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The House Votes Down The ‘Bailout’ Bill
The bill has not been approved:
Indeed, the last minute arm-twisting by the Democrats seems to have cost the bill two more votes.
The final tally was 205 - 228.
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For the annals of ‘Great Moments In Chutzpah,” we offer this press release from ACORN:
Mortimer Duke: ‘F*ck him! Now, you listen to me! I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here! Turn those machines back on!’
I thought passage was in general advisable for the health of the economy.
Until Pelosi opened her big yap on the floor about it being a way to address failed GOP policies:
Screw it.
Can we get a name to the YEA votes,curious to see who in my backyard is pushing socialism.
Here’s the roll call vote…
H R 3997 RECORDED VOTE 29-Sep-2008 2:07 PM
AYES
Democratic 140
Republican 65
NOES
Democrat 95
Republican 133
NOT VOTING
Republican 1
TOTALS
AYES 205
NOES 228
QUESTION: On Concurring in Senate Amendment With An Amendment
BILL TITLE: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide earnings assistance and tax relief to members of the uniformed services, volunteer firefighters, and Peace Corps volunteers, and for other purposes
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“Can we get a name to the YEA votes….”
I second that motion jerusamus. :-) SG can you get a list of the names? ( We need to know who is for us and who is agin’ us. )
Oh, thanks 1st. I guess we were posting at the same time.
Wow! Will wonders never cease. My House Rep., Doggett (D TX), voted No. I reckon he got sick of all of us calling, worried about his reelection, and actually heard our cry and voted accordingly. :-)
Wow, Pelosi said that, after GWB went out of his way to appear non-partisan last week during his address. I remember thinking at the time, at the very least, he should have brought up the fact that his Treasury Dept tried to regulate Fan/Fred, but Barney & his gang of thieves wouldn’t have any of it. They were too busy riding the gravy train.
GWB needs to get more partisan & come up w/ a solution that makes sure this never happens again (like privatize Fan/Fred for starters). Get Uncle Sam out of the deadbeat mortgage loan business for good.
Good observation, Billk. You gotta wonder what would have happened if San Fran Nan had kept her Bush-bashing mouth shut. It was a fairly close vote. The Dems could have possibly won this if not for Pelosi’s big yapper and her affinity for inserting her foot in it. Thanks, Nan.
A Dem majority and even then Ms Pelosi can’t wrangle a win - wow - who’d have thought it? And exactly why is that - perhaps because, much like Shamnesty the American people rose up and said not only No but Hell No.
I heard two statements re this mess -
On talk radio - I’d rather leave my kids and grandkids a depression having done the right thing than do the wrong thing.
and on another site -
Taking away the individual possiblity to fail also takes away the individual possibilty to succeed.
Maybe the fools in DC need to read these - and then act on them.
The Trump asked a question that’s been on my mind-Why is the government wanting to buy the toxic loans why can’t we buy the good loans?
Tom
Nancy, Nancy, Nancy. Call your bank. Get some money from your account. Buy a clue.
Once again, Pig Pelosi takes another opportunity to bash Republicans. Payback’s a b*tch, ain’t it Pig!
I watched her strained plastic face yapping out nothing more than how democrats came to the rescue on “Bush’s failed policies”…time and time again. I wanted to bitch slap her to shut her up. Now, her big fat gob has screwed everything up yet again. Great leadership, madam freaker~! You stupid idiot! Step down before you get stepped on! She is so unqualified to be speaker…..just a stupid douchebag, and even the ‘Snag could have done better with this one. Regardless if you liked the bailout or not…Pelosi destroyed any hope of any non partisan compromise with her stupid mouth. Again!
So… let me get this straight… the Reps are blaming Pelosi for her speech as their reason for voting this bill down? Are you kidding me?? I thought people voted for bills, not speeches.
Are the Reps saying “You know… I read the bill, and I was ready to vote for it… but, Ya know… Nancy’s speech just left a bitter taste in my mouth, so, yeah… I like the bill, but I don’t like her.”
Way to go… put the Speaker above the Country. Nice job.
You have missed the point, Pete. The reps didn’t vote against the bill because Nancy Pelosi is a self-righteous jerk. They did it because it is the right thing to do. The fact that Pelosi ended up with egg on her face is just a bonus. She can’t even get her own party to support this crap. And most of us on this MB are celebrating - for the moment at least.
Grassy Knoll—-she may not have egg on her face. Witness how this is being portrayed in the media and look at some of the dems who voted “no”. I would not be surprised for the dems, and their complicite buds in the media, to come back tomorrow and vote the original bill on a party-line vote—and hail themselves as heroes. There is no low the democratic party won’t stoop to reduce our freedom and liberty.
Knoll - See, I’ll agree that voting the bill down was the right thing to do, but to hit the media and blame Pelosi for the way the vote went is ridiculous.
The unfortunate thing is that McCain was touting this as his creation, and he should maintain the lion’s share of the credit for putting party politics aside and working with Obama and Bush to get this pieced together. And then he got shot in the ass by his own party.
Ouch. Big Ouch.
Looking at the markets. This stunt has cost people a pile of money.
Bill voted down–markets down. Bill passed–which way would the markets have gone? We have no way to know that. All we know for sure is that congress (yes, all of ‘em), the prez, and their lackeys have been playing political football with this thing from the beginning. They all need to be run out of town on a rail.
Noticing that my elected communist …(Big D-Fazio) voted no I am guessing the democrats have even worse things planned!
“…..McCain was touting this as his creation….”
Obama was the Presidential Candidate that was trying to take credit for the Bill yesterday.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2.....t-bailout/
I think the Ouch. Big Ouch. would apply more to BO, PPete. :-)
Mary Bono Mack voted “Yes”. Why, Mary, why??? So did Dreier and Tancredo. But OC Dem Loretta Sanchez voted “No”. She probably didn’t like that ACORN wasn’t getting any $$$ from the bill.
I have to agree with PartisanPete…even if Pelosi was shooting her partisan mouth off, and everyone was taking credit when it was popular, and denying it when it failed…..these asswipes just cost ME a bundle in my 401K…..while they bicker, I lose. This is not Bush’s failed policy….this is a miserably failed CONGRESS
It is about time McCain call a Spade a Spade and call on Democrats Chairs Waters, Frank along with Rep Meeks to explain themselves.
Their statements in 2004 were outrageous and in light of today’s seemingly biblical 777 pt drop, am on record as advocating the return of crucifixion as punishment. But it’ll never happen. In order to crucify someone, you need wood and the enviro-wackos wouldn’t let us cut down the trees we’d need.
Man, how I miss the old days.
Short term thinking will not help anything in any way. Anybody cashing out tomorrow? I hope not. Please, this is a short-term issue, with politics (per usual) exacerbating the situation, but, anyone who thinks this is the end of the world is off key.
Anyone with any cash - buy, buy, buy - the opportunity of a lifetime. Buy indices, mutuals, or whatever. You’ll have a five to seven percent return (or more) in a matter of weeks. Write it down.
Congress will respond. Congress will respond this week. Maybe they won’t screw the pooch this time around. This may be the highest stakes game of ‘chicken’ in economic history, but both sides will blink eventually, and the cash will appear.
My other free advice for the day/week: turn off the TV for a few days. Keep your powder dry. Keep your blood pressure low. It will all be good.
(Money back guarantee not included for this offer. WAC. See your dealer for details. Some restrictions may apply.)
Here is a good video on the topic - pass it on, maybe then the people will get that blame is not what is needed right now - find a logical, reasonable fix and then hold accountable those who created this mess - I do not care if they blame the alignment of the stars or Pelosi’s offensive comments - they did not vote for - if they had not used that as a ‘reason’ do you think that the msm would have ever made her comments public?!? - It took more than 12 disgruntled Repubs to down this abomination - even Kucinich voted against it (it had to be bad) and yes, the key will be to keep the Dems from creating a SocialisticEconomic Frankenstein bill - and I wouldn’t put it past this crowd to do it.
Burning Down the House - What Caused Our Economic Crisis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiXwZI_YqHY
Today was a good day.
Today a war with an outcome no less serious than WWII was won by brave men that took a stand.
Today 228 heroes stood up in the House of Representatives and saved the United States Constitution.
Today 205 traitors tried to shred it, and turn the United States into a socialist state.
One voted “Present”.
It would be wise to remember the names of those 228 heroes, support their campaigns, and vote for them on election day.
It would be equally wise to remember the names of the 205 traitors that just tried to destroy the United States, come election day.
And it would be also be VERY wise to remember that people that vote “PRESENT” aren’t heroes, they’re just traitors that are too cowardly to go “on the record” as having taken a stand either way…
Colonel - sage advice. The Dems are screaming that “the sky is falling!”, but maybe it isn’t. If the matter were as dire as they claim, wouldn’t they work through Rosh Hashanah, instead of calling a recess? Hell, I’d work through Christmas if it was a matter of utter economic ruin.
It IS, however, a game of ‘chicken’. We all know Pelosi and Crew are the culprits here, and the bailout will provide them with political cover. The Republicans are not disposed to give them any. So the unpopular majority is caught between passing an unpopular bill along partisan lines (bad news for the Dems) and doing nothing (bad news for the Dems). Meanwhile, the Dow Jones is dropping, election day draws closer and closer, and the Feds are methodically pursuing the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac paper trail (and who doesn’t know where that’s going to lead?). Now, like John McCain, I don’t know a great deal about economics, but I know better than to believe Democrats - especially when they start fussing and fidgeting. There’s something not quite visible about to fall on them, and they know it. They stink of panic every time one of them comes to the camera.
You say that both sides will eventually blink; I think only one will.
JinnyB - Congressman Weller didn’t vote “present” - he didn’t vote at all, which means he wasn’t there. Sick? Family crisis? Who knows?
@first2fight - Thats not the right role call list is it? Some of the votes don’t look right.
This is the 3rd web site I have found this list. It has the title:
”
BILL TITLE: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide earnings assistance and tax relief to members of the uniformed services, volunteer firefighters, and Peace Corps volunteers, and for other purposes
‘
bitterclinger
I thought so too but the bill number matches up.
Sorry. It’s hard to find good information. The site I got the info from said one “abstain”. But the “PRESENT” part of the quote is too good to not use, even if it really was an “absent”, rather than an abstain. I’ll have to plead “incorrect but factual”, or whatever the term was….
Colonel1961
September 29th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Short term thinking will not help anything in any way. Anybody cashing out tomorrow? I hope not. Please, this is a short-term issue, with politics (per usual) exacerbating the situation, but, anyone who thinks this is the end of the world is off key.
Anyone with any cash - buy, buy, buy - the opportunity of a lifetime. Buy indices, mutuals, or whatever. You’ll have a five to seven percent return (or more) in a matter of weeks. Write it down.
I agree. What’s a better value for a 39 year old like me-Social Security or the stock market 25 years from now? Buy here, buy now, cash in later.
This was a classic case of Commicrat maneuvering – EVERY move in this politically partisan ballet was orchestrated by the Commicrats!
Calling McCain back to Washington because it was a crisis. When McCain gets there they ridicule him for “politicizing” the meetings (when in fact it was nObama that “mucked it up”).
When meeting this weekend, Nancy “San Fran Nanny” Pelosi told the Repubs to only send their reps, the Commicrats then overloaded the secret sessions with their own, then ran in front of the cameras proclaiming that the Repubs were “unpatriotic” for not showing up to held solve the crisis.
Pelosi arranges for a vote today – then makes public that she needs 100 Repubs to climb onboard to make it pass . . . when they already had the majority to pass it? Why . . . I will get to that later.
Before the vote she gets out on the House floor and takes one last opportunity to smear and besmirch Bush and the Republicans.
Now . . . why did Pelosi need 100 Repubs to push this through? To show that it was a bi-partisan vote? No . . . she kind of “deep 6ed” that one when she gave her “evil greedy Republican” diatribe before the vote. She needed 100 Republican votes to provide cover for the 100 or so of her comrades who are up for re-election. I was at work today I called my one lone congresswoman’s (Herseth-Sandlin) vote BEFORE it was even cast . . . I told my co-workers that she was going to vote against the bill . . . she is up for re-election in November. She voted no.
This whole stinkin’ fiasco, from the forcing banks to pass out mortgages to bad borrowers, then passing of the bad paper to Fannnie & Freddie, covering up the bad debt and attacking anyone who dared question these darling taxpayer backed, minority feed trough, Commicrat cash cows, right down to having the drive by media covering the whole mess up and at the same time twisting the truth to fool the people into blaming those greedy, evil, robber baron Republicans is all for helping to turn our country into a socialist state.
Even Helen Keller can see that the Commicrats never had any intention of solving this crisis . . . their only goal was to cover up their comrades’ mess and move our economy closer to a government run entity.
There is no such thing as a Democrat anymore! The days of “Ask not what your country can do for you . . . ask what you can do for your country” Democrats are dead. There are only socialists pretending to be Democrats. That is why from now on I will never again call them Democrats. Their real identity is closer to a communist . . . or as I now refer to them as Commicrats!
I am not an innocent bystander in all of this with nothing at stake here . . . I too have lost a bundle in my 401K. But I also remember what happened back in the 80’s. I am sure I not the only one who remembers how the greed and incompetence were rewarded with the 20 Billion dollar Savings & Loan Bailout. What did that bring us? Fannie and Freddie! How much will it cost us NEXT TIME?
I say this is where there needs to be a line drawn in the sand; it is time to say “We won’t get fooled again!” History is not kind to those who do not stand up to adversity.
To borrow a phrase from another blogger I read today . . . “I would rather lose my 401K than my country!”
I wonder. Udall (D) NM voted “no.” Figures, as he is in a tough campaign against Pearce (NM) for the Senate seat being vacated by Dominici (R). Pearce has been using the Neo-Soviet Udall’s ultra left voting record in the House to beat him about the head and neck. The seat is a conservative one.
Wilson (R) NM voted “Si”. She is eliminated by virtue of her hubris in running in the primary against Pearce. He is in fact a solid, country loving Conservative. She on the other had has been suspect as secretly liberal and is in fact a Carpet Bagger. So her true self shows with a vote that is anti-capitalist, anti-individualist, neo-soviet manure.
As regards NM, we will send a much more conservative Senator to replace Dominici. We will send a very conservative replacement for Wilson. We will replace Pearce with a solid conservative. Udall who also forfeited his House seat to run for Dominici’s vacancy will be replace by another hopeless neo-sov.
(When Obama loses the country will be spared the debacle of another term of Bill Richardson mismanaging another crucial Department.)
We’re doing our best here, folks.
Chins up! This is really working to the Conservative Agenda!
Here is the Proposed $700 Bill Bailout Bill in it’s 110 page entirety:
http://online.wsj.com/public/r.....080928.pdf
Started out, I hear, as a 3 page memo…
I am wayyy too tired to read it tonight.
Paulson must resign — there are too many conflicts of interest and he’s too close to the failed bill.
To immediately deal with this “crisis”, which we were told ten days ago would lead to the end of the world tomorrow, (1) the SEC can suspend mark-to-market accounting and (2) the administration can direct the IRS to change rules on bringing US corp funds (hundreds of billions of dollars) onshore without incurring exorbitant taxes.
But….there’s mounting evidence from the Fed that the credit crunch isn’t emerging….I guess that astroid missed us after all.
For all of you who “lost a fortune in the market”: you only lose when you sell, unless you’re employing the same faulty mark-to-market accounting that got us into this mess.
Now, let me get this straight: As told by the democrats, Bush is an idiot, a flaming a-hole, a dunce. His administration is a failure, filled with cronies and good-old boys. Couldn’t do anything right in eight years. He appointed Henry Paulson as the treasury secretary, Ben Bernake as the chairman of the Fed. They’re “his’ guys. And now… suddenly… the democrats are desperately voting for his admin’s bail-out plan?!? They’re all on board, lined up, marching to Bush’s drum, kissing his and trying to cover their asses. Pelosi’s carrying Bush’s water. Pelosi is on her knees. Suddenly the dems think his admin is golden; has all the answers! And now they’re screaming to the high heavens that the Republicans in Congress aren’t cooperating? What’s wrong with this picture! Are they kidding! Somebody should point this out to Pelosi, Frank and Dodd. Somebody should point this out to the general public - dems selling out to the hated Bush.
After 8 years of the dems knocking the legs out from under this administration, now they’re wondering why they can’t get any credible traction. LOL. 95 dems voted against. Good job, Pelosi.
… What goes around comes around …
because the media is firmly in the obama camp, and because the GOP is lacking a leader who understands the gravity of fighting for what they believe in, and because the democrats in congress are hell bent on taking complete control to push their socialism onto a crippled America….
we wont see a damn thing about who is responsible for this mess. We wont see any Republican take the forefront and tell the American people just how badly they are being conned by democrat leaders. we wont be able to fight back, legally anyway…..and we, as conservatives, will be picked off one by one, until their is a silence…..a palpable silence of our values.
I am not going to turn on the television for another week. The Colonel gives sage advice. I am disgusted with seeing socialism winning….and the absolute lack of a backbone from Republicans in Congress. I cant stand to see people with the actual ability to change things around runnning and hiding under their desks for whatever reason they are afraid to speak out.
We need a leader. Not what we have now. Whoever is in charge of the McCain campaign needs to resign immediately. Let someone who knows how to fight back lead instead. Whoever is responsible for the lackluster and wholly misguided campaign now should be working for Obama instead. Hell, they are giving Obama a great lead doing what they are doing~! Get out…put in a fighter.
Thanks to Sooie. I have read that steaming turd of a bill. This is a mess that will cost us way to much in the long run. I hope this one does not pass either.
I seen a few loopholes. Page 40 dont look good to me an around line 22. An page 68. An now the the last thing that bothers me is all the boards an committees an who is appointing them to such a job just for us. ( The tax payers )
I hope someone else reads this an give a summery of this to ease my pain..
We were talking about this today at work. Someone said, “We can’t just do nothing.” Someone else said, “Why not?” And the place went silent. Then he added, “Why not let the market “right” itself?” Then I was reminded of something P. J. O’Rourke once said. I paraphrase but it was something like … stopping the government from taking action is like preventing a bear from eating your baby.
Dear President Bush,
comments@whitehouse.gov
This is an open email being sent to you, and everyone else in the U.S.
government.
I guess our good Senators, and the rest of our ELECTED government
officials JUST DON’T GET THE MESSAGE - the one that was sent by the
House vote.
NO BAILOUT.
Not in any form.
Not under any circumstances.
Not by any name Whatsoever.
Not NOW, and not EVER!
Not just “NO”, but “HELL NO!”
And certainly not until after Paulson, ex Wall-Street CEO, who has a 700
million dollar conflict of interest, and brings in AIG cronies to work
on bailing out AIG, steps down or is FIRED. HE IS TAINTED, right along
with all the other criminals that run the U.S. House of Representatives.
If you want any bill to pass, IF THIS IS TRULY SUCH A CRISIS, the first
step is to FIRE PAULSON, or have him to STEP DOWN. The next step would
be to put McCain and Palin on the stage, together, explaining why.
You, Paulson, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank, Reid and every other House Democrat
HAS LOST ALL CREDIBILITY OUT HERE ON MAIN STREET by attempting to shred
our Constitution.
WE THE PEOPLE do NOT support this bailout.
If John McCain votes to support either the Dodd amendment to HR 1424, or
HR 1424 itself I will not vote for him, and I will NEVER VOTE
Republican again.
Everyone needs to get this through their heads - 80% of the people in
the United States ACTIVELY OPPOSE this bill in ANY FORM. And, yes, we
are quite aware of the consequences, and prepared to pay the price to
avoid having our Constitution shredded. If ANYONE IN WASHINGTON
actually works for “We the People” people, they will oppose this
shredding of our Constitution.
Will you people in Washington get this through your heads:
NO BAILOUT - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, or by ANY NAME. We completely
understand the consequences, and are willing to accept them to save this
country and our Constitution. And if you are really so interested in
destroying the Republican Party - keep making those 9:00 a.m. TV
appearances and trying to scare the market. You are making us ABSOLUTELY
FURIOUS. You are MANUFACTURING this crisis.
NO ONE OUT HERE TRUSTS EITHER YOU, PELOSI, DODD, FRANK, REID, or
PAULSON. You have ZERO credibility. If you want this bailout to pass,
you’d better get McCain and Palin together on TV, explaining why, after
FIRING Mr. Paulson - the Wall Street CEO with so much at stake, so many
irons in the fire, so desperate to “fix” this “crisis”. WE DO NOT
BELIEVE YOU.
WE do not buy the “credit and liquidity” nonsense. WE can see that is
blatantly and patently FALSE.
We don’t care that people “won’t be able to buy new cars unless they
have good credit”.
We don’t care that people “won’t be able to buy washers and driers
without good credit”.
We don’t care that “people won’t be able to get student loans without
having good credit”.
We DON’T BELIEVE that businesses will close down, only BAD ONES.
WE DON”T BELIEVE ANY OF THIS AND COULD NOT CARE LESS, EVEN IF THEY WERE
TRUE.
SOUND banks and credit Unions don’t seem to have a problem lending money
to GOOD credit risks. The American Dollar is strong and is literally
crushing the Euro. The price of oil is dropping. And you appear to
want to FIX SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BROKEN, EXTINGUISH THE “FLAMES” BY
PUTTING ARSONISTS IN CHARGE OF PUTTING OUT THE FIRE.
Honestly, we don’t care about ANY OTHER of the absurd and utterly
ridiculous explanations and cautions that have been put forth. You’re
making this all sound like “Can I get me a huntin license, yuck, yuck.”
LET ME REITERATE - YOU’RE MAKING US ALL COMPLETELY FURIOUS BY TALKING
DOWN TO US IN THIS FASHION. You need to let Freddie and Fannie go
bankrupt, and prosecute EVERY crooked politician that took EVER TOOK
money from them - which covers just about every Democrat there is,
doesn’t it?
End of story. Period.
I am an American, Taxpaying, Republican voter
and I approve this message.
I sent the following email to my congresscritter: “Sir,
Thank you for not voting for the bailout bill. Unfortunately, many of your Senate associates and Colleagues in the house need emergency spine transplant surgery, so they could actually vote as conservatives. I am sure that you already understand that I do NOT support ANY bailout whatsoever. I implore you to vote against this horribly wrong bill that your associates in the Senate are attempting to foist on the taxpayers.
Because of your past fiscal responsible actions, I will continue to support you.
vr
your constituent.”
Feel free to edit, cut, paste and send it to your congresscritter.
Holy Cow! I just saw the list: One of my former state Senators voted for it- Coburn (R-OK). I thought he was suppossed to be all about being fiscally responsible! What happened? Does the good Dr need to perform a spine transplant on himself?