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The Hive – Your ‘Internal Polling’ Says?

What do we think awaits us next Tuesday?

Of course, as usual, this thread is open to other topics.

This article was posted by Steve on Saturday, November 1st, 2008. Comments are currently closed.

29 Responses to “The Hive – Your ‘Internal Polling’ Says?”

  1. Reality Bytes says:

    Beautiful Mourning

    Eulogy for My Father

    November 3, 2008

    There was a time in our town that when someone passed away, the phone would ring at our house.

    “Ray, it’s Fred.”

    “How are ya, Fred.”

    “Listen, Ray, Jerry passed away last night, would you mind sayin’ a few words.”

    “Sure, I’d be happy to.”

    This happened when ever some one passed on & each & every time, the request was gladly accepted.

    While pulling things together this week, I came upon a file labeled Eulogies. I stopped counting after 12. Certainly Ray deserves one of his own eloquent memorials. Wouldn’t that be nice?

    Due to a scheduling conflict… Ray could not be with us today. However, if he were, you’d be in for a great one. I have faith that the Good Lord will let him have the microphone every once in a while. He’d love that.

    So, as we say in the LaCour family, since “the apple – this apple – didn’t fall far from the horse.” I guess, I’m it.

    Those of you here today, if you knew my Dad, chances knew he liked you. Fact is, my father loved everybody! Even some he wasn’t too crazy about. Still there was this something that made you feel that he was OK with you…that he loved you.

    The other thing about your friend, our father, Mom’s husband was that he lived by a simple rule…And that is:

    Give more than you get.

    • Whether it was providing comfort to a family who lost a loved one with a prepared word,

    • Or, fighting for veterans’ dignity & their rights,

    • Raising funds for the blind & disabled,

    • Encouraging someone to pursue their political aspirations,

    • Even lobbying a European government to acknowledge a local veteran who fought on their soil for their freedom in WWI

    • These as well as countless others are the fruits of his love & commitment to people. His people.

    As you may know, my father could tell a pretty good story. In fact, no matter how bad times were, there was always meat on the table the day after a Lions Club meeting because Dad always came home with the 50 bucks for best joke.

    I’m talking about the classics:

    • George & the Dragon Inn
    • I know how you make a fire, How you make a flood?
    • Good thing you took the Cadillac, the pants wouldn’t have fit ya.
    • Are you Nealy Dunn?

    But there’s one that I think puts into perspective a life well done.

    Now, my father usually told his stories in dialects & this particular joke is actually an old Yiddish story. And I have to warn you, I’m not as good as my father – so please bear with me,

    -This very powerful & wealthy man dies. This particular guy was a mean, angry, conniving man who mistreated everyone in his neighborhood. Truth is, the man was feared as much as he was hated.

    Still, on the day of the service, the sanctuary was packed.

    When the time came, the rabbi stood up & said, “And now comes the time when vei’ll all have a chance to say a little sumethin’ about de departed.”

    “Now der’s a lotta people here, so I’d like to form 2 rows one on the left & one on da right.”

    Silence. No one budged. They just sat there with their arms folded or staring at their shoes.

    “OK – so I see dat some of you are maybe a little shy, dat’s OK – so, maybe ve’ll just have one row right down da middle.”

    Still nothing. So the rabbi started to get upset with the congregation.

    “Listen! People! It’s our tradition to pay proper respects to de departed! Isn’t there Something! Anything! Some Nice Ting Somebody can say about this man?!

    Finally, from the back row, someone shouted


    The man in that story died poor.

    From those of you in the church, from you from town, the Lions Club & the VFW, thank you for your special services, from all of you who shared with us your own special stories about your friend, Ray, thank you for giving us more than we gave you. Thank you for making him rich with your admiration.

    The Bible says that we were created in His Own Image. Maybe you can’t believe God has 2 eyes, a nose, a pair of ears, but perhaps you can believe that for some reason we are a reflection of our Creator afterall. Perhaps all of this was given to us for the same reason we would want to give it to others if we could. The lesson I learned is that the only possible reason is because of Love. And perhaps, the love & grace people like my Dad showed to other people is just the beginning of what can come for all of us if we just try to give more than we get.

    Thank you.

  2. Sharps Rifle says:

    I’m cautiously optimistic…Dumbo’s campaign is doing things that have a look of desperation about them, which says to me that their internal polls show them down past the margin of error. Basically, I have a feeling that McCain may pull it out…albeit, not by much.

    But, as the saying goes, “What do you call someone who graduated dead last in his class at the Air Force Academy? Lieutenant.” What do you call someone who wins by one percentage point? Mr. President. My gut is telling me that we may see how wrong the shill media pollsters have been…as well as the death of the shill media. Also, look for Bill O’Reilly’s ratings to drop because of how cordial he’s been to Dumbo this election cycle.

  3. 1sttofight says:

    My condolences to you and your family RB. Hang on to your memories because that is all you have now.

    Semper Fi

  4. wardmama4 says:

    RB – Condolences to you and your family from me and mine. It sounds as though another member of the Greatest Generation just passed away from us.

  5. JohnMG says:

    RB; May he rest in peace for it sounds as though he shall. As with my own father’s passing, I remember him not in sorrow but with pride and fondness. His memory always brings a smile to my face, for he lived a true Christain life doing for others. He remains an inspiration for me to this day. We could all do much worse than to emulate such lives.

    As says 1st….

    Semper Fi

  6. sheehanjihad says:

    I am sorry for your loss RB…..I hope he gets to meet my dad….Semper Fi my friend.

  7. DEZ says:

    God bless RB.
    Hope and prayers are with you and yours.

  8. spiffyw says:

    RB You have many wonderful memories that will last forever Through you and with you .God Bless

  9. notsoyoungjim says:

    In the end it will be all about getting out the vote. Whichever side can get their people to the polls will win.

    Freeper LS has an informed take on poll internals here: http://tinyurl.com/6a3afh

    “If I am proven right on November 5, and John McCain is elected president, it will be due to the incredibly stupid, wasteful ad spending by Obama for four months that was forgotten in the last 72 hours; it will be due the early voting that reinforced in the minds of the middle-class and white voters of all economic backgrounds that when Obama says he wants to “spread the wealth around,” he really is coming for MY house.

    And above all—let’s give credit where credit is due—it will be because of a relentless performance by Sarah Palin, a brilliantly choreographed campaign by McCain’s managers, and to the gritty, plodding but oh-so-successful turtle from Arizona.”

  10. BillK says:

    Alas, perhaps it’s just the people I’m around, but it seems to be falling out this way:

    • Everyone that I know that runs or works for a small business – McCain/Palin
    • Everyone that I know that works for a large business – Obama/Biden

    This just goes to show what we already know – that most Americans, especially those who work for corporations, have no idea how businesses actually run and how Obama will destroy their very livelihoods.

  11. wardmama4 says:

    BillK where I am it really is falling down the line for McCain/Palin and it is simply pick an issue, their common sense and beliefs tell them not to vote for Obama.

    Our area was heavily union – now struggling with lower population, businesses leaving too and watching our tax money spent on ? since none of the issues/problems have been corrected. A change is needed from the Dems who instituted this in years gone by.
    Our area is heavily religious – and most of them, most especially the Catholic Dems do not want such an abortion heavy candidate as POTUS.
    Our area is heavily veteran/serving – and does not want a candidate who wants to slash the military and run from the GWOT
    Our area is heavily taxed (in 2006 a local reporter got in trouble by saying that our taxes were the highest in the US – she should not have, she just missed one word – proportionally) and not happy with the thought of even higher taxes.

    As I said – pick an issue and Obama is not doing well here at all. And despite what the msm will have you believe I really feel that – besides who trusts the msm anymore anyway?

  12. Exeter says:

    You have my sympathies, RB. May your Dad rest in peace.

  13. Exeter says:

    Like SharpsRifle, I’m (cautiously) optimistic about the election. Here’s why:

    – while Obama has not been thoroughly examined by the media, I think his natural dishonesty has been revealed to the American public;
    – everything we hear of Obama’s inevitable victory comes from the MSM, which should have no credibility with any thinking person;
    – I’ve grown convinced in the last few days that Obama’s overwhelming polls are an illusion, designed to discourage McCain supporters from voting;
    – every October poll in every presidential election since 1968 has favored the Democrat by 6-18 more percentage points than actually materialized on Election Day;
    – Obama is not campaigning like a candidate whose election is ‘in the bag’.

    I believe this election will be (at least in part) a referendum on Obama, Liberal-style-socialism, and the corruption of the media. I refuse to believe that regular Americans are as stupid, naive, gullible or herd-like as the leftists like to think. Maybe it’s just a fantasy, but I have this vague feeling that the election is going to go Right in a bigger way than anybody anticipates, leaving the imploded moonbats asking themselves, “What the hell just happened?”

  14. Reality Bytes says:

    Thank you my friends. I wish you were there. We had two dvds running with Pop’s movies from Long Branch, Hickam Field & of course Da Bronx – circa 1940 – 1945 – IN ORIGINAL COLOR (Dad was “resourceful” in “accessing” even the most scarce stuff). It was terrific.

    The VFW & Foreign Legion each gave a special service.

    I found all a file of eulogies as well as all the speeches he gave over the many years as well as a file on a ten year effort to have France acknowledge a 106 yr old veteran of WW1 who lived in town the French Foreign Service Award. The vets loved it & I’ll be making up a disc of the speeches & even the movies of the USO & Long Branch Base clips for them.

    These truly are great people. If we live half way up to them, we’ll be OK.

    God Bless You All. I was OK all day until just now when I read your replies.

    It meant a lot.

  15. Reality Bytes says:


    I also came across DOD doc’s of each veteran killed in action in Vietnam from the surrounding towns. My father also included statistics & prose of how many Americans died a week in WWII (about 2,000) as well as Vietnam.

    I thought it poignant that a man from an older generation would take the time to consider & grieve the dead of America’s “unpopular war”.

    Also, I found this:

    “We’ve all seen the shaky black and white photos of American soldiers storming Utah beach and there in the lower left corner of the frame one is cut down, killed in a split second. That soldier died only once & went to his eternal peace – while we have seen him killed thousands of times & will again forever more reminding us how great the sacrifice for freedom can be.”

  16. Gil says:

    I don’t think.. I know John McCain is going to win the Whitehouse.
    Remember my previous post which said:

    I was having dinner a night ago with a friend of mine who is a statistician for a well-regarded private polling company. They do some work for Republicans in California, but most of the work they do is for Democrats or Democrat-leaning operations (Unions, etc.). Anyway, her shop was retained to do a few Presidential polls for targetted states on behalf of a union so the union could decide where to spend their ad dollars for the last week. They did Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Missouri. After mocking the hell out of the voter id spreads used by Rassmussen, Zogby, etc. (and this is coming from a committed Dem who will be voting for Barry O) she said the results of their polling lead her to believe that McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV. She says Obama definitely wins New Mexico. She said that Colorado and New Hampshire were absolute dead heats. She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania and a 75% chance McCain wins Virginia. She absolutely laughed at the public polls showing Obama leading Virginia–and pointed out that all of those polls rely on Dem turnout being +4 and as much as +7, when in 2006, Republicans actually had the advantage by +3. She also pointed out that the numbers for Obama in SWVA look absolutely awful and that McCain is running 10 points better then Allen did in NoVa.

    Anyway, her companies conclusion is that the election will come down to Colorado, New Hampshire and the Republican leaning district in Maine, which in her opinion might very well decide the Presidency (apparently the district in Nebraska that Obama thought he might be able to get is now off the table). She said she has very little doubt that the public polling is part of a “concerted voter suppression effort” by the MSM. She said IBD/TIPP was the only outfit doing public polling that was “worth a bucket of warm piss”.


    Now to IBD/TIPP today:

    IBD/TIPP: Obama +2, under 50%
    November 2, 2008
    by Ed Morrissey

    TIPP got the 2004 almost exactly correct, and now they’re showing a much closer national race than almost every other pollster. They now have Barack Obama ahead of John McCain by only 2, 46.7% to 44.6%. Outlier? Prophets? We’ll see on Tuesday, but if they’re right, two points in particular have to be worrying Team Obama:

    The race tightened again Sunday as independents who’d been leaning to Obama shifted to McCain to leave that key group a toss-up. McCain also pulled even in the Midwest, moved back into the lead with men, padded his gains among Protestants and Catholics, and is favored for the first time by high school graduates.


    The internals are interesting, but the topline results show two potentially disturbing trends for Obama. First, Obama has never gotten to 50% in the TIPP poll, and now has dropped below 47%. A Democrat hasn’t won 50% of the vote in decades, and Obama may have the same problem John Kerry had in 2004. Related to that is the high level of undecideds. Almost 9% still have not made up their minds about the election, and as I wrote earlier today, that bodes ill for Obama. If he hasn’t made the sale with this group by now, it’s likely that most of them will wind up in McCain’s column on Tuesday.

    How do we know this? Independents have begun to break for McCain. McCain now leads 45-43. A week ago, Obama led 43-38 with 19% undecided. The entire 7% that has come out of the undecided column in that period have gone to McCain, and 12% of them still have to make up their minds. Interestingly, slightly more Democrats than Republicans are undecided — not good news for Obama.

    If TIPP is right — then it calls into question the notion that Obama is leading in all of the battleground states. We’ll see who was right on Tuesday.


    It is true that TIPP is the correct..
    the others are all in the tank for Obama.
    In this case.. TIPP really is the only poll “worth a bucket of warm piss.”

    McCain will win.


  17. Gil says:

    McCain Camp: Things Are Getting Tight
    Posted by michaelscherer
    Sunday, November 2, 2008

    On a brief jump flight from Philadelphia to Scranton, McCain adviser Charlie Black and Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback came back to talk up the campaign’s conviction that the glass if half full. “Four years ago at this point, George W. Bush was down five points in Iowa,” Brownback said. “Today John McCain is down one point in Iowa.”

    He was citing an unreleased internal McCain campaign poll of the state, which was completed last Thursday, said Black. (The campaign stopped doing its own polling after Thursday, he added, because television time through the election all had to be purchased by Friday.) However, public polls in Iowa suggest that McCain is still in a big hole. Last week, the Des Moines Register poll, which has a good record of prediction in that state, put McCain’s deficit at 17 points, with Barack Obama garnering 54 percent of the support.

    “McCain is in a good position to win every red state,” Black said. “Plus he is probably going to win Pennsylvania and Iowa.” Polls have narrowed sharply in Pennsylvania in recent weeks, though Obama still has a sizable lead of 7 points in the Real Clear Politics average. Black said he had seen a poll recently that showed McCain tied in the Philadelphia suburbs, a crucial swing region of the state.


  18. BillK says:

    wardmama4 – Ironically it’s the opposite where I live.

    Most people are doing OK but worry about “the others” while somehow supporting tax increases on themselves. The “we get so much from the Federal Government, we should pay more” crowd.

    Combine that with a university nearby and it’s very heavily Obama/Biden wherever you look.

    Then again my state went heavily Democratic in the last election, so I’ve no reason to believe we’ll ever return to our Republican roots.

    Like most states, the inflow of liberals from the coasts into our large cities has rapidly overwhelmed the more conservative politics of the more common-sense rural areas.

    I’ll of course be thrilled if a miracle occurs, but I’m living my life as if we will live in an overtly socialist country as of Wednesday.

  19. BillK says:

    If you want to see Fred Thompson on Meet the Press and think about what could have been, had only Thompson actually mounted a campaign of any type during the primaries and acted like he wanted the job:


    Of course, to quote Fred, showing he’s apparently out of touch:

    “We nominated the only fella who would have a chance, under these circumstances”

    Uh, yeah.

    He also blew the chance to correct Brokaw’s assertion that “Republicans are the party that’s been in power for the past eight years.”

  20. artboyusa says:

    Condolences for your loss, RB.

    As far as the coronation, sorry – election – goes, I really, really hope you guys are right. I put on the TV and there’s our watchdog media just urging and straining for President Odorable to win. They look like they’re trying to force a dump: come oooonnnnn… one more pussshhhh…gnnnnnrrrr.

    Of course if McCain loses. I’ll be forced to riot, so the Burlington Mall better watch out.

  21. 1sttofight says:

    I still need a HD Bigscreen TV. SJ still has not come through with his promise of one the last time a hufficane hit Florida. Oh yeah, and some new Nikes too, size 10, any color.

  22. jrmcdonald says:

    Sorry about your Father man; you honor his memory with the work you do.

  23. Liberals Demise says:

    RB,I am truely sorry for your lose and it sounds to me that your dad was a GREAT person to be around.
    As for my thought process on this race…..I’m holding out that COMMON SENSE will win over the Greatest Liar since Beelza Bubba Clinton. Of course we know that all those with their hands out for the “FREE” stuff will cause Urban Renewal and scream foul. My hope is that ACORN will be handed its
    Tax Free Status null and void!! Lastly….it is my hope that when McCain wins, early voting will be outlawed and shown as a fraud on the election. That you must show I.D. to vote. Voting is a privilege and a right not to be taken lightly.If you think it is too hard to verify who you really are and where you reside, then you are a hinderence to the process and therefor forfeit said vote. Be you black, white yellow, green, purple and so forth. Responsibilty (individual) needs to be addressed and adhered too!
    If you love your FREEDOMS…..Thank a Veteran!!

  24. Liberals Make Great Speedbumps says:


    I’m sorry I’m late as usual but my condolences to you and your family. I’m sure that your Dad would have been deeply touched by the fine tribute you paid him.

  25. Reality Bytes says:

    You bet!

  26. Anonymoose says:

    I voted on Saturday as a part of early voting. I live in a battleground state so I kerplunked for McCain, otherwise I would have gone LIbertarian. I didn’t even have to get drunk to do it.

    Unfortunately I work in a very liberal area (college town) and people are literally crawling out of the woodwork to vote Obama. I only hope McCain can pull the proverbial white rabbit out of a hat, but in my area it’s looking pretty grim.

  27. JohnMG says:

    Anonymoose; …….” I only hope McCain can pull the proverbial white rabbit out of a hat……”

    White rabbit?!! How racist of you.

  28. artboyusa says:

    Hey 1st – if I can’t get Nikes, will Converse do?

  29. sheehanjihad says:

    Hey 1st, since it’s time we all started to toe the party line, I think I will pop down to the local sports shop and grab up some Nikes for you….it is common practice when anyone else’s candidate loses, so yeah, I’ll get you and artboy some cool stompers…..

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