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		<title>By: Gila Monster</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-119146</link>
		<dc:creator>Gila Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the uninformed masses out there, (aka libtards), hacking into someones e-mail, be it personal, business or governmental, isn&#039;t considered a &quot;high school kids prank&quot; or a reason for moral relativism by aging hippies or indoctrinated college students.  
There &lt;b&gt;really is&lt;/b&gt; a serious reason why the FBI is investigating this.  Illicit hacking is considered a &lt;b&gt;felony&lt;/b&gt; Federal offense under Title 18, Chapters 119 and 121 of the US Code punishable by hefty fines and up to five years for the first offense and up to ten years for subsequent convictions.

http://tinyurl.com/534llj
http://tinyurl.com/4skl5r

Both statutes also allow civil action to recover monetary damages regardless of criminal prosecution.
Laugh it up now libtards but don&#039;t be surprised when, and if, the Feds decide to prosecute this snot-nosed a**wipe, they may indeed throw the book at him.  
I truly hope they make an example of him in order to dissuade future stupidity by others of his ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the uninformed masses out there, (aka libtards), hacking into someones e-mail, be it personal, business or governmental, isn&#8217;t considered a &#8220;high school kids prank&#8221; or a reason for moral relativism by aging hippies or indoctrinated college students.<br />
There <b>really is</b> a serious reason why the FBI is investigating this.  Illicit hacking is considered a <b>felony</b> Federal offense under Title 18, Chapters 119 and 121 of the US Code punishable by hefty fines and up to five years for the first offense and up to ten years for subsequent convictions.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/534llj" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/534llj</a><br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/4skl5r" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4skl5r</a></p>
<p>Both statutes also allow civil action to recover monetary damages regardless of criminal prosecution.<br />
Laugh it up now libtards but don&#8217;t be surprised when, and if, the Feds decide to prosecute this snot-nosed a**wipe, they may indeed throw the book at him.<br />
I truly hope they make an example of him in order to dissuade future stupidity by others of his ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: Exeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane:

This is a portion of Michelle Malkin&#039;s posting on the subject &lt;b&gt;(f-bomb warning):&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;The story behind the Palin e-mail hacking&lt;/b&gt;
By Michelle Malkin  •  September 17, 2008 07:31 PM

This is what rubico said:

rubico 09/17/08(Wed)12:57:22 No.85782652 

Hello, /b/ as many of you might already know, last night sarah palin’s yahoo was “hacked” and caps were posted on /b/, i am the lurker who did it, and i would like to tell the story.

In the past couple days news had come to light about palin using a yahoo mail account, it was in news stories and such, a thread was started full of newfags trying to do something that would not get this off the ground, for the next 2 hours the acct was locked from password recovery presumably from all this bullshit spamming.

after the password recovery was reenabled, it took seriously 45 mins on wikipedia and google to find the info, Birthday? 15 seconds on wikipedia, zip code? well she had always been from wasilla, and it only has 2 zip codes (thanks online postal service!)

the second was somewhat harder, the question was “where did you meet your spouse?” did some research, and apparently she had eloped with mister palin after college, if youll look on some of the screenshits that I took and other fellow anon have so graciously put on photobucket you will see the google search for “palin eloped” or some such in one of the tabs.

I found out later though more research that they met at high school, so I did variations of that, high, high school, eventually hit on “Wasilla high” I promptly changed the password to popcorn and took a cold shower…

&gt;&gt; rubico 09/17/08(Wed)12:58:04 No.85782727

this is all verifiable if some anal /b/tard wants to think Im a troll, and there isn’t any hard proof to the contrary, but anyone who had followed the thread from the beginning to the 404 will know I probably am not, the picture I posted this topic with is the same one as the original thread.

&lt;b&gt;I read though the emails… ALL OF THEM… before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family&lt;/b&gt;

I then started a topic on /b/, peeps asked for pics or gtfo and I obliged, then it started to get big

Earlier it was just some prank to me, &lt;b&gt;I really wanted to get something incriminating which I was sure there would be, just like all of you anon out there that you think there was some missed opportunity of glory, well there WAS NOTHING, I read everything, every little blackberry confirmation… all the pictures, and there was nothing, &lt;/b&gt;and it finally set in, THIS internet was serious business, yes I was behind a proxy, only one, if this shit ever got to the FBI I was fucked, I panicked, i still wanted the stuff out there but I didn’t know how to rapidshit all that stuff, so I posted the pass on /b/, and then promptly deleted everything, and unplugged my internet and just sat there in a comatose state

Then the white knight fucker came along, and did it in for everyone, I trusted /b/ with that email password, I had gotten done what I could do well, then passed the torch , all to be let down by the douchebaggery, good job /b/, this is why we cant have nice things&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/17/the-story-behind-the-palin-e-mail-hacking/


Malkin&#039;s continuous pursuit of this subject:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;On the Palin e-mail hacker trail&lt;/b&gt;
By Michelle Malkin  •  September 22, 2008 12:00 PM

The FBI is stepping up its investigation into the possibility that a University of Tennessee student hacked into the personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

A person who identified himself as a witness tells 10 News that agents with the FBI served a federal search warrant at the Fort Sanders residence of David Kernell early Sunday morning. Kernell lives in the Commons apartment complex at 1115 Highland Ave.

&lt;b&gt;David Kernell is the son of Mike Kernell, a Democratic state representative from Memphis.&lt;/b&gt;

A Department of Justice spokesperson confirmed there has been “investigatory activity” in Knoxville regarding the Palin case, but she said there are no publicly available search warrants, and no charges have been filed.

A separate law enforcement source confirmed to 10 News that a search warrant was served on Kernell’s apartment.

According to the witness, several agents arrived at The Commons of Knoxville around midnight.

They presented their badges upon entering Kernell’s apartment, where several students were having a party, and took down their names.

The witness tells us they asked him and those who did not live in the unit to go outside. He believes the investigators took about 1.5 to 2 hours taking pictures of everything inside the apartment.

Witnesses say Kernell and his friends fled the apartment when the FBI agents arrived.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the latest:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A Grand Jury in Chattanooga could reportedly hear testimony this week into the alleged hacking of the personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

The Knoxville News-Sentinel said the FBI is investigating the possibility that &lt;b&gt;a University of Tennessee student who is the son of a state legislator from Memphis carried out the hacking.&lt;/b&gt;

The report said FBI agents raided the apartment of David Kernell early Sunday morning.

It said friends of Kernell were interviewed, and said they are due to testify about the case in Chattanooga this week.

A federal grand jury is set to convene in Chattanooga on Tuesday.

&lt;b&gt;Kernell is the son of Memphis Democrat Mike Kernell, who acknowledged that his son is being investigated.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/22/on-the-palin-e-mail-hacker-trail/


So count &#039;em up, ken:
1) Palin used a personal account for official business = lie
2) Anonymous aren&#039;t partisan = irrelevant
3) the hacker wasn&#039;t partisan = false
4) Palin (or anyone, for that matter) has no claim to privacy = ???
5) Palin&#039;s lesson = behavior isn&#039;t criminal unless it&#039;s done by a Republican

Your conclusion: &quot;this whole incident calls her judgment into question&quot;.  Spoken like a typical, liberal hack!  The only thing you&#039;ve called into question is your common sense.

BTW - unless you&#039;re looking to get &#039;Palined&#039;, using your email for your handle probably isn&#039;t a good idea (butthead!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane:</p>
<p>This is a portion of Michelle Malkin&#8217;s posting on the subject <b>(f-bomb warning):</b></p>
<blockquote><p><b>The story behind the Palin e-mail hacking</b><br />
By Michelle Malkin  •  September 17, 2008 07:31 PM</p>
<p>This is what rubico said:</p>
<p>rubico 09/17/08(Wed)12:57:22 No.85782652 </p>
<p>Hello, /b/ as many of you might already know, last night sarah palin’s yahoo was “hacked” and caps were posted on /b/, i am the lurker who did it, and i would like to tell the story.</p>
<p>In the past couple days news had come to light about palin using a yahoo mail account, it was in news stories and such, a thread was started full of newfags trying to do something that would not get this off the ground, for the next 2 hours the acct was locked from password recovery presumably from all this bullshit spamming.</p>
<p>after the password recovery was reenabled, it took seriously 45 mins on wikipedia and google to find the info, Birthday? 15 seconds on wikipedia, zip code? well she had always been from wasilla, and it only has 2 zip codes (thanks online postal service!)</p>
<p>the second was somewhat harder, the question was “where did you meet your spouse?” did some research, and apparently she had eloped with mister palin after college, if youll look on some of the screenshits that I took and other fellow anon have so graciously put on photobucket you will see the google search for “palin eloped” or some such in one of the tabs.</p>
<p>I found out later though more research that they met at high school, so I did variations of that, high, high school, eventually hit on “Wasilla high” I promptly changed the password to popcorn and took a cold shower…</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; rubico 09/17/08(Wed)12:58:04 No.85782727</p>
<p>this is all verifiable if some anal /b/tard wants to think Im a troll, and there isn’t any hard proof to the contrary, but anyone who had followed the thread from the beginning to the 404 will know I probably am not, the picture I posted this topic with is the same one as the original thread.</p>
<p><b>I read though the emails… ALL OF THEM… before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family</b></p>
<p>I then started a topic on /b/, peeps asked for pics or gtfo and I obliged, then it started to get big</p>
<p>Earlier it was just some prank to me, <b>I really wanted to get something incriminating which I was sure there would be, just like all of you anon out there that you think there was some missed opportunity of glory, well there WAS NOTHING, I read everything, every little blackberry confirmation… all the pictures, and there was nothing, </b>and it finally set in, THIS internet was serious business, yes I was behind a proxy, only one, if this shit ever got to the FBI I was fucked, I panicked, i still wanted the stuff out there but I didn’t know how to rapidshit all that stuff, so I posted the pass on /b/, and then promptly deleted everything, and unplugged my internet and just sat there in a comatose state</p>
<p>Then the white knight fucker came along, and did it in for everyone, I trusted /b/ with that email password, I had gotten done what I could do well, then passed the torch , all to be let down by the douchebaggery, good job /b/, this is why we cant have nice things</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/17/the-story-behind-the-palin-e-mail-hacking/" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/2008.....l-hacking/</a></p>
<p>Malkin&#8217;s continuous pursuit of this subject:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>On the Palin e-mail hacker trail</b><br />
By Michelle Malkin  •  September 22, 2008 12:00 PM</p>
<p>The FBI is stepping up its investigation into the possibility that a University of Tennessee student hacked into the personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.</p>
<p>A person who identified himself as a witness tells 10 News that agents with the FBI served a federal search warrant at the Fort Sanders residence of David Kernell early Sunday morning. Kernell lives in the Commons apartment complex at 1115 Highland Ave.</p>
<p><b>David Kernell is the son of Mike Kernell, a Democratic state representative from Memphis.</b></p>
<p>A Department of Justice spokesperson confirmed there has been “investigatory activity” in Knoxville regarding the Palin case, but she said there are no publicly available search warrants, and no charges have been filed.</p>
<p>A separate law enforcement source confirmed to 10 News that a search warrant was served on Kernell’s apartment.</p>
<p>According to the witness, several agents arrived at The Commons of Knoxville around midnight.</p>
<p>They presented their badges upon entering Kernell’s apartment, where several students were having a party, and took down their names.</p>
<p>The witness tells us they asked him and those who did not live in the unit to go outside. He believes the investigators took about 1.5 to 2 hours taking pictures of everything inside the apartment.</p>
<p>Witnesses say Kernell and his friends fled the apartment when the FBI agents arrived.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the latest:</p>
<blockquote><p>A Grand Jury in Chattanooga could reportedly hear testimony this week into the alleged hacking of the personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.</p>
<p>The Knoxville News-Sentinel said the FBI is investigating the possibility that <b>a University of Tennessee student who is the son of a state legislator from Memphis carried out the hacking.</b></p>
<p>The report said FBI agents raided the apartment of David Kernell early Sunday morning.</p>
<p>It said friends of Kernell were interviewed, and said they are due to testify about the case in Chattanooga this week.</p>
<p>A federal grand jury is set to convene in Chattanooga on Tuesday.</p>
<p><b>Kernell is the son of Memphis Democrat Mike Kernell, who acknowledged that his son is being investigated.</b></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/22/on-the-palin-e-mail-hacker-trail/" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/2008.....ker-trail/</a></p>
<p>So count &#8216;em up, ken:<br />
1) Palin used a personal account for official business = lie<br />
2) Anonymous aren&#8217;t partisan = irrelevant<br />
3) the hacker wasn&#8217;t partisan = false<br />
4) Palin (or anyone, for that matter) has no claim to privacy = ???<br />
5) Palin&#8217;s lesson = behavior isn&#8217;t criminal unless it&#8217;s done by a Republican</p>
<p>Your conclusion: &#8220;this whole incident calls her judgment into question&#8221;.  Spoken like a typical, liberal hack!  The only thing you&#8217;ve called into question is your common sense.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; unless you&#8217;re looking to get &#8216;Palined&#8217;, using your email for your handle probably isn&#8217;t a good idea (butthead!)</p>
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		<title>By: BillK</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-119122</link>
		<dc:creator>BillK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane, the AP of course pushed the &quot;government business&quot; angle, but in fact they were &lt;b&gt;personal&lt;/b&gt; emails from Palin to a friend who also worked in the Alaskan state Government.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane, the AP of course pushed the &#8220;government business&#8221; angle, but in fact they were <b>personal</b> emails from Palin to a friend who also worked in the Alaskan state Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much to say...

Wardmama - Brava!  I think you&#039;re absolutely right.  Most of us just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace.  The only problem I see is that it really only takes one person to upset that for everyone, but with that little quibble, I think you said it beautifully.

anonymous are not, technically speaking, hackers.  They&#039;re known as &quot;griefers&quot;.  In so far as they have any philosophy at all, it&#039;s that people take the Internet too seriously,  Their mantra is a mocking &quot;the Internet is serious business&quot;.  If you read the post made by the guy who hacked Palin&#039;s account, you&#039;ll see that phrase used in anything but a mocking way when he realizes he&#039;s just screwed himself.  As griefers, what they mostly do is try to make the life of anyone who enjoys any part of the Internet a living hell, with the stated intention of making them as angry as possible.  The trolls we occasionally get on the forum here are small-change griefers.  Hacking is ancillary to their primary purpose of causing trouble.  Think thirteen-year-old boys with way too much free time and no parents.

It is pretty well known that Yahoo&#039;s security policies are a joke.  Anyone with a modicum of competence can break into a Yahoo email account if the owner has any net-presence at all.  That&#039;s why webmail accounts in general shouldn&#039;t be used for anything but the most trivial personal business.

As to Sarah using her account for government business - I haven&#039;t been able to find the original post in which &quot;Rubico&quot; discussed what he found, but he indicated that he was looking for dirt on Palin and found exactly nothing.  We know he found personal pictures and personal emails, but there is nothing remotely resembling proof that she conducted state business from her Yahoo account.  All I&#039;ve been able to find are some MSM articles indicating that some of the email titles were &quot;suggestive&quot; that she had done so.  I honestly think that if there were anything like that, Rubico would&#039;ve included screenshots when he first posted about it.  He stated quite categorically that he read every single email in her account.

If she did use a Yahoo account for state business, it was certainly foolish, but IT professionals see this kind of foolishness all the time.  It&#039;s a problem, but not a big one.  Of course, the MSM would have you believe otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much to say&#8230;</p>
<p>Wardmama &#8211; Brava!  I think you&#8217;re absolutely right.  Most of us just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace.  The only problem I see is that it really only takes one person to upset that for everyone, but with that little quibble, I think you said it beautifully.</p>
<p>anonymous are not, technically speaking, hackers.  They&#8217;re known as &#8220;griefers&#8221;.  In so far as they have any philosophy at all, it&#8217;s that people take the Internet too seriously,  Their mantra is a mocking &#8220;the Internet is serious business&#8221;.  If you read the post made by the guy who hacked Palin&#8217;s account, you&#8217;ll see that phrase used in anything but a mocking way when he realizes he&#8217;s just screwed himself.  As griefers, what they mostly do is try to make the life of anyone who enjoys any part of the Internet a living hell, with the stated intention of making them as angry as possible.  The trolls we occasionally get on the forum here are small-change griefers.  Hacking is ancillary to their primary purpose of causing trouble.  Think thirteen-year-old boys with way too much free time and no parents.</p>
<p>It is pretty well known that Yahoo&#8217;s security policies are a joke.  Anyone with a modicum of competence can break into a Yahoo email account if the owner has any net-presence at all.  That&#8217;s why webmail accounts in general shouldn&#8217;t be used for anything but the most trivial personal business.</p>
<p>As to Sarah using her account for government business &#8211; I haven&#8217;t been able to find the original post in which &#8220;Rubico&#8221; discussed what he found, but he indicated that he was looking for dirt on Palin and found exactly nothing.  We know he found personal pictures and personal emails, but there is nothing remotely resembling proof that she conducted state business from her Yahoo account.  All I&#8217;ve been able to find are some MSM articles indicating that some of the email titles were &#8220;suggestive&#8221; that she had done so.  I honestly think that if there were anything like that, Rubico would&#8217;ve included screenshots when he first posted about it.  He stated quite categorically that he read every single email in her account.</p>
<p>If she did use a Yahoo account for state business, it was certainly foolish, but IT professionals see this kind of foolishness all the time.  It&#8217;s a problem, but not a big one.  Of course, the MSM would have you believe otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: BillK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Ken, but for most Americans this would call &lt;b&gt;Yahoo!&#039;s policies&lt;/b&gt; into question.

I wonder how many people&#039;s Yahoo! accounts have now been hacked using similar methods?

Somehow this is Palin&#039;s fault for not thinking like an Internet security consultant?

Note that despite what the Press would like you to believe, this was not a government account but rather her &lt;b&gt;personal&lt;/b&gt; email account.

Do you think the majority of Moms and Dads with Yahoo! or Gmail accounts know that they should take Yahoo!&#039;s &quot;password reset security questions&quot; as the massive security hole they are?

Further, do you think the Press should treat this as a joke?

Somehow, one gets the feeling if one hacked Obama&#039;s personal email account and posted the messages on the web they wouldn&#039;t be dismissed as mere &quot;pranksters,&quot; especially if one involved were the son of a notable &lt;i&gt;Republican&lt;/i&gt; lawmaker.

Anyone involved - including the members of Anoynmous - should be prosecuted not only for this but for their harassment stunts as well as their little flashing image on epilepsy support sites stunt.

It&#039;s like slashing the tires on ambulances outside an emergency room and finding it &quot;funny.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Ken, but for most Americans this would call <b>Yahoo!&#8217;s policies</b> into question.</p>
<p>I wonder how many people&#8217;s Yahoo! accounts have now been hacked using similar methods?</p>
<p>Somehow this is Palin&#8217;s fault for not thinking like an Internet security consultant?</p>
<p>Note that despite what the Press would like you to believe, this was not a government account but rather her <b>personal</b> email account.</p>
<p>Do you think the majority of Moms and Dads with Yahoo! or Gmail accounts know that they should take Yahoo!&#8217;s &#8220;password reset security questions&#8221; as the massive security hole they are?</p>
<p>Further, do you think the Press should treat this as a joke?</p>
<p>Somehow, one gets the feeling if one hacked Obama&#8217;s personal email account and posted the messages on the web they wouldn&#8217;t be dismissed as mere &#8220;pranksters,&#8221; especially if one involved were the son of a notable <i>Republican</i> lawmaker.</p>
<p>Anyone involved &#8211; including the members of Anoynmous &#8211; should be prosecuted not only for this but for their harassment stunts as well as their little flashing image on epilepsy support sites stunt.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like slashing the tires on ambulances outside an emergency room and finding it &#8220;funny.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ken_atherton@hotmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken_atherton@hotmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize I&#039;m coming in late to this conversation, but I think you are making a mistake by crediting this &quot;group of hackers&quot; with any real motive or organization.

I&#039;m sure nobody here has ever been to the site in question (and I don&#039;t recommend it unless you have a really strong stomach and a juvenile sense of humor) but the site is really the equivalent of a bunch of high school kids hanging around, torturing each other and deciding whose house to go egg.  These guys are not Democrats or Republicans, they are anarchists in the purest sense of the word.

Obviously, because they are connected to the internet, there is the possibility of their pranks being higher profile.  But let&#039;s review what seems to have actually happened:

1.  It is reported that Sarah Palin&#039;s administration uses publicly accessible email services for official business.  Even the email addresses are published.  As a side note, I can&#039;t stress it enough that this represents a really poor judgment somewhere in Sarah&#039;s administration.  It is absolutely stupid to write sensitive emails on a system that can be connected to by anyone on the internet.  The idea of using these accounts as a way to avoid subpoenas is ridiculous due to the high probability of the account being hacked.
2.  Hackers around the world realize there&#039;s an opportunity here and go to work trying to break in.
3.  Sometime last week, one of these hackers announces his success on /b/ as well as Wikileaks and posts a few screen captures as proof.  He also, at some point, leaks the password he has found through an unknown method.  Here&#039;s the scary bit: we have one hacker who admitted success.  How many others figured out how to get into the account but didn&#039;t tell anyone.  The hacker we know about seems not to have been driven by any specific motive, or at least he didn&#039;t admit to finding anything significant in the account.  Others may have been far more nefarious, and may have downloaded vast numbers of emails for later analysis.
4.  Within minutes, numerous other hackers are accessing the account and someone, trying to be a white knight, changes the password on the account.
5.  The rest becomes a bit unclear, but the account probably became disabled by Yahoo fairly quickly after that, either through the request of someone on Sarah&#039;s staff or, more likely, automatically due to the number of failed login attempts.

I&#039;m not trying to dismiss this as a bunch of kids playing pranks, but Palin will be lucky if it turns out that is the extent of the damage.  The lesson for Palin and her team is if there are communications that they want to keep private, this is not the way to do it.  For me, personally, this whole incident calls her judgment into question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize I&#8217;m coming in late to this conversation, but I think you are making a mistake by crediting this &#8220;group of hackers&#8221; with any real motive or organization.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure nobody here has ever been to the site in question (and I don&#8217;t recommend it unless you have a really strong stomach and a juvenile sense of humor) but the site is really the equivalent of a bunch of high school kids hanging around, torturing each other and deciding whose house to go egg.  These guys are not Democrats or Republicans, they are anarchists in the purest sense of the word.</p>
<p>Obviously, because they are connected to the internet, there is the possibility of their pranks being higher profile.  But let&#8217;s review what seems to have actually happened:</p>
<p>1.  It is reported that Sarah Palin&#8217;s administration uses publicly accessible email services for official business.  Even the email addresses are published.  As a side note, I can&#8217;t stress it enough that this represents a really poor judgment somewhere in Sarah&#8217;s administration.  It is absolutely stupid to write sensitive emails on a system that can be connected to by anyone on the internet.  The idea of using these accounts as a way to avoid subpoenas is ridiculous due to the high probability of the account being hacked.<br />
2.  Hackers around the world realize there&#8217;s an opportunity here and go to work trying to break in.<br />
3.  Sometime last week, one of these hackers announces his success on /b/ as well as Wikileaks and posts a few screen captures as proof.  He also, at some point, leaks the password he has found through an unknown method.  Here&#8217;s the scary bit: we have one hacker who admitted success.  How many others figured out how to get into the account but didn&#8217;t tell anyone.  The hacker we know about seems not to have been driven by any specific motive, or at least he didn&#8217;t admit to finding anything significant in the account.  Others may have been far more nefarious, and may have downloaded vast numbers of emails for later analysis.<br />
4.  Within minutes, numerous other hackers are accessing the account and someone, trying to be a white knight, changes the password on the account.<br />
5.  The rest becomes a bit unclear, but the account probably became disabled by Yahoo fairly quickly after that, either through the request of someone on Sarah&#8217;s staff or, more likely, automatically due to the number of failed login attempts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to dismiss this as a bunch of kids playing pranks, but Palin will be lucky if it turns out that is the extent of the damage.  The lesson for Palin and her team is if there are communications that they want to keep private, this is not the way to do it.  For me, personally, this whole incident calls her judgment into question.</p>
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		<title>By: BelchSpeak</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-119001</link>
		<dc:creator>BelchSpeak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Icarus, you missed my point.  David Kernell is not a member of any hacker group.  He acted alone.  And to attribute powers to any group, such as the ability to avoid prosecution, the ability to hack into anyone or anything, is tantamount to assigning them superpowers.  The author of the skynews article quoted above performed no research and got the whole story wrong from start to finish, including who the culprit was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Icarus, you missed my point.  David Kernell is not a member of any hacker group.  He acted alone.  And to attribute powers to any group, such as the ability to avoid prosecution, the ability to hack into anyone or anything, is tantamount to assigning them superpowers.  The author of the skynews article quoted above performed no research and got the whole story wrong from start to finish, including who the culprit was.</p>
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		<title>By: wardmama4</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-118993</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to come down on the side of remaining above the frey - yes, if it comes down to a war - revolution, civil war, terrorist in America, WWIII whatever - then the &#039;rules&#039; change. But I have to believe that the the &lt;b&gt;majority&lt;/b&gt; of Americans want to simply own their own little piece of ground w/a house &amp; car, work 5 on 2 off, watch football/baseball on the weekends after mowing what grass they have, and pay some taxes to have schools, a hospital and some police. I still believe that the majority of Americans are right in the middle, conservative on some things, liberal on others - but libertarian on most things.

If you buy into the Obama is winning, everyone buys into his &#039;ideas&#039; - then what you are saying is that you buy into Obama and the msm. Which is what they want and I believe why they started the &#039;campaigning&#039; back in Nov of 2006 - to be able to repeat their mantra again and again so that everyone buys it. 

But you have to be careful with use of words like everyone, always, never - we are human beings with free will - still. And such words tend to make people question - and that is still the main aspect of freedom in America - questioning authority (damn, now where did I hear that one?!?)

Don&#039;t buy into the msm line that Obama is going to win, don&#039;t predict doomsday simply because of a low life breaks a law attempting to ruin Mrs. Palin and then tries to explain it away. Let us rather see this as possibly the point (especially with the Fannie/Freddie mess) - when Americans wake up and say &lt;b&gt;Enough&lt;/b&gt;. You have crossed the lines and we don&#039;t want it, buy it, believe it anymore.

Vote them out - start with the &#039;leaders&#039; Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy (please), and Obama himself - then work on those who do the right thing and vote the right way - to take control and bring this Congress and Government back into &lt;i&gt;&#039;of the people, by the people, for the people&#039;&lt;/i&gt; once again.

Yes, one has to crawl into the gutter to get rid of the slime - but one does not have to crawl into the gutter to see if there is slime there. We must always do the right thing. Let them continue to wreak havoc - history will see them as the wrong ones. It always does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to come down on the side of remaining above the frey &#8211; yes, if it comes down to a war &#8211; revolution, civil war, terrorist in America, WWIII whatever &#8211; then the &#8216;rules&#8217; change. But I have to believe that the the <b>majority</b> of Americans want to simply own their own little piece of ground w/a house &amp; car, work 5 on 2 off, watch football/baseball on the weekends after mowing what grass they have, and pay some taxes to have schools, a hospital and some police. I still believe that the majority of Americans are right in the middle, conservative on some things, liberal on others &#8211; but libertarian on most things.</p>
<p>If you buy into the Obama is winning, everyone buys into his &#8216;ideas&#8217; &#8211; then what you are saying is that you buy into Obama and the msm. Which is what they want and I believe why they started the &#8216;campaigning&#8217; back in Nov of 2006 &#8211; to be able to repeat their mantra again and again so that everyone buys it. </p>
<p>But you have to be careful with use of words like everyone, always, never &#8211; we are human beings with free will &#8211; still. And such words tend to make people question &#8211; and that is still the main aspect of freedom in America &#8211; questioning authority (damn, now where did I hear that one?!?)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t buy into the msm line that Obama is going to win, don&#8217;t predict doomsday simply because of a low life breaks a law attempting to ruin Mrs. Palin and then tries to explain it away. Let us rather see this as possibly the point (especially with the Fannie/Freddie mess) &#8211; when Americans wake up and say <b>Enough</b>. You have crossed the lines and we don&#8217;t want it, buy it, believe it anymore.</p>
<p>Vote them out &#8211; start with the &#8216;leaders&#8217; Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy (please), and Obama himself &#8211; then work on those who do the right thing and vote the right way &#8211; to take control and bring this Congress and Government back into <i>&#8216;of the people, by the people, for the people&#8217;</i> once again.</p>
<p>Yes, one has to crawl into the gutter to get rid of the slime &#8211; but one does not have to crawl into the gutter to see if there is slime there. We must always do the right thing. Let them continue to wreak havoc &#8211; history will see them as the wrong ones. It always does.</p>
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		<title>By: Icarus</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-118989</link>
		<dc:creator>Icarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Okay, there seem to be some misconceptions about the so-called group “Anonymous” and David Kernell…   …the two are not related. Kernell tried to throw Palin’s email account to a group of people… &lt;/blockquote&gt;

What’s you point exactly?
Related or unrelated makes no difference to me (both are despicable)
...What difference does it make to you?

&lt;blockquote&gt; Bottom line is I’m not condoning the actions of “anonymous.” But to believe they are partisans or have superpowers on the internet is just silly. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You don’t believe they are partisan?     
What constitutes “superpowers” on the internet?

I believe they are partisan; one is the son of Democrat,… and any group of individuals by definition are partisan to something  (they certainly have  similar ideology – and I don’t think its conservative)  
Hacking (breaking-in!!) into people’s private e-accounts is power enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Okay, there seem to be some misconceptions about the so-called group “Anonymous” and David Kernell…   …the two are not related. Kernell tried to throw Palin’s email account to a group of people… </p></blockquote>
<p>What’s you point exactly?<br />
Related or unrelated makes no difference to me (both are despicable)<br />
&#8230;What difference does it make to you?</p>
<blockquote><p> Bottom line is I’m not condoning the actions of “anonymous.” But to believe they are partisans or have superpowers on the internet is just silly. </p></blockquote>
<p>You don’t believe they are partisan?<br />
What constitutes “superpowers” on the internet?</p>
<p>I believe they are partisan; one is the son of Democrat,… and any group of individuals by definition are partisan to something  (they certainly have  similar ideology – and I don’t think its conservative)<br />
Hacking (breaking-in!!) into people’s private e-accounts is power enough!</p>
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		<title>By: BelchSpeak</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-118968</link>
		<dc:creator>BelchSpeak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, there seem to be some misconceptions about the so-called group &quot;Anonymous&quot; and David Kernell, the snot-nosed brat that&#039;s currently under investigation by the FBI for breaching Palin&#039;s email account.  

First, the two are not related.  Kernell tried to throw Palin&#039;s email account to a group of people on a message board.  The users of the message board often decide to be mischievous, like showing up on a stupid video game to stage a protest, even tasteless ones.  Sometimes they engage in denial of service attacks, such as against scientologist websites, or seed blogs or myspace pages with troll comments to create outrage in others.  One example you mentioned is pretending to be a ghost to parents of a child who committed suicide over internet drama, and was labelled as a hero by his friends and the media.  Yes, its amoral and tasteless, but there is no political drive behind the group.  

Glenn Reynolds wrote a book about a similar phenomena, called the &quot;Army of Davids&quot; which shows how anonymous users on the internet can band together to drive and focus issues.  The so-called &quot;hacker group&quot; anonymous is very similar to the &quot;Army of Davids.&quot;  In fact, it should be pointed out that it was a member of this loose-knit group that changed Palin&#039;s password to lock out the true hacker Kernell.  

And when femist whacko blogger from BitingBeaver, Cheryl Seelhof, threatened to &quot;abort her teenage son&quot; because he was looking at pornography, the same group hounded the blogger until she deleted lots of her content, and the group launched efforts to make sure her son was not harmed by her feminist derangement.

Bottom line is I&#039;m not condoning the actions of &quot;anonymous.&quot;  But to believe they are partisans or have superpowers on the internet is just silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, there seem to be some misconceptions about the so-called group &#8220;Anonymous&#8221; and David Kernell, the snot-nosed brat that&#8217;s currently under investigation by the FBI for breaching Palin&#8217;s email account.  </p>
<p>First, the two are not related.  Kernell tried to throw Palin&#8217;s email account to a group of people on a message board.  The users of the message board often decide to be mischievous, like showing up on a stupid video game to stage a protest, even tasteless ones.  Sometimes they engage in denial of service attacks, such as against scientologist websites, or seed blogs or myspace pages with troll comments to create outrage in others.  One example you mentioned is pretending to be a ghost to parents of a child who committed suicide over internet drama, and was labelled as a hero by his friends and the media.  Yes, its amoral and tasteless, but there is no political drive behind the group.  </p>
<p>Glenn Reynolds wrote a book about a similar phenomena, called the &#8220;Army of Davids&#8221; which shows how anonymous users on the internet can band together to drive and focus issues.  The so-called &#8220;hacker group&#8221; anonymous is very similar to the &#8220;Army of Davids.&#8221;  In fact, it should be pointed out that it was a member of this loose-knit group that changed Palin&#8217;s password to lock out the true hacker Kernell.  </p>
<p>And when femist whacko blogger from BitingBeaver, Cheryl Seelhof, threatened to &#8220;abort her teenage son&#8221; because he was looking at pornography, the same group hounded the blogger until she deleted lots of her content, and the group launched efforts to make sure her son was not harmed by her feminist derangement.</p>
<p>Bottom line is I&#8217;m not condoning the actions of &#8220;anonymous.&#8221;  But to believe they are partisans or have superpowers on the internet is just silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Exeter</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-118958</link>
		<dc:creator>Exeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Icarus, I sense I joke but I&#039;m not getting it.  Explain, please.</description>
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		<title>By: Icarus</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-118957</link>
		<dc:creator>Icarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo!   

LMAO</description>
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<p>LMAO</p>
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		<title>By: Exeter</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-118954</link>
		<dc:creator>Exeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cigarskunk - no, I wasn&#039;t quoting the latest Batman, since I haven&#039;t seen it.  Any similarities between my post and the movie are coincidental.

&quot;Just think of the murder and mayhem...&quot;
Your apocalyptic view of the future seems a little hyperbolic.  But that aside, there&#039;s a flaw in your reason: you&#039;re justifying criminal behavior by what you think MIGHT happen.  With this same logic, you could shoot a man because he MIGHT shoot you, or rob your bank because it MIGHT go bankrupt.  It is, in fact, a revised argument for the ethics exercise, &quot;Would you kill baby Hitler?&quot;  (The right answer is, &quot;No&quot;.)

&quot;I’d much rather have that then the moral high ground...&quot;
I don&#039;t take my position to claim moral superiority.  I take it because I defend America, and America is a society of law.  The moonbats spend all their energy denying American exceptionalism, and try to prove it by their behavior; if we act the same, we prove them right.  Law means we don&#039;t live by the will of a king, the whims of a dictator, OR THE PASSIONS OF THE MOB.  &quot;Those who will not live by the law shall die by the law,&quot; someone important once said.

&quot;...and the blood of all of those inocents on my hands.&quot;
I don&#039;t want to jump to conclusions here, so please clarify: are you seriously laying the responsibility of your hypothetical armageddon on me?  I look forward to your answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cigarskunk &#8211; no, I wasn&#8217;t quoting the latest Batman, since I haven&#8217;t seen it.  Any similarities between my post and the movie are coincidental.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just think of the murder and mayhem&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Your apocalyptic view of the future seems a little hyperbolic.  But that aside, there&#8217;s a flaw in your reason: you&#8217;re justifying criminal behavior by what you think MIGHT happen.  With this same logic, you could shoot a man because he MIGHT shoot you, or rob your bank because it MIGHT go bankrupt.  It is, in fact, a revised argument for the ethics exercise, &#8220;Would you kill baby Hitler?&#8221;  (The right answer is, &#8220;No&#8221;.)</p>
<p>&#8220;I’d much rather have that then the moral high ground&#8230;&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t take my position to claim moral superiority.  I take it because I defend America, and America is a society of law.  The moonbats spend all their energy denying American exceptionalism, and try to prove it by their behavior; if we act the same, we prove them right.  Law means we don&#8217;t live by the will of a king, the whims of a dictator, OR THE PASSIONS OF THE MOB.  &#8220;Those who will not live by the law shall die by the law,&#8221; someone important once said.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and the blood of all of those inocents on my hands.&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t want to jump to conclusions here, so please clarify: are you seriously laying the responsibility of your hypothetical armageddon on me?  I look forward to your answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Helena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic, isn&#039;t it? Ms. Palin is attacked because of her alleged lack of responsibility to her children. Well, it sure looks like Mr. Kernell had no business running for office. His children suffered because of his absence. They grew up with no respect (nor indeed any idea of) basic privacy laws and apparently never even learned right from wrong.  Mr. Kernell should have been a father first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic, isn&#8217;t it? Ms. Palin is attacked because of her alleged lack of responsibility to her children. Well, it sure looks like Mr. Kernell had no business running for office. His children suffered because of his absence. They grew up with no respect (nor indeed any idea of) basic privacy laws and apparently never even learned right from wrong.  Mr. Kernell should have been a father first.</p>
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		<title>By: cigarskunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>cigarskunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I put the same to you: if the Liberals can make us Conservatives hack emails, slash tires, stuff ballot boxes, intimidate voters, steal public money and demonize opponents, then they’ve already won.&quot;

Sounds like you&#039;re quoting the end of the most recent Batman movie so I&#039;ll stick with that theme - how much death and suffering are you willing to allow to happen in order to maintain the moral high ground?

Just think of the murder and mayhem that will occure from President Obama&#039;s defense policies?  Imagine the suffering that will occure from his tax hikes, his destroying our healthcare system with socialism and $10/gallon gas from his energy decisions?  Think of all of the robbery, rape and murder victims that will be created by his crime and gun control policies, how the American people will have to put bars on thier homes and be unable to legally defend themselves should a criminal break in?

If I could be the person that&#039;d be labelled the &#039;bad guy&#039; for hacking Obama and posting stuff that would sink him once and for all, I&#039;d happily do so because I&#039;d much rather have that then the moral high ground and the blood of all of those inocents on my hands.

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On the abortion question -

http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_research/publications/downloads/about_abortion/violence_statistics.pdf

According to that pro-abortion site, the last murder was in 1998, last attempted murder was 2000 and last bombing was 2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I put the same to you: if the Liberals can make us Conservatives hack emails, slash tires, stuff ballot boxes, intimidate voters, steal public money and demonize opponents, then they’ve already won.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like you&#8217;re quoting the end of the most recent Batman movie so I&#8217;ll stick with that theme &#8211; how much death and suffering are you willing to allow to happen in order to maintain the moral high ground?</p>
<p>Just think of the murder and mayhem that will occure from President Obama&#8217;s defense policies?  Imagine the suffering that will occure from his tax hikes, his destroying our healthcare system with socialism and $10/gallon gas from his energy decisions?  Think of all of the robbery, rape and murder victims that will be created by his crime and gun control policies, how the American people will have to put bars on thier homes and be unable to legally defend themselves should a criminal break in?</p>
<p>If I could be the person that&#8217;d be labelled the &#8216;bad guy&#8217; for hacking Obama and posting stuff that would sink him once and for all, I&#8217;d happily do so because I&#8217;d much rather have that then the moral high ground and the blood of all of those inocents on my hands.</p>
<p>**********************</p>
<p>On the abortion question -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_research/publications/downloads/about_abortion/violence_statistics.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_.....istics.pdf</a></p>
<p>According to that pro-abortion site, the last murder was in 1998, last attempted murder was 2000 and last bombing was 2001.</p>
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		<title>By: Icarus</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-palin-email-hackers-other-dirty-tricks#comment-118907</link>
		<dc:creator>Icarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me thinks we have a couple of ghosts in this machine!</description>
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