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Bloody Muslim Ashura Festival - Child Abuse

This is an article from the UK’s New Statesman from a year and a half ago, but it is fitting we should post it during this year’s Ashura festivities:

A Pakistani Shiite Muslim looks for an appropriate set of knives he will use on Ashura Day, in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on Friday, Feb. 18, 2005.

Scars on the backs of the young

Shiv Malik

06 June 2005

Muslim children as young as six are still being allowed to beat themselves with knives on the end of chains. It is illegal, yet the police are not keen to prosecute. Would other religions get away with it?

It was supposed to be a routine doctor’s appointment. Mrs Abbas wanted someone at a hospital in north London to take a look at the rash under her son’s arms. But when the doctor asked 14-year-old Firoz to take off his shirt, he noticed something far more worrying. Criss-crossed on Firoz’s back were more than 50 lacerations. The doctor asked for an explanation. Mrs Abbas said that Firoz had inflicted the wounds himself during a religious ceremony; there was nothing to worry about. The doctor called in the child protection agency.

Through interviewing the family, a joint police and social services investigation team found that Firoz had made the lacerations by whipping himself with a zanjeer - a long chain with a set of curved knives attached at the end - as part of a flagellation ritual at the Idara-e-Jaaferiya mosque in Tooting, an area of Wandsworth, south London. The ritual, known as "zanjeer zani" or "zanjeer matam", was part of the Shia Muslim festival of Ashura, marked at the mosque every year.

The investigation team also discovered that Firoz’s scars had built up over eight years. He had started using a zanjeer when he was seven. His brothers Hanif and Ijaz, who were 12 and nine at the time of the investigation in 2003, had also participated in the ceremony; they, too, had dozens of knife scars on their backs.

At the Abbas family home, officers found video footage that the family had shot during the ceremony in 2002. Spaced well apart in a circle and beating themselves with zanjeers were the two eldest sons, Firoz and Hanif. But they were not the only children involved: the film showed sons from other families flagellating with the same instrument. According to a report by the Crown Prosecution Service (which was asked by the investigation team to give formal advice), the youngest child at that particular ceremony was just six years old.

While children inflicted "considerable blows" on themselves, adult relatives interfered only to stop the older males causing themselves "excessive injury" having "reached a state of frenzy". Mr Abbas was shown participating alongside his sons. As the CPS report puts it, he gestured support and did not intervene: "The apparent image is that of the younger boys trying to emulate the men."

This was not a one-off incident in a single area; it is a national issue. In the past few years, there have been similar cases in Bradford and Blackburn, also involving teenagers and children as young as ten. The commemorative festival of Ashura is central to the identity of Shia Muslims…

The ritual of flagellation with zanjeers is contentious within the Shia world. According to one of the UK’s most prominent Shia religious organisations, the Khoei Foundation, the matam ceremony is "neither obligatory nor recommended . . . it is merely permissible". In other words, it is not mandated by religious authority. In its advice to the investigative team, the foundation ruled that children under the age of 18 should not practise matam with a zanjeer. Those who refused to accept that advice would risk tarnishing the reputation of Britain’s Shia community - or, to quote the foundation: "When the use of zanjeer by children who are below the age of consent is illegal, the Muslim community has to make it clear that it is an obligation on parents to prevent children from participating, otherwise they themselves will face the legal consequences that may arise." …

Letting children self-flagellate with knives on the ends of chains is an offence under Section 1(1) of the Children and Young Persons Act 1933 - one of wilful neglect in a manner likely to cause a child unnecessary suffering or injury. The opinion of the CPS was that it was possible to prosecute. The photographic and video evidence would help to show that the parents were neglectful. However, there were also problems. If the children did not want to give evidence against their parents, the authorities would have to rely on third-party evidence alone such as the medical report and the photographic and video evidence. That wasn’t all. The CPS did not consider it in the public interest to prosecute. "The parents had co-operated fully," it said, "and in fact it was their co-operation which [had] then helped to stamp out this practice among children at the Tooting mosque."

Detective Superintendent Chris Bourlet, who was responsible for the Abbas case as deputy head of the Metropolitan Police’s Child Protection Command, explains why his unit chose to work with the community. "The last thing [we] wanted to do was to police mosques and people’s homes. It’s impracticable, and you don’t want to do that anyway," he says. "What we want is the community to take on this issue themselves. We can help support them. But the last thing we want to be doing is policing faiths, because it’s just not our role. Our role is to protect children." …

"Years ago, agencies were not aware of the ceremony," he says. "The Shia community had to understand that it is a child protection issue and [they] have taken on board some basic principles. We don’t want to send it underground. It is always going to be sensitive, but we can’t use that as an excuse to cover up the issue."

However, not all agencies are giving out the same child protection message. West Yorkshire Police refused to talk about a case that occurred in Bradford during the Ashura ceremony this year, except to confirm that an incident involving a ten-year-old boy was reported on 21 February. An employee of West Yorkshire Police who does not wish to be named said it was decided, at the end of the investigation, that the boy was old enough to decide whether to flagellate or not. The decision reveals a discrepancy at the national level: while a child would find it very hard to participate in zanjeer matam in London, he could travel to Bradford and do it there instead…

Another question that arises is what the authorities would do if such a ritual were carried out by, say, British pagans. It is hard to imagine that it would be dealt with in the same way. Surely a crime is a crime. Should the law make exceptions for certain types of belief?

The issue of zanjeer matam also challenges the notion that, over time, minority communities will automatically take on the value system of the majority. The use of zanjeers has been going on among Shias for hundreds of years, but until very recently no one seemed to think the ritual would be practised in Britain by second - and third-generation children. Yet it is, and as openly in this country as in India, Pakistan or Iraq. On the one hand, it perhaps shows how cut off some communities are from the mainstream. On the other hand, it maybe proves yet again that faith, culture and tradition - those foundation stones of society - are never easily shifted.

The article asks a good question.

What other religion would be allowed to get away with this?

(Thanks to Papa Ray for the heads up.)

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45 Responses to “Bloody Muslim Ashura Festival - Child Abuse”

  1. choosesomething

    I guess somehow it’s not as damaging as a Priest getting a nut with a boy. We need a rule book for what were supposed to allow and be deeply offended by…..

  2. Privatestock

    The rule book would probably be written by the ACLU and would say nothing is offensive unless it is done by a white male. So let’s scrap the rule book idea.

    This article is another example of how desperately we need to stop the flow of people infected with this disease into our country. If you are outraged by this and do or say nothing, you’re part of the problem. It is NOT racist to be against islam. It’s simple common sense. It’s inhuman to not be against it.

  3. 1sttofight

    The libs are silent on this yet they love to make fun of the very small number of Christians who handle snakes.

  4. Privatestock

    They are silent on everything that makes them hypocrites. And since the media is in bed with them, nobody every hears about this stuff unless they go looking for it. Which is why sites like this are SO important to America’s future.

  5. 1sttofight

    The mother is concerned about a rash but her son’s flayed back is no problem? Good Grief Gerdy…

  6. mathews

    Where do I get these knives in Portland, Oregon? It’s about time to start on my children. ( just kidding kids).

  7. 1sttofight

    Go to Seattle, I am sure you can find them there.

    Wonder why the anti-war crowd doesn’t do this?
    It would be a sure fire way to get attention.
    Oh wait, it is painful. Never mind.

  8. CLynn

    The last two pictures broke my heart. Can someone tell me what has happened to this child, because he does not seem to be crying. Do they poor blood over them for some insane reason?
    Damn, I can’t believe that people actually live this way and accept it as something they are supposed to do by law.
    Errrr…Makes me so angry.
    Carrie

  9. sheehanjihad

    and this is what the democrats are voting for? This? Liberals are swooning with delight as a small child is mutilated, and brainwashed into becoming the future martyr his parents want him to be. Sick bastards…and we have elected officials talking to these people? I cannot wait until they get that final tune up islam is saving for all it’s “useful idiots”. At least I will die trying to defend this country….and not die because I trusted the lunatic psychos I sold it to…..does anyone remember Petain? Or Quisling? Or Kerry? Scum traitors used to be rare….now they control the house and senate. And people call me extreme…..

  10. 1sttofight

    SJ,
    What is the difference between a dead democrat and a live one?

  11. sheehanjihad

    ok 1st…what, live democrats dont vote more than twice?

  12. 1sttofight

    There you go, dead dems can vote many times.

    Boys and girls, I am getting really pissed.
    First the police let the scumbags spraypaint the capital steps while the are watching and now this bull shit?
    It is time to take this country back.

  13. sheehanjihad

    hahahahaha, I figured it had to have something to do with how the democrats cheat, lie and steal their way into election successes…..

  14. 1sttofight

    we are expecting up to 2 inches of snow in the morning here in NE Ala.. Good thing I went to the liquor store and grocery store today. ;)

  15. mathews

    1sttofight, Remember your snow in the deep south is a result of global warming.

  16. 1sttofight

    Tell that GW crap to my Rotweiller. She is really pissed. She was trying to take a nap on the porch today but the damn cats kept snuggiling up to her. She don’t like that, but she knows better than to kill them.

  17. Lurkin_no_mo

    The “priest” that gets the nut with the altar boy gets to go to prison. He is also an authority figure, not the parent of the child. Parents have an inherrent duty to protect their kids.
    Liberals think this kind of mooslimb crap is cool…diversity don’t ya know. But to them all other forms of religion are nothing but brain washing.

  18. Privatestock

    CLynn, what you’re seeing there is the father slicing his son’s head above the hairline. The kid’s probably already so used to seeing blood that he’s not freaked out like a normal person would be.

    This is actually mild compared to a lot of what goes on in the muslim world. Ever hear of FGM (Female Genital Mutilation or female circumcision)? It’s the removal of the prepuce and/or clitoris, usually done to young girls. It’s common in Egypt (85-95% of Egyptian girls) and several other countries. Blood and pain and suffering is all these people can relate to.

  19. rocketman

    1st - check this out:
    A friend of mine (Maj US Army Ret) sent a message to SanFran Nan complaining about the spray painting, This was her response:

    On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:13:54 -0500 “Rep. Nancy Pelosi”
    writes:
    > Thank you for contacting my office.
    >
    > Congressional courtesy prevents me from replying to e-mails if I
    > cannot
    > determine that you are a constituent of mine.
    >
    > If you are not a resident of California’s 8th Congressional District
    > and
    > are contacting me in regard to my role as Speaker, please e-mail me
    > at
    > AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov.
    >
    > If you are a resident of the 8th District of California, please
    > contact my
    > office in Washington, DC at (202) 225-4965 to be added to our
    > database

    My friend’s responsed to that with this:

    Dear Madam:

    American public courtesy and the Constitution allows US Citizens to
    contact you as the Speaker of the House. It is your actions regarding
    your orders to allow the police to let the demonstrators desecrate US
    Property without restraint, that will now cost the government a lot of
    money to clean up that I was writing to you about the first time. I
    also
    sent is to this e-mail address so I do not understand why you are
    confused. No, I an not a constituent of California, but I have many
    relatives and friends who are. I can assure you that they are as
    disappointed with your lack of responsible action in this instance as
    well. Perhaps your staff remove the e-mail address I originally
    provided
    to you so that you would not know if I was a constituent or not. I
    hope
    this is not an omen of the kind of responsibility, or lack thereof,
    that
    you are going to demonstrate as the new speaker of the house. But this
    is certainly not very encouraging.

    Sincerely,
    (name redacted by rocketman)

    Maybe we all should show a little “courtesy” towards duh speaker and see how she handles it. What do ya think??

  20. 1sttofight

    Works for me rocketman, Also ask her why she flat out lied about the min wage on Somoa.

  21. doingwhatican

    Muslims are the spore of the beast sent here to test the mettle of Christians and Jews.

  22. Privatestock

    Either that or mohammed was the anti-christ and this is all leading up to Christians having to denounce their faith or die….

  23. JUSTICE

    umm did u ask maybe….. I DUNNO why they hurt themselves u only look for weak points never good u ppl should be ashamed making anti racisim comercial and posting this crap how wud u feel if we did that P.S this site sux

  24. DEZ

    Ok, Why do they hurt themselves?
    Oh yes, I remember now, Islam.
    Now, Go chew on a gun barrel.

  25. 1sttofight

    One word JUSTICE,

    spellcheck.com

    BTW, How old are you, 12?

  26. sheehanjihad

    justice is one of those miscreants who think everybody spells in “internet”. That little pumpkin is in for a big surprise once he tries to leave Burger King for the real world, so of course, he will become an “activist”, and not have to work, and accept mediocrity for excellence so he wont have to put forth any effort.

    Dumpster divers like justice abound in America…as evidenced by our current Congress….and hopefully, he will try to see how many times he can spin the cylinder on his pappy’s revolver with one bullet in it to impress his malcotte wannabe girlfriend, and he wont be able to produce anymore “justices” to infect society in the future.

    what a little dork….pathetic example of what we have to “lead” us down the pike. Hell, I even feel sorry for the terrorists if this is what they face.

  27. Stealthkix

    Why do people keep calling it racism? Islam isn’t a race. Unless you consider it a race to see who can end the world first.

    (hint: the winner is which ever one of them gets nuclear weapons first)

  28. Warmonger Infidel

    JUSTICE….since you apparently speak in tongues that no one else understands….let me be the first to speak in initials to you…..STFU. When you learn how to write a lucid sentence, come back and see us.

  29. Terah

    I find it very sad that people would jump to the conclusion that practising one’s faith is horrific and barbaric just because these particular people are Muslim. What they are celebrating is Ashoura, the martyrdom of Ali Hussain. The religious event commemorates the Battle of Karbala, when, in 680 A.D., Mohammad’s grandson, Abu Abdullah Hussain, along his family and followers, were slaughtered by forces loyal to the corrupt governor of Damascus. This is the time of confession and forgiveness of sins.
    There are still some old school Catholic priests that perform self-flagellation, or whipping themselves with a cat-o-nine tails, to keep themselves pure and drive sin away.
    The small cut you saw on the child’s forehead was made as part of Ashoura, to make the blood run. It and the flagellation, the cuts on the backs, and the blood running as a result, is a symbol and reminder of their grief of Hussein’s death and martyrdom when he and his family was slaughtered.
    Perhaps if you understood more, you might judge less.
    Some think that eating bread and wine that has been trans-substantiated into the body and blood of Christ is rather strange itself, as are the rituals during Holy Week.

  30. BillK

    There’s just a little bit of difference between a priest practicing self-flagellation and cutting a child’s forehead to “make the blood run,” regardless of the reason.

    Now if such a thing were a Christian tradition, I guarantee you’d see the practitioners hauled off to prison before you finished reading this post.

  31. Terah

    And if you want to bash Muslims by bringing up female circumcision, you should know your facts.

    About 6,000 girls fall victim to genital mutilation every day, or about 2 million a year. The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that between 100 and 140 million women worldwide are circumcised. Most circumcised women live in 28 African countries. According to UNICEF, at least 90 percent of all women are circumcised in developing countries like Ethiopia, Sudan, Djibouti, Somalia and Sierra Leone, while almost no women are circumcised in Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    WHO distinguishes among four types of genital mutilation:
    * Type I, or “clitorectomy”: Excision of the skin surrounding the clitoris with or without excision of part or all of the clitoris
    * Type II, or “excision”: Removal of the entire clitoris and part or all of the labia minora
    * Type III, or “infibulation”: Removal of part or all of the external genitalia and stitching together of the vaginal orifice, leaving only a small opening
    * Type IV: Various other practices, including pricking, piercing, incision and tearing of the clitoris.

    Women have been circumcised for thousands of years, and the custom has become deeply ingrained in human thought. Tradition demands that women be circumcised, and it is often the women themselves who wish to continue this ritual, partly to prevent sexual desire in girls. Indeed, an uncircumcised girl is considered worthless on the marriage market in many places because she is perceived as being “impure” and “loose.”

    Although circumcision is often justified for supposedly religious reasons, there is no religious justification for the practice in either Christianity or Islam.

  32. sheehanjihad

    terah….Islam is the only religion that practices murder as a way to eternal life. No other religion today openly demands it’s followers kill everyone who is not muslim wherever they find them, nor is any other religion openly sworn to eliminate the western society they see as unclean.

    Try as you may, bashing muslims is a misnomer…..we are pointing out literally every point of a religion that considers suicide acceptable, murder as a way of life, torture, maiming, imprisonment, and subjugation of it’s adherents as somehow “normal”.

    This wouldnt be an issue if Islam kept to itself. If Islam didnt force conversion at the point of a gun, or a beheading for some inferred insult to the religion.

    The fact is…muslims are on the march…they are sworn to world domination. This isnt bashing…this is what THEY SAY! There are two kinds of muslims….those who are going to try and kill you, and the rest who wont do anything to stop them.

    Until Islam becomes the religion of peace, instead of the cult of death and darkness….we will continue to point this out to readers. Bashing doesnt begin to cover it. Prudent observation of the world’s largest threat to existence does. you will learn this someday. Maybe.

  33. DEZ

    Ok Terah, The medication has worn off.
    Take the pill with the blue barrel, That’s right open wide.

  34. sheehanjihad

    trolls come in all shapes and sizes, dont they DEZ?

  35. DEZ

    Um, Im not sure about shapes or sizes?
    Damn SJ, am I a lil troll?

  36. sheehanjihad

    Nah DEZ , you are a troll’s worst nightmare.

  37. DEZ

    Hmmm SJ, I still may be a fool.
    Our freind did a lot of digging before posting. Bah

    Shes a lil juiced up, And they cut out her tw…
    Ooops, Songs are SJ territory. ;-)

  38. sheehanjihad

    LOL!! DEZ, You daisy you!

  39. sheehanjihad

    I gotta be up at dark thirty though, so everyone get along, and I will see you at 4am!

  40. 1sttofight

    Have a good night SJ.

  41. DEZ

    Something tells me SJ knew the last letters, LMAO.
    Sleep well my freinds.

  42. Terah

    hey hey hey…. *raspberry*

    and it is a peaceful religion. it is only the jacka** extremists that ruin it for everyone else.

    I’m really sick of those guys. and now they have Moqtada al-Sadr trying to create unification by telling them to just go against Americans and stop fighting each other (Sunni vs Shi’a)

  43. DEZ

    Ok now you have my attention, Mmmmm raspberry, And Ok blueberry.
    nite all.

  44. bernieg1

    I doubt we would tolerate Aztecs sacrificing virgins in the Western World - why we tolerate equally barbaric and primitive religions like Islam is a mystery to me.

    OT and BTW and FYI: I used your photo in my article Top 13 Posts to Oct 1 2007. Let me know if you have any problem with this.

  45. J_accuse

    Well if it’s their religion, then that makes it all OK.
    NOT.
    And there seem to be quite a few Muslims who practice Ashura…so that throws the whole ‘peaceful religion’ thing into considerable doubt.


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