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The Hive – Talking Amongst Ourselves

Here again is our randomly occurring weekly discussion thread, where members can hold forth on things that may not relate directly to the news of the day.

All we ask is that we try to keep the conversation on a level that you would not mind having your sainted mother or teenaged daughter read.

Of course Memorial Day is a topic that springs to mind. But as usual, this thread is open to all subjects within reason.

This article was posted by Steve on Saturday, May 23rd, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

45 Responses to “The Hive – Talking Amongst Ourselves”

  1. wardmama4 says:

    I got to this via Blackfive – (a military blog for those on the left or who do not follow such things) – but the actual blog it is on is RedState. This is a disgrace and as the article points out – being wiped away as if it never happened as we speak. In terms of News – it is just as Pelosi’s – the CIA lied/mislead accusation – now being parsed, covered up, protected and just plain ignored. It simply needs to be called when we see ’em and stopped. So in that vein – prepare yourself, I’m helping to call this one:

    History Is (Re)Written By The Winners

    Posted by Caleb (Profile)
    Thursday, May 21st at 9:04PM EDT

    … or at least, by the ad agencies.

    The History Channel is a generally well-respected brand in the United States. The shows routinely make “water-cooler” conversation at sites like Redstate. Indeed, the sister networks like The Military Channel are staples among conservative viewers, as anyone who spends any time around conservatives and veterans is well aware. So you can imagine my surprise reading an article earlier this week titled “Anti-American History Channel Ads You Won’t See In The US Or Online” at the Business Insider website. There were three images included which are, to say the least, inflammatory.

    The campaign, titled “History is Written By The Winners” was represented by three images (History Channel logo has been removed):


    • proreason says:

      As far as I’m concerned, this is just one more aspect of the 48×7 assault on traditional American values. It never stops.

      Everyone who reads my posts knows why I think it is happening. To me, the idea that people in a country would actively attack everything about the country flies in the face of common sense and human nature. We are social beings, and strengthening the bonds of cohesive communities is probably the most important factor that has allowed the human race to achieve such amazing heights. As you know, I think it is long active campaign to destroy the country that is coming to a head as we speak.

      But any reader should form his or her own opinion about why everything that you hold near and dear is constantly being belittled, marginalized, argued against or ignored. And if you conclude that it is simply an honest disagreement between different points of view, I suggest you spend some time to gather examples of the discourse from each side and contrast and compare the methods and verbiage.

    • canary says:

      wardmama/I’m confused. I clicked on the link you gave. Got the Red State named site. Clicked on the “about” square next to contact, etc. and got a page pretty hacked up by liberals. An example I copied and pasted. I assume it’s the Auxillary offices, and the names have been changed? Site has Washington DC contact.

      Ancillary Offices
      Emperor: Pejman Yousefzadeh
      Master of the Trolls: Streiff
      Master of the Blam Stick: Moe Lane
      Successor to Clayton & Vicar of RedState: Neil Stevens
      Prefect of the Congregation for Site High Standards: Leon H. Wolf

  2. heykev says:

    Pro – Good observation.

    All we really need to do is go back in history and find the orgins and beliefs of the founders of Planed Parenthood and the ACLU. Both of these organizations are anti-American and work to hurt families and undermine society.

    Planned Parenthood was founded by a woman who believed in Eugenics, while it thankfully did not catch on here, Nazi Germany believed in it. She also wanted to make sure that blacks who she believed were a religious people—and how useful ministers would be to her project. She wrote in a letter:
    “The minister’s work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
    In other words, make sure you don’t tell them our real objectives.

    The ACLU was founded by people who hated America and the organization still does. Here’s some of their original members:
    Roger Nash Baldwin (ACLU founder; socialist/communist sympathizer)
    Emma Goldman (anarchist; was the great influence on the ACLU founder)
    Friends of the Soviet Union (an organization to which Baldwin belonged)
    William Foster (communist; on ACLU founding board of directors)
    Elizabeth Gurley Flynn (communist; on ACLU founding board of directors)
    Crystal Eastman (socialist; on ACLU founding board of directors)
    Scott Nearing (socialist; on ACLU founding board of directors)
    Norman Thomas (socialist; on ACLU founding board of directors)

    And the beat goes on…

    • Steve says:

      More on the ACLU and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn:

      ACLU Must Stay True To Communist Roots | Sweetness & Light

    • heykev says:

      Steve –

      Very interesting article. Your correct in saying it was unintentionally funny. Also fascinating that she was give a full burial in Red Square. Must be the pinnacle of “success” for ACLU members. Gives them something to aspire too.

      Makes me even more about how Ruth Bader Ginsburg could serve on Supreme Court knowing the ACLU’s anti-American objectives.

      Thanks letting me know about the article.

    • proreason says:

      I was going to write a post saying that I don’t know the roots of the ACLU but if I had to guess, I would suspect Communists, or at least suspect Communists as the creators of the modern organization.

      Then I read Steve’s link.

      What a shock.

      As I’ve been saying a lot lately, I’ve been struggling to understand the counter-intuitive national self-hatred that is so prevelant in this country today, and in the current political “leaders”. I’ve been postulating that it is learned behaviour and that the teaching of that behaviour could be traced back to a deliberate strategy created by the communists of the 30’s and 40’s.

      It would be interesting to research to see if that thesis is true. I probably picked up the idea from multiple sources that have already looked into it, so I wouldn’t be surprised to find quite a bit of literature on the topic.

    • heykev says:

      It would make for good thesis for someone to research.

      Liberalism from ACLU, Planned Parenthood to Saul Alinsky to George Soros…all the way to BHO.

      I believe there is a direct correlation between these groups and people and how/why BHO is governing and making his decisions.

      What i don’t understand is how the MSM has been co-opted by these groups and willingly take their marching orders and print their news releases practically verbatim. I would think they would want to follow any story as long it was good.

    • proreason says:

      Heykev – “how the MSM has been co-opted by these groups and willingly take their marching orders and print their news releases practically verbatim”

      I think I understand that and have written about it a couple of times now.

      The 20th century american radicals, who I believe were the Communists of the 30’s and 40’s, made a conscious decision to infiltrate and take over education and the media. Education and the media are closely related, since the media are educated in some of the most radical environments in the country.

      This has been going on for 60 or 70 years, and the “purity” of the product has been improving over time. Anybody coming out of a “journalism” school today is so throroughly indoctrinated that they aren’t even capable of seeing a pro-American side to an issue. And they laugh at the thought that they might be considered radical. Basically, they have been brainwashed, but it has happened over such a long period of time that there doesn’t even need to be an infusion of external radicalism into the mix. At this point, it is self generating.

    • heykev says:

      Pro –

      While I think you maybe correct in your thesis regarding how the MSM became and remains co-opted.

      I still can’t get past that once these future Soros lackeys leave college, people become conservative because of the realities of life. They “put away childish things” and become productive adults. I just don’t see how that indoctrination can last throughout their lives.

      I have heard that in order to move a head in this business you must be liberal, attend the obligatory effete parties and soiree’s, so you get to know the “right” people. Otherwise you’ll be as welcome as an Orthodox Rabbi at a Hamas Suicide Bomber recruitment meeting.

  3. Colonel1961 says:

    Open thread? Can I can get the ‘RB-tini’ recipe?

    • catie says:

      Okay, I consider myself pretty up on the ETOH beverage department but what the heck is a RB-tini?

  4. Barbie says:

    re: HeyKev’s comments
    ‘She also wanted to make sure that blacks who she believed were a religious people—and how useful ministers would be to her project. She wrote in a letter:
    “The minister’s work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

    ‘Reverend’ Jeremiah Wright – are you listening? You’re so pro-abortion – are you listening?

    • proreason says:

      I see abortion as a fundamentally anti-family action, that fits perfectly with the radical strategy to break up societal units that enable individuals to resist central authority.

      But women who practice abortion see it differently. In my view, their underlying goal is actually similar to conservative’s underlying goal, which is freedom of action. But as it plays out for the feminist, the flash point becomes her freedom to have sex without repercussions. And that is where the tyranists pounce and subvert the feminists’ goals to their own goal of subjugating the population.

      Here’s how it works: women who practice abortion are less likely to get married. Therefore less likely to form families. Therefore less able to fend independently. Therefore more likely to look for help from a central government. Therefore less likely to resist being controlled by the central government. So they are coopted into actions that are directly opposed to their own fundamental goal.

      So, in my view, the feminist movement (which is really the pro-abortion movement) is one of the prime examples of sleight of hand by the tyranists. The tyranists have used an issue that appears to be totally unrelated to the tyranists’ goal of absolute power to create allies where no natural alliance ought to exist. And in the ultimate irony, rather than acheiving their goal of independence, the feminists become serfs to the master government and defeat their true goal, which is freedom, not abortion for abortion’s sake.

    • wardmama4 says:

      One of the most profound statements I ever read was – the single biggest obstacle to feminism is children. (from the book The Retreat from Motherhood, on (big surprise) feminism and the destruction of the family).

      Take that and digest it – makes it clear how all of this is tied together – feminism, anti-Americanism, abortion and the destruction of family. Take one goal at a time – mix them together (i.e. feminists rant against marriage (slavery, property of men, archaic institution etc) and one step at a time – society is weakened and destroyed.

      It amazes me to no end that women & minorities buy into this drivel lock, stock and barrel – they are the intended victims, the ones who always have been and always will be the slaves of such hateful, controlling power grabs and yet they willingly let themselves be lead to slaughter. Again and again.

      As Rush said a lot during the past election season – Ignorance is the most expensive item in America today. It is going to lead to our destruction.

      Canary – it went fine for me – again and again. Try redstate.com and look for it that way.

    • catie says:

      This morning in Mass we had a visiting priest from Human Rights International that has their primary focus on the Right to Life. He was from right down the road on I-66 in Front Royal. He was an alum of the class of 1984 of Notre Dame and he discussed how that “great Catholic Mario Cuomo” gave the speech his year. He said Cuomo was telling them that they needed to keep their faith to themselves and not make moral judgments as they are unpopular. He said that most of the class wondered to themselves why he was even invited and how disgusted he was with the current class who cheered the messiah who is the most anti-life president ever and how these people will destroy this country if they are not stopped. I don’t know what our country will look like in 2012 but I don’t like the way it looks in May of 2009.

  5. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    You all must be referring to Margaret Sanger, of which many pro-feminists revere as a saint to their cause. Sanger was an evil person with a complete utter lack of scruple. Power was what she craved above anything else and if it were possible to have the entire male population emasculated she would’ve done so.

    • canary says:

      12 Gauge Rage, Margaret Sanger white supremist genocide award was given to Hillary Clinton this year. I guess a consolation prize. Martin Luther King was decieved by Planned Parent Hood in accepting the award, but gave it back, when he released what it symbolized. Sanger was a female hitler. Probably gay too.


    • Celina says:

      Yep, she received the award this year right after a trip to Mexico where she asked who painted the tilma depicting Our Lady of Guadalupe, the patroness of the unborn and of North America. Despicable.

      As an aside, I know many of you are praying people and you probably already pray for our troops and their families. My husband just headed downrange and I have not heard from him. I know that he is probably okay but our little troops (our children) are getting a little restless as they try to adjust to having him gone. If you could pray for Jason and his children, as well as all those other families who are anxiously awaiting that quick phone call or email or little text message, it would be greatly appreciated. I know he should be calling or emailing soon but when it goes this long, I get nervous. I don’t know how my neighbors whose husbands are infantry do it. I feel like such a weenie. Those women have my utmost respect.

      Thank you very much.

    • catie says:

      Celina, your Jason and your little family have my prayers. I know what you mean when you feel like you know you should be hearing from him soon. Sometimes they go straight into whatever they’re doing and while you know in your head they’re okay, in your heart it’s something different entirely. How long is he gone for? If you need anything, let me know.

    • 12 Gauge Rage says:

      My prayers go out to everyone whose loved ones are deployed in harm’s way. And also a big gratitude of thanks to those of you that served this great nation. Have a very reverent Memorial Day.

  6. proreason says:

    This man seems to have a reasonable alternative to Obamaf*you Universal Health Care:

    His name is Ross Mackenzie…writing at Townhall….. http://townhall.com/columnists/RossMackenzie/2009/05/23/the_car_insurance_alternative_to_obamacare

    Somebody could persuade me it’s a dumb idea, but off the top, it makes sense.

    1. Government mandates Health Insurance like it mandates Auto Insurance.
    2. Everyone must have at least high deductable insurance.
    3. For the very poor, they are subsidized.
    4. Enforcement is via IRS at tax time. If you can’t demonstrate minimal compliance, you are fined steeply.
    5. Private companies continue to provide the health insurance. No government interferance. Much like Auto Ins.

    That plan is more controlling than we have now, but MUCH LESS intrusive than what we are going to be forced into.

    There is a solid model that works in place now (for auto insurance).

    Why didn’t I hear the idea from a Republican legislator?

    • Colonel1961 says:

      Agree, PR. And while I hate for our Federal Gubmint to mandate anything, it’s better – by far – than Obamacare. And, you’re right again – where were the Pubs with a PR/Colonel-esque healthcare solution? We should be getting paid for this stuff…

    • proreason says:

      This approach will probably be ignored because it doesn’t “solve” the problem of seemingly ever rising health care costs.

      But I say, why don’t we try, for once, addressing one problem at a time.

      And why don’t we also recognize that the “problem” of rising costs isn’t all that it is made out to be. The primary reasons that health care costs are rising are that medical science continously develops new treatments and that people now live longer and naturally incur higher costs for that reason. But, of course, that recognition wouldn’t give politicians something to “fix”.

      The way I see it there are really 5 problems:

      1. Health services is not a free market. Consumers are disconnected from providers, which distorts pricing.
      2. People are being taught that health care is a “right” rather than a responsibility to oneself.
      3. People realize that if they they can get treatment even if they don’t provide insurance for themselves.
      4. Litigation against health care providers has been allowed to get out of control.
      5. Nobody educates the public that new treatments and drugs are the main reason why the cost of health services grows. It’s actually very easy to manage one’s health costs. Just don’t use treatments or drugs developed in the last 20 years. Anyone who chooses not to do that ought to be willing to pay for adding years to his or her life.

      The “auto insurance plan” addresses problems 2 and 3.

      Problem 1 can be addressed by doing nothing. Problem 4 may already be coming under control. And Problem 5 could be easily corrected if there was even a single honest politician.

      But of course, there isn’t a single honest politician holding office today.

  7. proreason says:

    Obamy discovered friday that the country is broke:


    How did it happen?

    “SCULLY: Yet, it all takes money. You know the numbers, $1.7 trillion debt, a national deficit of $11 trillion. At what point do we run out of money?

    OBAMA: Well, we are out of money now. We are operating in deep deficits, not caused by any decisions we’ve made on health care so far. This is a consequence of the crisis that we’ve seen and in fact our failure to make some good decisions on health care over the last several decades.”

    Well, as he painfully explains, Obamy didn’t have anything to do with it.

    • proreason says:

      More good news from the interview:

      Obamy: “And I am willing to tinker and borrow and steal ideas from just about anybody if I think they might work”

      yessireebob, that’s what I was hopen for…..a tinkerer.

      And I don’t know about you, but I may have already had all the tinkerin I can take.

      And then there’s this:

      “SCULLY: When in your day or in your schedule do you have time to think?
      OBAMA: Well, you know what? I try to make time during the course of the day.”

      Who knew? He thinks. Really?

      and he’s all over cyber-security:

      “We don’t have I think the kind of comprehensive plan to deal with cyber security that the country needs. Now, there is not a cyber attack right now. There is not some emergency virus right now. But that’s a big critical system that is vital to our economy.”

      Thank God for that. Here I was worried about a national debt bigger than a Tyrannasaurus Rex, and getting blown up by suicide bombers, and nukes going off in my neigborhood, but our little prez Obamy is making time to thing about bugs in Windows.

      Now I feel safe.

  8. Anonymoose says:

    Now Obama is making “news” about who he’d like for his next Supreme:


    So Obamba says to the potential nominees:

    “You have to have not only the intellect to be able to effectively apply the law to cases before you,”

    But also this:

    “But you have to be able to stand in somebody else’s shoes and see through their eyes and get a sense of how the law might work or not work in practical day-to-day living.”

    Isn’t this the typical meaningless ideas he puts out? The empathy angle to get the whole liberal “sensitivity” and being an intellectual with the law because only Dems are competent?

    And isn’t effectively using the law a minimal requirement for a Supreme?

    Now look a little further:

    “He consulted senators on the Judiciary Committee, without revealing much. His aides gave an audience to interest groups, but warned them that Obama did not want to be lobbied. Obama is conferring with a circle of advisers, but is heavily involved in his own review as a lawyer who loves constitutional law. ”

    Seems to me all more posturing from His Holiness. He consults as a gesture because it looks good and that’s what he’s supposed to do. His aides talk to the interest groups but keeps them away, and Obama relies on his “circle of advisors.” to tell….er advise him whom to choose.

    • Petronius says:

      “But you have to be able to stand in somebody else’s shoes and see through their eyes and get a sense of how the law might work or not work in practical day-to-day living.”

      Oliver Wendell Holmes (Jr.) once defined law as “the prophesies of what courts will do.” But if judges take off the blindfold, and decide cases based on “empathy,” then the law becomes unpredictable, and the rule of law ceases.

      One of the requirements for a civilization to exist is that the society is ordered by a system of laws, which are enforced in such a way that the people can enter into contracts, conduct trade, and go about their ordinary affairs with reasonable expectations about the outcome of their actions and, in times of peace, without danger of attack or arbitrary arrest. These conditions have not existed after dark in most major American cities for many years now. But under the “empathy” test laid down by Nerobama, those conditions––and civilization––would cease to exist. Under these conditions our society and system of government is transformed to either semi-anarchy or despotism (Bolshevism, Mugabeism, Chavezism).

      For a lawyer––and Nerobama is at least trained as a lawyer––to make such a statement as that uttered above is cause for genuine alarm. Nerobama clearly has the aptitude for despotism. If you had any doubt remaining on that score, his own words should remove that doubt.

    • proreason says:

      “For a lawyer––and Nerobama is at least trained as a lawyer––to make such a statement as that uttered above is cause for genuine alarm. Nerobama clearly has the aptitude for despotism. If you had any doubt remaining on that score, his own words should remove that doubt.”

      That is a very insightful comment Petro.

      This is what gripes me about attacks on the Constitution and social norms like marriage.

      If our system were inflexible, it would be a problem, but the system is highly flexible by design.

      For Obama to not realize that and in fact TO ABUSE IT is the most frightening thing of anything he does.

      He is already acting like a dictator.

  9. heykev says:


    From the prognosticators of End of the World as we know it at:

    Gerald Celante of the “The Trends Research Institute” was on Fox earlier and talked about the coming “GREATER DEPRESSION” that will begin in 2012. This is exactly what everyone here at S&L has been worried about because of this huge trainloads of cash to companies that are “too big to fail.”

    Mr. Celante has an impressive record as a futurist whose been spot on predicting many of the economic ups and down in the recent past. Here’s a sampling of what he predicts in his latest “Trends Journal” (which, of course, is by subscription only so I cannot post the full article, just excerpts of what he’s posted online):

    The Collapse of ’09
    The “Panic of ’08” will be followed by “The Collapse of ’09.” In 2008, when the world’s largest financial firms and equity markets crumbled, Wall Street’s woes preoccupied the media. In 2009, the focus will broaden to include a range of calamities that will leave no sector unscathed…..

    The Greatest Depression
    While we alone predicted the “Panic of ’08” (and even took out the domain name “Panicof08.com” on November 7, 2007), we are not alone in predicting a Depression…..

    The Revolution
    It’s unprecedented. There is nothing like it in the history of the United States. No week goes by without the Government buying into or buying up another failing “too big to fail” using taxpayer money. In the process, a super-race of corporate giants is being created that will be declared “too big to tumble.” It is a matter of historical fact: When people are homeless, helpless, desperate, jobless and hungry, sooner or later they will rebel. And it won’t be any different in America…..

    Little People Squeeze
    To keep local, state and federal governments running, and to finance stimulus packages and bailout programs, politicians will put the squeeze on the already squeezed. The biggest squeeze: property taxes. Historically, empires crash when taxes are raised beyond the capacity to pay…..

    As someone whose currently unemployed, this is really scary. It’s been my firm belief that if Bush and BHO had done nothing but simply let the market correct itself, we’d be out of this recession by now.

    As an aside, in talking to recruiters, unemployed friends, etc. there were literally NO JOBS for the first 2-1/2 months of 2009. Things are starting to pick up a little now. Recruiters, friends, etc now tell me that the market is getting better. I can say that it is just judging by the number of interviews I’ve had this month, that the economy is improving. But we would out of the recession by now had nothing been done.

    Now, the BHO’s “Greatest Depression” is looming on the horizon. So like FDR, BHO will add to both the severity and time to a recession and create a Depression that will last and last and last. Which is something I don’t want to ponder, but also believe should plan for what my options would be if this did occur.

    • proreason says:

      Scary stuff heykev

      If the economy doesn’t pick up, and there is no certainty that it will, and inflation kicks in as most observors predict, it will be a combustable mixture late this year and in 2010.

      Panic will begin to mount and combined with the substantial anger already held by many of us for being robbed of our life savings and livlihood, it will be directed toward whoever is in government at the time. In my opinion, no amount of wavey fingers, soaring rhetoric and parsed lies will be able to stop it.

  10. JohnMG says:

    To all who have served, and/or are still serving, to all of the members of families who sacrifice and pray for them, and especially for those who have made the ultimate sacrifice so that we may live free, I extend my most sincere gratitude.

    As well, thanks to all of our allies throughout the years who have shared our sacrifices, and whose governments will not or do not recognize the burdens their own patriots have borne, may they rest securely in God’s favor.

    Let us remember them all in solemn reverence and respect.

  11. Petronius says:

    Sadly there are some American war dead who may be disrespected this Memorial Day. Nerobama is being urged by some of the usual suspects to forgo the customary Presidential wreath at the Confederate Memorial in Arlington National Cemetery. President Woodrow Wilson started this tradition in 1914 to honor the 500 Confederate dead buried at Arlington, as a gesture of restored national unity. Prior to 1914, Southerners were not allowed to visit the graves of their relatives buried in Arlington.


    Deo vindice.

    • JohnMG says:

      Well noted, Petronius. And soon, revisionist historians will have completely erased this fact from the public conscienciousness. I predict Obama will cave in to the politically correct rantings. And it will be all the cover he needs for his own prejudices.

      It’s sad, indeed, that this day should be used for political ends. Obama will be remembered as our first black president, but he will never be remembered as a statesman, and no amount of posturing can change that.

    • catie says:

      I would be very surprised if that wreath goes out there tomorrow. I know his stupid arse is going which means we go out today to visit friends who died in Iraq instead of tomorrow. He may be my husband’s CIC but he doesn’t want to be anywhere near him and he said he’d puke if he watched him lay another wreath (like they did before the inauguration) and had to listen to him speak. We know the wife claims “slave blood” so another tradition will be broken. War dead is war dead and if he truly admired Lincoln he would have “malice towards none” but it’s not PC and his friends like Billy Ayers the terrorist would not approve. He is a sad excuse for a president, is he not?”

  12. republicguard says:

    He will never be a true Commander in Chief until he learns to respect the wars and battles our troops have faced. In 2007 he said our troops are “just air-raiding villages and killing civilians” in Afghanistan. Way to build esprit de corps.

    • catie says:

      I truly thinks he looks at the military as a “Necessary Evil” and that’s all. He really has nothing but disdain for those who serve and their families. In spite of all his stupid puffed up speeches and the linebacker’s attempts to cause a schism within the ranks (choosing to meet only with that Blue stars for obummer crowd at military posts), he is nothing. I have absolutely no respect for him in that capacity at all. Did you catch his speech at Annapolis, it was like he was taking credit for killing those pirates even though he mentioned the Seals it was still all about him and his decisions. And another stupid comment he made there was that as CIC he wouldn’t send them into harm’s way needlessly. WTF (I never use that but I cannot help myself), who the hell does he think sends them into harms way, willy nilly. Well maybe Clinton did to cover his wide arse but seriously this guy is an absolute clown. And even though you read it nowhere (maybe on Drudge and a few blogs) according to people I know in Iraq, when he came through the advance team asked which military folks voted for him so they could put them up on the dais. I guess after his reception from the Marines, he decided to have a more “friendly” crowd.

    • proreason says:

      “And another stupid comment he made there was that as CIC he wouldn’t send them into harm’s way needlessly.”

      His speeches as well as everything he says are filled with snide accusations about the prior administration.

      It’s so wrong on so many levels, but the most annoying thing is that it is so juvenile.

      If he can’t resist that kind of grade-school tactic when giving a speech in his own country, what kind of self-control will the guy exhibit when a truly serious crisis arises when military action is one of the option?. It doesn’t bode well does it?

    • proreason says:

      “choosing to meet only with that Blue stars for obummer crowd at military posts”

      Catie, you’ve mentioned this before.

      Does this mean that the wife of the President of the United States only meets with military wives that worked in his campaign, even though the campaign is over and he now (supposedly) represents the entire country?

      If so, doesn’t that mean she is:

      a. deliberately creating conflicts in the military by favoring one group over another, and
      b. a coward

      Are there other POTUS wives who have also done that? ever?

      I must be misinterpretting your comments, because it is simply unbelievable.

      But if my interpretation is correct, it seems to me that wives of retired military men should lodge formal protests with their congressional representatives in behalf of the active wives who cannot do so (because doing so would surely risk ruining their husband’s careers).

    • catie says:

      Pro, have you ever been on MFVOV.com? They mentioned it there but one guy who used to serve with my hubby told him that when his wife went they were only talking to people who could prove they belonged to that Blue Star for obummer group. Additionally my old neighbors in VA BCH were pressured into going to an event on her husband’s ship during the campaign by the XO’s wife to meet with the wife. Robin told me that she did not want to go but Rob told her that he wanted to make LCDR and she better get her butt to that meeting and smile big. She said it was incredibly uncomfortable. To make matters worse the XO’s wife wanted them to work in a call bank during the last two weeks of the campaign. She was just pregnant and begged off with sickness.
      I don’t know any Presidential wife who did this from my time in from 82-92 (active and reserve time), or my time as a spouse from 2000. When they have accompanied their husbands (Hillary wasn’t one of these spouses) they would generally meet with the spouses of the deployed Soldiers and sometimes with the ones who do the most volunteer work and things like that. They generally helped with care packages for a few minutes or listened to the spouses or heard some kid tell a story. I saw Laura Bush twice and she was always pleasant and seemed interested in interacting with the families. She had a way of disarming even those who may have disagreed with the war.
      Cindy McCain did not meet with spouse groups like the Mrs. O. She knew better as a military spouse herself.
      It would be nice if the retired spouses would speak up but for many they don’t care as long as they get to go to their teas still.
      Unfortunately this story is true. As I said my husband’s friend told him about what happened in Iraq and everything I said is true. There is a website called Blue Stars for Obama that one can sign up for if they are interested. My neighbors on the right belong, their daughter just joined the Navy in October and proudly cast her first vote for the messiah. She is young though and there is still hope.
      BTW we just got in from Arlington and happily there were a lot of people there. Lots of wanderers through Section 60. We left a small bottle of Knob Hill on our groomsman’s grave and my husband had his small bottle with him after myself and the kids went back to the car (I’m sure you all know this but if you are visiting a specific person you can get a pass to drive in) and I drove home. He said there was no way he was going tomorrow with the Clown in Chief being there.
      Edited to add this: Check out this website: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/bluestarfamilies/
      I cannot believe that I actually know Laura Dempsey. My husband was in the same unit with hers when we first got married. We used to meet sometimes on Saturday night and go to Mass at the Cathedral in Savannah and go to dinner when our husbands were deployed. She’s an attorney. I must go tell my husband. I know he’ll be shocked.
      Also here is another link. It makes me wonder whether or not the idiot Michelle thought up this group herself. Anyway read this and weep: http://obamesque.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/michelle%E2%80%99s-blue-stars-for-obama-pro-military-pro-obama/

  13. David says:

    My dad from Vietnam, my grandpa from Korea, and my brother from Iraq all came home safe. I couldn’t imagine life without them. This morning my heart goes out to you here on S&L that can not say the same. I pray God gives you peace and comfort as you think today on the honor of those you have lost. For those who have served and remember brothers and buddies, I hope your day can be filled with pleasant memories of jokes, antics and conversations. Thank you for the fullness of the measure of your devotion.

  14. MinnesotaRush says:

    And .. with all the vets on board here .. especially the Marines .. I submit the following.

    A Harley rider is passing the zoo when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion’s cage. Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her under the eyes of her screaming parents.

    The biker jumps off his bike, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch. Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back, letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly.

    A New York Times reporter has watched the whole event. The reporter says, “Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I saw a man do in my whole life.” The biker replies, “Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.”

    The reporter says, “Well, I’m a journalist from the New York Times, and tomorrow’s paper will have this story on the front page … so, what do you do for a living and what political affiliation do you have?” The biker replies, “I’m a U.S. Marine and a Republican.”

    The following morning the biker buys The New York Times to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on front page:


  15. proreason says:

    2 excellent perspectives on the Egotist in Chief:

    VDH: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGY5NjU2MmFiN2FjZmRjYTFhMDAzYWE2NzY3YmY1NDE=

    “rather than explaining the bleak choices before us and explaining why his preferences have the best chance of succeeding, Obama has so far reduced his presidency to two themes: “Bush did it” and “I’m not your normal white male President.”

    Bill Kristol: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/532tzlcn.asp?pg=2

    “Barack Obama happens temporarily to occupy the White House. He is entitled to pride in his own achievement and confidence in his own abilities. But it would be good if he showed that he understood that he is now president of the United States first, and Barack Obama, admirer of his own journey, second. ”

    The man-child needs a theme song. I’ld like to formally suggest one:

    Toby Keith’s “I Wanna Talk About Me”

    “I wanna talk about me
    Wanna talk about I
    Wanna talk about number one
    Oh my me my
    What I think
    What I like
    What I know
    What I want
    What I see
    I like talking about you, you, you, you usually
    But occasionally
    I wanna talk about me (me, me, me, me)
    I wanna talk about me (me, me)”

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