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The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, November 8th, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

12 Responses to “The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. BillK says:

    Forgive me for being so conspiracy-minded, but am I the only one who feels like CBS’ “forced” retraction of the 60 Minutes Benghazi story because their main witness was “unreliable” seems like an awfully convenient way of discounting the entire Benghazi situation?

    It just reads to me like “See, there was nothing going on, the only guy speaking up has proven himself to be a liar.”

    Logan told “CBS Morning Show” anchors Norah O’Donnell and Jeff Glor that “60 Minutes” will apologize for the report Sunday.

    “The most important thing to every person at ’60 Minutes’ is the truth, and today the truth is that we made a mistake,” Logan said on the morning show. “That’s very disappointing for any journalist. It’s very disappointing for me. Nobody likes to admit that they made a mistake, but if you do, you have to stand up and take responsibility and you have to say that you were wrong.

    “And in this case, we were wrong. We made a mistake. And how did this happen?

    “Well, Dylan Davies worked for the State Department in Libya, was the manager of the local guard force at the Benghazi Special Mission compound.

    “He described for us his actions the night of the attack, saying he had entered the compound and had a confrontation with one of the attackers, and that he had seen the body of Ambassador Chris Stevens in a local hospital.

    “And after our report aired, questions were raised about whether his account was real, after an incident report surfaced that told a different story about what he’d done that night. He denied that report and said that he told the FBI the same story he told us. But what we now know is that he told the FBI a different story from what he told us.

    “That’s when we realized that we no longer had confidence in our source, and that we were wrong to put him on air, and we apologize to our viewers.”


    • Enthalpy says:

      BillK- Forgive you for recognizing this attempted communist coup? Everything they do promotes centralized governance-Stalinist in nature if necessary. Benghazi and the lives lost mean nothing to these zealots. The Progressive agenda is immense and our ability to make any choices is rapidly slipping away.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Long tradition — Plutarch’s Lives has this line: “The first messenger that gave notice of Lucullus’s coming was so far from pleasing Tigranes that he had his head cut off for his pains; and no man daring to bring further information, without any intelligence at all, Tigranes sat while war was already blazing around him, giving ear only to those who flattered him…” Wikipedia

      King Solomon – “Ain’t nothing new under the sun, son.”

      Me: “Bill, you’re only half correct. The Republican Party is in on it, too. ALL OF WASHINGTON is dedicated to Communizing the 50 States surrounding it.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      With a little rewriting license:

      “Well, Barack Obama is the President of the United States, was the biggest sales rep for the Affordable Care Act.

      “He described for us that if you like your healthcare plan and your doctor, you could keep them. He said this repeatedly, often, verbatim.

      “And after our report aired, questions were raised about whether his account was real, after the enrollment process began, a report surfaced that told a different story about what he said for the past five years. He denied that report and said that he told the the American people the same story he told us. But what we now know is that he told the American people a different story from what he told us.

      “That’s when we realized that we no longer had confidence in him, and that we were wrong to put him on air, and we apologize to our viewers.”

      See? This is all CBS needs to do; Hold Captain Clown Ears to the same standard that they hold everyone else to, right?

      OK…so a guy can dream, can’t he?

  2. captstubby says:

    “promotes centralized governance-”

    The INCOMPARABLE Atlas Shrugged

    “Well, there was something that happened at that plant where I worked for twenty years. It was when the old man died and his heirs took over. There were three of them, two sons and a daughter, and they brought a new plan to run the factory. They let us vote on it, too, and everybody – almost everybody – voted for it. We didn’t know. We thought it was good. No, that’s not true, either. We thought that we were supposed to think it was good. The plan was that everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his need.”


    “You propose to establish a social order based on the following tenets: that you’re incompetent to run your own life, but competent to run the lives of others — that you’re unfit to exist in freedom, but fit to become an omnipotent ruler — that you’re unable to earn your living by use of your own intelligence, but able to judge politicians and vote them into jobs of total power over arts you have never seen, over sciences you have never studied, over achievements of which you have no knowledge, over the gigantic industries where you, by your own definition of capacity, would be unable successfully to fill the job of assistant greaser.”

  3. captstubby says:

    good one Rusty.
    Atlas Shrugged:The Next Generation.

  4. Mithrandir says:

    Virginia Governor’s Elections Results
    NYT: http://tinyurl.com/poeyyjg

    Democrat Terry McAuliffe: 1,066,149
    Republican Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II 1,010,929
    Libertarian Robert Sarvis 145,762

    By my calculator and logic, Republicans decided it was best (yet again) NOT to make a Republican / Libertarian small government coalition, in order to win an election –using other people’s money.

    Am I the only one who understands this madness correctly? Republicans LOST by 55,220 votes, and thought it wise to leave, and not go after, 145,762 votes left on the table and WIN by 90,542 votes?

    A Lot Can Be Gleaned From These Election Results
    ►145,762 voters decided it was well-worth “throwing their vote away” on a candidate that had no chance of winning, rather than support the same 2-party cabal that has ruined our nation. 6.6% of the population decided the system is so utterly hopeless, it’s better to vote for a loser, with dignity, than chose a winner, with shame.

    ►Republicans blame being “out-spent” as an excuse for losing, rather than taking blame for not going after every vote available to them.

    ►Cuccinelli is a LAWYER, and I wouldn’t have voted for him either. When you have lawyers in the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary, WHERE ARE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES WHEN THEY ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME LAWYER’S GUILD?

    ►Voters, once again, WASTED their time / money / energy funding a party that has no idea how to win elections.

    ►The Republican brand-name is so sullied by inaction, and McCainism, that voters sit at home because they know the party is too afraid to stand for anything. How about DO SOMETHING to earn a vote, rather than expect a vote in return for future election promises, that we know are completely empty?

    When Republicans give their losing speech and say stuff like, “We did everything we could to win this election”…..I just look at the people in the audience who actually believe that, and wonder what they are really thinking when they see the poll results? Did you REALLY do ALL that you could? Hmm, I don’t think so.

    My only hope is the Republicans get phased out, and replaced with just about anything else, perhaps the Tea Party, Libertarians, Constitution Party, Whig Party, Quaker Party, —pretty much any replacement would be an improvement

    • captstubby says:

      “We did everything we could to win …”

      “With a little rewriting license:”
      following Rustys lead;

      we take…
      French Surrender Jokes
      (seasonally adjusted.)

      You really do have to hand it to the Republicans…After all, they won’t fight for it.

      Q. How do Republicans say hello?
      A. “I Surrender.”

      Q: What’s the motto of the Republican Party?
      A: Stop, drop, and run!

      Q: How many Rebulicans does it take to defend the Constitution?
      A: Nobody knows, it’s never been tried.

      Q: What’s the shortest book ever written?
      A:” Republican Election Victorys 2008- 2013.”

      Q. What do you call 100,000 Republicans with their hands up?
      A. RHINOS.

      Contenders for the
      REPUBLICAN Anthem title

      I Can’t help Myself (John Fogerty)
      I Give up (Heart)
      Pretending (Eric Clapton)
      I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry (Cowboy Junkies)
      Raise your hands (Bon Jovi)

      Chicken Dance

      White Flag (Dido)

      Loser (3 Doors Down)

      Burning Bridges (Garth brooks)

    • Petronius says:

      Sorry Mith but I have to disagree with your bullets.

      You seem to have assumed that the Cuccinelli campaign and the Republican campaign were one and the same. In fact, the Republican Establishment had little interest in seeing Cuccinelli, a Tea Party favorite, win in Virginia. There were actually two Republican campaigns run in Virginia–the openly conservative Cuccinelli campaign and the Establishment’s subterranean anti-Cuccinelli campaign.

      • “Republicans decided it was best (yet again) NOT to make a Republican / Libertarian small government coalition….”

      Sarvis was an embittered ex-Republican spoiler who was never willing to join forces with Republicans and conservatives against McAwful. Apart from his simmering anti-white racial grievances, Sarvis’ big differences with Cuccinelli were on the matters of same-sex marriage and relaxation of drug laws. Same sex marriage and legalization of drugs are not popular causes in Virginia, and it would have been suicide for Cuccinelli, as Attorney General, to go there (even if he had wanted to). In all other respects, however, Cuccinelli is in fact a libertarian conservative who actively went after the libertarian vote. Ron Paul and Rand Paul both campaigned hard in Virginia for Cuccinelli.

      If you want to take a stand on gay marriage and drugs, then fine. But those 6.5 percent who voted for Sarvis have to consider that their votes helped elect McAwful and that, as a result, Virginians will lose liberty. Virginia will become less free, may become in fact another Maryland–corrupt, rotten to the core, higher taxes, full-blown ObamaCare and Medicaid subsidies, poorer run government services, gun control, shutting down the coal industry (people are starving in the coal mining towns in Southwest Virginia, but who cares about them? certainly not Mr. Sarvis), less business, fewer jobs, more debt, and bigger government. And Virginia, once a key swing State, will become Hillary’s pathway to victory in 2016.

      Where is the “dignity” in that? That’s just too big a price to pay for throwing a Libertarian snit over drugs and gay marriage.

      • “Republicans blame being ‘out-spent’ as an excuse for losing….”

      Cuccinelli was outspent by McAwful by a huge margin. I have little doubt that if Cuccinelli had received his proper share of Republican money, he would have won this election.


      Although Cuccinelli won the nomination at the State convention, he received only nominal financial support from the Republican Governors Fund or the RNC. He received only one-third the amount that Gov. Bob McDonnell received four years ago. Instead, the Republican Establishment spent its money on the New Jersey race, even though Gov. Christie had no serious opposition there. The Republican moderates in Virginia (Bill Bolling, Tom Davis, Eric Cantor, Vince Callahan, et al.) actively opposed Cuccinelli and helped engineer his defeat. Cantor’s staff actually worked on McAwful’s campaign. NJ Gov Christie also refused repeated requests to campaign in Virginia for the beleaguered Cuccinelli. Without access to Republican money or outside support, Cuccinelli had to rely chiefly on private individual donations of Virginians.

      • “Cuccinelli is a LAWYER, and I wouldn’t have voted for him either.”

      Yes, as Attorney General, we should hope that Cuccinelli was a lawyer (and a darned good one, at that). Cuccinelli was the first State Attorney General to bring suit against ObamaCare. He also supported the Arizona immigration law before the Supreme Court when Tigellinus-Holder’s DOJ launched its attacks. Sarvis the Libertarian was also a lawyer, but of no distinction. McAwful was a place holder and bag man for the Clinton money machine and doesn’t have the faintest clue about Virginia law or governance; judging from McAwful’s statements on the campaign trail, he’s not even interested. He’s not even from Virginia, for Pete’s sake.

      “Voters, once again, WASTED their time / money / energy funding a party ….”

      If they sent their money to the Republican Party it was indeed a waste, because Cuccinelli saw very little of it. Most of the money went to New Jersey (where it wasn’t needed). If they sent their money directly to the Cuccinelli campaign, as I did (even when Cuch was 12 percent down in the polls), then at least they struck a blow for real liberty and put the fear of goodness into the Bolsheviks.

      • “How about DO SOMETHING to earn a vote….?”

      If you wanted a “do something” Republican, then Cuch should have been your guy. You have to acknowledge that Cuch is a good conservative candidate when he’s attacked on all sides as being “extremist,” “radical,” “Tea Party,” “anti-woman” etc.

      Cuccinelli and his supporters in Virginia did in fact do everything they could to win. But the racial demographics, the Republican Elites, and the Libertarian idiots are against them.

    • Mithrandir says:


      I think what I was also alluding to was this: Since campaigns are filled with lies and empty promises, the Cuccinelli people could have AT LEAST given lip-service to the Libertarian crowd, and then just blindly done whatever they wanted after an election WIN.

      Yes, Cuccinelli was a Tea Party guy, and a good lawyer, however, I still would not have voted for him, as one of my criteria is to NEVER vote for a lawyer. We have enough of those squabbling fools in office.

      The hard lessons from the hard-headed will blame everyone other than themselves. Ron Paul was a candidate in 2008, and 2012, but the Republicans decided to lose 2 major elections rather than embrace him. They also thought it was wise to forsake Libertarianism rather than win a Governorship in Virginia as well.

      Some day, the head-scratching, and finger-pointing will end, and they will wise-up. Europe has all sorts of coalitions thrown together in order to govern, however Republicans would rather not govern all together it seems.

      It’s for the best. Until they figure it out, the dirtbag democrats will continue to doom this already doomed nation, so what’s the use of it all anyway?

  5. captstubby says:

    “the Libertarian idiots are against them.”

    my brother in law , Libertarian who seen the light in 2012,
    to prevent Obama from a second term ,
    well, you know,
    surprise, surprise,

    voted for a third party candidate
    that had no chance of winning.

    and future elections will be determined this way.


    Hillary for the Win.

  6. canary says:

    Interesting slant on

    A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:
    There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin ..

    Over the last several months, Wisconsin ‘s hunters became the eighth largest army in the world.

    (That’s more men under arms than in Iran . More than France and Germany combined. )

    These men, deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with firearms,

    That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and
    Michigan ‘s 700,000 hunters, ALL OF WHOM HAVE RETURNED HOME SAFELY.

    Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the
    hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.
    And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states.
    It’s millions more.

    ________ The point? _______________________________________
    America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower!
    Hunting… it’s not just a way to fill the freezer.
    It’s a matter of national security.
    That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.

    Overall it’s true, so if we disregard some assumptions that hunters
    don’t possess the same skills as soldiers, the question would still remain…

    What army of 2 million would want to face 30 million, 40 million, or 50 million armed citizens???

    For the sake of our freedom, don’t ever allow gun control or confiscation of guns.
    Don’t know if the above figures are factual as for hunters, but imagine those that don’t hunt who own fire arms.

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