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The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, November 22nd, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

9 Responses to “The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. canary says:

    To make a complex rapidly expanding of US importing recycled garbage from around the globe that goes in human mouths along with the government regulating what you sill eat and what you won’t eat.

    I learned ago that the made in the USA with a colored flag usually meant the packaging or can something food came in.

    The rising cost of plastic though it’s thinner and of poor quality from taxation of companies that dare make plastic is an entire different story.

    For anyone buying food items or items of cardboard or paper, both the greenie environmentalists and the normal are most likely experiencing the same difficulty in even if food items have a long expiration period that could never be reached simply because the cardboard
    containers and plastic wrapping made of “paper board” (new term to go with daily green talk terms that grow most likely more than every 3 seconds something happens in the world) falls apart
    destroying the food items contained – or from companies who are more honest and stamp shorter expiration notices that people need to start noticing for their health and well being…

    Noticing a product doesn’t work so well cleaning is do to more water so you must use twice as much. This just happened to labeled green dish soap I’ve used for several years that jumped in price. Just squeeze in twice the amount, but no matter because it’s not going to last long with a plastic container that is really made of 100% “paper board”. It’s impossible. It’s impossible that 100 % paper can be made into shiny plastic, however with 100% “paper board” magic happens.

    I have to be astonished at a container of cashews costing less than any cashews I’ve bought in
    decades, but the “made in USA” and city and state may be meaningful. Why doesn’t it say the nut is “grown in the USA”. Why, after on some products reading a long list of city and states part of the package or an item in this country is made.
    I choose to hope the low cost cashew is so cheap because it was grown in the US and wasn’t grown in Africa where I must be concerned because of “the water”. Not picking on Africa, because I don’t like food grown in Mexico because of “the water”.
    That old reliable “Planters” brand is meaningless anymore when they are importing nuts from Africa. And I don’t even bother with “Peter Pan” after that recall.

    But, no one ever thinks when there is a food poisoning recalls on spinach or peanut butter. Infant formula from China is a given.
    While the world picks up quickly and easily on the simplest labeling on consumer products edible or dishes and cooking utensils you consume in your bodies, no one thinks to read further than “product of USA” or “Recycled” which should always make one’s alarm go off to “danger”.

    To add to the complexity of what I’m trying to express within my brain functioning with obvious difficulty to speak or write in English my native Caucasian ethnic tongue infringed with an near overnight onslaught of companies using the second name in their company as “Company” for example, but add capital letters for grammar’s sake; “global company. global universal company.
    world global company, etc.”…
    “products and food that literally travel all over the world, even entering the US in some form, then going to another country for a tweak, and making it’s way back into the USA” can cost a lot of money. I have no idea what ships or what countries ships are used, but I’m sure they all are something like “global shipping. international shipping. world shipping.”

    This leads me to the most insane importing the USA is committing at a rapid pace. The USA is importing recyclable garbage from middle-east and most likely other countries, because the USA is a little behind the UN agenda. But, from the smallest towns (cities) and largest cities in the USA who have adopted the UN agenda and endless regulations on environmental issues from puddles of water to moving everyone from rural areas into high rise buildings, which just like the food packaging disintegrating even before you buy the food item, these buildings and all new homes are meant to fall apart quickly. It’s the point of the EPA and all it’s giant non-profit organizations being developed and paid for “job creation” to make everything degrade and easily be turned into dust.
    Building or producing anything to last to include human beings is contrary to the EPA and UN guidelines of a “sustainable” world. Nothing is meant to sustain.
    Forget the human being is at the top of the “food chain”. Forget your anger that “pests, bugs, invisible to human eyesight has more rights to eat your home and leave you living in the dirt or in grass or mud huts.
    Back to imported garbage from around the world. The USA is behind in the UN agenda. Agenda 21, ICLIE with so many monikers.

    One of the larger problems Morsi encountered when he and the Muslim Brotherhood took over running Egypt was garbage and litter. I’ve posted a few times about this problem and how the Coptic Christians are being starved out and murdered and their only job of collecting and recycling garbage was taken from them. Those poor Christian children living inn Egypt making a video wasted. They even glamorized their job in the video from living in high rise ruins with garbage 4 stories high; pigs and rats running around to keep the pork and “Muslim non-believers” away. Pig’s and rats especially were especially a nuisance around meal time when the Christians
    ate the best parts of food they wiped off the garbage. A half a loaf of moldy bread was luxury to the Christians. The Christians in middle-eastern countries efforts of beautiful techno color and
    natures beauty and lighting could not save their jobs eating and sleeping in garbage.
    Morsi immediatly adapted Turkey’s garbage system as they are so update on Agenda 21 and
    ICLIE and they hired garbage recycling experts, to clean up their trash build up from the revolution. Perhaps with the new revolution that so angers some US leaders the Christians will get their garbage way of life back instead of the Morsi patrol hunting them out and slaughtering them while US leaders and main media turn a blind eye.

    The US can’t stop importing recycled garbage from other countries in order to follow the stringent EPA regulations and the Food Enhancement Act.

    And don’t be fooled by those tags on cotton towels with faded and bronzed brown like they were printed in the pioneer days. If they were made in the USA it’s doesn’t mean USA grown cotton.
    And if it says 100% cotton grown in the USA chances are greatest the USA shipped the cotton to some other country to make the towels and then pay to ship them back into the USA.

    If eating garbage from other countries, outsourced jobs to other countries doesn’t bother you, than perhaps what should worry us is DISASTER in the USA.

    If the USA does not know how to make anything or grow anything than just what will we do in case of a Natural or Man made disaster. You will be shot if you cut down a tree to burn it for wood and same warm. This country will be so dependent on other countries one way or another they will run us in the One World Order we are living in today.

    If the above example of garbage alone does not give you a glimpse of One World Order than wait until the “Change” you can believe in occurs.

    And if the world running the USA doesn’t seem real to you here’s some oldies to think about.

    “Radio Flyer” brand wagons. It’s impossible to know where the plastic comes from. Each little metal or plastic wagon comes from different city and states. And each lot may change with the wind.
    But, why are the Radio Flyer (copying Little Tike) that come from “Chicago Illinois” see no need to mark their colorful boxes on the shelves of stores all over the country not even give measurements so you know how large or small the wagon is, yet alone all the consumer information of making and packaging.
    Is Radio Flyer in Chicago Illinois using minorities from other countries from around the world who don’t know US measurements and English to give these measurements as to what the heck you are buying? The stores can’t put it in their “item details or descriptions”
    I don’t know if Radio Flyer has them on their site because I don’t want to wait on their site to load.
    And good old Wisconsin. Now what was is it coming out of Racine Wisconsin that rang a bell.
    UN partnered with Racine Wisconsin where the “squirrels’ are taking over. Those Fall nuts just aren’t enough. The overpopulating has led to Spring buds off trees being eaten killing vegetation
    needed to produce oxygen and shade to cool the earth. Forget about them eating wood homes to live in your attics. Forget about a “little biddy garden plantation” even if you don’t have little poor Spanish or Latino ethnic children to volunteer; their reward to go home and show their parents how to grow their own garden or reward of lettuce and peas instead of cookies or candy that might enjoy. My apologies for a very difficult read full of errors. It’s just it’s a tiny tip of the growing iceberg boggles my mind.

    produce them

    • canary says:

      And shame on Quaker Oats. Their “old fashioned” forever changing colorful and health factoring b.s. with the old Quaker man’s photos that never leaves.
      If you’ve noticed an oat or many on grocery shelves in the “oats” section. Just pick up and look at the bottom of their “paper board” packaging. Watch out, one little poke of the finger and the bottom will fall out.
      Whether Quaker Oat’s overnight price gauging may be do to their packaging problems or stores.
      But, since many items used for Thanksgiving have skyrocketed overnight, not sure whose doing the gauging. I would think the demand and supply would lower prices this time of year.
      As far as rice goes Uncle Ben’s rice wins out for my pick in overall ratings in all categories in judging. And for my critics…well…women. They never shut up. All they do is shop. And it’s not even fun spending and guiltless buying of necessary goods. It’s a nightmare and ignorance is bliss. Just pick out whatever anymore and save time.

    • Curiosity says:

      “If the USA does not know how to make anything or grow anything then just what will we do in case of a Natural or Man made disaster?”

      This is sobering to think about. I’ll be fairly sunk. I’m aiming to slowly build up the skill to get by, but I’m pretty well a city boy.

      A few years ago my boss gave me an old bow, but I’m no good at firing it. I’d like to learn to hunt – Ohio has a pretty generous bag limit – but even if I brought down a deer, I don’t even know how to field dress it, let alone butcher it.

      A lady at my church offered to have me help slaughter chickens – a practical skill few Americans have anymore – but I was too busy with my grad school work this year (in front of a computer of course), so I put it off hoping I won’t need the skill in the next year.

      My ‘garden’ is called Walmart.

      I’m wondering if I don’t have a mild internet addiction. For a very brief time a several years back, I had a genuine addiction to World of Warcrack.

      And many people around me are in worse shape – a much weaker work ethic and no self defense skills (I could protect myself and others from anyone that isn’t super trained). I am competent and able bodied enough to build a basic house (though probably with great difficulty) and have enough of a scouting background to get clean water.

      Very sobering indeed.

    • canary says:

      I have one of my defense weapons always ready to go to save time and act quickly disregarding safety measures The protective black leather snap to hold it in it’s little holster is unsnapped and I do not use the safety lever. It’s insane to think you have the time to unsnap it, turn it, and squeeze down and turn with one hand and do it quickly at that. The mace on my key chain is ready to fire and so far no accidental discharges.

      Well, I did not get a chance to get into just why tall the property taking that has a puddle during the Spring.

      The expensive PCP pipes they claim are releasing chemicals that mimic the production of estrogen. The theory is spinned so I’m not sure what they are saying.

      The EPA is now saying digging water wells and pipes are water “fracking” and there are more regulations keeping farmers from irrigating their gardents.

      They looking towards “solar toilets” that do not need water.

      And turning “human waste into electricity”.

      So, far only a grant to a University in Seattle to students that “turned human waste into gas”
      This leads me to believe that the world will stink as human waste and all it’s toxins will be used
      as an alternative to fuel and heating houses.

      You have to wonder if these grants are being given to universities so students can’t patent their

      But, going after people’s tiny ponds and water in ditches are all dug into larger areas to hold water. There is less damage in turning puddles into ponds than digging deep wells and sewage.

      You don’t have to go to EPA site to learn this stuff. There are millions global wide non-profit companies getting funded to figure out a new way to handle human waste and urine with
      solar toilets and urine and feces being used to make electricity. Perhaps you have to drop a marble for momentum.

      Anyways, you don’t even have to get the EPA site to search this. There are innumerable non-profit organizations working on this.

  2. Astravogel says:

    For Curiosity: Find a set of Enclylopedia Britannica from the late 19th. Century.
    Civilization can be rebuilt using that, and the paper is good quality. There’s
    even been a science fiction story based on a ‘lost colony’ which did that with
    only that resource. Then get the “Foxfire” series. Last, be ready to defend your
    local Walmart, especially the spice department. You can barter that. By the way,
    anybody find any .22 cartridges available anywhere?

  3. captstubby says:

    if no new folly (if possible,) from Washington comes along in the next few days, it maybe a slow week .
    here is a little something through-en together to past the time.

    Obamacare / Five year plan.

    a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.

    “When change is absolute… no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. ”
    George Santayana

    Stalin’s Radical Program
    As the largest and most profitable branch of the socialized economy—and one whose focus on producing goods for consumption assigned it the status of a neglected stepdaughter in the Bolshevik value system—the Soviet textile industry had but one fundamental assignment during the First FiveYear Plan (FFYP, 1928–1932): to produce a massive surplus for the development of heavy industry. The tribute demanded of cloth—3.5 billion rubles, or more than one-fourth of the capital investment targeted for industry by the plan—represented almost the entire value of the industry’s gross annual output, and almost double the value of its fixed capital stock. According to the Supreme Economic Council (Vesenkha), such a sum could be accumulated—if, indeed, it could be accumulated at all—only by increasing the size of the labor force by 13 percent, slashing the costs of production by 31 percent, boosting annual output of cloth by 86 percent, and doubling the productivity of labor.

    Like the plan that gave birth to it, the strategy of forced capital accumulation as applied to the textile industry suffered fatal flaws. First, it was too ambitious. The Soviet Union was economically backward compared with the world’s major industrial nations—indeed, it was to overcome such backwardness that the revolution “from above” was launched in the first place—and not even the United States or Germany could have successfully carried out in five years sucha far-reaching transformation of their own, much wealthier and more advanced, textile industries. Second, the strategy lacked internal coherence: for technical reasons that industry experts understood even if party leaders did not, some goals could be achieved only at the expense of others. For example, factor productivity inevitably would suffer as a result of: the substitution of low-quality domestic for high-quality imported raw cotton; the reduction in the density of thread; the deferral of capital investment; the introduction of roundthe-clock production; and, at least in the near term, the implementation of unfamiliar, if theoretically superior,
    ( scientific management .”The easy availability of replacement labor, which allowed Taylor to choose only ‘first- class men,’ was an important condition for his system’s success.” The situation in the Soviet Union was very different. “Because work is so unrhythmic, the rational manager will hire more workers than he would need if supplies were even in order to have enough for storming. Because of the continuing labor shortage, managers are happy to pay needed workers more than the norm, either by issuing false job orders, assigning them to higher skill grades than they deserve on merit criteria, giving them ‘loose’ piece rates, or making what is supposed to be ‘incentive’ pay, premia for good work, effectively part of the normal wage. methods of production.

    Finally, the strategy relied on a flawed assumption—specifically, that each measure would yield the anticipated outcome—that resulted in there being no margin for error or failure in an undertaking that was bound to entail plenty of both. To be sure, there was no challenging the party’s assumption that collectivization would have a salutary effect on worker productivity and production costs by making bread cheap and abundant. But just as collectivization produced the opposite from intended effect, aggravating rather than eradicating food shortages and price inflation, so too did some measures specific to the textile industry, such as the reduction in the density of thread and the Taylorist reorganization of labor. As for elements of the strategy that were effective—for example, round-the-clock production—these often fell short of expectations.

    So when things went wrong, when disasters occurred, they needed to find answers and solutions that avoided self-questioning. The most available explanation for problems, and one with resonance in Russian culture, was that conspiratorial “dark forces” were at work to sabotage the effort. If the policies were correct and if they were being implemented by the right people, there could be no other explanation.

    “…. when a person espouses one set of convictions concerning an issue one day and (either under the same circumstances and conditions or under changed ones that nevertheless do not in reality justify change of political conduct—in the interest of a particular person or a clique) espouses exactly opposite convictions the next day. Today he will try to prove one thing and tomorrow—under similar circumstances and on a similar issue—he’ll try to prove something else. All the while, the unscrupulous political intriguer considers himself consistent and right in the one case no less than in the other. He is gambling on the fact that the masses often forget today what has been said and promised to them yesterday and will forget tomorrow what is said to them today. If it happens that the masses perceive a trick in all this, the unscrupulous political intriguer will seek to justify his shift of position by claiming that the political and economic situation as well as the alignment of classes have radically changed, making necessary, therefore, a new policy, new tactics, and a new strategy. . .

    What alternatives did the Bolsheviks have for interpreting and understanding the situation in the country? One way—perhaps the most rational way—to interpret and understand the situation would have been in terms of mistaken policies. It is obvious to us today that collectivization and breakneck industrialization were ill-advised and reckless. Of course, this interpretation of events was not available to the general population or even to most layers of the party-state administration; articulation of this view brought instant repression. But in a different way it was also impossible for leading Bolsheviks within the Stalinist faction to accept that their policies were wrong. Everything in their background and intellectual baggage told them that there was a “correct” solution to every situation and that in Stalin’s general line they had found the correct solution to Russia’s backwardness, to class oppression, and to the problems of capitalism. Their nineteenth-century rationalist faith in scientific solutions to human problems, combined with their facile understanding of Marx’s stages of historical development, told them that they were on the right track.

    Aside from the desire to protect their privileged position, they really believed in socialism and their key importance in realizing it. It was genuinely impossible to imagine that their polices were wrong.

    the mood of the population in the larger cities showed that many common folk thought of themselves as “us” and the regime as “them Popular poems, songs and ditties expressed hostility to the regime:

    “How the collective farm village Has become prosperous.

    There used to be thirty-three farms And now there are five.

    We fulfilled the Five Year Plan And are eating well.

    We ate all the horses

    And are now chasing the dogs.”


    Stalin and the Self-Destruction of the Bolsheviks, 1932-1939.

    Worker Resistance under Stalin ,Class and Revolution on the Shop Floor.

    The nature of Stalin’s dictatorship:the Politburo, 1924-1953

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      The problem with socialism is that every once in awhile, some new self-appointed genius thinks they can do it right.

      They seem immune to the notion that it only actually “works” in theory.

      As the Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, and later the Russians, the Cubans, North Koreans, etc have already shown; It fails. It fails big. It fails with hair on it.

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