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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, September 6th, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

31 Responses to “The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. Noyzmakr says:

    A commentary that was published on Beaufort Observer Online:

    Constitutional Convention–The real solution for the 2014 Elections

    From The Right-By: Bill Moore – September 06, 2013

    Everyone is talking about the importance of the 2014 election.

    Will the Republicans keep control of the House of Representatives? Will the Republicans take the Senate? Will they have veto proof majorities in both Houses?

    Will the Democrats take control of both Houses? If they do, what will president Obama do when there are no Constitutional controls to stop him?

    I think the emphasis is in the wrong place. At this point the Republicans completely control 24 State governments (governor and both houses). Democrats completely control 13. That leaves 17 states with split control. If the Republicans take complete control of 10 additional state governments they will have enough states to force a Constitutional Convention.

    I would just note that this idea was first floated by the great Mark Levin in his new book:
    The Liberty Amendments: Restoring the American Republic

    With the control of 34 State governments they can pass Constitutional Amendments to address the issues they could not handle in the past 5 years. At a minimum they could pass amendments that:

    • Term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court

    Forcing Congress to live under laws they pass

    • Revision of the tax code

    • Mandate Feds to develop all natural resources

    • Define Marriage

    • Clarify the meaning of Freedom of Religion so Religion is not under attack by the Feds

    • Further clarify States rights in the 10th Amendment

    Limit the power of Non elected government officials and regulations

    • Eliminate the power of the Executive Branch to select which parts of laws they will enforce

    • Require a balanced Budget

    Require the President and all of Congress not be paid until a budget is passed and signed. Money lost will not be returned in the event of a late budget but forfeited to the treasury.

    • Force the Administration to verify all applicants for benefits

    Think of it, no requirement for Congressional approval. When passed they become part of the Constitution. The Supreme Court cannot overturn Constitutional Amendments. Congress cannot repeal them without approval from 38 states.

    But they can ignore them!

    In deference to the rules of S&L and to be fair to the host website I only posted about 1/4 of this commentary.

    The guy make a helluva case and it does seem to be the only way we will ever get our government to listen to us. He goes on to state that even the threat of a constitutional convention would force congress to act as they should as it has had this effect in the past.

    • GetBackJack says:

      I hate … I mean hate disagreeing with fellow S&L’rs, but in this i must disagree. Any attempt to get the States to alter our Constitution will end in ways you can’t comprehend, making Law out of the most serious and radical anti-Life, anti-Freedom postulates ever imagined by the fever swamps of insane minds … all while thinking they’re the smartest guys in the room.

      It will be the zenith of the Doctrine of Unintended Consequences.

    • Noyzmakr says:

      Then it’s revolution then….

    • Curiosity says:

      I agree with Noyz. Jack’s right that people like that will try to have a voice, but I have faith that, with that many people involved in a non-mob mentality decision, more level heads will prevail.

    • Noyzmakr says:

      I also agree with GBJ that I wish no disagreement amongst the brothers and sisters here. This process could be wrought with peril from the corrupt and inept leadership we have now, but the state leadership, being closer to the people and thus more accountable, seems much more level headed and willing to do the will of the people.

      It isn’t like this would happen in a year or two. This would take over a decade or maybe two decades to accomplish. If we have that long.

      The arguments and wording would be well settled by the time of actually writing the amendments. There’s not much room for skullduggery there.

      Maybe as the ‘Contract with America’ was set forth in campaign and in reality, have a list that all can agree on and push, push, push. Even the list that Bill Moore has layed out in the commentary seems, for me, a bridge too far in some categories, but there is plenty of room for negotiation.

      Something must be done. It’s either constitutional or the bloody alternative, but something must be done.

    • Mithrandir says:

      1. This is what I posted a long time ago. A Constitutional Convention, since the mental illness known as Washington D.C. is incapable of regulating itself.

      2. There aren’t enough Republicans to make this work, and there will never be since there is no junior farm team cultivating new and upcoming breeds of politicians to take over. We are stuck with the liberal McCaininites, and I am proud to this day I never cast a ballot for him.

      3. The system must crumble-in upon itself. As bad as that sounds, you know that it is the only way to effectively start over. Use whatever metaphor you want, but sometimes it’s better to let the house burn to the ground to get rid of the infestation, and just rebuild fresh again. The foundation is cracked, the wood is rotten from neglect, and the rats and cockroaches own the place. You can blow all your time and money chasing your tail trying to fix it over and over again, but eventually, you have to concede that the rot is too deep and the rats outnumber you 10:1.

      Every system fails. Every empire dissolves, every bubble pops. Right now we are witnessing the end stages of a quivering “American Bubble” and it can’t keep expanding forever, eventually it will pop. Our creditors will stop loaning, demand to get paid (in gold) the printing presses will make our money useless like Zimbabwe, and we will be back planting seeds and harvesting our own food to survive again.

      No doubt, international aid, and refugee camps will keep those formerly dependent upon the government well fed for a while, but eventually they will starve to death, or be shot stealing food from somewhere.

    • Noyzmakr says:

      I’m sure all of you have seen this but….

      From varying posts around the web:

      About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2000 years earlier:

      “A democracy is always temporary in nature: it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.”

      “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

      The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.

      During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

      1. From bondage to spiritual faith.

      2. From spiritual faith to great courage.

      3. From great courage to liberty.

      4. From liberty to abundance.

      5. From abundance to complacency.

      6. From complacency to apathy.

      7. From apathy to dependence.

      8. From dependence back into bondage.

      Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Pul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts about the 2000 presidential elections:

      Number of States won by:

      Gore:19 ….. Bush: 29

      Square miles of land won by:

      Gore: 580,000 ….. Bush: 2,427,000

      Population of counties won by:

      Gore: 127 million ….. Bush: 143 million

      Murder rates per 100,000 residents in counties won by:

      Gore: 13.2 …..Bush: 2.1

      Professsor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.”

      “Gore’s territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare.” Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definintion of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the ‘government dependency’ phase.”

      If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s and they vote, then we can say goodby to the USA in fewer than five years.

      Apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

      Our house isn’t going to burn down and we rebuild it. As Mithrandir says, “….our foundation is cracked….”.

      We will fall into dictatorship. Chosen for us by those same people who are voting for socialism now. And most people won’t mind because in their minds they will have gotten what they wanted….someone else paying their way. At least at first.

      That “Man of Perdition” isn’t far off. Thankfully, I won’t be here to meet him. Going up, up, up!

  2. Mithrandir says:

    Obama steadfast on Syria strikes despite G20 opposition

    Look at the language Obama uses to trick people into this quagmire called Syria:

    “Gassing innocent people, delivering chemical weapons against children is not something we do,” Mr Obama said at a post-summit press conference. “It’s prohibited in active wars between countries, even more so against children, and we’ve got to stand up for that principle.”

    Just like immigration, we have to destroy our country for “the children.” The statement also makes no sense when you read it slowly. Gassing is prohibited, and even more so against children. So, it’s 100% prohibited, but against children is 110% prohibited. –Basically, he had to find a way to throw the word “children” in there one more time. Just like Bill Clinton did in Somalia. Remember how well that worked, saving kids and all.

    “One of the biggest concerns of the American people is understanding that what we’re describing here would be limited, proportionate and designed to address this chemical weapons use and uphold a norm that keeps all of us safe,” he said.

    THERE’S THE BUZZ WORDS that are supposed to unlock opposition to anything: children, limited, proportionate, safe. He’s keeping us safe! Who could be against that? Saving children’s lives!–by gosh how heartless we are to stand around and watch other Arab nations stand around and do nothing!

    A Nobel Peace Prize winner banging the drums for war. What happened to diplomacy? Well, they probably tried that, like they did with Iran, and when you just can’t bribe an Arab, you know the battle is lost.

    • canary says:

      “A Nobel Peace Prize winner banging the drums for war”

      Good point, and all those drones dropping on children. tsk tsk.

  3. Curiosity says:


    Thanks for your non-coverage of articles containing classified information. Several days per week I work on-site with my government customer, and accessing Drudge Report on the wrong days technically would have caused an incident. There was a specific directive regarding the Post articles on the Intel Budget (“WHAT EVER YOU DO, DON’T GO TO THAT WEBSITE AND READ THESE ARTICLES! Oh, and tell us if you or your friend did so we can keep you from getting work done for a long time as we get rid of your computer and give you a new one.”).

    So, thanks for keeping it to what you have (I confess I was worried when I saw the spoof of PRISM, until I saw it was modified as a joke). If you do choose to make such a post, please make the sensitive content non-visible from the main page and put a big warning in the header.

    It’s not that I want you to avoid newsworthy news. But I do want to avoid having to avoid S&L. I no longer go to Drudge Report when on base, and I’m glad I wasn’t in the habit of going to Washington Post.

    Thanks for your hard work here!

  4. Petronius says:

    Ten reasons against attacking Syria:

    1. Wrong commander in chief to get the job done –– a simple vote of no confidence.

    2. No clearly defined objective.

    3. No plan.

    4. The proposed attack is problematic and results are unpredictable; outbreak of a regional war is one possible result.

    5. No vital US interest at stake in Syria.

    6. It is another case of Nerobama’s selective outrage –– e.g., Iraq, where the crimes of Saddam Hussein passed without notice; or the brutal suppression of the uprising in Iran, where he continues to ignore the real enemy; or Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood’s attacks on Christians somehow escape his attention; or the massacre of Americans in Benghazi is “a bump in the road.” (Selective outrage is a characteristic of Liberals in general; thus Clinton ignored the provocations by Muslims in Kosovo and their crimes against the Christian Serbs.)

    7. There are no good guys in the Syrian civil war (except the Christians, and they look to Assad and the government troops for protection).

    8. No other countries are willing to join the effort because during the last five years America has repeatedly proven itself to be a feckless, irresolute, and unreliable ally.

    9. The US would have to borrow the money from China or Saudi Arabia to fight the war.

    10. Nerobama has stripped the US military to the bone, then broken the bones; as a result, America is no longer a superpower; it is unable to be the world’s policeman. It cannot even defend its own borders.

    • yadayada says:

      Petronius – I must respectfully disagree with your final statement. we are quite capable of defending our borders. those with power to do so simply choose to not.

    • Petronius says:

      Point taken, yada. So let me put it this way:

      Nerobama, Janet Incompetano, et al., have said that Congress does not allocate the resources needed to enforce the immigration laws –– the sequester is the fault of those nasty penny-pinching Republicans in Congress, right?

      As a result, DHS had to release 2600 alien felons from prison. The government just couldn’t afford to keep them locked up. The regime also claims that DHS must exercise “prosecutorial discretion” because the job of enforcing the immigration laws and controlling the border is too big and too expensive.

      So I’m just taking their statements at face value.

      And obviously fighting a new war is going to require far more resources than mere immigration enforcement.

      So I say to them, show me you can walk before you try to run. I say secure the border first; a country that cannot (or will not) defend its own borders has no business undertaking foreign military adventures.

    • canary says:

      There are nothing but dire reports even from the head of DOD as to half a trillion cuts and another half of trillion more cuts. So many on furloughs too.

      This administration doesn’t want our borders protected, nor American citizens nor U.S. Soldiers when they are getting the worst medical treatment since the war started.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Neither chemical weapons nor nerve agent weapons take well to being hit with HE (nigh explosives). In fact what will happen is wide area dispersal of those agents, rather than destroying them. To properly neutralize these weapons requires heat in excess of 2,100 degrees over a sustained period of time relative to many variables, and in contained safety areas.

      So, bombing Syria because Syria bombed Syria isn’t just stupid, it can end up being catastrophic on an unprecedented scale.

    • canary says:

      Yes, Get Back Jack.

      I think it’s the Obama and Kerry’s new version of dropping an atomic bomb as the gas will burn and clouds will spread for hundreds of miles killing far more than the rumor 1400 have died from the gas.

      And you can bet the gas is being moved all over the place just as it was in Iraq.

      Oh, well, John Kerry admitted to killing little baby’s in Vietnam and for Kerry to be so anti-Iraq, the hypocrisy is hilarious.

      For Kerry to say it’s necessary to attack to hold unknown Syrians accountable means this is more like revenge when it was not our country attacked.

      The anti-Vietnam War John Kerry is the biggest hypocrite in this country. One can imagine had he been elected president what he’d have done.

      SkyNews: Syria: John Kerry Claims Boost In Us Support

      Sept 8 2013

      Mr Kerry was boosted by Germany’s decision after the meeting to back a strongly-worded statement issued at the end of the G20 summit in Russia, blaming the Syrian government.

      He said: “We are very grateful for the statement that came out of the meeting today with respect to Syria, a strong statement about the need for accountability.”

      Later, Mr Kerry held further talks with Mr Fabius in Paris and spoke in French and English as he outlined the case for military action.

      He said the world should not be “spectators to slaughter”, but said President Obama had not yet decided whether to wait for the UN inspection report before taking action.

      In his weekly address to the American people, Mr Obama sought to emphasize that military action in Syria would not turn into a long-term conflict like Iraq or Afghanistan.

      He said: “There would be no American boots on the ground. Any action we take would be limited, both in time and scope – designed to deter the Syrian government from gassing its own people again and degrade its ability to do so.

      “We cannot turn a blind eye to images like the ones we’ve seen out of Syria. Failing to respond to this outrageous attack would increase the risk that chemical weapons could be used again, that they would fall into the hands of terrorists who might use them against us, and it would send a horrible signal to other nations that there would be no consequences for their use of these weapons.”

      During the summit Mr Obama said the world could not “stand idly by”, but Russian President Vladimir Putin warned it would be “outside the law” to attack without the UN’s blessing.

      Washington has prepared the ground for possible airstrikes, evacuating non-essential embassy staff from Beirut and urging Americans to avoid all travel to Lebanon and southern Turkey.


      So, much for Obama’s claim it would be a limited approach.
      And bleep Nancy Pelosi for calling Obama a “brave hombre” He can get away with anything.

    • canary says:

      Israel pissed at Obama for saying Israel is at risk of WMD’s from Syria when they don’t consider it a threat.


    • Mithrandir says:

      11. There are 193 members in the U.N. Minus the U.S. and Syria, that rounds out to be 191. Each country can contribute 1000 of their best men = 191,000 troops to go into Syria (China and India can afford to add 10 million each). They don’t want to sacrifice their men?– we don’t either!

      12. If we don’t have the money for White House tours, we don’t have money for cruise missiles.

      13. Our missiles WILL hit women and children. Even if they don’t, the Arabs seem to always have video to the contrary.

      14. It’s like trying to blow up only the bad turds in a moving sewer. Where and which ones are the bad turds? And isn’t crap going to go flying everywhere?

      15. The world ISN’T looking for American leadership. The world is looking to shrug off its responsibilities and dump them in some sucker’s lap (us). Like all welfare recipients, they feign stupidity and inaction knowing we will get frustrated with them and do it ourselves. Or in better terms, “The South-Vietnamese Army Effect.”

      16. We need to play a game of CHICKEN with the world and do NOTHING. Let the crying babies know, that no matter what evidence they find, or how much begging and screaming, threatening they do, how many piles of dead children the dig up, America is going to stay out of this. Just consistently prod the rest of the world to live up to their obligations in their region.

      I think if we try REALLY really REALLY hard, we can stay out of 1 international conflict. It’s like going to a restaurant with your wife or girlfriend and a totally hot chick walks and sits near you and you don’t look. It’s possible if you just ignore it. She laughs, giggles, throws her hair around, click-clacks all the way to the bathroom, bends over and picks up her cellphone in a short mini skirt, DON’T LOOK! Stay out of it, it’s none of your business. Have restraint and discipline. Plug your ears, put on your horse blinders, or just walk away, do anything but accept the temptation. America needs to stop bowing to even the slightest amount of peer pressure. We tell kids to “just say no” but our government can’t say no to anything.

    • canary says:

      I think boy king a fan of Truman would just drone the site, and say it wasn’t our drone but Syria that blew it up. Wait til the dust settles. Then everyone will send troops over who if they are blown up or shot, will have the new Syria Storm Syndrome.

      It will get as much notice as Russia’s spill, and people will forget.

      The French will only be willing to drone to, just as they did in Mali which only sent the terrorists further south as they do suicide bombings in Kenya.

  5. captstubby says:

    sure, when you put it that way…

  6. captstubby says:


    “I’m doing my part.”
    “Are you?”
    Figuring things out for yourself is practically the only freedom anyone really has nowadays. Use that freedom.”

    Starship Troopers

  7. canary says:

    AP bravely does their own survey on Syria in spite of the thugs from the DOJ and David Axelrod.

    AP: US: Proven link of Assad to gas attack lacking

    By Philip Elliott

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House asserted Sunday that a “common-sense test” dictates the Syrian government is responsible for a chemical weapons attack that President Barack Obama says demands a U.S. military response.

    “This is not a court of law. And intelligence does not work that way,” White House chief of staff Denis McDonough said during his five-network public relations blitz Sunday to build support for limited strikes against Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    “The common-sense test says he is responsible for this. He should be held to account,” McDonough said of the Syrian leader who for two years has resisted calls from inside and outside his country to step down.

    Asked in another interview about doubt, McDonough was direct: “No question in my mind.”

    Asked about Assad’s claims there is no evidence he used the weapons, Secretary of State John Kerry told reporters in London: “The evidence speaks for itself.”

    At the same time, Obama has planned his own public relations effort. He has scheduled six network interviews on Monday and then a primetime speech to the nation from the White House on Tuesday, the eve of the first votes in Congress.

    Sunday night, Obama dropped in on a dinner held by Vice President Joe Biden for Republican senators, including Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Susan Collins of Maine, Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and Bob Corker of Tennessee.

    Almost half of the 433 House members and a third of the 100-member Senate remain undecided, the AP survey found.

    But McDonough conceded the United States doesn’t have concrete evidence Assad was behind the chemical attacks.

    Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky said he would consider a filibuster, but noted the delay tactic was unlikely to permanently nix a vote. Paul would, however, insist his colleagues consider an amendment to the resolution that would bar Obama from launching strikes if Congress votes against the measure.

    Obama’s national security adviser, Susan Rice, plans to discuss Syria in a speech Monday at the New America Foundation and later meet with members of the Congressional Black Caucus.


    My goodness McDonough is learning flip flopping from John Kerry.
    And Obama is saying a 90 day battle without US troops involved? Ya think the US troops on the Turkey border with all those planes and tanks aren’t going to lift a finger in this?

    Well, 90 days at least means we don’t have to worry about the desperate King Obama flying AF1 and dropping bombs himself to get his own way.

    1400 hundred probably doesn’t add up to the sum of children killed by born and foreign gangs in the US each year.

  8. GetBackJack says:

    Mith, if I recall my scripture correctly all nations will turn on Israel in the Last Days. That comes pretty close to 191 nations contributing 1,000 troops each.

  9. heykev says:

    More proof that Obama Recession (as we should all be calling it now) is still going strong. Despite, as Steve keeps pointing out, the sycophants in the lap-dog media who keep cheering on a nonexistent, jobless recovery. Now they are cooking the job numbers even more so that the Obama Recession looks like a recovery to everyone in the media. But no one in “flyover country.”

    This from the September 8, 2013 WSJ:

    Welcome to Rockford, Ill, the Underwater Mortgage Capital of America
    The Housing Rebound Lifting Much of the U.S. Has Bypassed This Struggling Town
    ROCKFORD, Ill.—This beaten-down factory town has the highest share of upside-down mortgages in the nation. Mayor Larry Morrissey isn’t surprised. He is upside down himself. Once a prosperous manufacturing hub that created the airbrush and electric garage-door opener, Rockford is now the nation’s underwater capital. In about 32% of the metro area’s mortgages, the homes are worth less than the money owed. That is the highest percentage of any U.S. metropolitan area.


    It’s very sad going back to that town. EVERYONE you talk to, it seems is underwater.

    Elections have consequences. I believe that electing BHO has placed more people in poverty that anything this country has done.

  10. heykev says:

    What maybe the funniest video you’ll watch all week. From your friends at Second City.

    Help Kickstart World War III!
    “Help Barack Obama raise 1.6 Billion dollars for a very important, very progressive US war.”
    “Help Make WWIII a reality….why, Because Obama!”


    • heykev says:

      Trillion..it should have been Help Obama raise 1.6 TRILLION!

    • Noyzmakr says:

      I noticed late last night that this video was in the top 5 or so of the ‘Trending’ category on YouTube. That’s saying something as YT’s top videos with any political slant are almost exclusively liberal.

      I’ve even complained in the feedback section and asked how nerobama speech videos with 6,000 views show up in the ‘most popular’ category with videos with millions of views. When I bring it up in comments everyone agrees with me, even the libs.

      People are really getting sick of looking at and listening to numb nuts. He ain’t kewl anymore.

    • Noyzmakr says:

      BTW heykev…..love the avatar pic….lol. Is his name Elvis by any chance?

    • captstubby says:

      ” the funniest video you’ll watch ..”
      well, there was yesterdays White House News Brief when Jay Carney said…

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