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The Hive – Musings On Obama’s Jobs Speech

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This article was posted by Steve on Thursday, September 8th, 2011. Comments are currently closed.

35 Responses to “The Hive – Musings On Obama’s Jobs Speech”

  1. pamypo says:

    Almost time to start, must stop to change channel to football pre game. Comes under the title, BBEN THERE HEARD THAT!

  2. canary says:

    It’s official. Seriously, Michelle Obama is staring in reality show Extreme Makeover or is it Extreme Home Makeover. Anyways, the reality show’s commercial makes it kind of look like it’s a White House makeover, but I don’t think it is. Ya know that tabloid trick. Shows them arriving and she’s jumping up and around with fists in the air, like a boxing champion.

    So, I was wrong. I said Obama’s next job out of office would be a Reality show. Also, her fun family vacation trip to sight see Africa, going on tourist safari they have is now turned into a documentary to make it appear she cares about the starving children in Africa. Amazing how these reality shows can edit a small piece and make it look like a the main theme.

    How about the Obama Tracks down Jimmy Hoffa’s Corpse Reality show.

    Obama’s job announcement is just for free air time, and will be followed for free air.

    And to think how everyone trashed Sarah Palin.

  3. sticks says:

    I just forced myself to listen to Obama’s wonderful jobs speach about his wonderful jobs plan which congress must pass right away. It’s such a wonderful plan nobody could possibly disagree with anything in it so lets just pass it right away and we will find out whats in it later. By the way it will put lots of people back to work while at the same time reducing the defecit and paying down the debt and it will all be “paid for”. My favorite part is when he said something to this effect “I know that many of you think that we just need to get rid of government spending and regulations…”, at this point the audience interrupted his speach with loud applause which he obviously didn’t expect, clearly many people there understood that government is the problem not the solution

  4. canary says:

    Obama said more jobs for teens ? hmmm. The teens of working age can’t find jobs. And they will be voting.

    Obama did not mention “paying jobs” so does he mean schools requiring more volunteer work. He already broke his promise of working hours for school hours, not that you can trust him, and it’s better to work and get paid and save the money for college.

    After halting plans for high speed rails, he’s flip flopped and
    making it a priority. Even China has halted more rails do to safety.

    Electric lines severed in San Diego and Arizona. While they don’t say it’s terrorists they still don’t know how the lines were severed. San Diego Ca. home of the illegal Mexico tunnels and considered on the hot list even prior to 9/11 yet lets not be alarmed.


    Terrorists attacks on anniversary, suspects being searched for. This does not include the latest reports
    major cities are on the targeted list.


  5. BillK says:

    I’m amazed as all the hosts on Fox News are excited about Obama’s “performance,” stating “the campaign Obama is back!”

    They seem jazzed about his performance.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Which is all it was; All it ever is. A performance. But in the best tradition of a hack actor who could never land a good role, or who once did but fell away from popularity, his lines are now more mechanical, less inspired, detached. Not that they weren’t to begin with (Rush has been noting that for his whole term now) but if you can go from “detached” to “really, really, really detached then you can see what I mean.

      His speechifying has become morose. He has become morose and most certainly, monotonous.

      All the left has anymore is violence. There will be the “before” election violence which will be nothing compared to the “after” election violence. The irony being that the man who was most responsible for making the black “condition” the worst it’s ever been in memory will be the root of the anger but, oddly because he got un-elected” not for the real reasons they should be most angry with him. That “stash money” went to communists, national socialists, public sector unions, the green jobs shiteree, crony capitalists, muslim causes, muslim governments, etc., etc.

      So, it’ll be like the Rodney King acquittal, only on steroids. Yeah, like if OJ had been convicted. Only worse. I may go on vacation outside the country once I cast my vote. Drive straight to the airport and fly to Australia until the riots calm down.

  6. GetBackJack says:

    “Weekend Discussion Thread”?

    Steve, do you secretly work for the federal government? Because this is still Thursday. And a federal workers weekend officially begins Thursday morning and ends on Monday afternoon.


  7. Mithrandir says:

    I told you so….

    Union Jobs, Union Jobs, Union Jobs!

    Clueless jerks! Teachers COST MONEY! Anyone who pays property taxes (ask Wisconsin residents) will tell you that public sector union jobs are extremely costly, and NEVER go down in price.

    This is just the government’s attempt to ‘create’ jobs, collect the dues, and transfer them back to the democrat’s election campaigns…..thanks suckers!

  8. TerryAnne says:

    I didn’t watch it, so I’m reading the text right now. It says nothing. Nothing at all. The best part, though, is you can tell – by reading the text – where he suddenly tried to speak off the cuff. http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/09/08/full-text-of-obama-speech-to-congress-on-jobs/

    Some of the stuff I’m irked by:

    “Pass this jobs bill, and starting tomorrow, small businesses will get a tax cut if they hire new workers or if they raise workers’ wages. Pass this jobs bill, and all small-business owners will also see their payroll taxes cut in half next year. If you have 50 employees…

    If you have 50 employees making an average salary, that’s an $80,000 tax cut. And all businesses will be able to continue writing off the investments they make in 2012.”


    “The American Jobs Act will repair and modernize at least 35,000 schools. It will put people to work right now fixing roofs and windows, installing science labs and high-speed Internet in classrooms all across this country. It will rehabilitate homes and businesses in communities hit hardest by foreclosures. It will jump-start thousands of transportation projects all across the country.

    And to make sure the money is properly spent, we’re building on reforms we’ve already put in place. No more earmarks. No more boondoggles. No more Bridges to Nowhere. We’re cutting the red tape that prevents some of these projects from getting started as quickly as possible. And we’ll set up an independent fund to attract private dollars and issue loans based on two criteria: how badly a construction project is needed and how much good it will do for the economy.”

    That was what QE1 and QE2 were supposed to do. Neither worked. So how, exactly, will this one be any different? And what’s the cost?

    “Building a world-class transportation system is part of what made us an economic superpower. And now we’re going to sit back and watch China build newer airports and faster railroads, at a time when millions of unemployed construction workers could build them right here in America?”

    Ummm…so we’re going to build airports and railroads because a country 3 times as large as us is building them in their country. Great idea.

    “But while they’re adding teachers in places like South Korea, we’re laying them off in droves. It’s unfair to our kids; it undermines their future and ours. And it has to stop. Pass this bill, and put our teachers back in the classroom where they belong.”

    Bully for South Korea! What, exactly, does that have to do with us, again?

    “We — we have to do more to help the long-term unemployed in their search for work. This jobs plan builds on a program in Georgia that several Republican leaders have highlighted, where people who collect unemployment insurance participate in temporary work as a way to build their skills while they look for a permanent job.

    The plan also extends unemployment insurance for another year.”

    So…apparently building skills as a leech is beneficial.

    Buried in the center…hanging around with nothing else modifiying it: “I know that some of you have sworn oaths to never raise any taxes on anyone for as long as you live. Now is not the time to carve out an exception and raise middle-class taxes, which is why you should pass this bill right away.”

    “And to help responsible homeowners, we’re going to work with federal housing agencies to help more people refinance their mortgages at interest rates that are now near 4 percent. That’s a step…”

    Yes…that’s a step to driving us further down the doomsday hole. The federal housing agencies handing out mortgages to anyone with a pulse was one of the things that drove our economic collapse.

    “That’s why I’ve brought together a jobs council of leaders from different industries who are developing a wide range of new ideas to help companies grow and create jobs.”

    Apparently the Department of Jobs was created, then?

    “We all remember Abraham Lincoln as the leader who saved our union, founder of the Republican Party. But in the middle of a Civil War, he was also a leader who looked to the future, a Republican president who mobilized government to build the transcontinental railroad, launch the National Academy of Sciences, set up the first land grant colleges. And leaders of both parties have followed the example he set.”

    So, when is Obama going to get bashed for representing history truly wrong? Or is it only Sarah Palin, who actually got the history correct but stated things the media didn’t know?

    “I don’t pretend that this plan will solve all our problems.”

    Ummm…you marketed this speech as such. You’ve also made allusions throughout your speech that it will.

    • TerryAnne says:

      Probably my favorite, though (and these two paragraphs were one right after another; I did not cut stuff out in-between them):

      “If we allow that tax cut to expire, if we refuse to act, middle- class families will get hit with a tax increase at the worst possible time. We can’t let that happen.

      I know that some of you have sworn oaths to never raise any taxes on anyone for as long as you live. Now is not the time to carve out an exception and raise middle-class taxes, which is why you should pass this bill right away.”

    • Petronius says:

      “If you have 50 employees….”

      Many small businesses are scrambling to cut their staff below fifty. That is because fifty employees is the threshold when the costly ObamaCare employer insurance, compliance, and reporting requirements kick in, along with the new ObamaCare taxes, sanctions, and penalties on employers.

      Thus the proposed tax cut for small businesses is a gimmick to entice employers into the danger zone.

      Watch the pea … Now you see it, now you don’t.

    • TerryAnne says:

      Good catch, Petronius!

    • GetBackJack says:

      Petronius – allow me to expand on your illustration.

      The cut off for full-time v. part time employees is 30 hours per week for full-time and 20 hours per week part-time. Full time employees are required to be covered under ObamaCare. Part-time employees not.

      Wanna guess what’s going to happen to people already struggling with 30 hour paydays, instead of 40 hours? They’re going to be ruthlessly whittled back into part-time employees.

      But wait, it gets worse.

      The New Hotness in Employee Scheduling software is a little diddy known as Workflow Management Software (WMS). WMS analyzes when an employer needs employees based on a complicated algorithm of activity/sales/employee/costs.

      Retail stores, for example – WMS schedules their work week based on projections of the (1) number of minutes/hours a task is presumed to take to accomplish + (2) the historic trend of when customers come to the store + (3) the seasonal requirements of bodies-to-sales + (4) scheduled shipments of new product to unload, log in, unpack, shelve. Etc. Infinitely customizable they say.

      Surely most of you can immediately understand the lunacy of such a thing.

      Here’s the bullet – you never know what your measly 20 hour work schedule is going to be, week to week. It’s constantly shifting according to a GD algorithm and CPU. No way for you to plan your life. Presumably because your life means nothing to the employer who stands idly by with a cup of coffee and shrugs “Can’t do anything about it. The computer makes the schedules, not me.”

      Wait wait … that’s not the worst.

      The worst is people already on a razor’s edge financially and socially CANNOT make ends meet on 20 hours of pay. BUT neither can they apply for a second or third job because they never know what their primary job hours will be. It’s impossible to make commitments to another employer for the extra income because your primary employer has you hostage to a randomly psychotic work schedule.

      You can’t plan doctor’s visits, children’s needs, school needs, you name it. With a work schedule that’s never the same twice and can change in a moment because the WMS is constantly analyzing shift coverage to meet “unexpected needs” … well, you get the picture.

      So, good luck out there. between Obama forcing employers to get down to 49 employees and then to cut that staff back to 20 hours of part time, and with the advent of WMS … we’re gonna swell the Poverty and Welfare rolls by 100% at least.

      Remember I said this.

    • ezra says:

      Further expanding, realize that all this inanity is a function of the employer-based health insurance system in place in the United States.

      http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/22/is-employer-based-health-insurance-worth-saving/ (Yes, it is written by a Princeton professor, and yes it is published in the New York Times. Reading of such material is known to cause rash, red eyes, hiccups, and internal and external bleeding.)

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      It’s really just a Sham-Wow commercial.

      Really, it is.

      “Call. Call now!”

      “When you get your Sam-Wow, it will do all these amazing things!”

      What this putz is “good” at is making empty promises, and blowing smoke up our asses. But the nation has caught on. None of these things will happen. Schools won’t be getting more (or even “better” teachers) or faster internet, or anything. Just more money will go down the drain and public sector unions will have bigger bank accounts. In fact, I look at this money stealing scheme as redistribution and retribution for the republicans getting their way as regards public sector union issues f the past couple of years. Punishment, if you will.

      The conversation probably went thus:

      Union: (to Obama) Well, hey, you let them get their way…it’s your fault, so what are you gonna do about it (boy)?

      Obama: Well, I, uh…see…..I have a plan…and I’ll convince them to cough up some cash and I’ll send it your way.

      Unions: You’d better. We’re not putting up with this.

    • GetBackJack says:

      EZRA, YOU’RE RIGHT ON SO MANY LEVELS. When Nixon froze wages and prices, employers could no longer head-hunt with increased wages, so the innovative ones sweetened an Offer by adding non-taxable Benefits pre-tax incentives such as Health Insurance fully paid, etc.

      This began the great exodus away from a market-based, market driven model for selling insurance — to — “Somebody Else Picks Up The Tab”.

      And here we are, today.


    • Mithrandir says:


      1. Speech WRONG on Abraham Lincoln gaffe removed from PBS transcripts: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/pbs_alters_transcript_to_hide_obama_gaffe.html

      2. South Korea adding teachers? Not exactly true! In many cases, they are CUTTING teachers because they are too expensive…..won’t hear that in the lame stream media: http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2011/03/gepik-cutting-200-positions-in-2011.html

    • Shep says:

      “If we allow that tax cut to expire, if we refuse to act, middle- class families will get hit with a tax increase at the worst possible time. We can’t let that happen.”

      Here I believe he is referring to the payroll tax break. It is set to expire January 1st, and many Republicans have come out in favor of letting it expire, despite their promise never to raise taxes (so it depends if you see letting tax cuts expire as a form of raising taxes). see Rep. Jeb Hensarling, Rep. David Camp, Sen. Lamar Alexander, and Eric Cantor.

    • Shep says:

      GetBackJack, good comment on Workflow Management System. What a horrifying prospect, that schedules could be so rigid and inhumane, that a person cannot get that second job. I looked it up on Google but I could not find it as a scheduling device. Where did you find out about it? Where can I read more?

      You said, “So, good luck out there. between Obama forcing employers to get down to 49 employees and then to cut that staff back to 20 hours of part time, and with the advent of WMS … we’re gonna swell the Poverty and Welfare rolls by 100% at least.”

      I understand that there is an incentive to keep a business down to 49 employees created by Obamacare (though I prefer to call it OBomneyCare to reflect its inspiration by a governor of Mass. and a president who did their jobs as politicians by trying to find compromises which took into account the desires of their constituents on both ends of the political spectrum). But how is Obama forcing employers to cut staff back to 20 hours of part time?

    • Shep says:

      Petronius, you said:

      “Many small businesses are scrambling to cut their staff below fifty. That is because fifty employees is the threshold when the costly ObamaCare employer insurance, compliance, and reporting requirements kick in, along with the new ObamaCare taxes, sanctions, and penalties on employers.

      Thus the proposed tax cut for small businesses is a gimmick to entice employers into the danger zone.”

      But when Obama said “Pass this jobs bill, and all small business owners will also see their payroll taxes cut in half next year. If you have 50 employees making an average salary, that’s an $80,000 tax cut.”

      He was not saying you get a tax credit *Only* if you have 50 employees, he was just doing math and saying how much payroll tax credits would add up if you had, say 50 employees *for example*

      +plus+ I’m still on the fence about what is wrong with asking businesses that are no longer mom and pop shops or start-ups to offer some kind of health care plan to its employees? I could go either way on it, but I would like to challenge you on it. Businesses can have up to 1,500 employees and still be considered “small businesses,” but your mom and pop shops are usually going to have no more than 15. I can see how it’s fair not to ask one of these places not to offer health care, since mom and pop stores don’t expand (there is no economy of scale), so not much extra revenue can ever come in.

      However, once a company passes the 50 employee mark, they are clearly operating with different intentions than the mom and pop shop- they are expansion-based. So it makes sense to leave them be (laissez-faire) while they are start-ups. But once they reach the cost advantage of expansion, they should begin to have enough to offer health care to their employees.

    • BigOil says:

      Shep – What business is it of the federal government to mandate companies of any size to provide health insurance to their employees? Which article of the Constitution grants that power?

      If a company decides to provide a health insurance benefit for whatever competitive reason, that decision should reside exclusively with the company.

      You ask what is wrong with asking companies of a certain size to provide a health care benefit. When the federal government passes laws, it does not ask for voluntary compliance, it compels through the threat of force.

      Central planning of businesses and an entire economy has never worked and never will work.

    • Shep says:


      Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.

      One could argue that we as a society have an interest in making sure children, in the critical age from infancy to adolescence, receive adequate health care. The consequences of inadequate health care range from financial (the taxpayer burden for E.R. visits as opposed to the wise investment in guaranteed preventative health care that can cut down on such E.R. visits) to social (less medical care would mean less screening of children for mental illnesses, which can, undetected, manifest in aggression, suicide, or psychosis as they grow older, causing crime to go up, communities to suffer, and taxpayers to pay for more prison provisons) to moral (do we as a society allow children to suffer lack of access to preventative and other medical care through no fault of their own?).

      Say we agree that it is both unfair and impractical to allow any individual to be denied a health care plan by their place of business. Say we do not want a “public option” to ensure no one is denied health care, because we are afraid that would kill competition of private providers. The next logical step would be to create a law mandating health care insurance to all employees of most businesses. The relative few exceptions would be to ensure such a law does not become a self-defeating harm on the economy, so it protects small businesses and start-ups until they reach economies of scale.

      It all makes logical sense to me, but that is only because I tend to believe the premise: that it is both immoral and impractical for us as a society to not guarantee health insurance to all those living in the society. When I studied economics, the first chapter talked about market failures. One of these was externalities, or the “hidden costs” associated with a purely free market. I would certainly see the aforementioned financial, social, and moral hidden consequences of no healthcare-mandate as externalities which warrant government intervention in the marketplace.

      Therefore it’s nothing more innocuous in theory than saying “society has an interest in the health of its own citizens.” If you want to get into how government’s corrupt bad apples and ethically questionable policies such as earmarks often turn good intentions into problems, I can understand you on that. Yet I do not believe in throwing out the baby with the bathwater, I am more towards increased government transparency, reform and weeding out the rotten.

      Show me an article that say “businesses fail as a direct result of Obamacare” and we can talk about it and work on (reform) what about it is hurting the economy that it is supposed to be helping. Or you can simply tell me this is un-Constitutional and “government getting too big,” but it would have to address the 3 negative consequences of allowing for uninsured families: financial, social, and moral. Because I believe the Founding Fathers gave us room to change our ideas about the role of government based on reasonable debates over those three concerns.

  9. Petronius says:

    More quack remedies. But delivered louder than usual. “Don’t read the label, just swallow it!”

    There’s nothing like curing a debt problem with more debt. Just add a few more zeroes.

    Of course the remedies won’t work. But that’s the beauty of it — the less the medicine works, the worse the patient becomes. And the worse his condition becomes, the more money they get to throw at it.

    The half-trillion dollar stimuli programs are mere foreplay. The taking, grabbing, fondling, sucking, spending, skimming, screwing, funneling payoffs, kickbacks, corruption, predation, and destruction are the really hot and juicy parts, the entrées at the Emperor Nerobama’s orgy as it were.

    The borrowing, printing, and taxing of the money to pay for it all … well, that comes later. Like the after-orgy brandy and Cuban cigars in the parlor.

    The redistribution part is where we come in. They are the redistributors and the redistributees. We are merely the things being redistributed.

    They will say, “But how his arms and legs are thin!”

    And, “Eat your peas, America!”

    Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold,
    Peas porridge in the pot, nine days old!

    Some like it hot, some like it cold,
    Some like it in the pot, nine days old!

    “Take your medicine, America!” Yes, don’t look at the label, you fools, just close your eyes and swallow.

    Our sickly patient seems to have swallowed the Liberal Death Wish hook, line, and sinker.

    Let us go then, you and I, when the evening is spread out against the sky, and see this etherized patient.

    Oh, do not ask, “What is it?”

    Let us go and make our visit.

    • proreason says:

      You didn’t think he was proposing remedies, did you?

      The purpose of the speech was to establish rhetorical clubs to beat Republicans over the head with. In the next 15 months you will hear a million times that 9-10% unemployment is the Republicans’ fault because they didn’t pass the president’s bill. You won’t hear the Republican responses unless you read conservative web sites or listen to Fox News.

    • sticks says:

      This can also be a stick to beat the elephant in the right direction. In the face of an oncomming election and a massive propaganda assault will Boehner and the rest of the rinos be able to stand? It’s a win win for Obama and the rest of the demoncats. Also a great way to make a very public division between the rinos and the Tea Party for a political triple crown.

  10. The New American Revolution says:

    This guy is so full of shit his eyes are brown. SSDD if he could get even one new thought rolling around in that little brain of his I would be amazed.
    Hey I know this is gonna be ignored but please at least think about snding this just swap Warren for your name.

    Fellow Patriots, HERE is a perfect example of HOW WE HIT BACK using the law, not the lawlessness of the Left. Hats off to Warren Gacsi on this. Oh, and Warren, make sure you’re armed in case the union goons come around.

    Jimmy Hoffa, in his address on September 4, 2011, Jimmy Hoffa instructed his union members to”take these son-of-a-bitches out” and declared war on the TEA Party.

    Refer to his statements as said in this video:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/teamsters/2011/09/05/teamsters-boss-declares-war-gop-lets-take-son-bitches-out ( in Mr. Hoffa’s own words), which I therefore submit as evidence to this complaint.

    Such statements constitutes numerous acts of domestic terrorism under section 802 of the Patriot Act.

    Given that Mr. Hoffa holds a position of power and influence in the Teamsters Union, and that the Teamsters have previously been active in inflicting acts of violence, I am therefore concluding that Mr. Hoffa has instructed his union members to inflict further violent acts.

    I view Mr. Hoffa’s statement to be one of CULPABLE harm.

    Section 802 of the Patriot Act: DOMESTIC TERRORISM:

    5) the term `domestic terrorism’ means activities that–

    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended–

    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

    (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.’

    I also interpret Mr. Hoffas statements to be intended to instruct his union members to inflict physical harm and mayhem upon those who oppose the Teamster’s agenda, and specifically to be inflicted upon those of the TEA Party or those who support the TEA Party.

    Therefore, I am filing this criminal complaint upon Jimmy Hoffa. Furthermore, I also file this criminal complaint upon Joe Biden and also Barak Obama who have endorsed the statements of Jimmy Hoffa and request the FBI to file criminal charges upon those three individuals for violations of Section 802 of the Patriot Act.

    I will be seeking a Federal Protection Order in Riverside, California District Federal Court, naming Jimmy Hoffa, Joe Biden, and Barak Obama as well as the entire Teamsters Union, and also seek an order from the court to (1) order the teamsters to not infiltrate or seek to disrupt TEA Party events, and to order that the above three named persons, and any member of the Teamsters to refrain from any activities within one thousand feed of my primary residence and place of business.

    Warren Gacsi

  11. BannedbytheTaliban says:

    I never gave much credence to the whole Cloward-Piven stuff, but the Payroll tax cut seems to fit in perfectly. Why would he want to reduce revenues to a systems that is already insolvent. He is just hastening the downfall of social security and medicare. On top of that, he intentionally created a tax cut, a whole $4 a week, that should be repealed knowing he could demagogue his opponents with a middle class tax increase.

    Also, if you took 100% of the income from those evil rich people, it wouldn’t even cover this bill, let alone the $1 trillion budget deficit. If I have to hear the words “fair share” come from that elgalitarian waif one more time I’m going to puke.

    The man is evil, and evil unctuous marxist bastard.

  12. proreason says:

    Now we know what “work” the Boy King did on his vacation.

    His handlers gave him a list of 30 things that they have used before to funnel money from hard-working taxpayers to his cronies, and the child had to pick 15.

    Must have taken at least 2 minutes.

  13. canary says:

    Obama’s Made in U.S.A. is a well timed lie.
    The media has been updating on Feds raiding Gibson Guitars Factory.
    They import a sanded finished piece of wood from India.

    Obama’s Feds are saying that they must give the work to India to cut and shape the wood and put brackets for the strings.

    Gibson said they have 40 employees that make that part of the guitar and they will lose their jobs, yet alone and the made or assembled in USA will be joke.

    We import so much from India why go after Gibson Guitars.

  14. Melly says:

    Video/audio Biden meets Boehner b/f Jobs speech. Just fascinating. Serious visual disconnect folks! I watched the video w/o sound first to imagine what they were discussing and then watched it again with audio. Politics IS applesauce. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GlnOvYxAiPc

    • canary says:

      Melly, so the real Boehner reveals he’s a traitor to the American people. Biden and Boehner laughing at Americans.

      This clip shows exactly how Boehner’s golf game with Obama went. Boehner is son of bama sob.

      Someone had to tell them their mikes were on. Hurry and watch before it’s washed off the internet. Boehner the Barbarian is in bed with Bambam. grrrrrrrr………..

      This should be showed all over the news.

  15. sticks says:

    Either Obama and his cohorts are stone stupid or they are demonic and know exactly what they are doing (most are probably at some point between the two, some are truly demonic). Obama keeps crying out that he is going to save us yet everything he does just adds to the destuction. His mind is so twisted by Marx madness that he is incapable of doing anything good for this nation even if he did want to. He thinks government is the savior, but in the hands of Obama and his ilk it can only be Abbadon and Appolyon, the destroyer.

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