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The Hive – The First Obama/McCain Debate

A place for enlightened commentary on the first Obama McCain “debate.”

Let’s hope Mr. McCain does a good job — for all our sakes.

This article was posted by Steve on Friday, September 26th, 2008. Comments are currently closed.

63 Responses to “The Hive – The First Obama/McCain Debate”

  1. Steve says:

    Well, it looks like there isn’t going to be a “foreign policy” debate.

    Mr. Lehrer’s “one question” about the bailout plan has now gone one for one third of the debate’s 90 minutes.

  2. notsoyoungjim says:

    McCain doing fine. Dumbo playing the smirky one.

  3. Steve says:

    I agree. Though McCain has missed some great opportunities.

    Such as: Mr. Obama wants the same people who gave us the current financial crisis to run our health care system.

  4. notsoyoungjim says:

    Dumbo sez Roosevelt bought homes and sold them and we made a lot of money. WTH?

    I can’t see how this supercilious bs is playing well with anyone other than his libtard base.

    McCain should call him Barack, Dumbo can’t return the courtesy of Sen Obama.

    Every time big mac gets going Lehrer cuts him off INCREDIBLE.

  5. Steve says:

    BHO always lies about why he opposed the war — way back when — on the floor of the Illinois Senate:

    What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

    http://tinyurl.com/4f8vgv

  6. Helena says:

    McCain also missed a golden opportunity when BHO said he would increase business taxes to keep business from fleeing overseas. Such as, “You would increase the cost of doing business here, to attract business? Good luck with that.”

    And Lehrer is so obviously partisan it’s sickening.

  7. Steve says:

    On September 11, 2008:

    “My first day in office, I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in and I will give them a new mission,” Barack Obama said in July. “That is to end this war.” — CBS News

    http://tinyurl.com/3otl6m

  8. notsoyoungjim says:

    Nailing dumbo on foreign policy–Dumbo needs a smoke bad.

  9. notsoyoungjim says:

    Dumbo just said we should take ’em out (Pahki stan) oh Big mac slam him good.

    Let’s attack our allies. SUUUURE

  10. Steve says:

    Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists even without local permission if warranted — an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive.

    Obama Wants To Send Troops Into Pakistan | Sweetness & Light
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ap-obama-might-send-troops-into-pakistan

    As for Pakistan, Obama said that if President Pervez Musharraf were to lose power in a coup, the United States similarly might have to consider military action in that country to destroy nuclear weapons it already possesses.

    Obama 2004: For Hitting Iran, Even Pakistan | Sweetness & Light
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-was-for-hitting-iran-against-gay-marriage

  11. Steve says:

    What Obama voted against:

    “(5) that the United States should designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, as established under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and initiated under Executive Order 13224”

  12. Steve says:

    Obama said “the Ukraine.”

    Ha ha.

  13. Kilmeny says:

    So we’re going to get tough on Russia but not on Iran?

  14. Steve says:

    McCain said (several times) “Ukraine.” (No “the.”)

  15. Kilmeny says:

    As Obama wanders off-topic into the bio-diesel fields….

  16. ErinP says:

    I must say I had really low expectations of McCain’s performance tonight, especially with Obama’s smirkiness being so irritating (and McCain’s tendency to over-respond to irritations!)
    I’ve actually been impressed so far…McCain’s hanging in there and slugging it out and holding his own (and his temper!) with a very irritating opponent.

  17. Kilmeny says:

    Nice answer to the Iraq question from McCain. Directly saying that we simply can’t do what Obama wants us to.

  18. Helena says:

    Boy, did Michelle look pissed as they left.

  19. notsoyoungjim says:

    This was a good debate–Dumbo came off as unctuous and rude talking over McCain. Even so he didn’t lay a glove on him. Of course the lefties will say he didn’t need to, after all the expectations lowering.

    Yup there’s Barnes saying all Dumbo had to do was hold his own.

  20. Sharps Rifle says:

    Barnes is an idiot. I was flipping back and forth between the debate and How the West Was Won…McCain impressed me, but Obimbo was rude, nasty, long-winded (used more words to say nothing than is common for a senator), and Lehrer was as biased as I expected.

    On the other hand, the buffalo stampede in How the West Was Won looked pretty dang good in letterbox…

  21. Kilmeny says:

    There goes Plouffe, overstating Obama’s performance. This was hardly a campaign changing moment for Obama.

  22. Rmy-mac-was-here says:

    My Judgement:
    Sen McCain won the debate tactically. Made all his points, and scored points on the economic question. Problem is this debate was suppossed to be on national security; Sen McCain’s strongest point. He should have been kicking the holy crap out of Sen Obama. Strategically, it becomes a win for Sen Obama bc he was suppossed to get his butt kicked but managed to score a few points of his own.
    Hopefully, Sen McCain will do better later.
    I really hope Gov Palin goes after Sen Biden and beats him. WIth all the Gaffs he has been making, maybe he will make a big one during the debate, and she can call him on it.

  23. Reality Bytes says:

    “Senator Obama. I know what the consequences of war are. I live them every day of my life. And, Senator, you’re policies of preventing those consequences in the future are no solutions for our country.”

  24. Reality Bytes says:

    Just thought I’d lend a little help. And now, back to Colonel’s Ferarri…

  25. 1republicanscientist says:

    Obama looked like he was about to throw up through the entire debate. I was trying to find this charisma factor all the left nuts are always talking about but was left feeling confused and empty over our countries next savior, BO. I still think he sounds like Yogi Bear, yet looks like BooBoo Buddy. Strange.

  26. Reality Bytes says:

    “God! I do love it so.”

    Colonel’s Ferrrari notwithstanding.

  27. Kilmeny says:

    Obama was just as I thought he’d be; vague on foreign policy, constantly trying to bring the subject back to domestic issues, his stronger point; smug, and impatient, like his colleagues before him (Gore huffing through Bush’s answers, anyone?). McCain could have done better, but he was good. McCain the winner here.

  28. Rmy-mac-was-here says:

    Sen McCain’s: The Presidential Seal Dig at Sen Obama was awesome. You could hear the audience gasp and murmur in the background.

  29. Reality Bytes says:

    Come On! We All Know All Know Who We Need For The Next President Of The United States!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtAHXJGEM2Q

    OK – so he’s a dead guy. But we got the next best thing. And that guy is John McCain. God Help Us!!!

  30. Noyzmakr says:

    I smell a landslide coming.

    McCain did well with a few missed opportunities, but overall a pretty decent job. Only one man on that stage looked presidential tonight.

    Here’s a clue…it wasn’t Lehrer.

    Oh, by the way. At least McCain didn’t have to look down and read the name of the soildier on the bracelet he was wearing. That was about the lamest attempt of one ups- man- ship I think I’ve ever witnessed from the messiah Obama. Idiot!

  31. Reality Bytes says:

    SG – We need to slow this down. Come on now. A little Barry White can do us all some goog right about now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXvHRnGe940

  32. Albertafriend says:

    That last part by Obama about his father writing all those letters–he is lying again. He included that in his Berlin speech too and I researched that point. Here is from Michael Barone:

    Michael Dobbs checked out Obama’s claims about his father’s American education after his speech to the black civil rights leaders in Selma in 2007.

    “In the late 1950s, there was no university in Kenya, and educational opportunities for Africans were limited. The British colonial government opposed (Tom) Mboya’s efforts to send talented young Kenyans to the United States for an education, arguing that there was a perfectly good university, Makerere College, in neighboring Uganda. The U.S. State Department supported the British and turned down Mboya’s requests for assistance.

    During his 1959 trip to the United States, the 29-year-old Mboya raised enough money for scholarships for 81 young Kenyans, including Obama Sr., with the help of the African-American Students Foundation. Records show that almost 8,000 individuals contributed. Early supporters included baseball star Jackie Robinson, who gave $4,000, and actors Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier.
    There was enormous excitement when the Britannia aircraft took off for New York with the future Kenyan elite on board. After a few weeks of orientation, the students were DISPATCHED to universities across the United States to study subjects that would help them govern Kenya after the departure of the British. Obama Sr. was interested in economics and WAS SENT to Hawaii, where he met, and later married, a Kansas native named Ann Dunham. Barack Jr. was born in August 1961.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032902031_2.html?nav=hcmodule

    So he was picked by Mboya, the students were DISPATCHED (again probably by Mboya) across the US and Obama Sr. was SENT to the University of Hawaii. It had nothing to do with the American Dream but a lot to do with a Kenyan SOCIALIST Dream!

    I do have to question one small point the Barone includes here–“where he met, and later married”. Although it is claimed in some articles that they were married and later divorced, people who have investigated this say there are no records of either happening and there are no witnesses of a marriage ever happening. Even if it had, it wouldn’t have been legal since Obama Sr. was already married in Kenya and the father of two children.

  33. Exeter says:

    McCain did pretty well. He was very clearly the foreign policy expert on stage. Obama, despite his lack of experience, didn’t do too bad. McCain’s strongest point was his knowledge of foreign affairs at his fingertips. Conversely, Obama seemed coached (which he was, of course), and as any college student knows, there’s a real difference between genuine knowledge and just cramming for an exam. Considering that he was WAY out of his depth, Obama managed to keep his head above water. I think it’s pretty clear that McCain won the debate, but it wasn’t a slam-dunk.

  34. Reality Bytes says:

    George S. Patton & Barry White! Who would have thought?!

  35. Sharps Rifle says:

    American Thinker scored it 65-35 McCain…

    Based on what I saw when I wasn’t flipping back and forth, it looked like McCain wiped the floor with Obimbo.

  36. Steve says:

    From the Weekly Standard:

    Kissinger Unhappy About Obama

    Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

    http://tinyurl.com/457xqv

  37. Steve says:

    “That last part by Obama about his father writing all those letters–he is lying again.”

    Every time Mr. Obama spoke in specifics it seemed to be a demonstrable lie.

  38. Exeter says:

    I especially liked when McCain clarified the Henry Kissenger issue – the one that put Palin in a bad light with her Katie Couric interview. Its too bad Sarah didn’t make the clarification herself, but it still exposes the “gotcha” tactic in Couric’s question.

  39. Exeter says:

    Anyone want to bet that the VP debate (2 Oct) will draw more viewers than any of the Presidential ones?

  40. PoliticalJules says:

    He should have been kicking the holy crap out of Sen Obama.

    I think I was watching the same debate as you and I though he did kick BO’s butt on national security. Obama was ruffled, distracted, kept changing the subject and his inexperience was blaringly apparent.

  41. Noyzmakr says:

    No bet, but I think it’s going to be a slam dunk…I’m just not sure for who yet. If McCain let’s Sarah pull her on trigger, she just may shut Biden up…and that’s doing something.

  42. notsoyoungjim says:

    Fox showing the “I got a bracelet too” moment from Dumbo. Dumbo had to look down at the bracelet to remember the soldiers name. “uh, err”

    ROFL

  43. PoliticalJules says:

    everytime Obama said he agreed with McCain it was a ringing endorsement for McCain

  44. pinandpuller says:

    Does black liberation theology believe in holy crap?

  45. David says:

    I have to say that was about the lamest excuse for a debate I have ever seen. Why exactly can’t we have presidential candidates willing to talk tough. McCain should have let loose a bit of that famous temper, socialism deserves nothing less than our outright hatred. Obama should have been man enough to actually call McCain a liar instead of trying to “correct the record” or whining that “now John, that just not true.”
    How come the only people on these two tickets with Balls are the VP candidates?

  46. Exeter says:

    NSYJ – the “bracelet” moment should resonate with the voters, but I doubt the MSM will even point it out. It’s a good thing that FOX has a large audience.

  47. Exeter says:

    David – “I have to say that was about the lamest excuse for a debate I have ever seen.”

    You obviously never saw the Clinton-Dole debates.

    Noyz – “If McCain let’s Sarah pull her on [sic] trigger, she just may shut Biden up…”
    I’m really hoping that the McCain Campaign realizes how high-profile that debate is going to be. If Palin is restricted to mouthing McCainisms, I’ll be really disappointed.

  48. PoliticalJules says:

    So here’s an oldie but a goodie…

    How can you tell if Obama is lying?

    (all together now…)

    His lips are moving!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    it’s just getting too easy now.

  49. DGA says:

    Thinking here that B. hussein obama pissed off all those that threw money at him; the far left radicals. He moved so far right, away from his true roots that he had to have enraged the code pinks, the moveon.orgs, etc, with the statement about going into all these small countries and chasing down terrorists. Wait a minute, is this war he’s talking about engaging in? Every far left candidate starts out that way, then as the actual election gets closer they realise that to actually get elected they have to become the person the majority wants, and that’s not a whacko radical leftist. Hoping he lost votes tonight by doing that. And what about all the townhall type speeches he’s done over the last year or more, all that stuff about getting out of Iraq as soon as I’m elected, how do all those people feel now that their messiah has flipped over to the other side to try to win a debate?

  50. PoliticalJules says:

    Exeter said: “If Palin is restricted to mouthing McCainisms, I’ll be really disappointed.”

    The truth is most progressives will be disappointed no matter what she says. The fact that they will hate a candidate simply because they are a republican infuriates me. Why don’t you grow a set of balls, and make a decision based on your own brain?!

  51. Exeter says:

    This just in from MSNBC – “no clear winner”. But the on-line poll says that Obama won, 52-34% (6.2% tied, 8% not sure). They don’t bother to explain why only one statistic has a decimal. I sometimes wonder: are we as delusional in defeat as the moonbats?

  52. PoliticalJules says:

    Exeter said, “But the on-line poll says that Obama won, 52-34%”

    This was the online poll from MSNBC? If so, this means that 34% of the Democratic supporters think that McCain won. Because the Fox news poll said somewhere around 84% to 13% McCain won (which are republican voters)

    Looks good to meeeee…Whooo Hoooo!

  53. societyis2blame says:

    The one thing I can say for McCain is that, more than ever after tonight, I know who Putin is rooting for. McCain saved his temper for the enemy and appropriately dismissed Obama as a lightweight. If he doesn’t win the election, he should at least be appointed ambassador to Russia. Feelin’ us Vlad ? Thank God someone isn’t fooled.

  54. Media_man says:

    I wonder which debate Krauthammer watched, because he thought Obama won due to the fact that he thought it was a draw & foreign policy being McCain’s edge, a tie means Obama won.

    I thought McCain won on substance, but I’m partisan. I see the InTrade price on RealClearPolitcs didn’t move (still 55-42) so I suppose it was a draw.

    Obama seemed tentative & unsure. I don’t see how anyone could feel good about him with his finger on the trigger. He came across as the lightweight he is.

  55. Anonymoose says:

    It’s really interesting seeing how the “polls” are coming out on who won the election. Most mainstream media is saying Obama won, Drudge and Fox say McCain won, and so on. However, even CNN said that there were more Dems watching the debate and that likely threw their numbers. It looks like the real fireworks is going to be Biden-Palin, which is something an anomaly in elections as people have to keep being reminded that Palin is the vice nominee.

    Personally I’m just going to sit out the debates as it’s all performance piece anyways.

  56. Exeter says:

    MM – “Krauthammer…thought Obama won due to the fact that he thought it was a draw & foreign policy being McCain’s edge, a tie means Obama won.”

    Isn’t that the most assinine argument? It’s like the talking heads are spotting Obama 10 points because he’s at a disadvantage. Are they going to “spot him 10” when he goes up against Ahmadinejad? Putin? Chavez? Foreign policy isn’t basketball, nimrods!

    Anon – “the “polls” are coming out on who won the election”
    I think this is just a reflection of American competitiveness. Debates aren’t supposed to be about ‘winning’ and ‘losing’ – they’re for demonstrating the contrasts of the candidates’ positions. Somehow, we’ve turned them into jousting tournaments.

  57. Presidential Debate – Perception is Reality x 5

    ~ “John; John; John; John; John; Senator McCain.”

    ~ “Obama is more compassionate than that old antagonistic guy who can’t type on the internet.”

    ~ “The audience consists of more than just Jim Lehrer, John.”

    ~ “Dr. Kissinger actually did say training wheels have no place in a dangerous world.”

    ~ “…spinspinspinspinspin Our guy won! spinspinspinspinspin…)”

    ~ “It comes down to one guy cloaks a marxist political philosophy for guidance, and the other guy doesn’t. The lesser evil is chosen. The rubicon is crossed. My vote is cast.”

    Of course that was five. I blame gub’mint schools.

  58. My one response for McCain-

    When BHO touted his superior judgement by opposing the invasion of Iraq. He said that he did not believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

    MCCain: BHO, you say that you opposed the invasion of Iraq becuase you did not believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destuction. At that time, the English, the French, the Germans, the Russians and most other european nations believed that he had them. Both Hillary and Bill Clinton believed he had them. George Tenant the the director of the CIA appointed by Clinton believed he had them.

    On what information did you, as a state senator in Illinois, with no security briefings, base your belief that he did not have them?

    BHO: “This is the type of political gotcha that people are tired of…”

    McCain: “I respectfully submit that you have been misleading people in this regard. I have been told that there is a ‘truth squad” out there looking for lies and MISLEADING statements, so you should be careful.

    I believe you opposed the invasion of Iraq for the same reason that Black Congressional Caucus, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton opposed it. They opposted it because they felt that America’s resources could be better spent at home. This is a valid argument but it is disingeneous and misleading for you to claim superior judgement in this matter when you had no access to the relevent information.

  59. PoliticalJules says:

    To all of the BO supporters,

    Be sure to invite the Clinton’s to your post election party. I am sure you’d like to thank them for helping your campaign.

  60. artboyusa says:

    I didn’t like the way Obama kept patronizing McCain by calling him “John” all the time. He sounded like the nurse in a care home: “Time for your medication, John”. “Here’s your slippers, John. They were under the bed”. “Why do you keep running away, John? You know you shouldn’t do that, John”.

    Overall, I thought the debate was lousy. Both kept to their usual soundbites and both sounded like they were talking to the stupidest person in the room. McCain seemed tired and he was almost incoherent sometimes. He let Obama get away with all sorts of stuff he could have caught him on. At one point Lehrer (unless I misheard it) said that one of them was going to be President and “rule” the country – what a missed opportunity to say something about how “the President doesn’t rule the country, the President serves the country and my administration will serve etc etc.”

    There was no exchange or testing of ideas, the language and presentation were pedestrian and all it boiled down to was two guys trying not to mess up in public. Lincoln-Douglas it wasn’t.

    On the plus side McCain only said “my friends” once that I noticed, which is about a 1000% reduction in his normal “my friends” usage.

  61. dulcimergrl says:

    I didn’t watch the “debate”. I’ve never watched any of the so-called presidential “debates”. I don’t think they add anything my knowledge of either candidate, and no one actually “wins”.

    I’m sure I know why the “President rules the country” comment wasn’t called on in the debate: Obama actually believes he will “rule”, not “govern” or “serve”. And if McCain was tired, it prolly just slipped past him.

  62. artboyusa says:

    “Barack Backstage” an ONLY IN AMERICA: the Legend of Barack Obama Debate Special! (I actually wrote this last Thursday and kept it back just to see how closely reality would mirror fiction. Pretty closely, as it turned out).

    “Good luck, Sire! Good luck, Mr President!” called the last of Barack’s personal entourage (make up person, hair person, clean shirt person, dental hygienist, vocal coach, shoe shiner, wardrobe lady, manicurist, exfoliator, breath checker, perspiration specialist, food taster for when Hillary’s around) as they crowded out of the Green Room.

    “You can do it! Yes, we can!” they chanted meaninglessly.

    “Thank you, thank you” grinned the candidate 80% of Kenyans would like to see elected our president. “Yes, you can!”

    As the door clicked shut Barack’s smile vanished and he slumped down into his chair. A long sigh escaped his lips.

    “Well, Barry” he thought “this is it. The big one…show time. Win this debate and you’re the top dog: the big cheese, the head honcho, Numero Uno, Big Daddy, the Boss of Bosses, el Jefe, il Duce, der Fuhrer, the Brown Eagle…lose tonight and you’re on a one way ticket to Al Goresville”.

    He shivered a little at the thought and as so often in times of crisis, he turned to the consolation of prayer:

    “In the name of Allah, the most merciful and compassionate…no, no, NO! Not that god –the other one!” he reminded himself.

    “Sweet Lord Jesus, meek and mild, make strong my arm and make sharp my sword that I may smite thine enemies and the enemies of me, thy glamorous and attractive servant Barack, that I may deliver my positive message of hope and change to these primitive Americans and make light their darkness, or vice versa. Thanks for listening, God, and have a great day”.

    Fortified by his faiths, Barack’s agile mind turned to the question of tactics:

    “Try not to go ‘uh’ and ‘er’ all the time. Use my John F Kennedy Martin Luther Lincoln voice” he thought. “Not my Dave Chapelle voice. Keep it simple and keep it easy so those bitter, gun hugging, honkie racists can follow along”.

    He ticked the key points of his message of hope off on his fingers:

    “One: Drive the baby killing crusaders from Iraq –no, no, NO! Bring our heroic men and women home swiftly and safely – that’s the ticket. ’Operation Timely Flight’ I’ll call it.
    Two: Universal healthcare for all Americans, dead or alive.
    Three-o: Tax cuts for 95% of Americans, including the 40% who don’t pay any taxes.
    Quatro: McCain=Bush, McCain=Bush, McCain=Bush.
    Five-o: Energy independence but without actually having to drill or refine any of that nasty, smelly, sticky oil. And no nukes. They may be good enough for those Frenchies but for us, no way. Use the power of wishful thinking to provide new planet-friendly energy sources.
    Six-o: McCain=Bush, McCain=Bush, McCain=Bush”.

    “That ought to hold ‘em” thought President Obama. “Work up to a big emotional finish: hopes and dreams, personal journey, healing wounds of undeserving, criminal nation, atonement for past wrongs, you owe me this…” Barack stood before the gleaming mirror and straightened his back. “And so tonight I say to you, the people of Earth – the black and the white, the tall and the small, men, women and those who are a little of both, that America could be a great country” he orated. “All it needs is… me!”

    Barack grinned back at himself. “Pretty good” he muttered. “Prettee darn good. It’s in the bag, by Allah – in the freakin’ bag!”


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