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The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, November 15th, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

9 Responses to “The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. Petronius says:

    “Your children’s children will live under communism. You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright; but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands.”
    – Nikita Khrushchev, shoe-banging speech at UN, 29 Sep 1959

    As the events of this week have shown, all Liberals are dishonest, from the President on down. They’re all a bunch of liars, thieves, and crypto-communists living in an ideological fantasy land.

    Whenever there is conflict between Liberal doctrine and reality, then reality must always be swept aside. This is a characteristic of ideological thinking in general, and of Liberalism in particular. Thus there is no conceivable amount of evidence or logical analysis, no observation, no experiment, no quantity of facts, that will shake a Liberal from his or her doctrine. When the evidence of reality is so overwhelming that it cannot be refuted by a sane mind, the Liberal simply closes his/her eyes and tunes out. The press conference by Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, James Clyburn, and the rest of the Democrat House leadership is instructive. Their denials were nothing but a patchwork of lies to cover up their old lies. ObamaCare is crumbling all around them, yet their faith in government central planning remains unshaken.

    Ask a Liberal where all this is going; what’s their end game, their final solution, their ultimate Utopia?

    Liberals will seldom give you a straight answer. Because when you begin to peel back the onion of Liberalism, and the closer you get to its center, you find that at the core they are all confirmed socialists, neo-Marxist revolutionaries, Bolshevik thugs and communists.

    Their first priority is redistribution of wealth and equality of incomes and outcomes. In a candid moment, Nerobama advocated redistributionism to Joe the Plumber in the 2008 campaign. Thus ObamaCare is essentially a scheme to redistribute wealth and health care from people who have health insurance to people who don’t.

    You can’t accomplish that redistribution without canceling existing plans and replacing them with more expensive plans. The regime attempts to justify this by telling you that your old plan was a “bad apple” plan and that you’re getting better coverage with your new ObamaCare plan––once the new plans are finally available. (Socialism always means standing in line.) But that’s just an excuse to hide what is really happening. ObamaCare is a blueprint for stealing. For redistribution.

    I have no doubt that––although they’ll seldom admit it––they aim for nationalization of the entire healthcare industry. John Podesta almost spilled the beans this week. … And then what else? Energy? Certainly. Transport? Yes. Utilities? Definitely. Food and beverages? Check. Banks and the monetary system? Already under government control. Telecom? Ditto. The mainstream media? Ditto. The internet? Coming soon.

    Their method is foot-in-the-door regulation, followed by more regulation, and finally nationalization. And note that each step is irreversible. (And this is true no matter how bad the results. Did you see how fiercely they resisted any suspension of ObamaCare, any corrections or improvements to ObamaCare, even though it’s a full blown disaster? Even though some Americans are already dying?!)

    The first step, regulation, is usually taken in response to some opportune event. Gun control is a prime example. First Sandy Hook. Then proposed legislation to ban semi-automatic rifles (“assault weapons”) and private sales of firearms (“universal background checks” to “close the gun show loophole”). The next step would be registration. Then confiscation of all small arms.

    Thus the bankruptcies of Enron and WorldCom triggered demands for new accounting and securities laws and regulations. The result was a piece of crap called the Sarbanes-Oxley Act which imposed prison sentences on top corporate management for accounting errors. (Imagine if politicians were only held to the same standards!) The main effect of Sarbanes-Oxley was to drive business out of the United States and off of the US stock exchanges. It killed the start-up of new public businesses in America and has been a major force for unemployment since it was enacted by Congress and signed into law by President Bush in 2002. Sarbanes-Oxley was responsible for the shift of M&A and other financial business from America to London. It helped restore the City’s position as the world’s financial center. London firms now recruit American (and other foreign) investment bankers and attorneys to put together new companies and financial products in London that can be resold on world markets to American investors. The Hong Kong exchange has become the center for new business IPOs. As the Wall Street Journal reported, “The new laws and regulations have neither prevented frauds nor instituted fairness. But they have managed to kill the creation of new public companies in the U.S., cripple the venture capital business, and damage entrepreneurship.” (21 Dec 2008) Sluggish American economic growth and persistent unemployment have been the only tangible results of Sarbanes-Oxley. Yet it’s irreversible.

    The Liberals’ attitude is that ordinary people are not capable of leading their lives without direction from above, from the Liberal Elites. And that people have no right to choose their own way of life. No right to be different. No freedom to excel and become unequal. Instead every choice must be made by central planners who are imbued with a wisdom, expertise, fairness, and morality far superior to our own. Of course rather than admit this, the Liberals will always seek to hide their true identity, beliefs, and aims. Because they know that once that big, brutish progressive cat is out of the bag, nobody else wants any part of it. They could never get elected if the truth about them were known. And then their game would be up.

    Three million people were massacred in Cambodia and Vietnam after the Democrats in Congress withheld funding and forced the US out. But when Republicans seek to defund ObamaCare just listen to the stream of Liberal invective: “terrorists,” “jihadists,” “arsonists,” “blackmailers,” “anarchists,” “monkey wrenchers,” “gun to the head,” “Taliban,” “anarchy gang,” “right wing extremists,” “banana republic,” “bomb strapped to their chest” “callous bigoted tools,” and “Neanderthals.” (That last one is particularly hurtful because I am 6.1 percent Neanderthal and Denisovian. I know because my wife had me tested. National Geographic Geno 2.0.)

    Those three million lives don’t even register on the Liberal mind. For them the slaughter is simply irrelevant because the US shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Lenin and Stalin killed tens of millions without batting an eye. Mao over one hundred million. Che Guevara thousands. No difference. Those guys are Liberal folk heroes. Most Liberals, if the truth were known, still pine for the return of Stalin’s body to the mausoleum in Red Square.

    And so if 95 million Americans lose their health insurance, and if millions of them die for lack of prompt medical care, well, no sweat … that’s the price we have to pay for “reform” of America’s “broken” health care system.

  2. GetBackJack says:

    Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963


    Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

    At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

    [From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

    1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

    2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

    3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

    4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

    5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

    6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

    7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

    8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

    9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

    10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

    11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

    12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

    14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

    15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

    16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

    23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

    32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

    35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

    36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

    37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

    38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

    39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

    42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.

    43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

    44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

    45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Now, know what makes Mr. Herlong and his revelation of Intelligence-gathered list of Communist Goals so important?

      Herrlong served in the House for nine Terms.

      As a Democrat.

    • Petronius says:

      There’s a big difference between an old-fashioned Democrat and a raging Marxist. One’s just someone you disagree with, and the other is the enemy.

      Old-fashioned Democrats don’t really exist much anymore … maybe Erskine Bowles, Sam Nunn, Joe Lieberman, Leon Panetta, or Kirsten Powers, but most of them are retired and I’m not too sure about some of them anyway. By and large what we’ve got now are the raging Marxists and Bolshevik thugs.

      Unfortunately most Americans, including most Republican politicians, don’t seem able to tell the difference.

    • GetBackJack says:

      Sam Nunn is the only member of Congress who ever answered me. I would write him and I always received an actual letter from him. (back in the 80s) Here’s the kicker .. his response was always to the subject matter I wrote him about. See, every member of Congress I’ve tried to have a conversation with responded and responds with Form responses. I’ve kept track .. 82% of those Form responses have had >b>nothing to do with what I contacted their Office about.

      I write about a Trade Agreement and get back a From response about Women’s Issues. It is maddening beyond my ability to speak civilly.

      Democrats. They are the enemy. Republicans have turned as well. So, my stand is now WASHINGTON IS OUR ENEMY.

    • captstubby says:

      Liberals, Socialists, Marxists,Syndicalism Communists, Progressives, Labor Partys,,a New World Order or The Democratic party ,
      are just the names of the nine heads on the one Hydra.
      and every time one head is removed ,two more grow in its place.
      Community Organizing and Yahoo/ ABC News.

      the Organizations on the list of are Legion.

  3. Astravogel says:

    April, 1960. “By calling attention to a well-regulated militia, the security of the nation, and the
    right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our founding forefathers recognized the essentially
    civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of government
    tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our Nation,
    the Amendment still remains a major declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in
    which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason,
    I believe the Second Amendment will always be important.” John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Life
    Member of the National Rifle Association. (Courtesy The American Rifleman, December 2013.)

    • captstubby says:


      “Today we need a nation of minute men; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.” –“Message to Those Participating in Roosevelt Day Commemoration, 29 January 1961,” Box 111, President’s Outgoing Executive Correspondence, White House Central Files, Subject File, Presidential Papers, Papers of John F. Kennedy, John F. Kennedy Presidential Library

      Seven Days in May

      When discussing the possibility of a complete military takeover in the country after reading the book Seven Days in May, President Kennedy said, “…if there were a third Bay of Pigs, it could happen.” He paused and then said “But it won’t happen on my watch.” –Related in The Pleasure of His Company, Paul Fay, Jr., New York: Harper & Row, 1966, p.190

      “Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Liberals.”

    • canary says:

      CAN Christian Action Network started a separate “minuteman” program. They’ve done documentaries on Muslim Training Camps around the US. It’s no secret. Even the CIA has a map of them. They work with intelligent churches on being prepared for attacks, and keep up with politics, the constitution and everything. They have former military and intelligence that gives speeches and all.

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