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The Hive – The 2nd McCain/Obama Debate

A place for stinging commentary on the second Presidential debate.

Let’s hope the mean old partisan John McCain shows up.

This article was posted by Steve on Tuesday, October 7th, 2008. Comments are currently closed.

91 Responses to “The Hive – The 2nd McCain/Obama Debate”

  1. Media_man says:

    McCain is down by 3 scores with less than 5 minutes to go. He better kick some ass with both feet tonight or he’s toast.

    I hope he understands the future of the country is more important than his bipartisan standing in the US Senate or his image in the liberal media.

  2. BillK says:

    Unfortunately, that’s the one thing McCain can be counted on to do – to be bipartisan to the end and “reach out” to the other side of the aisle, with the resulting tire tracks across his back.

    Quite frankly, most of the American public is so hyped on socialism being good and necessary I don’t think there’s anything McCain could do to gain voters at this point but rather he can only not lose those already leaning his way.

    And that’s not likely to be enough with the MSM just starting to dip into their dirty tricks bag.

  3. clifcrds says:

    Don’t know what this is worth BUT it could be a game ender for nObama if proven true . . . and might just add a little bit of rationale as to why nObama wants to hide the fact that he launched his political careen in the living room of an admited America hating, socialist domestic terrorist. It is posted on Larry Johnson’s web site but it is not written by Larry.

    When the debate is over . . . read on and decide for yourself:


  4. clifcrds says:

    Just to follow up on my last post – I couldn’t wait for the debate to end. I went to one of the links in the article and found this blurb about the 90’s socialist Chicago New Party . . .

    Secondly, the NP’s ’96 Political Program has been enormously successful with 3 of 4 endorsed candidates winning electoral primaries. All four candidates attended the NP membership meeting on April 11th to express their gratitude. Danny Davis, winner in the 7th Congressional District, invited NPers to join his Campaign Steering Committee. Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in 7th Subcircuit Court, explained that due to the NP she was able to network and get experienced advice from progressives like Davis.

    Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration.

  5. Helena says:

    Sheesh. McCain is trying to Outbama Obama.

    He is going to empower the Treasury Department to buy up all the bad mortgages and reduce the rates or reduce prices.

    And he’ll put Warren (Frickin’) Buffet in charge?

  6. Kilmeny says:

    Economics is clearly not the strong point of either one.

  7. Helena says:

    Again Obama is claiming two years ago — and one year ago — he pointed out the problems.

    Where is the proof? Nobody has been able to show any evidence of this. None.

  8. Steve says:

    Notice how artfully Mr. Brokaw has managed to disallow any rebuttal from McCain.

    Like Ifill and Lehrer before him, they make an art of changing the subject so that the lies put out cannot be knocked down.

  9. Steve says:

    In the first debate Obama did not name one thing he would cut. But instead, he listed $3 trillion dollars in new spending.

    For some reason McCain isn’t mentioning any of this.

  10. Kilmeny says:

    You’d get fairer moderation from a game-show host.

  11. 1sttofight says:

    McCain is losing the election before our eyes tonight.

  12. Media_man says:

    Brokaw isn’t allowing any rebuttal at all.

    I suppose this was agreed on by both parties, but it negates the purpose of a townhall format. With only 1 minute you can’t possibly rebut anything.

    McCain seems like he’s ready for a nap.

    I think Obama could have belonged to the Black Panthers & it won’t make any difference now.

    Dow will sink to 5,000 before next June, if not sooner.

  13. sheehanjihad says:

    I dont like what is going on….MSM run “debate”? I am surprised Brokaw even mentioned McCain’s name. He is a dyed in the wool liberal, and he would marry Obama if he could. I cant watch this without having anxiety attacks…..I see our country slipping into the slimey grip of that silver tongued anti Christ.

  14. Media_man says:

    God I wish Sarah Palin was here doing the talking.

  15. Kilmeny says:

    Was the debate supposed to be all about the economy, purposely? It seems like they’re keeping to this topic far too long.

  16. 1sttofight says:

    Me too, Media_man, Me too.

  17. 1sttofight says:

    How the hell do you give someone a tax cut when they do not pay any taxes at all?

  18. Kilmeny says:

    !st, because “tax cut” sounds better than “here, let us give you a large sum of money to which you are not entitled”.

  19. Steve says:

    “!st, because “tax cut” sounds better than “here, let us give you a large sum of money to which you are not entitled.”

    Yes, he will increase the “earned income credit.”

    If that isn’t Orwellian Newspeak nothing is.

  20. Media_man says:

    McCain just had a good rally on Medicare (proposed a “base closing” type commission). Scored some points I thought (9:41 pm).

    I don;t know why he didn’t bring up the fact that the Dems had the White House for 8 years in the 90’s & never proposed any reforms at all, & scuttled the Breaux Commission that Clinton appointed to do just that.

  21. Steve says:

    Wow, we just learned that government invented the computer.

    Of course Obama would believe that.

  22. platypus says:

    On the development question, McCain just threw Bush under the bus and tossed Obmanation right on top of him.

  23. Anonymoose says:

    I had a dream last night Obama was talking about Soylent Green and nobody noticed……

    This is even sadder than watching Dole and Clinton, I would have at one time thought the silver lining was Obama will likely inherit an economic mess he won’t be able to straighten out and therefore be not only a one termer but completely impotent. But that was before modern politics, so true are the followers in the shadow of Obama that he could start World War III and they would be asking how that red button could possibly have malfunctioned.

    Need another six pack, maybe twelve…..

  24. Steve says:

    Obama ALWAYS breaks the rules.

    And on top of that, Brokaw ALWAYS gives him the last word.

    These are the people who want to bring back the “fairness doctrine”?

  25. platypus says:

    Obambi just trashed his VP’s state!!! He blamed Delaware for subprime credit card issuing and for harboring banks that issue those cards.

  26. I think McCain is doing ok. This isnt as exciting as 2004’s Cheney/Edwards debate (Cheney smoked his ass!) but I think McCain is doing a good job. Dunno if it matters at this point, but he is doing well.

  27. Media_man says:

    McCain’s talking National Defense now but didn’t bring up Ayers or at the very least how Obama would cut defense spending.

    Obama’s blasting away on Iraq now.

    Your right SG, Brokaw is giving Obama the last word on all the important points.

  28. notsoyoungjim says:

    Dumbo reactive to Big Mac tonite–big mac laying out his case better than before, taxes, energy, health care.

    Dumbo will outspend Big Mac, but we knew that one.

    Obama doctrine for use of force. Moral issues outweigh state issues. ROFL

  29. acamos says:

    I’ve come to believe that we deserve whatever circle of hell we are about to descend into. Maybe we could vote Obama off the island.

  30. sheehanjihad says:

    Having Brokaw moderating this debate is like having Hitler being a judge at Nuremburg.

  31. Media_man says:

    At least McCain got in a rebuttal to Obama’s Iraq attacks on the “McCain Doctrine” question.

    McCain’s re-counting Lebanon & how he opposed Reagan in 1983 for sending Marines. Point well taken.

  32. ErinP says:

    I have no doubt that McCain “would rather lose an election than lose a war.” He’s a good and honrable man. Unfortunately, this debate and the last have proven, in my view, that he’d rather lose an election than to lose “bipartisanship”. I pray to God that the positives of Sarah Palin and the negatives finally coming out of Obama’s past are enough to swing it back.
    For what it’s worth, Dick Morris thinks Obama “peaked too soon”, and has a fight on his hands in the last weeks of the contest. Gosh I hope so.

  33. Media_man says:

    Obama is puffing out his chest now about how he’s going to show Pakistan how to conduct its affairs if they don’t clean up their act.

    Forget that this could start a nuclear war.

    McCain is dinging Obama pretty badly now w/ Pakistan.

    Teddy Roosevelt said “Talk softly & carry a big stick”. Obama just “talks loudly”

  34. ErinP says:

    McCain’s finally objecting to Obama’s butt-insky “last word” quips.

  35. platypus says:

    YES!!! McCain got Obambi to whine!

  36. ErinP says:

    Gooooooood grief!!!!!! Obama’s s t i l l g o i n g …..

  37. Steve says:

    Obama — in another followup (McCain has had none) lies again:

    Obama Wants To Send Troops Into Pakistan | Sweetness & Light

    Obama 2004: For Hitting Iran, Even Pakistan | Sweetness & Light

  38. nicotusc15 says:

    Who the hell says “PAHkistAHN” anyway? He probably orders “Yiros” too.

  39. wardmama4 says:

    This was worse than watching Biden/Palin – at least in that one – half of the ‘debate’ was worth listening to. Did you catch the slick (and almost silent) way Obama started and answer with I’m going to have to raise your (the) taxes but – I noticed that after that, he always avoided such a direct (and honest) response. Must have gotten either a look of horror from a supporter or laughter from a McCain supporter.

    McCain looks like the old geezer the other side is complaining he is. He had such a spark after the Palin announcement – my daughter said that in person he looks much fitter and better than his pictures (and that Palin is very beautiful) – this was just last week – perhaps his sellout of Americans voting on this bailout – took a toll on him.

    Obama, having no soul does not look tired, troubled or even alive –

    Once again – damn them all to hell – it is (as Ann Coulter said in Feb of this year) a choice between -”self-immolation or the traditional gun in the mouth’- it is simply a matter as to how quickly America is destroyed.

    I voted (absentee – not to participate in the Vote Early, Vote Often crowd – I’m a poll worker) and will hope for something, you know, the biggest fear of the left wing fringe, moonbats and other assorted nuts – Gov Palin being a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. I can dream.

  40. Steve says:

    Will someone please note that the US took the Dem’s constant advice — and put NATO in charge of Afghanistan.

    The problem there is that nobody else in NATO wants to get their hands dirty.

  41. ErinP says:

    SG — yep. McCain FINALLY inisisted on his own follow-up. If it makes any diff, Obama looks juvenile when he repeatedly insists on more than his share of air time.

  42. Media_man says:

    McCain is settling into a groove now.

    I’m not sure if it will matter in the next few days but I think people will be scared off by Obama’s Pakistan chest thumping.

    That’s my wish now anyway.

    Not as big of a disaster as it looked like in the first 10 minutes.

  43. platypus says:

    This sounds like two guys competing for a job opening. Nothing more than arguing their resume points.

    No wonder nobody is energized. Between the two of them, I could have a good nap.

  44. Kilmeny says:

    “Russian PEACE-keepers”?

  45. ErinP says:

    Damn good Military question!!

  46. Sharps Rifle says:

    I swear to God, I’m watching the slow death of the United States…and the media are dispensing the poison.

  47. Steve says:

    Obama Won’t Attack Iran After Israel Attack | Sweetness & Light

  48. Kilmeny says:

    Is he serious? Talking to these countries like they were recalcitrant toddlers? That’s his foreign policy?

  49. platypus says:

    Obambi’s foreign policy theme song is Daydream Believer.

  50. platypus says:


  51. ErinP says:

    platypus — that would be a fantastic background song to drop into an ad with Obama’s quotes and a narrator with a voice portending evil outcomes and references to Neville Chamberlain.

  52. platypus says:

    MCain did a nice closing.

  53. platypus says:

    You’re right, ErinP, but I do not have the skills to do it.

  54. Sharps Rifle says:

    This election is gonna suck…

    I wonder where I can go to sit out the next four years until we have a chance to get rid of Dumbo?

  55. ErinP says:

    platypus – me neither :(

  56. nicotusc15 says:

    He’s looking more and more like Bob Dole. Emminently qualified, utterly uninspiring, and to honorable to go on attack.

  57. wardmama4 says:

    At least McCain answered the last question – Obama tried to joke his way out of answering it. Not to mention beating the dead horse that America has only gone to hell because of the past 8 years and the ‘Bush’ policies.

    I also like McCain’s last word – of course his standing in front of Brokow was just an added bennie.

    I honestly liked the Saddleback the best – same question, they answered, the other guy was not there. Maybe because this isn’t my idea of a real debate. And did Brokow really say Bob Schieffer is doing the next one? What a crock – is it only because they are pandering to the people who only get/live by the alphabet networks?

    Oh well – here’s hoping that someone, anyone can find that one deep dark secret that Obama wants to keep hidden away forever.

  58. DEZ says:

    Adobe Premier would be a big help platypus.
    Now I must pray for a nation.

  59. nicotusc15 says:

    Yeay. We’re about to elect our first president to admit to cocaine use. Who says society can’t evolve?

  60. Kilmeny says:

    *sigh* McCain is a nice man, a very nice man. Let’s hope he’s not about to nice himself out of a victory. He did get in some good zings, mostly later on. I’m not going to be pessimistic just yet. I think some stepping up of his game is in order. Look what Obama has planned for us if he doesn’t.

    But my problem with McCain is the same one I had before, a lot of his positions are just too liberal themselves. He should be drawing a clearer distinction between himself and Obama, especially in economic areas.

  61. Steve says:

    For anyone confused about the McGovern ad that was just shown after the debate:

    NPR: McGovern Breaks With Democrats

    All we can say is — good for McGovern.

    And what an outrage that this legislation is so bad that even a lefty like McGovern would be against it.

    It’s totalitarian.

  62. ErinP says:

    Listening to post-debate schpiel on the radio. Someone pointed out that Obama’s first priority on Brokaw’s “list” was energy, whereas on the last debate Obama said Energy would be the first one to give up. ???

  63. ErinP says:

    Is it too early to whip out the Obama-may-not-have-been-born-on-U.S.-soil card?

  64. DGA says:

    Pretty clear that the B. Hussein obama you listened to tonight is waaay far right of the true obama, the one that we have listened to for seemingly years now. Oddly enough, as the demorats work, they listen to their focus groups and then move in whatever direction they send them, and I guess that direction is right. So, why would anybody in their right mind vote for a center right fake, we all know what his true beliefs are, and whom these groups are driving the left to go, when you can have the real thing? If there’s one defense of McCain, it’s that he doesen’t waver from his true origins, not focus group driven at all. Bad though, you just know that if Hussein gets elected that his true roots will come back, maybe that’s why the far radical left don’t disown him, because they know this is just part of the ploy to get elected. Nothing else matters, do whatever is needed, say whatever lie you have to to get in office, then go the direction you really want. What a crock of crap.

  65. Paulajay says:

    This was painful to watch. Damn the mainstream media for sticking us with McCain for the Republican nominee… Just think of how Romney, Fred Thompson, Huckabee or even Guliani would have done in this debate and in this whole campaign. Sarah Palin is the only bright spot in the election. And if by the grace of God, McCain DOES win, I’m thrilled that Sarah is only a “heart-beat away from the Presidency.” SHE’LL be the one to get our Country back on the right track!

  66. JohnMG says:

    Does anyone remember the joke about the piccolo player in church?

    to paraphrase; “I’m not the man who called this debate a charade. What I want to know is, who called this charade a debate?!!”

  67. Paulajay says:

    Here’s a thought. Cindy McCain can get Budweiser to sponsor keg parties on November 3rd at every college campus in the country. Then all the Obama supporters will be too hung-over to go vote.

  68. spiffyw says:

    Obama said he talked to Bernacke about the subprime process when he first started in the Senate and Bernake was not yet in office .I don’t remember the exact words .

  69. JohnMG says:

    On FOX News afterward: My senator, Obama camp-follower, and all around whore Claire McCaskill has already been fitted out with knee pads. How this moron beat Talent in ’06 (aside from the cheating) is beyond me. The only bright spot would be if we get a Republican governor in November who could (would?) appoint a Republican to assume her senate seat until 2010.

  70. texaspsue says:

    “This was painful to watch.”

    I agree Paulajay. ( I would like to see a Debate with Rush as the Moderator.) Dang, were those planted questions or what? Nothing but a Liberal agenda.

    I need to see a conservative someone open a can of whoopa** on Buraaaack. (excuse me.) I want Sarahcuda to debate BO. :-)

    God bless America!

    ….and God help us.

  71. DEZ says:

    “Does anyone remember the joke about the piccolo player in church?’
    Piccolo player is a mutha F*****!
    Yup, I do remember. ;-)

  72. artpa says:

    after the debate the station here in Philly polled only college students on who won…. want to guess the way that went?

  73. JohnMG says:

    What I want to know is, who called that m**********r a piccolo player?

    You just made my evening, DEZ. Now I gotta go to bed. Hope I don’t have nightmares.

  74. sheehanjihad says:

    The piccolo player joke!! I havent heard that in years! Dez brings it again….MG…et al

    daydream believer…obama

    Oh I could hide, beneath the lens,
    of a doting MSM
    the six oclock alarm wont ring for me…

    but it rings, now hear my lies
    right in front of all your eyes
    my agenda’s really cold,
    and it stinks

    We’re the sleazy cream
    oh what can it mean
    to a, career politician
    who is vying to be king?

    You must think of me
    as a mixed knight on a steed
    then you’ll see how broke I’ll make you be

    and the good times will now end
    with your tax money to spend
    and every homless man will vote for me

    we’re the sleazy team
    we’re not all that we seem
    to a, real voting public
    as I take away your dreams

    I will take the states,
    cuz your society aint that swell
    there’s poor and disadvantaged
    in the same boat

    but I’ll tax, and I’ll spend
    and your will I have to bend
    besides I just paid all these folks to vote

    Were the sleazy team
    Oh what can it mean
    to a, big politician
    with a heart like a spleen

    we’re the sleazy team
    just like a bad dream
    and we’ll…ruin the country
    while your bodies float downstream

    we’re the sleazy team
    like a laser beam
    we will…take all your freedoms
    and we wont use vaseline…..

  75. BillK says:

    It’s clear now – McCain doesn’t really want to be President, he just wanted to be the nominee.

    He got what he wanted and he apparently just checked out.

    This explains so much, like why the campaign sticks Palin with the same script for weeks on end, why they won’t allow her to talk to the Press, why they won’t allow her to talk, period.

    Because Palin could actually change voters’ minds. She could bring voters in.

    And that would ruin everything.

    Like debate answers calculated to make even those who can’t bear the thought of an Obama Presidency stay home, because even drunk you just can’t do it. (Better to say you didn’t vote than that you voted to empower your new socialist overlords.)

    Why? Because that wouldn’t be bipartisan. We mustn’t upset the New York Times.

    McCain really is the face of the modern Republican Party.

    Chuck Hagel and Olympia Snowe must be so proud.

    Let’s sum up Election 2008, shall we?

    President (Vote For One)
    ( ) Castro, Fidel
    ( ) Chavez, Hugo

  76. aze_216 says:

    After 5 minutes I had to turn off the television. How can McCain say he’s going to buy up people’s mortgages, set a new value and then renegotiate the loans??? So, the rest of Americans who don’t have upside down mortgages get to bail out their neighbors? oh yeah.. that’s a great idea. who in the hell thought that one up??

    I’m still going to hold my nose and vote “for” him, but I’m not happy. Out of 300 million people these 2 are the best we could come up with?

  77. BillK says:

    Don’t forget the question of why anyone would bother to buy a mortgage on the secondary market when the Government will decide how much you’ll get paid.

    It’s the new game, debt roulette!

    Of course the real question is, why would anyone pay their mortgage?!?!.

    1) Responsible person buys a $500,000 home. They pay their mortgage on time over fifteen years, but home prices drop. They own their home but it’s worth $400,000.

    2) Deadbeat buys a $500,000 home. They only make $10,000 in payments before the value drops to $400,000 so they default, and Uncle Sam comes in, buys the paper and reevaluates the loan. Deadbeat now gets the house for $400,000.

    Uh, tell me who’s the idiot now, the person who paid their mortgage in full on time or the one who went into default?

    It’s a whole new marketplace – buy your home and hope to “short” it by defaulting on the mortgage when the value falls! Way cool!

    Think of the fun! Values going up? Time to get someone to open a meth lab down the street.

    That didn’t work? Maybe the value of your home will tank if you don’t maintain it at all!

    Hell, why paint or mow the lawn if it means you get that new home for a discount?

    Get a bunch of the neighbors together to invite a juvenile sex offender to move in up the street and you all get your homes for half price! Score!!

    All thanks to John McCain! Yay!

    Please remind me, it’s McCain good, Obama bad, right?

  78. artboyusa says:

    Well, that was depressing. I saw some, but not all of it, rerun this morning and turned it off, it was so awful. I don’t see why any of us should care more about McCain being president than McCain does, which evidently he doesn’t, since he was so crap. He could have kicked Barry all over the set -anyone could – but he didn’t bother, in fact, most of the time he looked like he had something else more important he wanted to or some place better he wanted to be.

    All Barry had to do was to show up and not drop to the floor and start praying to Mecca as soon as the red light went on and all McCain had to do was show some energy and make a case that’s eminently makeble but he didn’t bother and now we’re boned.

  79. Icarus says:

    WHAT NOW?????

    I didn’t get a chance to catch the debate.
    I have yet to scan the lefty media outlets for their take… but if things are as bad as the eye-witnessed accounts (with analysis) declare on here ……. Oh boy!!!!!

    WHAT NOW???

  80. Exeter says:

    Icarus – to sum up:
    McCain gave some quick broadsides on the Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac debacle, and actually blamed the DEMOCRATS! That was a notable improvement. He also brought up Obama’s campaign contributions coming from Fan/Fred – which was great! I thought this was going to set the tone for the rest of the debate, but unfortunately this was as ‘fightin” as McCain was inclined to get – he let it go, and even let Obama bring up Rick Davis without countering with Franklin Raines/Jim Johnson/Jamie Gorelick.

    McCain could have done better. The moment that really raised eyebrows among conservatives was his solution to the subprime mortgage problem – a massive, ‘big government’ project. With this exception, he didn’t do too badly with his economic plan, but I’m not sure he managed to ‘sell it’. Of course, he had to emphasize his ‘bipartisanship’ about three times, which got annoying.

    Obama didn’t do bad, either. It seemed to me that he failed to answer the first two or three questions he took, and the rest he answered with broad generalizations, no specifics. And he had one or two moments where he tried to break out of the debate format with rebuttals (not allowed). Of course, he made the ‘four more years of Bush’ argument in almost every answer. His biggest gaffe came when, after pointing a finger at the Republicans, he said to the audience, “but you people don’t want to hear us pointing fingers.” Do they teach irony at Harvard?

    Most of the postings here are a little heated because McCain didn’t destroy Obama when he could have. No mention of William Ayers, Tony Rezko, ACORN, or any of the other things that would expose the Anointed One as the fraud we know him to be. The old man wasn’t aggressive, but isn’t that always McCain’s problem? He just leans to the right – he’s not really a conservative.

    All things considered, McCain pretty much held his own on economic questions (Obama’s strong suit), and excelled on foreign policy (as expected). Obama managed to cloak his socialist economics fairly well, but didn’t boost anyone’s confidence that he knows how to conduct America’s foreign affairs.

    Net result: close tie, slight edge to McCain. Though of course, that’s not how the MSM will call it.

  81. Icarus says:

    Thnx for the recap Ex.
    I suppose these primetime “debates” aren’t the appropriate arenas to bring up issues such as Ayers, Rezko, ACORN, etc… would have been a heck of a night if they did!
    Overall it sounds pretty much like a dull duel (a tie at best) …with no gains for McCain.
    But we’ll wait to see what the polls show in the next few days!

  82. artboyusa says:

    Good recap, Exeter but I just don’t think a close tie will be good enough. I’ve watched some more of the debate now and it wasn’t quite as bad as it seemed at first but, even so, McCain needed to be Babe Ruth last night and instead, he was Bill Buckner.

  83. Exeter says:

    You’re right, artboy – McCain is no Ronald Reagan, and we’re going to drive ourselves to apoplexy every time he falls short of becoming “the gipper”. Rush and Laura Ingraham mention this almost every day: “McCain is who he is”. You want him to be more like Sarah Palin, and so do I – that would certainly ease our present anxieties over the polls – but he’s NOT Sarah Palin. In a strange way, Palin is the cause of our frustration – she raised our expectations at the convention, and now we’re disappointed that the bottom of the ticket is where all the strength and energy is. Wouldn’t you rather see Palin at the top, and McCain nowhere at all? I know I would. Unfortunately, we have to make whatever we can out of McCain’s campaign, and be thankful that at least he’s still standing.

  84. paulthowell says:

    I’m not so sure it was a win for Obmama. I didn’t watch all of it, but what I saw wasn’t so bad.

    First of all, the undecideds out there who believe that the economic crisis was Bushs’, or the Republicans’ fault, are really not undecided. They’ve been duped by the MSM. So all the time Obama spent chanting about “Bushs’ failed policies” was wasted.

    Second, Anyone who liked Obama because of his health care plan would probably do a double take, especially if they hadn’t heard about the possibility of being fined by the Feds for not insuring their kids. I thought McCain put a nice sharp point on that that Obama did not rebut. Americans would, on the other hand like the idea of getting money from the Feds to get the health care THEY want. We always were an individualistic sort.

    Third, anyone who believes that Obama would do a better job on foreign relations is also not undecided, so that is a non-issue.

    Finally, I think that bringing Obama’s radical background to light is a good strategy, as well as McCain’s reminders that he tends to be a moderate.

    It is very unlikely that any died-in-the-wool liberals are going to change their mind. I also hope to God that there aren’t any conservatives thinking of throwing in the towel. Our attitudes and prayers can affect this election!

    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

  85. 1sttofight says:

    Undecideds at this point are people who tend to wet themselves because they can not make up their mind as to go to the restroom or just enjoy that warm feeling…

    They are basicly too lazy to make a decision and should not be allowed to vote, as should no one who gets a gov check.

  86. texaspsue says:

    Funny video. Freudian slip? LOL


    H/T redstate

  87. JohnMG says:

    I was taken by something Obama said last night, vis-a-vis health care, something to the effect that under his health care plan citizens would be able to opt for the same kind of health care that congress has. Later he went on to comment on Social Security entitlements, etc. I have a suggestion for him. If he really wants to fix things, why doesn’t he and the rest of the government employees ditch their health care and retirement plans and live like REAL people live? If that were the case, you can bet that SS would be fully funded in short order.

    Obama is such an idiot, he assumes everyone is as snobbish as he.

  88. DEZ says:

    “You just made my evening, DEZ.”

    Great to hear that, now if somehow I could have an evening made.;-)

  89. JohnMG says:

    DEZ; …..”now if somehow I could have an evening made…..”

    Evening made? or Evening maid? ;-}

  90. DEZ says:

    OK, Maid.
    In one of those really short……Never mind!

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