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		<title>By: pinandpuller</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-pilgrims-were-really-grave-robbers#comment-125160</link>
		<dc:creator>pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask Hillary or Joe Biden lol.</description>
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		<title>By: Lipstick on a PIAPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lipstick on a PIAPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused, are we talking woo, woo, woo, heap scalp em Indians, or the Red dotted forehead convenience store Indians?</description>
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		<title>By: DEZ</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-pilgrims-were-really-grave-robbers#comment-125121</link>
		<dc:creator>DEZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This made me smile :)&quot;

Then I made a persons day better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This made me smile :)&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I made a persons day better!</p>
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		<title>By: TheSwabbie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mike Ivey is FOS. Funny how it JUST so happens that these fishermen arrive on the eastern seaboard and give the Native Americans (Of which I AM one) the Plague or some disease. The Indians plant their crops then DIE just before its suppose to be harvested. AND... wait.. it gets better.. the Pilgrims go and dig up these poor Indians and steal stuff out of their graves WITHOUT being affected by whatever disease wiped out the indians. 

Mr. Ivey is no better than the people who actually try to convince others that the Holocaust did not happen - even when presented with overwhelming evidence, traincars full of eyeglasses... they try to rewrite history. Mr. Ivey has stepped on his privates...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mike Ivey is FOS. Funny how it JUST so happens that these fishermen arrive on the eastern seaboard and give the Native Americans (Of which I AM one) the Plague or some disease. The Indians plant their crops then DIE just before its suppose to be harvested. AND&#8230; wait.. it gets better.. the Pilgrims go and dig up these poor Indians and steal stuff out of their graves WITHOUT being affected by whatever disease wiped out the indians. </p>
<p>Mr. Ivey is no better than the people who actually try to convince others that the Holocaust did not happen &#8211; even when presented with overwhelming evidence, traincars full of eyeglasses&#8230; they try to rewrite history. Mr. Ivey has stepped on his privates&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Romano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Romano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yup, when ever I arrive in a place I have never been, look around and see crops and housing of any sort.  I say look what the lord hath provided, and then start digging up graves.&quot;

This made me smile :)  The leftist mantras are so easily demolished by referring to simple logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yup, when ever I arrive in a place I have never been, look around and see crops and housing of any sort.  I say look what the lord hath provided, and then start digging up graves.&#8221;</p>
<p>This made me smile :)  The leftist mantras are so easily demolished by referring to simple logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel1961</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colonel1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to paraphrase Jesus Christ Superstar too much, but mass communication in those times was very poor, i.e., I am comforted that people will grow up and be exposed to other points of view, as we do on this site, and learn...

As I&#039;ve noted before, I tell my children to question the motive of every single speaker/writer/teacher/book that they ever encounter - including me - and to discern the truth vis-à-vis their own good judgment.

p.s. I always wanted &#039;judgment&#039; to have another &#039;e&#039; in it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to paraphrase Jesus Christ Superstar too much, but mass communication in those times was very poor, i.e., I am comforted that people will grow up and be exposed to other points of view, as we do on this site, and learn&#8230;</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve noted before, I tell my children to question the motive of every single speaker/writer/teacher/book that they ever encounter &#8211; including me &#8211; and to discern the truth vis-à-vis their own good judgment.</p>
<p>p.s. I always wanted &#8216;judgment&#8217; to have another &#8216;e&#8217; in it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Historian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colonel1961 

November 25th, 2008 at 12:31 pm 
The hits just keep coming…

http://www.latimes.com/news/lo.....8033.story

With the continual bombardment of negative attacks on our culture, children will believe what they are told.  If everyone they hear says we are &quot;Bad&quot; and have committed atrocities against the world, caused global warming. etc., they will believe.  Everyone can&#039;t be wrong can they?  This is how you destroy a civilization, but no one learns from history.  Anyone see any similarities to our situation and that of the Romans before the fall of their empire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colonel1961 </p>
<p>November 25th, 2008 at 12:31 pm<br />
The hits just keep coming…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/lo.....8033.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/lo&#8230;..8033.story</a></p>
<p>With the continual bombardment of negative attacks on our culture, children will believe what they are told.  If everyone they hear says we are &#8220;Bad&#8221; and have committed atrocities against the world, caused global warming. etc., they will believe.  Everyone can&#8217;t be wrong can they?  This is how you destroy a civilization, but no one learns from history.  Anyone see any similarities to our situation and that of the Romans before the fall of their empire?</p>
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		<title>By: Historian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>proreason 
November 25th, 2008 at 10:38 am 

&#039;The Far Left took over the universities, and with that base, the schools and the media.
That is the underlying reason they were able to capture the congress and the presidency.
And it is going to be nearly impossible to undo.
For example, have you tried to bring a young “environmentalist” back to reality? When children learn something when they are very young, and it is reinforced (one might say hammered in) by the media, facts and rationality have almost no impact.
That has been their long-march strategy. It worked.&quot;


It will be almost impossible to reverse trends, given the fact that those who oppose the &quot;Change&quot; and destruction of American values now being promoted comprise a minority in this country.  In addition, we will continue to lose this battle as brainwashed students keep entering the workforce.  The ideological war has already been lost. I predict that in years to come, there will be an exodus of Americans from the United States as socialism spreads.  You may find yourself starting over in another country, assuming you can find work, as a virtual refugee.  I do not think this will take too many years in coming, based upon the government bailouts we are seeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>proreason<br />
November 25th, 2008 at 10:38 am </p>
<p>&#8216;The Far Left took over the universities, and with that base, the schools and the media.<br />
That is the underlying reason they were able to capture the congress and the presidency.<br />
And it is going to be nearly impossible to undo.<br />
For example, have you tried to bring a young “environmentalist” back to reality? When children learn something when they are very young, and it is reinforced (one might say hammered in) by the media, facts and rationality have almost no impact.<br />
That has been their long-march strategy. It worked.&#8221;</p>
<p>It will be almost impossible to reverse trends, given the fact that those who oppose the &#8220;Change&#8221; and destruction of American values now being promoted comprise a minority in this country.  In addition, we will continue to lose this battle as brainwashed students keep entering the workforce.  The ideological war has already been lost. I predict that in years to come, there will be an exodus of Americans from the United States as socialism spreads.  You may find yourself starting over in another country, assuming you can find work, as a virtual refugee.  I do not think this will take too many years in coming, based upon the government bailouts we are seeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel1961</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hits just keep coming...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-thanksgiving25-2008nov25,0,1458033.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hits just keep coming&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-thanksgiving25-2008nov25,0,1458033.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/lo.....8033.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Historian 

November 25th, 2008 at 7:32 am 
imnewatthis, I couldn’t agree with you more. The negative messages our children are presented with through the education system, universities&quot;

The Far Left took over the universities, and with that base, the schools and the media.

That is the underlying reason they were able to capture the congress and the presidency.

And it is going to be nearly impossible to undo.

For example, have you tried to bring a young &quot;environmentalist&quot; back to reality?  When children learn something when they are very young, and it is reinforced (one might say hammered in) by the media, facts and rationality have almost no impact.

That has been their long-march strategy.  It worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Historian </p>
<p>November 25th, 2008 at 7:32 am<br />
imnewatthis, I couldn’t agree with you more. The negative messages our children are presented with through the education system, universities&#8221;</p>
<p>The Far Left took over the universities, and with that base, the schools and the media.</p>
<p>That is the underlying reason they were able to capture the congress and the presidency.</p>
<p>And it is going to be nearly impossible to undo.</p>
<p>For example, have you tried to bring a young &#8220;environmentalist&#8221; back to reality?  When children learn something when they are very young, and it is reinforced (one might say hammered in) by the media, facts and rationality have almost no impact.</p>
<p>That has been their long-march strategy.  It worked.</p>
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		<title>By: Historian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>imnewatthis, I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  The negative messages our children are presented with through the education system, universities, and media amounts to a coordinated brainwashing of the youth on a large scale.  Most leaders try to preserve their national culture, not tear it down.  However in the United States we want to &quot;Change&quot; our culture.  The result if this is not stopped is eventual loss of our national identity and our sovereignty as a free nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imnewatthis, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  The negative messages our children are presented with through the education system, universities, and media amounts to a coordinated brainwashing of the youth on a large scale.  Most leaders try to preserve their national culture, not tear it down.  However in the United States we want to &#8220;Change&#8221; our culture.  The result if this is not stopped is eventual loss of our national identity and our sovereignty as a free nation.</p>
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		<title>By: 11ten1775</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her version is basically what&#039;s in elementary social studies books - minus the grave robbing.  The Pilgrims were selfishly looking for riches.  How &quot;hard&quot; it all was is emphasized ad nauseam (without any meaningful discussion of how that hard work paid off - in freedom).  Powhatan was a peaceful chief.  Pocahontas saved John Smith from something that goes unmentioned.  (Surely not violence!)  John Smith came up with the idea that, &quot;If a man will not work, he shall not eat.&quot;  God can&#039;t even get credit for the Bible, let alone His providence for the Pilgrims.  As Coulter says, the liberals have to tear down everything, so all that&#039;s left is the government for us to believe in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her version is basically what&#8217;s in elementary social studies books &#8211; minus the grave robbing.  The Pilgrims were selfishly looking for riches.  How &#8220;hard&#8221; it all was is emphasized ad nauseam (without any meaningful discussion of how that hard work paid off &#8211; in freedom).  Powhatan was a peaceful chief.  Pocahontas saved John Smith from something that goes unmentioned.  (Surely not violence!)  John Smith came up with the idea that, &#8220;If a man will not work, he shall not eat.&#8221;  God can&#8217;t even get credit for the Bible, let alone His providence for the Pilgrims.  As Coulter says, the liberals have to tear down everything, so all that&#8217;s left is the government for us to believe in.</p>
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		<title>By: imnewatthis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was growing up I would sometimes (while reading) see someone referred to as a &quot;self-hating Jew&quot; or a &quot;self-hating homosexual&quot;.  I never see this anymore.  For several years, now, I&#039;ve been thinking the country is full of self-hating Americans.  This is what the schools teach our kids to be.  And that doesn&#039;t bode well for our survival.  We feel guilty so we want to give away our treasure and our sovereignty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was growing up I would sometimes (while reading) see someone referred to as a &#8220;self-hating Jew&#8221; or a &#8220;self-hating homosexual&#8221;.  I never see this anymore.  For several years, now, I&#8217;ve been thinking the country is full of self-hating Americans.  This is what the schools teach our kids to be.  And that doesn&#8217;t bode well for our survival.  We feel guilty so we want to give away our treasure and our sovereignty.</p>
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		<title>By: pinandpuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that why they burned witches-to stay warm?  We can&#039;t look down on them using our contemporary mores-its just not cricket!

I just watched a movie this weekend called &quot;The New World&quot; with Christian Bale and Colin Farrel.  I enjoyed it  although I am not certain how accurate it was.  The gal who played Pocahontos was a freaking babe though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that why they burned witches-to stay warm?  We can&#8217;t look down on them using our contemporary mores-its just not cricket!</p>
<p>I just watched a movie this weekend called &#8220;The New World&#8221; with Christian Bale and Colin Farrel.  I enjoyed it  although I am not certain how accurate it was.  The gal who played Pocahontos was a freaking babe though!</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some serious problems with this person&#039;s thesis.  First of all, Europeans had been on the East coast of the US for about 100 years before the Pilgrims arrived.    Juan Ponce de Leon founded St. Augustine, Florida in 1513.  Ponce de Leon so mistreated the natives that the Spanish removed him as Governor of Puerto Rico before he went to Florida.  I suspect one had to be particularly terrible for the Spanish to remove them.  100 years would have been plenty of time for plague to work its way up the East coast but measles and malaria would have been more likely to spread than plague which would have killed off the settlers in addition to the natives.  Plague is spread by fleas.  Fleas will bite a native the same as a settler. Settlers had no more or less immunity to plague than the natives did.  Natives would have some tolerance to measles.  Measles would be a regular &quot;childhood disease&quot; for the settlers but it would have killed practically every native that contracted it.

If anyone has seen a copy of this person&#039;s book, I would love to see the references and/or research notes.

But what is most important, we have learned a history that has been passed down for a long time.  There is a fair amount of documentation and records produced by the settlers.  Why am I to believe this person&#039;s conclusion over the historical account unless I am simply &quot;spring loaded&quot; to believe anything negative concerning early explorers and the conventional history.  This seems like it would appeal to people who already want to believe stories like this and from what I have heard so far, he doesn&#039;t seem to offer any convincing evidence.

For example, if a band of settlers were freezing to death, had no sheep or cotton from which to make blankets, I suppose it wouldn&#039;t be too far fetched to believe they might dig up graves if they knew it was a burial custom of the local inhabitants to bury their dead with blankets.  But on the other hand, if the locals were all dead when they arrived, they would have no idea that there were blankets there.  The author seems to take certain bits of documented record (a kernel of truth), expand on that without any basis, and ignore the rest of the documentation that is counter to his claims.  Besides, ever try digging in the ground in Massachusetts in the middle of winter?  It&#039;s frozen solid.  Or it would have been in the 1600&#039;s ... during the Little Ice Age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some serious problems with this person&#8217;s thesis.  First of all, Europeans had been on the East coast of the US for about 100 years before the Pilgrims arrived.    Juan Ponce de Leon founded St. Augustine, Florida in 1513.  Ponce de Leon so mistreated the natives that the Spanish removed him as Governor of Puerto Rico before he went to Florida.  I suspect one had to be particularly terrible for the Spanish to remove them.  100 years would have been plenty of time for plague to work its way up the East coast but measles and malaria would have been more likely to spread than plague which would have killed off the settlers in addition to the natives.  Plague is spread by fleas.  Fleas will bite a native the same as a settler. Settlers had no more or less immunity to plague than the natives did.  Natives would have some tolerance to measles.  Measles would be a regular &#8220;childhood disease&#8221; for the settlers but it would have killed practically every native that contracted it.</p>
<p>If anyone has seen a copy of this person&#8217;s book, I would love to see the references and/or research notes.</p>
<p>But what is most important, we have learned a history that has been passed down for a long time.  There is a fair amount of documentation and records produced by the settlers.  Why am I to believe this person&#8217;s conclusion over the historical account unless I am simply &#8220;spring loaded&#8221; to believe anything negative concerning early explorers and the conventional history.  This seems like it would appeal to people who already want to believe stories like this and from what I have heard so far, he doesn&#8217;t seem to offer any convincing evidence.</p>
<p>For example, if a band of settlers were freezing to death, had no sheep or cotton from which to make blankets, I suppose it wouldn&#8217;t be too far fetched to believe they might dig up graves if they knew it was a burial custom of the local inhabitants to bury their dead with blankets.  But on the other hand, if the locals were all dead when they arrived, they would have no idea that there were blankets there.  The author seems to take certain bits of documented record (a kernel of truth), expand on that without any basis, and ignore the rest of the documentation that is counter to his claims.  Besides, ever try digging in the ground in Massachusetts in the middle of winter?  It&#8217;s frozen solid.  Or it would have been in the 1600&#8217;s &#8230; during the Little Ice Age.</p>
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