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The Hive – The Palin Vs Biden/Ifill Debate

A place for stinging commentary on the Sarah Palin versus Joe Biden and Gwen Ifill “debate.”

Let’s hope Sarah is Sarah — and Joe is Joe!

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Thursday, October 2nd, 2008. Comments are currently closed.

82 Responses to “The Hive – The Palin Vs Biden/Ifill Debate”

  1. U NO HOO

    Sometimes we just know something is true. Sarah Palin for President. Remember FDR was governor for ONE term. And he was only 51 years old. Not that I think FDR did a good job, actually he really caused the mayhem from ’32 thru WWII, IMNSHO, but unlike Clinton who was governor for 2 or 3 terms, FDR wasn’t impeached. Liberals and some Democrats should squirm back under their rocks.

    Enlightened or not that’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

  2. JohnMG

    U NO HOO; …..”Sometimes we just know something is true…..”

    The Dems know it too, that’s why they have gone gonzo trying to destroy her. I think a 7-point McCain victory would settle things down a bit, though.

  3. Liberals Make Great Speedbumps

    I’ve got my DVR set up to record it as I’m on my way to work. I’m pulling for you Sarah, give ‘em hell.

  4. artpa

    How about we all take a moment to pray for Sarah, for peace, confidence, and wisdom… and that all the arrows fired against her are knocked down and broken.

  5. wirenut

    Artpa, I would wish the same, but as we deal with evil, ruthlessness and greed . We need fire and powder to cleanse the the trash that now acts as “our” government . WE,THE PEOPLE, must survive .
    Break their arrows and turn them back as spears . Too many have given too much to let this deal go down ! My prayers are with Gov. Palin .

  6. Anonymoose

    Good God, Biden is just a rambling blowhard…..

    I’m going to turn it off, I hope Palin pulls off a winner, but I can’t stand listening to Biden ramble.

  7. Rmy-mac-was-here

    Watching on CNN what the heck is that stupid bar at the bottom? Edit: Oh, ok cnn independent !?! group in OHIO…. I doubt that.

  8. Curmudgeon

    He’s more articulate and less annoying (also less palpably dishonest) than Obama… but I’m with you, Anonymoose, I’m having a hard time listening to him.

  9. nicotusc15

    I hope I’m wrong, but I’m getting the feeling she’s tanking…:(

  10. nicotusc15

    …on the other hand, Joe IS articulate, and very CLEAN.

  11. Kilmeny

    Why won’t they just let her be herself?

  12. Curmudgeon

    Is it a bad sign when I like BOTH vice presidential candidates better than the presidential ones?

  13. Clarissimus

    Yeah, I wish I could see Sarah Palin debate Joe Biden, not John McCain in the form of Sarah Palin debate Joe Biden.

  14. Rmy-mac-was-here

    Cur… your not the only one.

  15. notsoyoungjim

    She’s doing great–she looks great and he’s playing a great pompous ass.

  16. nicotusc15

    God he’s hammering on McCain, and she’s saying NOTHING in defense. She just skips backward two subjects.

  17. notsoyoungjim

    Biden has got flop sweat–what debate are you watching nic?

  18. nicotusc15

    I know. I know. Maybe it’s stage-mom syndrome. I just don’t feel like she’s coming across how she needs to.

  19. Curmudgeon

    Stage-mom syndrome? I know. I’m feeling the same way, but she is doing fine.

  20. 1sttofight

    I wish Sarah would tell doofus Biden tha tBush is not running for reelection.

  21. sheehanjihad

    she is holding her own so far…..she’s also been cut off twice too, blowhard hasnt.

  22. Colonel1961

    I think they are both responding well and are being rather dignified. I also think that Ms. Ifill is being fair enough…

    (And, no, this is not sarcasm.)

  23. notsoyoungjim

    What is a bosniac?

  24. nicotusc15

    Yes. Ifill is fair. btw, aren’t people from Bosnia called Bosnians? Biden just called them Bosniacs.

  25. nicotusc15

    She’s a Bosniac….a Bosniac, and she’s dancin’ like the Serbians danced before!

  26. Steve

    Isn’t it odd how many questions we have had about foreign policy? I guess it was thought that was Mr. Biden’s strong suit.

  27. Kilmeny

    Bosniac. That just caused me to snort tea everywhere.

  28. nicotusc15

    You missed the economic discussion. She stated McCains, Biden said it was dumb and Obama’s was better, Ifill agreed and they moved on. What more did you expect?

  29. Steve

    BTW, back to the question of homosexual marriages:

    “As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage. Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act DOMA a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. ” — BHO

    Obama Is Pushing Harder For Homosexuals | Sweetness & Light
    http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....ay-backing

  30. 1sttofight

    There you go again, Joe. OooAhh.

  31. notsoyoungjim

    I get the impression Biden was going to go easy on her, and after she landed a few, he got hacked off (note the smirks, eye rubbing, and neck scratching).

    I’m sure the lefty’s will never admit it. But she smacked him good. Much cooler and more interesting. All the Biden wonky crap is so old.

    Next they’ll be saying nobody cares about Veep debates.

  32. 1republicanscientist

    biden is just simply an old lemon car salesman. his polyester smell transcends the TV.

  33. 1republicanscientist

    I am tired of biden acting like he is such a champion of the dumb ol’ middle class. he is a condescending jackass.

  34. Kilmeny

    Now she’s cooking.

  35. Perdido

    She’s getting a lot more “face time”. Thank God.

  36. thetimeisright

    I think Sara Palin has just showed us all that she is the right pick for the R. VP An Sara An John are excatly what this Country needs.

  37. Rmy-mac-was-here

    “There is only one american in this race that has fought for you!” OOOOH SMACK.

  38. 1republicanscientist

    he just will not tell us what he believes. palin knocked the starch out of his rickety old sails the past 20 minutes. he is negative, she is positive.

  39. wardmama4

    To me Biden keeps bringing up (positives) stuff that happened 20 or 30 years ago and in response to comments made by Palin – says I beg to differ but McCain is lying. It just got so old to listen to the DNC talking points over and over again.

    And to beat into the ground the back and forth as to who caused this economic ‘crisis’ – was just pointless and useless.

    And I’ve turned it off, because I can’t take it anymore. Gov Palin did stoke some points with her references to where she came from and the early years of her marriage – Biden comes back with his trips to Home Depot – talk about snorting drink out your nose – what a load of bs. He also mentioned going to his local gas station – and talking with Joe Blow – in what decade did that happen?

    I guess I will go turn it back on in the bedroom – at the very least it could put me to sleep.

  40. Perdido

    I wish Sarah would have pointed out that when the Gov’t gives a tax break to Corporations (Gas Companies) they are actually giving a tax break to the country as a whole. Especially the lower end.

    Corporations don’t PAY taxes they COLLECT taxes.

  41. Perdido

    So, already, Brokaw saying this wasn’t an important debate… of course not, tho this afternoon it was the most important debate in 32 years.

    And another commentator says we wont be talking about this in two days….uh huh. Because their guy got his ass kicked. !!

    It was great. I’m juiced.

  42. nicotusc15

    OK. I stepped outside, had a very Republican-like cigarette, came back in and heard Mort Kondrake say she won the debate. I’m starting to feel better now.

  43. Rmy-mac-was-here

    I thought she was doing pretty good, holding her own and getting some good hits against Sen’s Biden and OBama. Then suddenly I could have swore I heard her get set up for a constitution question on the powers of the VP. Suddenly, her answer I believe shot herself in the foot. The VP is NOT perse a member of the Legislative branch. They preside over the Senate, and cast tie breaking votes ONLY.
    Other than that gaff she did fairly well.

  44. notsoyoungjim

    You’ll notice the “fair and impartial” Gwen Ifill gave Biden the first and last word. This woman should have bowed out–and this nonsense about both sides “wanting to change to tone” (after Palin has been viciously attacked for weeks) is the most laughable question of the night.

    Of course the lefty’s will ignore.

  45. Media_man

    This woman is amazing. She looked like toast after the Couric disaster & now it’s just a faded memory.

    She kicked ass!

    The ball is back in McCain’s hands now. He’s gotta climb back into this. Maybe he’s not dead quite yet.

  46. Opinionated Jackass

    I thought Sarah did a phenomenal job. I agree with Rmy about the constitutional VP question-Gov. Palin’s answer was a bit iffy. Otherwise, I thought she did great. I couldn’t help notice Biden’s eyelids. I think he should sue his plastic surgeon. Also, I thought the moderator was fair.

  47. sheehanjihad

    she came across pretty damn good. Her gaffes were not that big a deal, unless you are a journalist, a commentator, or work in the media, then they were damnable and cost her dearly. She was fresh. She didnt look like a tired old politician with the same old talking points as Biden came across as.

    She did the job she went there for. Advocating McCain. Biden did the job he was sent there for. Showing the public what you get when term limits arent in effect.

    She did fine. To us. She will be crucified tomorrow on every news outlet and talk show in existence. They are fearing her now more than ever. People like her. It rubs off.

  48. Reality Bytes

    Boys n Girls! Did Sarah do what I said she needed to do?

    “I wasn’t brought in to make John McCain seem credible on foreign policy, military affairs, the inner workings of Washington like my opponent was!”

    “If you want to know how to balance a payroll with 20,000 people on it, then I’m your guy!”

    “If you want to know how to get Washington out of the way of the people, then I’m your guy!”

    “If you want to know how oil gas gets pumped out of the ground, put into a pipe and delivered 1,500 miles away to a ship that then delivers it to Asia, then I’m your guy!”

    “If you want to know how to win a war, negotiate wtih friends and deal with our enemies, THEN ASK JOHN McCAIN!”

    “Next Question! And make it a good one this time!”

  49. Reality Bytes

    Ladies and Gentlemen. Our legacy brought to you by those who went before us:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDecLiA_Qbw

  50. Eagle334th

    AOL homepage links as of 11:20 EST:

    http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....debate.jpg

    Which ones are anti-“establishment” and which ones are pro-“change”…

    Ridiculous.

  51. rocketman

    “He also mentioned going to his local gas station – and talking with Joe Blow ”
    I wonder if Joe spoke english or “Indian”.

  52. Reality Bytes

    Ladies and Gentlemen. Our peers who live among us:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    “Oh God! I do love it so!” – General George S, Patton – may he rest in eternal the eternal peace of victory.

  53. EvaTheFrisbeeDog

    She purposely did not mention Fan/Fred so as not to poison the water for tomorrow’s House vote….Country First…..wait until the bill becomes law…Barney Frank’s on suicide watch after his ass whoopin’ on O’Reilly tonight.

  54. notsoyoungjim

    Wonder what Kathleen Parker thinks? Oh I forgot, she’s getting “death threats”

    pulling salman rushdie, Ms. Parker could not be reached.

  55. Eagle334th

    Sorry my AOL image didn’t come through so clearly, earlier.. I’m going to try one more time..

    http://smg.photobucket.com/alb.....debate.jpg

    If that doesn’t work, I can make it work, later. ;)

    Palin did very well. She didn’t do great, but Biden did even worse, in my opinion. I just know that SG will uncover the many lies that Biden spewed, versus the refreshing truths that Palin was discussing. ;)

    I’d, seriously, give a B to both of them. One knows the answers Washington wants, and the other one knows how to work Washington from the inside-out.

    Hell, I just want Charles Krauthammer to tell me how to vote…

  56. Eagle334th

    Where is Charles K?

  57. Anonymoose

    So now which of the polls about who “won” do we trust? The one at Drudge that has 72% for Palin with 112,000 votes, or the one at CBS that took 473 uncommitted voters and said 46% of them thought Biden won?

  58. Reality Bytes

    OK – Just a thought. I’m thinkin’ Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, Grant, TR, FDR, Harry, Ike, JFK and Reagan didn’t give a damn who the hell you spooned with. (so long as it wasn’t with a picnic table but that’s another story).

    You want to vote for a couple of folks that’s with your family’s daily needs? That’s McCain Palin. You wanna vote for a couple of folks that not only believe we need to support people fighting for their own right to liberty in Iraq, the middle east or any where where people strive to be free? That’s McCain Palin. You wanna be part of a family that has brought into this world life that others would have taken out, or a life that others would have allowed to wither away in a foreign land unable to care for herself and nuture into a person who can today call herself a proud and willing American of These Unites States of American. That’s The McCain & Palin Families. They are the same as We! We are The Same as Them! I

    “Comin’ Honey!”

  59. notsoyoungjim

    “The VP is NOT perse a member of the Legislative branch. They preside over the Senate, and cast tie breaking votes ONLY.”

    Rove on saying that Biden is wrong here. That Veep is considered part of the legislative branch. The Constitution says the vice president is always president of the Senate and legal scholars say (s)he has the right to preside at any time.

    In any case–seems like the smallest of nits to argue this point.

    All week the lefties (and the execrable Kathleen Parker) said this was the end of the campaign for Big Mac tonite. Now she’s a talented debater but say it ain’t so joe wins on points.

    yeah lefty talking points.

  60. texaspsue

    Baracuda! Way to go Sarah! I think she did an exceptional job in the Debate tonight. (Okay, I may be a little biased.) I especially love her closing statement. It was about Freedom, baby.

    The MSM wanted Palin to look like “the uninformed little women” or a deer in the headlights. I’m glad that she held her own and disappointed them. Gee, how will they spin this tomorrow?

    Joe Biden DID make some mistakes. Ace of Spades has a list of 14 lies that he told during the Debate.

    LOL notsoyoungjim, about Kathleen Parker. I would like to add: eat your heart out Ms. Parker, you were wrong.

    nicotusc15, LOL….please, you have to give warnings with your humor. I have to clean my monitor now. :-)

  61. 1sttofight

    Fox phone in poll. (text message)

    Biden——–11%

    Palin——–87%

    I was hopeing the Barracuda would show up tonight and she did. She ripped Biden up one side and down the other.

  62. BillK

    Still too restrained.

    I know Ifill didn’t give her any time to respond to Biden’s inane lies, but the format seemed to be:

    1) Ask Palin question
    2) Allow Biden to respond dumping data or seemingly noteworthy facts
    3) Next question

    At the very least a response to Biden’s “McCain cut funding for the troops!” statement was needed and was missing.

    Quite frankly, I think Brokaw was right in some ways; Palin supporters were pleased, Biden supporters were pleased, and neither changed anyone’s minds on anything.

    Palin didn’t screw up and Biden didn’t turn into a raving maniac.

  63. MrPurple

    Sarah absolutely destroyed Biden.

    His monotone voice and his newly botoxed forehead reminded me of a duller version of John Kerry or Al Gore.

    Since he himself attacked Obama during the Dem debates for meeting with Ahmadjihad without preconditions it seems he knowingly lied about Obama’s position of meeting the tiny terrorist.

    I burst out in laughter when he claimed he was ‘taken out of context’ on opposing clean coal. If any of you have seen that video he grabs that girl by the shoulders, looks her directly in the eye and says ‘no coal plants here in America’.

    How many times have we heard this ‘taken out of context’ claim from the Dems this election cycle. Rev Wright says ‘God Damn America’ and we took him out of context. Barack Hussein says ‘my muslim faith’ and we took him out of context.

    Lyin’ Joe Biden now knows what a moose feels like. Palin shot him dead in the heart and gutted him on the spot.

  64. artboyusa

    Damn this five hour time difference! The debate began at 2am UK time, so I only caught about half an hour of the Fox rerun this morning but Palin looked like she was doing just fine (Biden was better than I expected, to be fair). She needs not to talk so fast but otherwise, she did good and McCain still has a campaign, which he wouldn’t if she’d tanked.

  65. Exeter

    Rmy and NSYJ – the larger issue about VP powers in the Senate is this:

    The definition of ‘preside’ –
    1. to occupy the place of authority or control, as in an assembly or meeting; act as president or chairperson.
    2. to exercise management or control (usually fol. by over): “The lawyer presided over the estate”.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/preside

    Now, the VP only casts a vote to break a tie – but as ‘President of the Senate’, that’s not the extent of his/her authority.

    What’s more significant is Biden’s woeful ignorance in this regard. He properly identified Article I as that which defines the VP’s role in the Senate; but he went on to say that this article defines the Executive branch, by which he asserted that the VP is not part of the Legislature. Problem is, Article I defines the Legislative branch, not the Executive (that’s Article II). This, along with his laundry list of rights in the Constitution – gay or otherwise – is surprising (to say the least!) to hear from anyone who’s entire career has been in legislation.

  66. 1sttofight

    Exeter, are you saying that if elected, Sarahcuda could take over the Senate and make Dingy Harry sit in the corner? Kool…

  67. Exeter

    1st – it makes the imagination wander, doesn’t it? Most VPs do little or nothing in the Senate (or anything else), and usually let the pres pro tem handle it. Palin doesn’t strike me as the kind of politician who would shirk from the duty, however.

  68. Rmy-mac-was-here

    Ex, I agree, as VP I think she would actually be procative in running the Senate. She is used to governing and as a result of her knowing the usage of a line Item veto device that Alaska Executive has she could be inclined to act as a communication link streamlining compromise between the Senate vs President. As top dog I dont think a President McCain would favor a lot of earmarks, as a proactive VP she could point out to the Senate as a whole likely bad lines on bills for compromise and thus prevent vetos from having to occur.

  69. U NO HOO

    More nit picking:

    The VP and its duties are mentioned in Article I.

    Later in Article II the VP is mentioned with no duties except to stand by. Executive duties of the VP would be at the discretion of the POTUS. Think of the VP as a Senate liaison to the White House.

    Reasonable people can conclude the VP is part of the legislature and first in line of succession, before the speaker of the house, also a member of the legislature.

    Grist for the mill and to stand up for Sarah.

    She let me down when she got into global warning and cap and trade. Cap and trade, that’s baseball hats and bubble gum cards.

  70. Lipstick on a PIAPS

    A record setting VP debate!! 70,000,000 people tuned in tonight to watch Joe Biden?!?! ROFLMAO Hokey mom 70,000,000 and Barak bin Biden 0! Although I thought Joe played it smart with Palin by playing nice, he KNEW it would have blown the election if he peed off the ladies!! Poor Barak, he used to get this adoration from the public now it’s going Palin!! Election is over folks go back to bed nothing to see here!! LMAO

  71. Liberals Make Great Speedbumps

    Gov. Palin did a fine job. Both made minor verbal gaffes, Biden a major one regarding the VP position IMO, Gov. Palin whiffed on the “Achilles Heel” question IMO. I didn’t see any signs of bias from Gwen Ifill, I thought she was professional. Put simply, I think Gov. Palin proved her competence, likely changed some minds and put some fire back into McCains’ campaign.

  72. texaspsue

    Gov. Palin’s closing statement says it all….

    Closing statement from Governor Palin:

    “I want to assure you, John McCain and I are going to fight for America. We’re going to fight for the middle class families like mine. We also have to fight for our freedom.” She quoted Ronald Reagan saying “We are just one generation away from extinction.” She says “there is only one man in this race who has every really fought for you, and that’s Senator John McCain.”

  73. BillK

    Who’s the “we?”

    Palin is willing to fight.

    McCain? Not so much so.

  74. Liberals Make Great Speedbumps

    One thing that I forgot to comment on, did anyone else notice how Gov. Palins’ mic was live both before and after the debate? Bidens’ was live also but at an almost inaudible level. Think maybe they were hoping to get some “unfortunate” off the cuff remark? Maybe I’m just paranoid.

    Bidens’ “Bosniacs” comment was pretty funny also.

  75. MrPurple

    LMGSB, perhaps it was just that Plain speaks more clearly and having actual inflection in your voice makes you easier to listen to.

    As for Ifill – I think she was effectively neutered from being aggressively biased due to the massive outpouring of claims of bias. I tried for hours to get thru to the Debate Commission and was succesful only once. Their phone lines were swamped. Their voice mail was overloaded.

    Let me ask you this, though. Why didn’t Ifill have a question related to energy? Palin had to force her comments in on that one – and it is obviously one of her strengths and a Biden weakness. Not a word from Ifill.

    Also not a word on abortion to the first Republican female VP? This isn’t generally a ‘conservative advantage’ topic – but with Palin and Obama that all changes.

    Obama has supported what basically amounts to an infanticide bill (you may disagree on that description – my mind has been made up about it). Palin just chose ‘life’ and delivered a Down’s Syndrome child (God bless Sarah, Todd and Trig). Advantage: Sarah.

    Sarah also has used this topic extremely effectively in debates in Alaska.

    When asked what she would do if one of her teenage daughters became pregnant Sarah replied “I would choose life. And I am confident you will be asking my opponents these same scenarios?”

    OUCH! Sarah bites! You think Ifill wanted any part of that type of answer?

    I think there was definitely some subtle bias there in the selection of questions.

    No gun questions either. The questions largely played to Biden’s strengths – not Sarah’s.

    ..and she still rocked his world.

  76. Liberals Make Great Speedbumps

    Mr. Purple,

    I think she did a good job and I can see what you’re saying about the choice of questions. Personally I’m not so sure that it was intentional but I certainly can’t prove that it wasn’t. I agree with you 100% that Obama did vote for an infanticide bill. There is no other way to describe it. Regarding the matter of abortion, I think that everyone knows where both candidates stand on that matter already so what’s the point in asking what they think?

    Honestly, I’m not sure how many truly undecided voters there are left out there at this point. We’re just about down to the wire and I pretty much believe that whatever is going to happen is going to happen regardless of the debates.

  77. 1sttofight

    Any chance that Sarahcuda could pinch-debate for McCain in the remaining Pres. debates?

    I honestly believe Bambi would wet his pants if she walked out on the stage instead of McCain.

  78. texaspsue

    That would be hilarious 1st. Sarahcuda vs Bambi. Boy howdy, I bet that would bump the viewership up to about 100 million. What a display that would be. ( If only.)

  79. MrPurple

    I would love to see it 1st.

    That really is the debate all Americans want to see.

    Perhaps in 2012 – when Obama is Hillary’s choice for VP.

    :-)

  80. wardmama4

    Hey I finally caught more of the debate – I can’t watch/listen to Sen Biden at all. What is with his forhead – it did not move at all. I am beginning to think that these losers get botox so that they can’t show emotion – thus when they are scamming (I wanted to use a nastier word, but it is Sunday) America – we won’t see the glee on their faces.

    I also caught on Fox & Friends clips of SNL on the debates – I must say – excepting that one slam on NYTs that they used a slimy incest ref – SNL actually seems to be doing a good job of slamming them all – which I do support – Queen Latifah was good as Ifill hawking her book.

    1st – I would love for Gov Palin to debate Sen Obama – and yes I bet he would scream racism before a single word was uttered – his way of ‘protesting’ and being a good ‘activist’. And yes, it would be like the days of FDR – suddenly the msm would be in good, close face shots to avoid looking at the growing wet spot and puddle around the Master of the Universe wanna be.

  81. Helena

    Biden has had everything done to him that modern plastic surgery can do – teeth bleached (or maybe veneered – they’re mighty even), hair plugs, face lift. He’ll have his eyes done next, the face lift stretched them so tight he looks positively Chinese. That forehead ain’t movin nowhere – it’s stapled in place.




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