are some relevant remarks by Hugh Hendry, hedge fund mgr of London-based Eclectica Asset Management, offered at the Milkin Institute 2012 Global Conference panel, “Is It Time to Invest in Europe?” :

      “All of Europe has defaulted. There are many stakeholders in the Europe project. There are financial creditors, and then there are the citizens of Europe. And remarkably the political economy of Europe is such that the politicians chose to default on their spending obligations to their citizens in order to honor the pact with their financial creditors. And so as time moves on the politicians are being rejected. So when I look at Europe, the greatest source of inspiration I have is fiction. We are about to see France elect Mr. Hollande, 75 percent tax rate, set to reverse the reduction of the retirement age, set to massively expand the public sector. Elsewhere in Europe we have … the prime minister of Luxembourg, Mr Juncker, who is on record as having said, ‘When times get tough you have to lie.’ And yet the news chain from CNBC to Bloomberg to CNN, we drop at every comment that these liars make. The reality: you just can’t make up how bad it is.”

      “Can I make a confession? I haven’t finished, I can’t finish, Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. (A) It is incredibly long. (B) There are no pictures. (C) She has an intriguing writing style. But I can’t bring myself to finish it because it’s too depressing, because again it reads like nonfiction, she is describing the world of today. … When we had bans on short sales, that is an attack on free thought. We fought wars, people have died, for the preciousness of standing up and saying the emperor has no clothes. You banned short selling because we have reached a profound point in economic history where the truth is unpalatable to the political class––and that truth is that the scale and the magnitude of the problem is larger than their ability to respond––and it terrifies them.”

      “I think we are single-digit years away from the most profound market clearing moment, a 1932, or a 1982, where you don’t need smart guys or girls, you just need to be bold. The crisis started here [USA], it went to Europe, and the travails that we have discussed about Europe, they don’t cause dislocation…. To create the market clearing process that I fear is within reach, I think I would tantalize you, or fear you, with the notion that we could see a hard landing in Asia coinciding and indeed being encouraged by the problems in Europe, and if you get those two events colliding, and given the lack of protection on such a scenario in Asia, then you could have another profound dislocation, and that’s the point when you reach the bottom, and you don’t need wise guys, you just need courage.”


    • canary says:

      I caught Obama’s online answer question one of them being on funding NASA and Obama said they’d we would continue to contribute the Universal Space program and work on getting to MARs.

      We are looking at the biggest U.S. Security breech in history working on a universal space program.
      That is not why our astronauts risked their lives; many nearly dying and many died.

      Now that it’s more important than ever for national security Obama gives it to the enemy.

  6. canary says:

    The Mark of the Beast

    Extreme Tech: FBI launches $1 billion nationwide facial recognition system

    By Sebastian Anthony on Sept 7, 2012

    The US Federal Bureau of Investigation has begun rolling out its new $1 billion biometric Next Generation Identification (NGI) system. In essence, NGI is a nationwide database of mugshots, iris scans, DNA records, voice samples, and other biometrics, that will help the FBI identify and catch criminals — but it is how this biometric data is captured, through a nationwide network of cameras and photo databases, that is raising the eyebrows of privacy advocates.

    Over the last few months, the FBI has been pilot testing a facial recognition system — and soon, detectives will also be able to search the system for other biometrics such as DNA records and iris scans. In theory, this should result in much faster positive identifications of criminals and fewer unsolved cases.

    According to New Scientist, facial recognition systems have reached the point where they can match a single face from a pool of 1.6 million mugshots/passport photos with 92% accuracy, in under 1.2 seconds [PDF]. In the case of automated, biometric border controls where your face and corresponding mugshot are well lit, the accuracy approaches 100%. Likewise, where DNA or iris records exist, it’s a very expedient way of accurately identifying suspects.


    Of course illegal immigrants won’t have a problem

    Check out India’s progress

    Singularity Hub: India Launches Universal ID System with Biometrics

    by Aaron Saenz Sept 13th, 2010

    India has launched an ambitious program to fit each of its 1.2 billion residents with an Unique identification number (UID). Each number will be tied into three pieces of biometric data: fingerprints (all ten digits), iris scans (both eyes), and a picture of the face. Starting this month, the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) will begin processing people in various locations around the country.

    While residents are not mandated to get a UID, a growing list of services including social welfare and even some bank accounts will soon require the identification number. If successful, this will be the first biometrically verified universal ID implemented on a national scale.

    Ostensibly the UIDAI was formed, and the idea of UID green-lighted, to help those 440 million Indian people who were found to be below the poverty level in 2002. The nation has an extensive series of social welfare programs – everything from medical support to home heating fuel subsidies – but many of these services are ripe with corruption and bureaucratic stagnation. Many of India’s poorest citizens do not have ID cards, bank accounts, or even addresses that they can use to register for social services. Often the money for these programs ends up in the hands of middle class families tricking the system by using false identification schemes. With the UID, India hopes to give every resident a means of accessing welfare services as well as cut down on fraud. To the UIDAI, the purpose of a national ID is to enable the government to get help to those who need it.

    There seems to be little doubt that once it is established, the UID will become a preferred method (if not the preferred method) of identification in India.

    Ultimately I wouldn’t be surprised if the UID, with its biometric data, could be used as a means of payment (when linked to a bank account), or as an access key to homes and cars. Purchase a meal with your fingerprint and unlock your door with the twinkle in your eye. Similar results could be expected in other nations that adopted biometric identification systems.

    (entire story and photos)

  7. wirenut says:

    Petronius, you have “nailed” it. We will become serf’s, do to the 1922 soviet thinking of our current staff. Planned destruction “is” our future.
    Vladimir Obama has raised his flag. Now it’s time we raise our’s. Up with Capitalist’s and the Consititution, as it was written! Now, Down with Marxism and
    the toilet this narcissist has led us down.

  8. canary says:

    News is saying U.S. not working with Afghan police anymore and found this tidbit on the failure of Obama announcing the withdrawal of our troops and ignoring the increase of Afghan police shooting our U.S. and NATO soldiers. Also, a new guideline to avoid U.S. troops aside reporting their injuries is calling our U.S. Troops “foreign troops” and “personnel” making it difficult.

    Official denies Australian link to police defection

    26 Jul, 2012 05:00 AM

    A GROUP of 20 police officers in the Australian-controlled province of Oruzgan have taken their guns and joined the Taliban insurgency in the province following a dispute.

    The men set fire to their outpost before fleeing.

    It is understood the defectors were part of a local police unit that had recently been formed.

    Oruzgan is undergoing a 12 to 18 month period of security transition, with Australian troops there slowly relinquishing control to their Afghan counterparts.

    The defection occurs just two days after an Afghan Local Police chief, Mirwais, and 12 of his men also joined the Taliban with their weapons in the western Afghan province of Farah.

    ”Mirwais and his policemen had joined the force nearly 2½ years ago.

    ”Long before he defected, he must have been passing intelligence and crucial information to the insurgents,” the official said.

    The equipment Mirwais took – believed to include grenades, heavy machine-guns and police vehicles including two Humvees – will be a major boost to the local Taliban effort.

    (entire article)

    • canary says:

      The other article saying U.S. won’t be training Afghan police anymore has been scrubbed.

      And Obama isn’t too happy with Hillary announcing the new terrorist fraction in Pakistan. It’s an old fraction, and she thinks it’s wise to get their money. This won’t lead to her possibly stepping down from Sec of State, but could be because she is going to be replaced. I wouldn’t think Hillary wouldn’t check with Obama first; it’s probably Obama always setting up others to take the blame if things go wrong.

  9. canary says:

    Obama’s remarks as Senator 2006 on stopping debt.


    Further Obama mentioned health care reform in 2006 in his address. He mentioned in his 2006 book we could not afford a national health care.

    Link further has Obama excusing his change.

  10. canary says:

    Obama Care & FDA approve micro-chip pill in order to play Big Brother. News clip


  11. canary says:

    Reuters new video showing continued protests in Cairo Egypt.


  12. canary says:

    Now Islamic extremists in Yemen are attacking and protesting the U.S. embassy & mission in Yemeni.
    This will be a great aid to Al-Qaeda’s destruction in Yemen they got away with, such as U.S.S. Cole murderers released when Obama first came into office. Our U.S. troops fighting in Yemen are in danger.

    The greatest concern is giving the corrupt Taliban and Tribal Afghans that don’t even have youtube or TV’s attacking our U.S. troops who just lost all control of the U.S. run prison in the capitol of Afghan; Obama hoping to pacify them as the uprising and protests started way before American’s in Cairo were attacked by carefully planned attacks.

    While the liberal media wants to repeatedly blame a film most American’s haven’t even seen, fueling the networks and internet
    spreading a film, there is something more evident.

    These protests started growing in June the Springs, such as the British embassy.

    These protests who Obama’s Arab Spring truly is interpreted by Middle-Eastern as “the spread of Islam”. We’ve seen nothing but results of spreading of Sharia law and radical Muslims such as the Muslim Brotherhood now confirmed to be protesting in Cairo.

    Obama’s Arab Spring is turning into a Holy War of Attrition. And the Muslim extremists, murderers as they are will win do Obama’s approach to apologize and worship Muslims around the world.

    God protect our U.S. troops, especially our soldiers in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Obama started this trend and must take responsibility for the spread of radical Islam. He has been so busy partying he is a ghost president who has abandoned his duties.

    Al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood are taking advantage of the radical Muslim youths push to spread Islam. Nothing shows otherwise from the Arab Spring.

    Cairo warned Obama when they kept American’s hostage and banned from leaving Cairo, yet just offered them billions to aid them to start small businesses, and for humanitarian aid. The warned him from the beginning of the revolution they did not want U.S. interference; U.S. Money; nor a U.S. type of Democracy.

    It’s not the film. It’s murder by proxy by religious extremist known as conservative Islamists.

  13. canary says:

    On Sept 12 2012 CAIR Chicago celebrated the violent protest murdering American’s by meeting with Emmanuel Rahm and City of Chicago City Council introducing a resolution to stop violence and hate against Muslims.

    Not one mention of sorrow or condemning radical Muslims murdering American’s and the growing violence against American’s.

    Seriously, when was the last time an American was caught committing hate crimes against Muslims in America.

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