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‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, September 14th, 2012. Comments are currently closed.

17 Responses to “‘The Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. Petronius says:

    Lessons from Roman History, No. 5

    1.
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world….
    – W.B. Yeats, “The Second Coming” (1919).

    2.
    “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation….”
    – Barack Hussein Obama II, speech at Ankara, Turkey (6 Apr 2009).

    3.
    “Jesus is humiliated in new ways even today; when things that are most Holy and Profound in the Faith are being trivialized; the sense of the sacred is allowed to erode; the religious sentiment is classified among unwelcome leftovers of antiquity. Everything in public life risks being desacralized: persons, places, pledges, prayers, practices, words, sacred writings, religious formulae, symbols, ceremonies. Our life together is being increasingly secularized. Religious life grows diffident. Thus we see the most momentous matters placed among trifles, and trivialities glorified. Values and norms that held societies together and drew people to higher ideals are laughed at and thrown overboard. Jesus continues to be ridiculed!”
    – Pope Benedict XVI, Good Friday Message (10 Apr 2009).

    4.
    “Georgetown University hid a religious inscription representing the name of Jesus during President Obama’s address there Tuesday…, because White House staff asked the school to cover up all religious symbols and signs while the president was on stage.”
    – FoxNews.com (16 Apr 2009).

    5.
    “The federally funded National Portrait Gallery, one of the museums of the Smithsonian Institution, is currently showing an exhibition that features images of an ant-covered Jesus, male genitalia, naked brothers kissing, men in chains, Ellen DeGeneres grabbing her breasts….”
    – Penny Starr, “Smithsonian Christmas-Season Exhibit” cnsnewscom (29 Nov 2010).

    6.
    “We just don’t have room for them.”
    – Mayor Michael Bloomberg explains his decision to exclude Christian clergy from New York 9/11 memorial ceremony (9 Sep 2011).

    7.
    “I’ll do that one more time…. All those delegates opposed, say No.” “No!”
    – Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, chair of the Democratic National Convention, and delegates’ response (5 Sep 2012).

    8.
    “If Christianity goes, the whole of our culture goes. Then you must start painfully again, and you cannot put on a new culture ready made. You must wait for the grass to grow to feed the sheep to give the wool out of which your new coat will be made. You must pass through many centuries of barbarism. We should not live to see the new culture, nor would our great-great-great grandchildren, and if we did, not one of us would be happy in it.”
    – T. S. Eliot, “Christianity and Culture” (1968).

    ~

    We have to be careful about comparing modern America to the Roman Empire as we run the risk of being grossly unfair to the Romans.

    But with that caveat in mind, let us consider the encounter between early Christianity and the pagan religions of the Roman world. Then compare that encounter to the efforts currently made by adherents of Marxist-Liberal ideology to repeal Western Christian Civilization.

    The attack on the pagans did not come all at once. At first the pagans were ridiculed and humiliated. Pagan symbols and practices were proscribed, and the privileges and immunities of their clergy were revoked. Then pagan writings were destroyed, and pagan priests and intellectuals were persecuted. Pagan temples were demolished. Finally the pagan families –– isolated, dispossessed, and cut-off from their roots –– were proselytized and converted.

    From the time of the Emperor Constantine (r. 306-337), most of the descriptions we have of the pagans are those handed down to us by Christian ecclesiastical sources, such as Christian polemics and hagiographies. They described everything that was religious but not Christian as “sorcery,” “mad,” “laughable,” “loathsome,” “stupid and blind,” “heretics,” “demon worship,” “embrace the Devil,” “impiety,” “profanation of idols,” “diabolical altars,” “disgusting,” “contaminating,” “wicked idols,” “ignorant,” “the cult of the demons,” “ludicrous superstitions,” “worship of the Devil,” and so forth, characteristic of ancient invective. Today the pagans seldom speak to us except through these antagonistic Christian intermediaries. The historical record of the pagan religions, and of the heterodox Christian sects, is extremely sparse, precisely because the early Christian emperors systematically eradicated them. It is a good example of the adage that history is written by the victors.

    Non-Christian writings were rooted out and publicly destroyed in great bonfires at the town center. Copyists were discouraged from replacing them by having their hands cut off or of themselves being burned alive.

    In the year 354 the Emperor Constantius II closed the pagan temples. In 364 Jovian ordered the Library at Antioch to be burned, the confiscation of all properties of the pagan temples, and the death penalty for all Gentiles who worshipped their ancestral gods or practiced divination, even in private. In 382 Gratian removed the Altar of Victory from the Senate house, confiscated the income of the priests and Vestals, and abolished their privileges and immunities. In 383, when asked by the Senators to restore the Altar, Gratian refused and renounced the title of pontifex maximus.

    The Emperor Theodosius outlawed paganism as a “religio illicita,” abolished pagan holidays, and destroyed the pagan temples, holy sites, and images. In 390 he silenced the Delphi oracle forever when he destroyed the Temple of Apollo. In 393 he suppressed the Olympic Games. He closed the Temple of Vesta, disbanded the College of the Vestals, and in 394 extinguished the sacred fire that had protected Rome for over one thousand years, since the reign of the second king Numa Pompilius.

    The Alexandria Library was the most celebrated library of antiquity, founded by Ptolemy I (r. 323-285 BC) and housing at the Serapeum over a half million manuscripts from all over the Hellenistic world. In 391, Christians following the edict of the Emperor Theodosius sacked the Serapeum and its literary treasures and, with the help of imperial troops, razed it to the ground. No books or buildings remain today.

    The destruction of the temples had sweeping effects on Roman culture. The pagan temples had been at once the seat of the official religion and a source of Roman civic spirit and patriotic customs of great antiquity, including also those temples that had been dedicated to the imperial cult, those that had been erected for celebration of military victories, or those that were donated out of acts of euergetism (giving back to the community) or philotimia (displays of superior status). They were monuments of Roman architecture and art. Certain temples held sacred objects and relics, the Palladium brought by Aeneas, the public treasury, including also public accounts, laws, decrees of the Senate, the standards of the legions, the fasti and registers, treaties and similar documents of state, and private wills as well. The temple was the place for public celebrations, and where eulogies and encomiums (important literary forms of the ancient world) were offered. They were the sites of feasts and civic rituals, and also seats of learning, where philosophers (the scientists and mathematicians of the ancient world), taught their students on the porticos, and where physicians gathered to exchange advice and remedies. The temples provided alms and shelter for the needy. And they were centers of commerce, where sellers of incense, votive candles, offerings, lead tablets, sacrificial animals, and other goods made their livings. All was swept aside.

    The death penalty was imposed for those who visited or gazed upon the ruins of the temples. Roman law banned pagan worship and provided a range of penalties, fines, confiscation, flogging, torture, blinding, beheading, and crucifixion. Pagan priests were rooted out of hiding and executed. In the year 415, the great pagan intellectual, Hypatia of Alexandria, was snatched from the street by a mob of Christian zealots and hacked to death and her body burned.

    In time the persecutions moved out from the cities to the countryside, where pagan shrines were expropriated for Christian use, and sacred groves cut down. Many pagans went underground. It was some generations before their private, individual observations and practices came under attack. The last Romans to succumb were the humble folk, with their personal beliefs and family rituals conducted in the privacy of their homes. Some pagans chose suicide rather than baptism, but most pagans were unwilling to die for their beliefs and accepted baptism, even if at the point of a sword.

    By such ruthless means, tribes and cultures were blotted out from the pages of history. Europe and the Mediterranean world slowly fell into a long darkness.

    Today, however, it is the Christian who is in retreat. C. S. Lewis recognized that the pagan was essentially the convertible pre-Christian or sub-Christian religious man. And that today Christians everywhere are under attack by the post-Christian, ideological man :

    “When grave persons express their fear that England is relapsing into Paganism, I am tempted to reply, ‘Would that she were.’ For I do not think it at all likely that we shall ever see Parliament opened by the slaughtering of a garlanded white bull in the House of Lords or Cabinet Ministers leaving sandwiches in Hyde Park as an offering to the Dryads. If such a state of affairs came about, then the Christian apologist would have something to work on. For a Pagan, as history shows, is a man eminently convertible to Christianity. He is essentially the pre-Christian, or sub-Christian, religious man. The post-Christian man of our day differs from him as much as a divorcée differs from a virgin. The Christian and the Pagan have much more in common with one another than either has with the writers of the New Statesman; and those writers would of course agree with me.” C. S. Lewis, “Is Theism Important?” (1952).

    Today Western Christian Civilization is under attack by the ideology of Marxist-Liberalism. An ethos of culture is being presented to the American nation that defines our spiritual, patriotic, and racial consciousness as unacceptable –– as matters banned from the public sphere –– and our history and heroes as a source of shame. So overawed are we by this ethos, so mute have we become, that many parents today are incapable of transmitting to their children an appreciation of the European-American world from which their culture, nation, and religion, let alone their race, originated. This is indeed tragic, because the two parent family is the last bastion of our culture. All other Western institutions, which once proudly served as transmitters of our culture –– schools and universities, print, film and broadcast media, the arts, museums, monuments and historic sites, manners and customs, courts of law, communities, corporations and foundations, and even our holidays, churches and religious adherence –– are either in decline, or have themselves become instruments of our undoing.

    The final battles are always fought over truth and memory.

    If this war is lost, then the great achievements of our civilization will also be lost. Freedom will perish from the Earth. Our most cherished beliefs will be ridiculed and scorned. Our traditions and customs will be erased, and the Founders and our heroes forgotten. Our children and grandchildren will become “a community of learners,” bloated on a secular ideology force-fed to them by Liberal busybodies, and steeped in the depravity of pop culture. Until finally with our deaths, the prodigies of valor enacted by our ancestors, the manifold hardships, privations, and difficulties they overcame, their profound suffering, the memory of our loved ones, dead and alive, and our community of spirits, our fears and our hopes, everything we hold dear, will vanish, and our history and faith will never be told.

    Our lamps are going out all over the world. If these lamps are turned off, they will never be relit. Not ever. If Christendom goes under, Western Civilization goes with it. If Western Civilization goes under, it will be the end of history.

    • Mithrandir says:

      As I have said before, CONSERVATIVES have had 10s of 1000s of opportunities (every day) to combat the decay of the constitution and defend Christianity, the 2 most important adhesives to American society, and they have UTTERLY FAILED.

      ~When activists, not doctors, overturned homosexuality as a mental disorder, who was there to make the case for America? No one.
      ~When Johnson added unconstitutional federal social issues to the budget, who was there to constantly defend against it? No one.
      ~When Carter added the dept of energy and dept of education, who was there to speak against it, or even cancel it? Not even Reagan did that, –no one.
      ~When fascism disguised as political correctness ran amok, who fought against it? No one.
      ~Who fights back against the liberal cabal in our public schools? No one.
      ~When colleges crank out radicals every year with useless degrees paid for with taxpayer money? Who stopped it? No one.
      ~When gay marriage sweeps across the U.S., who speaks up? Who makes the case against it artfully and intelligently? No one.
      ~Repeal of Don’t Ask/ Don’t Tell, who has the guts to say “no!” No one.
      ~When EVERY public institution is hopelessly morally or financially corrupted (postal system is 8 billion in debt), who stands up? Who makes the case?

      Almost no one, Scott Walker, and a few others have stuck their finger in the dyke, and god bless them, however the amount of people, the amount of missed opportunities provided over the decades, cannot stop the impending tsunami of decay that IS and will continue to crush American society. Millions spent on electing people is funds that could have been used in productive ways to combat social decay, and with the advent of the internet, there are really no excuses.

      So as we watch Western culture circle the bowl, and start pre-writing the eulogy, remember, that writing books, electing people, complaining in various ways, did absolutely nothing to preserve and defend our institutions, when Republicans had decades of golden opportunities to do so.

  2. Mithrandir says:

    This is what I have been saying, it took Obama 3 YEARS to reveal his birth certificate, why are they demanding to see Romney’s tax returns?

    Why not just say, “Ok, we will show you everything you want, BUT we want OUR PEOPLE to look at your college records, birth certificate, and anything else we want to see.”(bring Joe Arpaio)

    Minute 4:00 of video: http://www.youtube.com/user/personalliberty?v=zkwFBWPNwcI
    (This guy forgets that a postal carrier in Chicago said Bill Ayer’s parents allegedly sponsored his Harvard education)

    If Romney becomes president, AS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY, he should break down every door with Seal Team 6, and find out if the last 4 years, every law signed, every executive order made, every command issued is NULL & VOID—including Obamacare—problem solved.

    But who will stand up besides Donald Trump?

    • canary says:

      I want to see if Obama registered to serve when he turned 18.

      Petronius ‘s
      2.
      “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation….”
      – Barack Hussein Obama II, speech at Ankara, Turkey (6 Apr 2009).

      is an opportunity for Mitt Romney to go into a little more detail of Obama bashing our country to appease one religion Islam.
      I don’t care how he says it.

      What will Obama fire back? Hopefully, it will lead to Mitt Romney saying he’s a Christian because there are idiot people
      that think Mormons aren’t Christians.

      Romney and the Republicans keep falling for Obama’s red herrings. Obama says he doesn’t even know Romney and Romney only has business experience.

      And Romney doesn’t point out his political experience.

      The dumb GOP thinks Romney needs to personalize himself. Have his wife talk. Who cares. If people can vote for Obama and his past Romney.

      Romney is not a stiff. These are red herrings that the GOP has tunnel vision on.

      Romney needs to pelt Obama every chance, every minute he can. Because, Obama is going to respond to each one of them and let the people of this country know what Obama’s has been doing his entire presidency. His henchmen are bragging
      people like Obama because he’s cool. I thought they meant a cold person, but they meant “hip”.

      Romney needs to brush off the constant attacks . He needs to say all Obama has done is campaign.

  3. GetBackJack says:

    I bless my fellow S&L’rs. And with all due respect …

    …. what’s the vogue definition of insanity?

    Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    We’ve done all the work that can be done. We’ve voted the right people into office only to watch them flip on us. We’ve raised the money, worked at writing and editorials. We’ve lobbied school districts and newspapers and waged ideological battles For decades and guess what?

    After 20+ years of Rush on the radio and every other AM radio conservative talker and millions of like minded being enraged what do we have? An authentic Communist usurper multi-cultural mulatto occupying the White House and a Republican Party that would embarrass Jack Kennedy how liberal they are.

    We keep talking “we’ve got” “we’ve got to” … but face it. I MEAN FACE IT … we’re not making any headway, we’re actually losing ground in great big leaps. To what is destroying the United States.

    It’s time to get outside the box and decide.

    Do I go down in flames defending my Constitution?
    Dare I risk my life and my family in order to save the Constitution?
    Dare I risk the NDAA indefinite detainment and torture? By my fellow citizens?
    Can I say, damn the house, fire the cannons! as did Thomas Nelson did?
    Am I man enough to try and fail and spend the rest of my life in prison for trying while my fellow citizens wilted and failed to carry through on my lead and sat on their thumbs?

    This is all to say … we’re not winning.
    The Constitution is about to drown and be gone.

    What … are … you … going … to …. do?

    • Reality Bytes says:

      Win loose or draw Jack, sooner or later Jesus comes back and straightens everybody out. And this time, NO MORE MISTER NICE GUY!

    • Mithrandir says:

      @GetBackJack

      The answer to all your decisions is “no.” Perhaps at some point in the past, you would have a large group of people agreeing with you, but what we are witnessing is INCREMENTALISM, in which the frog doesn’t know when to jump out of a boiling pot.–it’s too late, we’re boiled.

      Any sort of revolutionary ideas, would be akin to a violent mutiny for control of the steering wheel after the Titanic hit the iceberg. What’s the point? The ship will sink no matter who is steering it, so why risk injury for such futility? The constitution is gone. Is there even 535 people to be found in America, that could be trusted with the constitution, to replace Congress? I don’t think so. And why would you or anyone else fight for the constitution when 99.9% of the rest of the population doesn’t even care? “Thanks for saving the constitution, do I still get my welfare and SSI check?”

      As far as your quote: “We’ve done all the work that can be done.”
      Not exactly. Each and every issue can be bombarded through the internet to change minds and perceptions. Videos, animations on Youtube, facebook, social sites, emails, —but that cost money, and you need organization and donations….lots of them. You can relentlessly demonstrate your views, and mock your enemies, it’s effective.
      You can stop trying to avoid jury duty and change society from the jury box. Organize to throw out school board members, then fire the communists who take down the American flag, teach our kids how to sing for our dear leader. You can invest in that local activism, and for documentaries, t.v. shows, magazines, companies, each other! NOT POLITICIANS! Pick an issue, and start from the bottom up.

      I’m a good community organizer. I know how to get things done, but being the lone voice in the crowd is just sad and pathetic. Like I said before, we had decades to thwart gay marriage, and conservatives just sat back and yawned. Now look at it? –yeech.

  4. GetBackJack says:

    My apologies, but who’s this “we”

    It’s a mythical We. There is no we. I fought and lost. You fought and lost. We, you and I, had no hand in the decline. Our hands are clean.

    As to in the end, let me state for all concerned, I’m a Pan-Tribulationist

    It will all pan out in the end.

    • Reality Bytes says:

      Gee Jack. I had to look that one up. Seems I’m one of those Pan-Tribulation types too. Then again, I rather put it another way. “Never Put a Limit on God.” If Christ says, “This IS my blood” then who am I to say it ain’t. If God says the world he created took six days, then hey, I’m not going to say he couldn’t have. And if He says He’s coming again, it doesn’t really matter how but that He IS!

      See, unlike Bill Clinton, when it comes to GOD, you don’t have to worry about what “is” IS.

  5. canary says:

    Everyone is hitting on many thoughts I am having to include the same thoughts kind of eerie. Jack said it’s time to think outside the box is close to me thinking “we’ve got to think outside the box”.

    And Reality Bytes helped me say in a nicer way what I wanted to say about Prince Henry as bait trying to improve his image, but failing miserably in his proxy. The gay soldiers are gushing. And thinking who else would make good bait.

    Obama has once again shouted out to the world, and via internet at that, oh heck yes, the internet where these terrorists are doing their terror and watch a cartoon film, I never even heard of until Obama and the U.S. Media told us in blaming a growing protest and slaughter across the world, when they are already on the Prince Henry excuse.

    Disgraceful for Obama to keep apologizing for a film, but he has some major damage control, because aside the evidence already in, that this was planned way ahead, 9/11 very much apart of these attacks, and a total lack of Obama warning for extra security is proven to be a fact. And now reports blasting Al-Qaida is behind this entire rampage in 20 countries.

    And today another 4 more U.S. soldiers gunned down by Afghan police trained and paid by the U.S.

    This is Obama and his administrations total failure to heed the signs and be prepared at a time when Islamic extremists have overtaken so much of the African continent, everything happening.

    This is Obama’s TET. and he most live up to it and stop appeasing the enemy. All his releases through others that Al-Qaeda and Taliban are few in number when we know he lies. And Al-Qaida should not even be called a group behind Islamic extremists.

    Just as Obama renames everything and every program, it’s time to stop calling Islamic a peaceful religion.
    Obama to embrace Islam and say Islam in any form or fashion does not oppress women and children. He knows. He’s learned from his families his entire life the muslim religion.

    Has Obama ever condemned filthy violent hateful rap music or gang violence destroying this country. No. He is the “cool” president.

    Obama had a lot of Muslim friends he did drugs, lived with, and organized with. They weren’t practicing Muslims, and I don’t know that you would call them good allah obeying Muslims. Anymore than Obama has ever been a Christian.

    Forget a religious debate. I’d like to see Obama and Romney be tested on how well they know the Holy Bible and Romney is going to win. It’s stringent for Mormons to study the Bible. Mormons read the Holy Bible more than ever.

    I’d like to see both Obama and Romney be tested on the Quaran and have it fact checked, because Obama knows it’s radical.

    Islam and Muslims have been coming up with their studying the “end times” in their mosques and on the internet here in the U.S.
    and all over the world.

    Nice to hear Muslims tell me to my face it’s the end of times. I really thank their Christian teachers that convinced them come from Africa to the U.S. to build mosques. It makes no since.

    Now from the East to the West aside the North, a belt of extremists Islamists have taken over Africa. The extremist Muslims are spreading like wild fire, just like they said. And it’s in their Sharia laws to burn the Christians.

    Just Google Islam the end times and one eyed man as key words.

    Has Obama ever condemned filthy violent hateful rap music or gang violence? No. He is the “cool” president.

    I don’t think Obama has ever read the bible.

    Christianity is so important.

    Islam has different versions of the “end times” as others who try and understand Revelations,

    So, their acceptance of Jesus and saying they love Christians is b.s. And all we have in common. Jesus deceived the people and all their new descendents and relatives they twist to make it look like they have the same beliefs is rubbish.

    The one thing all the muslims believe in is that the anti-Christ who they also call the Messiah (savior) will be a man with “one eye”

    So many different interpretations to include Sharia law, which you have to understand most can’t read their true and only true word of Islam is in Arabic only. So, let’s take one English version of Sharia law that the anti-Christ is a short greedy Jew with “one eye”

    I don’t know if the Muslims picked the one eyed from Mythology which many so called Christians in this country believe really happened.

    Last year school studied Edgar Allen Poe and some story about the Red Mask of Death, not sure the name, but a terrible plaque
    where people hold up in a castle to keep from getting it. And the questions the students had to answer were to the symbols and colors of the rooms, and it was obvious all the colors, lamps, fires, brass, drapes, came from the Holy Bible Revelations; also the colors of Priests robes.

    And thinking outside the box there are those that interrupt Revelations literally, believing the monsters with tails of scorpions will be outer space aliens and that it will be aliens from other planets.

    But, the “one eye” thing which is just as far as I’ve gotten except we know in general from Iran’s Ahmadman’s prayer in NYC that he is a 2012er and the Sharia law explains the destruction will come from burning, fires, etc. They already love blowing up their own oil to keep the rest of the world, especially the U.S. from getting it.

    And then you have Democrats giving deadlines like Gore saying the world is going to end do to global warming and burn.
    And the U.S. has been identifying and plans to identify everyone by their eyes as it turns out they are like a fingerprint and easier to get in a data base.

    Petronius/ ” “Our lamps are going out all over the world. If these lamps are turned off, they will never be relit. Not ever. If Christendom goes under, Western Civilization goes with it. If Western Civilization goes under, it will be the end of history…”

    The pursuit of Christianity is what lead to civilization. And you put in perfect sequence:

    “The Second Coming” (1919).

    2.“We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation….”
    – Barack Hussein Obama II, speech at Ankara, Turkey (6 Apr 2009).””

    Part of the Muslim propaganda being printed by them includes their naming relatives, decedents, of Mohammad to make people believe the Islam religion embraces Christians and Jews, when it says Jesus deceived the people. Mohammad straightened this deception out. The Muslims are twisting the Christian’s belief in the Holy Spirit too.

    And the muslims are saying the “one eye” on top of the Egyptian pyramid of the U.S. Dollar Bill shows the anti-Christ. I’ll bet it was a muslim that first showed the folding of the bills to look like 9/11.

    But, it makes no sense for the Muslims to give their version of the anti-Christ like they are on board with Christians in finding the person who will destroy the world, or to make American’s think it’s the U.S. Government or it’s president. (clear my throat). anti-Christ as he continues to apologize and the media lying that the film maker was a Jew.

    And so how many muslims are thinking of the “one eyed” anti-Christ is the “one eyed” Islamic terrorist Abu Hmaza who was born in Egypt! who have hated the Jews and Israel since the beginning of time.

    Could he be the one in revelations whose mother went away with a baby who reappears (woah I’m not comparing Obama’s birth and childhood but his story of his mother taking him away for awhile and then sending him back to the U.S. is pretty creepy as he tells it at the age of 9 or 10 because she saw him as “Power” and he was like his father who I really don’t know who his father is. Even Obama didn’t trust his mother as to his father was. It seemed a mystery.

    Back to the “one-eyed” Muslim I’ve sure everyone has seen. (Note some Sharia law versions say he really doesn’t have just one eye, but one is little and he can’t see out of it, and so it get’s creepy thinking there is a religion that will consider the Messiah (that is what they call the anti-Christ man with one eye. That a lone tells you Muslims consider anyone against Christ is the “Messiah” or savior. The Muslim God and Muslim Savior will go after Christians. It’s insane. But, I’m going with the Sharia Law’s version on this as all the so called peaceful Islamic organizations in the U.S. support Sharia Law, just as President Obama and all his judges.

    So, the one eyed terrorist Masri married a Roman Catholic who converted to Islam and they had a son Mohammed Mustafa Kamel
    whose mother ran away with him, until his Masri got him back at age 4 and he never saw his mother again until 16. Don’t confuse this with Obama’s mom coming back to live in Hawaii with his step-sister for a while to go to school.

    Then Masri married a British woman and acquired British citizenship and then divorced her and immediately married a muslim woman and had 7 children.

    Masri’s son Mohammed Mustafa Kame was found to be responsible in the 1999 “bomb plot” of Eight Britons (probably Muslim Brits and two from Yemen” . Kamel got 3 years for his roll and his stepson Moshin Ghalain got 7 years.

    And it was determined that the one-eyed al-Masri put his sons up to the bomb attack. And after release they and other sons and family members continued terrible crimes in which they did not serve much time for in London.

    Masri started this big Mosque with radical supporters of Sharia law.

    He dreamed of creating a Caliphate much like the Muslims are accomplishing at the NYC 9/11 site.

    The one-eyed convicted Terrorist Masri has served his time and would have been released by now, but is being held while the U.S. finally achieved to have him extradited according to a ruling in April 2012.

    And so the modern Muslim’s new doctrine that the anti-christ will have one eye is strange.

    And so any day now Obama will get Masri in to the U.S. and we know what Obama does with Terrorists such as the Yemeni terrorists, Obama most likely will let him go so he can draw out more terrorists who consider Masri the anti-Christ Messiah and this might cause more problems though UK has refused until lately to extradite him worrying he will get the death penalty. So, I think Obama will send the one-eyed Masri back to some middle-eastern country since UK is releasing him to us.

    I think it would best for Masri to die and put an end to that version of who the Muslims think is their Messiah to go after Christians. And of course he had a head injury when the bomb he was making exploded another sign of what the Muslims consider to be their present day Messiah.

    And Obama continues the TET attacks in insisting it was a stupid film.

    AP: Al-Qaida calls for more attacks on embassies

    Sep 16, 2012 By Aya Batrawy and Lee Keath

    CAIRO, Egypt —
    The top religious authority in Saudi Arabia, Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdel-Aziz al-Sheikh, condemned the movie on Saturday but said it “will not harm” Islam or Muhammad.

    The head of the Sunni Muslim world’s pre-eminent religious institution, Egypt’s Al-Azhar, backed peaceful protests but said Muslims should counter the movie by reviving Islam’s moderate ideas.

    No significant protests were reported in the Mideast on Saturday; the only report of violence linked to the film came from Australia, where riot police clashed with about 200 protesters at the U.S. Consulate in Sydney.

    In his weekly radio and Internet address, President Barack Obama paid tribute to the four Americans who were killed in an attack on the U.S. Consulate in the eastern Libyan city Benghazi last week, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. Obama denounced the anti-U.S. mob protests that followed.

    “I have made it clear that the United States has a profound respect for people of all faiths. We stand for religious freedom. And we reject the denigration of religion — including Islam,” Obama said.

    “Yet there is never any justification for violence. There is no religion that condones the targeting of innocent men and women.”

    Friday’s demonstrations spread to more than 20 countries in the Middle East, Africa and southeast Asia.

    In Sudan, crowds torched part of the German Embassy and tried to storm the American Embassy. Protesters climbed the walls into the U.S. Embassy in Tunis, torching cars in the parking lot, trashing the entrance building and setting fire to a gym and a neighboring American school.

    “What has happened is a great event, and these efforts should come together in one goal, which is to expel the embassies of America from the lands of the Muslims,” the group said. It called on protests to continue in Muslim nations “to set the fires blazing at these embassies.”

    It also called on “our Muslim brothers in Western nations to fulfill their duties in supporting God’s prophet … because they are the most capable of reaching them and vexing them.”

    So far, there has been no evidence of a direct role by al-Qaida in the protests.

    Police in Lebanon beefed up their presence around U.S.-based fast-food restaurants Saturday after angry crowds Friday set fire to a KFC and a Hardee’s restaurant in the port city of Tripoli, Libya.

    In Tunisia, the U.S. Embassy compound and school were surrounded by police and army vehicles Saturday.

    WASHINGTON — Objections by Sudan’s government have held up the security mission of an elite Marine team that the U.S. planned to send to Khartoum, a U.S. official said Saturday.

    As a result, the deployment has been delayed and possibly curtailed, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official is not authorized to disclose details on the troop movement.

    The Marine unit, known as a fleet anti-terrorism security team, was ordered to Sudan in the wake of violence and protests against the U.S. Embassy there.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20120916/NEWS07/309160169

    And the enormous reports pouring in that Al-Qaida was behind the U.S. embassy attacks is not going to make Obama stop his
    talking about a stupid film.

    The Holy Bible says to be prepared. And the one scripture of two people running in a field and one disappears doesn’t convince me in the rapture. Because Obama and the Democrats want to control the people like all the other countries. Just too many comparisons of history to show where we are headed. Obama wants chaos. He wants a disaster. If he is elected again, it’s going to get ugly because America has become ignorant and lost morals and values.

    Be prepared. Jesus told the apostles before the soldiers sell you clothes and belongings and buy swords. People will beg for peace and there will be none in these days.

    It’s becoming apparent that all the things people worried might happen under Obama’s leadership are happening. Break America down. Give me Liberty or give me death.

    • canary says:

      Oh Dear Jesus.

      Here is photo of today’s Muslim Protestors in the Philippines holding a U.S. flag with the U.S. one dollar bill symbol of “One Eye”
      on the triangle pyramid. “Dajal” is the name of the anti-Christ in Arabic that the Koran and Sharia constitution use. I assume iluminate means destroy.

      And just think Obama’s mother always yelled “they are not my people!” when her Indonesia husband
      tried to invite her to work parties where Americans attended. He was taught to hate America and then she sent him on an airplane back to a country she hated so bad she left.

      http://www.nationaljournal.com…..s-20120913

      Scroll down to picture 1st Indonesia picture then click big arrow on the right center to see the second photo in the Philippines with the “one eye” U.S. dollar bill on the U.S. American flag. This is pure evidence they want to burn America down and they don’t want our money. It’s never been about money with the radicals. It’s a sin to take our money.

      This is an example what I’m trying to tell you since last Spring I noticed the Muslims in America teaching on the end times.
      The one shrugged and said the threats on America were signs of the end times, when they are the ones that want to see the end of us, and they wonder why we are wary about their mosques tripling this year in the U.S. A picture and words paints a thousand words.

  6. Right of the People says:

    Don;t forget it was the fall of the Roman Empire that brought about the dark ages. I fear if we can’t get Obama out this fall we may be seeing a new dark age begin.

    • canary says:

      That’s a given too. Knowledge will vastly increase. The bible even talks about people will allow a box in their home that will make them idiots. Years ago I figured it meant TV’s.

      Update on Google’s tracking. I’m confused, but still think it’s best not to sign it.

      Consumer Affairs: Google Says It Will Add Do Not Track Option … Finally

      Dead-last in the privacy derby, Google drags its feet all the way

      09/17/2012 | By James R. Hood | ConsumerAffairs | Privacy

      PhotoEver so grudgingly, Google is adding a “do not track” option to its Chrome browser by the end of the year.

      Google and other Internet dynamos agreed in February to support the idea but it took some serious jaw-boning by the White House to get them to reluctantly get on board.

      “We undertook to honor an agreement on DNT that the industry reached with the White House early this year,” a spokesman for the company said in a statement emailed to the Los Angeles Times. “To that end we’re making this setting visible in our Chromium developer channel, so that it will be available in upcoming versions of Chrome by year’s end.”

      Big G isn’t saying when the option will available but says that when it is, consumers will be able to go into Chrome’s settings panel and select “Do Not Track.”
      No guarantee

      PhotoSo then Google will flip a big switch in the Cloud that turns off tracking, right? Well, not exactly.

      By instilling a false sense of security, the do not track option could make matters worse, these advocates fear.

      entire
      http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2012/09/google-says-it-will-add-do-not-track-option-finally.html

      I’m confused if anyone would like to explain it.

    • canary says:

      Obama propaganda is now blaming out bursts of protests and increase of Afghanistan police slaughtering U.S. & NATO by having Defense Secretary Leon Panetta say it’s a sign it’s the Taliban’s “last gasp” as if they’ve been defeated. Al-Qaeda? Taliban?
      Let’s just the growing majority the zealous Muslims.

    • canary says:

      Pig tissue helping maimed veterans repair

      http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/for-maimed-veterans-animal-tissue-offers-hope-of-repair/?partner=rss&emc=rss

      Thank goodness. Americans can raise a pig to save an embryo and make America less appealing to Moderate Muslims who can’t stand pigs.

    • canary says:

      More shock. Abu Hamza al-Masri the Muslim one-eyed anti-Christ Messiah to destroy Christians was .

      Pictures of the one-eyed anti-Christ ready to be extradited from the UK after serving his too short time. He fit’s the perfect description of the anti-Christ, Muslim, Messiah. Guess he lost his hand when old rumors that he died in a bomb, but many believe that he blew up making his own bomb. Again, I am going by the Sharia Muslim that describes the anti-Christ who will save Islam as one eye, or one eye smaller, or blind in one eye. That would qualify him as having a blow to the head.

      Now we see the one-eyed Obama DOJ allowed the NY Judges ruling to release many terrorists such as the one brought to NYC that was the mastermind of the U.S. embassy in Africa; the truck that drove in the base and killed over 200 US. Marines.
      So, maybe I’m wrong and they won’t release the one-eyed Messiah to destroy Christians. But, he needs the death sentence to prove he is not the messiah. This has been the intentions of the UK in not extraditing him, as the U.S. sought the death penalty, but keeping him in prison won’t be enough. He is surely one expendable human being that should be put to death.

      And this explains on going flip flopping by Obama and the DOJ. A political move?

      Starts & Stripes/ AP: US asks NY court to block anti-terrorism ruling

      By Larry Neumeister Sept 17 2012

      NEW YORK (AP) — Saying its military operations against al-Qaida and the Taliban were threatened, the U.S. Justice Department asked a federal appeals court Monday to immediately block a judge’s ruling that an anti-terrorism law authorizing indefinite detention of those who support terrorist groups was unconstitutional.

      The judge had ruled that the law was “unconstitutionally overbroad” because it was impossible for journalists, scholars and activists to know whether their First Amendment activities would subject them to indefinite detention if the government believed their interactions could be construed as supporting terrorists. She said there were other laws the government could use to indefinitely detain those picked up on the battlefield and anyone in the United States who aided terrorist groups.

      Bruce Afran, a lawyer for plaintiffs in the lawsuit, said he was surprised the government was acting so hastily given that it had not expressed alarm after the judge made her initial ruling months ago.

      “It’s a bit of a hysterical reaction from the government,” he said. “She’s done nothing to interfere with the military operation. … Suddenly they say this imperils the war effort.”

      Lawyers for the government wrote that the judge’s actions were unprecedented and exceeded her authority and they complained that it seemed to be worldwide in effect, “intruding upon military operations in the ongoing armed conflict against al-Qaida, the Taliban and associated forces.”

      entire
      http://www.stripes.com/news/us/us-asks-ny-court-to-block-anti-terrorism-ruling-1.189731?localLinksEnabled=false

      Before the Sept. 11 attacks, the preacher described himself as Al Qaeda’s chief representative in Britain

      The New York Times: Abu Hamza al-Masri

      Abu Hamza al-Masri is an inflammatory former mosque cleric accused in a range of unprosecuted anti-American plots that date back to 1998.

      Before the Sept. 11 attacks, the preacher described himself as Al Qaeda’s chief representative in Britain. Abu Hamza al-Masri is the pseudonym by which Mostafa Kamel Mostafa is most widely known. He was a preacher at the Finsbury mosque in London at a time when it was regarded by the British security services as a hotbed of radicalism

      In the United States, Mr. Masri faces 11 counts relating to hostage-taking in 1998, calling for holy war in Afghanistan in 2001 and participation in an attempt to establish a militant training camp at Bly, Ore., between June 2000 and December 2001.

      In the hostage-taking episode, American prosecutors say, the 16 victims, all tourists, included two Americans. Four hostages — three Britons and one Australian — were killed and several others were wounded when the Yemeni Army tried to rescue them.

      In April 2012, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Britain could legally extradite Mr. Masri and four other terrorism suspects to the United States, finding that the human rights of the defendants would not be violated by their incarceration in a maximum security American prison.

      Mr. Masri is a distinctive figure, with one eye and a steel hook in place of his right hand, as a result of injuries to his arms and face sustained in what he has described as land-mine explosions while fighting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The European court said that American authorities would consider Mr. Masri’s detention in the supermax prison “impossible because of his disabilities,” notably the “amputation of his forearms.”

      (read more_
      http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/m/abu_hamza_almasri/index.html

      “Mr. Masri is a distinctive figure, with one eye and a steel hook in place of his right hand, as a result of injuries to his arms and face sustained in what he has described as land-mine explosions while fighting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.”

      Now clearly the AP describes him as with “one eye” but check out the photos, which explains why the newest Islamic “end times”
      propaganda gives different versions of the “one eye” “one smaller” “one with no site” Good grief. And now we here Masri saying the Soviets blew him up. And he was in Ohio ? prior to 9/11?????
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      The attempts to extradite the one-eyed terrorist to the U.S. apparently were made under the Bush administration, so it’s possible
      Obama has appeased the UK’s human right activists that are pure incidents.
      http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/m/abu_hamza_almasri/index.html?offset=10&s=newest
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      Photos of the “one-eyed” Abu Hamza al-Masri; possibly the the Muslim Messiah who will destroy the Christians. The Islams trying to throw us off that he was possibly a short Jew. They are a religion of liars.

      http://www.google.com/search?q=abu+hamza+al-masri&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4DNYUPnBDcqd2QXFrIGoAQ&ved=0CCgQsAQ&biw=1034&bih=619

  7. canary says:

    Got the SEAL book. Skimming, don’t see anything to revealing.
    The author and others were angry that Washington, Pentagon, etc. were leading information after it happened, and they sill weren’t able to tell their families.

    Also, they were told they were going to meet the president (who they didn’t care for) and they had to sign the back of a frame of the flag they had with them. The author didn’t think they should as they were told to not reveal their names and the author says he made up a name. Obama gave a short speech he does not recall as it was something from a speechwriter playbook.
    And vp Biden kept cracking dumb jokes no one understood and reminded him of someone’s drunken uncle at Christmas dinner.

    Obama invited them to have beer at his residence which never happened !!!!!

    And when they discussed it at some point not happening one of them joked if they really bought the “change” promise.

    They did not particularly like Obama.

    And none of CIA pens they were given and had practiced to inject into Osama Bin Laden’s thigh for bone marrow to test DNA didn’t work, as they were risking their lives with little precious times so they got blood and saliva.

    And Osama Bin Laden used “Just for Men” hair dye on his beard that explained why he looked much younger.


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