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The Left Still Hopes To Curtail Self Defense Laws

From some outraged reporters from The Hill:

Obama, Holder powerless to end states’ ‘stand your ground’ legislation

By Ben Goad and Julian Hattem | July 20, 2013 

President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have little if any power to compel states to dial back "stand your ground" laws the two have criticized in the wake of George Zimmerman’s acquittal in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. 

While the Justice Department may review the case and could seek civil rights charges against Zimmerman, experts say the federal government has little recourse with the stand your ground laws themselves.

“There’s little the Department of Justice can do," UCLA law professor Adam Winkler told The Hill.

"States are allowed to have their own criminal laws, including self-defense laws,” Winker said.  “DOJ may be able to pursue civil rights charges in individual cases, but it has no authority to overturn state laws.”

Apparently, Mr. Winker has never heard of Obama’s use of executive orders.

The stand your ground laws in two dozen states around the country have come under national scrutiny in the wake of last week’s acquittal of Zimmerman, a volunteer neighborhood watchman, in Martin’s shooting death.

In fact, there are 30 states with Stand Your Ground laws. And three more are in the process of adopting them.

Following the verdict, the Justice Department announced it would consider bringing a federal civil rights case against Zimmerman, and on Friday President Obama said that the laws need to be examined to see whether they “encourage” violence.

“If we’re sending a message as a society in our communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms even if there’s a way for them to exit from a situation, is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we’d like to see?” Obama said during a surprise appearance in the White House briefing room…

How was Mr. Zimmerman supposed to exit? He was lying flat on his back on the sidewalk, being straddled and pounded by Trayvon.

But Obama’s (uninformed) remarks also point up the biggest myth about Stand Your Ground. It is not a new legal concept. It is as old as the right to defend yourself. Which is one of the most basic tenets of law.

The real "new" concept is the so-called "Duty To Retreat." Which the Left only invented in the last few years. And it is a major cause in the increase in home invasions in urban areas.

The administration’s options may get a boost from an investigation launched by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in May on the laws in Florida, South Carolina and Michigan. “We’re just in the data-gathering phase right now,” explained the commission’s staff director, Marlene Sallo.

“Once the data is gathered, then we’ll do an analysis and try to ascertain whether there was possible racial bias as the laws were administered – the stand your ground laws – at the states that we plan on looking at,” she said…

Gee, we wonder how that will turn out? (Hint: They will undoubtedly find racial bias in how the laws are administered.)

The administration’s inability to rein in the stand your ground statutes is reminiscent of President Obama’s push to reform gun laws in the aftermath of December’s elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn…

Yes. How terrible Mr. Obama couldn’t ride that tragedy into creating more gun control laws that would be ignored by criminals and psychopaths. But that would make it that much harder for law-abiding people to defend themselves.

Despite long odds, members of the Congressional Black Caucus are drawing up a series of bills in response to Zimmerman’s acquittal, including legislation offering financial incentives to states that repeal stand your ground laws…

How perfect. Use taxpayers’ money to try to overcome the express will of the taxpayers.

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Monday, July 22nd, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

7 Responses to “The Left Still Hopes To Curtail Self Defense Laws”

  1. Rusty Shackleford

    What’s most despicable is that the media is brazenly attempting to rewrite how the events occurred in the confrontation. They have put out that Z “stalked” M when there is no supporting evidence to that. They initially tried to misrepresent what Z said, a couple of times and got caught at it and the president and Holder are ginning up racial unrest, which really hasn’t had all that much effect.

    Kind of reminds me of those scenes in movies where the henchmen are being egged on by the mastermind criminal but they stop listening to him.

    If anything, it’s been a real eye-opener about the mechanization of socialism and how the ideologues would love for it to work versus how a population responds to it. I’ve said it before that Americans, having the free will to think for themselves, often do so in most interesting ways. Surprising, even.

    The “expected” rioting and utter urban destruction didn’t happen. “Hundreds” turned out. In Newport News, VA…the number was a couple of dozen.

    Perhaps there’s still hope that, in spite of everything, people can still recognize crap when they hear it. I still go down to the lawnmower shop where there are blacks and whites alike and we all seem to get along and ….of most interesting noteworthiness, the Zimmerman/Martin trial has never been discussed. Not when the shooting occurred, not during the trial, not now. And this is rural South Carolina.

    Maybe people who have lives have more to talk about that’s important, to include the excessive rain we’re getting, to the heat, to the cost of things in today’s economy.

    So, Mr Obama, Mr Holder and all you in DC and elsewhere who want to foment racial hatred….go stuff it in your sock; We’re not buying any here.

  2. Astravogel

    Wow! States are allowed to have their own laws?
    Who knew? I like the emphasis on ‘allowed’ also.
    What a mind set these folks have.

  3. Few people in the South are unarmed.

    We have not forgotten what Washington represents.

  4. If stand your ground (which has NOTHING to do with this case) actually means (as stated by our Attorney General) that if you CAN run away, you SHOULD run away… then why didn’t Trayvon run away?

  5. yadayada

    according to the skin hustlers, tray had the right to stand his ground, but Zimmerman should have retreated. never mind that neither was doing anything wrong until trayvon violated Zimmerman’s rights by physically assaulting and battering him. both of which are mid to high level (depending on resulting injury) misdemeanors in Florida. until he began hitting Zimmerman’s head on sidewalk. that is aggravated battery, a felony in most states (which are ALLOWED to make their own laws).

  6. Enthalpy

    Our President is disgraceful. His comment in the briefing room is not the issue. He said, “If we’re sending a message as a society in our communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms even if there’s a way for them to exit from a situation, is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we’d like to see?” Citizens should not be placed in positions where they have to flee or retreat. Home invaders should all know that their life is at risk when the break and enter into someone’s home. Home owners-all of us- should never give up our constitutional right of self defense. We must never lose sight of the fact that progressives of the left and right have in large measure helped create this cesspool we see all around us.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      Clearly, this is why Barry never tried a case in his whole life because his beliefs and imaginings trump the evidence-at-hand.

      He’s trying very hard to insert himself into the narrative for a couple of reasons.

      1) He’s a committed angry black man who desperately needs his street-cred established. It’s a kind of juvenile group-ensemble attribute whereby the hanger-on, knowing he’s never been involved in any of the civil-rights “struggle” wants so much to be included in the issue. I’m the same age as mr you-didn’t-build-that and I was so very glad to NOT be involved with that age-group.

      2) His ego cannot handle not being the center of attention in the news cycle. His desires is driven by the false notion that if he’s in the news, he’s respected. It dovetails nicely into #1 above. For the absolute narcissist, attention=good, ignoring=bad.

      3) His lack of ability, combined with his sense of justice, for lack of a better term, causes him to whine incessantly. He screeches the loudest when he believes some injustice has occurred and he is perhaps the most emotionally-driven president since LBJ who was known for his tantrums, his sexual “needs” that his wife strangely put up with and his yelling tirades. Obama is not that different, and his unguided anger (because he’s never truly known nor acknowledged what he’s angry about) causes him to act oddly and illogically. Those attributes are dead give-aways to an emotionally unstable individual. Hate to say it but Hitler was very similar, as was Mussolini and most every other tin-plated dictator. Thankfully the US system still marginally works and prevent his tantrums from doing anything more than annoying people instead of carting people into rail-cars to be hauled off to a gulag where they are “disappeared”.

      Nope, this man-child has serious problems with his past and his issues were never closed. He never found a way, nor tried to learn how to get closure for his anger and past issues that ride him. He is not in control of his emotions and the environment in which he he attempts to function is as unhealthy as can be. He’s a mistake, an error, an anomaly that we all have to put up with before the nation can start all over and repair itself.

      He’s “Much ado about nothing”.




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