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The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, December 6th, 2013. Comments are currently closed.

7 Responses to “The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. canary says:

    Health Care conflict in South Africa

    South African’s President Jacob Zuma Blames Christianity for South African’s Problems

    The Telegraph: Jacob Zuma blames Christianity for South Africa’s problems

    Dec 2011

    Mr Zuma, South Africa’s first Zulu president, told an event in his home province of KwaZulu-Natal that Christianity brought about “orphans” and “old-age homes” thereby destroying Africa’s traditions, according to South Africa’s Times newspaper.

    “As Africans, long before the arrival of religion and [the] gospel, we had our own ways of doing things,” he said.

    “Those were times that the religious people refer to as dark days but we know that, during those times, there were no orphans or old-age homes. Christianity has brought along these things.”

    Mr Zuma is a devout follower of tribal custom, including polygamy. In January last year he wed his third wife at a traditional Zulu ceremony.


    Christians Fear Violence

    All Voices: Mandela In Poor Health: Why White South Africans are Praying for Him
    Pretoria : South Africa | Jun 10, 2013 at 5:14 AM PDT
    By Africadesk

    Back in 10th November 1997 an ANC Councillor, Mzukizi Gaba stated “ When Mandela dies we will kill you whites like flies” and since then there have been numerous comments to the same effect.

    These were bombs placed in locations such as shopping centres, restaurants and sports gatherings.

    Sadly, with the horrific murder rate in South Africa and the gruesome methods of torture employed in many of these murders, Mr. Mandela has never publically[sic] called for an end to the violence or, unlike Bishop Desmond Tutu, criticised the ANC leadership.

    Africadesk is based in Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand, and is a Stringer for Allvoices.

    The gruesome reality of racist South Africa


    Strange not one word of Mandela’s religious beliefs or burial ritual beliefs.

    • captstubby says:

      well done.

      except for the public sector (teachers, government workers) woman folk i know, most share your view .
      and as i learned early on, …
      in man speak, this is a complement.

      The Female of the Species
      Rudyard Kipling

      1 When the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
      2 He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
      3 But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
      4 For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

      5 When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
      6 He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
      7 But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
      8 For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

      9 When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
      10 They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
      11 ‘Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
      12 For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

      13 Man’s timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
      14 For the Woman that God gave him isn’t his to give away;
      15 But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other’s tale —
      16 The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

      17 Man, a bear in most relations — worm and savage otherwise, —
      18 Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
      19 Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
      20 To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

      21 Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
      22 To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
      23 Mirth obscene diverts his anger — Doubt and Pity oft perplex
      24 Him in dealing with an issue — to the scandal of The Sex!

      25 But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
      26 Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same,
      27 And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
      28 The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

      29 She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
      30 May not deal in doubt or pity — must not swerve for fact or jest.
      31 These be purely male diversions — not in these her honour dwells.
      32 She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

      33 She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
      34 As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
      35 And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unchained to claim
      36 Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

      37 She is wedded to convictions — in default of grosser ties;
      38 Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies! —
      39 He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
      40 Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

      41 Unprovoked and awful charges — even so the she-bear fights,
      42 Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons — even so the cobra bites,
      43 Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
      44 And the victim writhes in anguish — like the Jesuit with the squaw!

      45 So it cames that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
      46 With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
      47 Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
      48 To some God of Abstract Justice — which no woman understands.

      49 And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
      50 Must command but may not govern — shall enthral but not enslave him.
      51 And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
      52 That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.

  2. Petronius says:

    From de Francisation.com :

    Here is the story of a real hero, an incredibly brave French woman, Marie-Neige Sardin, the symbol of “Stop.”


    There are now more than 750 No-Go Zones in France.

    We are becoming a dispossessed people in our own homelands, thanks to the Liberal elites.

  3. canary says:

    Obama bowed to Cuban president Raul Castro and warmly shook his hand. As Obama takes selfie photos, Michelle fumes.

    Article, video, pics
    Yahoo News: Obama’s gestures during Mandela memorial scrutinized

    By Dylan Stableford – Dec 10 2013

    President Barack Obama’s gestures at Nelson Mandela’s memorial service in Johannesburg were widely scrutinized on the world’s stage Tuesday.

    First, Obama shook hands with Cuban President Raul Castro as the U.S. president approached the podium at the soccer stadium to address Mandela’s mourners.

    The handshake also drew some sharp GOP criticism. Sen. John McCain likened it to shaking hands with Adolf Hitler.

    At another point, President Obama posed for a “selfie” from his seat at the memorial with British Prime Minister David Cameron and Denmark’s Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt.

    But that didn’t stop the “Selfies at Funerals” Tumblr, which documented the aforementioned trend, from categorizing the world leaders’ selfie as one.

    Earlier, the first lady appeared to be less-than-thrilled with the president’s conversation with Thorning-Schmidt, and at some point, she switched seats with him.


    • canary says:

      The WH announcing it was an accident needs to watch the entire thing to see it was no accident and the reasoning behind this bow, shake, and lean for a kiss, straight from the ass’s mouth.

    • canary says:

      EPA new federal grab land term to take private property for PPW wet spots.

      PPR: Prairie Pothole Region

      Environmentalists hot on the trail to wet marshes where ducks and other water fowl is located especially in the northern plains where farmers are using the puddles of water to irrigate farmland for food for human beings and animals.

      These Prairie Potholes are puddles formed by glaciers 10,000 years ago.

      There is a reasonable chain of man shoots duck to eat, and uses their puddles to grow food, even corn that ducks like to eat, but it’s far more important to let the ducks multiply and reach more natural man-made fates like windmills.

      Shame on MUCK Boots for advertizing on the Ducks dot org site. Perhaps they sell more boots to the government.

      And now Hillary is a vegan like Bill. She didn’t look like a vegan at the memorial in Africa, but all that booze could be responsible for her weight. But, that strange ring around her waist looked more like a money belt to me. It just did not look normal. Maybe an airbag to feed air to her brain.

  4. captstubby says:

    ‘Enough is enough,’ Obama says, praises vote to end filibusters
    By Christi Parsons and Michael A. Memoli
    November 21, 2013, 11:58 a.m.
    WASHINGTON — President Obama said Thursday he supported a move by Senate Democrats to stop the use of the filibuster to block presidential appointments, arguing that Republicans had used the Senate’s rules to “gum up the works.”
    Gridlock in the Senate has not “served the cause of justice,” Obama told reporters at the White House, but rather “has undermined it.”


    Senate agrees to stop ‘nuclear’ option
    Susan Davis, USA TODAY 4:19 p.m. EDT July 16, 2013

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says a deal is in sight that would resolve the chamber’s bitter impasse over stalled nominations. Reid announced the likely agreement less than an hour before a scheduled showdown vote over the first nomination. AP
    A compromise would approve President Obama’s pending nominations to the National Labor Review Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
    WASHINGTON —The U.S. Senate reached a loose bipartisan agreement Tuesday to avert Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s plan to invoke the “nuclear option” to make it easier for the chamber to approve presidential executive branch nominees.
    “We’re basically done — everything but dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s,” the Nevada Democrat told reporters following the weekly Senate lunches.
    Under the agreement, Democrats will get up-or-down votes on seven nominations to the National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
    Democrats will have to abandon two NLRB nominees who were recess-appointed by President Obama, which is under legal review by the Supreme Court. Republicans, in turn, have agreed to take action on two new NLRB nominees with the intention of approving all seven nominations before the August break.
    While the bipartisan agreement heads off a controversial maneuver by Reid to change Senate filibuster rules to lower the maximum threshold required to approve executive nominees from 60 to 51 votes, Reid stopped short of calling it a victory.The agreement applies only to the seven pending nominations, and Democrats warned that the debate could re-emerge in this Congress. “We got a ‘yes.’ And I think I should take the ‘yes,'” Reid said, when asked what Democrats achieved in this fight.
    : ‘Nuclear option’ will be back
    Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who also played a key role in negotiating the compromise, echoed Reid’s praise of McCain in securing a working agreement. Schumer said he and McCain spoke at least 30 times through the weekend and late Monday.
    “I think both leaders saw, and everybody saw, that we were so close that it would be a shame to have an Armageddon, if you will, when we were so close,” Schumer said, adding that the deal was “crystallized” Tuesday morning.
    “It’s good for the Senate, and hopefully it paves the way for continued and more bipartisan cooperation in the Senate. We walk up to the brink, but we get there,” Schumer added.
    Schumer said McConnell asked Reid to pledge not to attempt the nuclear option again in this Congress, but Reid countered he could only do so if McConnell pledged Republicans would not filibuster executive branch nominations.


    Republicans Forced Dems to Use Nuclear Option
    By Juan Williams, The Hill – December 9, 2013
    Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.).
    The senator stands out as the leader of the Democrats’ historic move to go to the “nuclear option,” ending the paralysis by threat of filibuster that tied the Senate in knots for the last five years.
    The junior senator from the Beaver State showed a lot of political bite, in the form of persistence, and has become a left-wing hero as a result.

    a flip-flop.
    Reid, the minority leader in 2005, spoke against the nuclear option on the Senate floor that May, PolitiFact.com found.
    “You should not be able to come in here and change willy-nilly a rule of the Senate,” he said, addressing Bush.
    He then referred to the nuclear option as “foolishness,” PolitiFact.com reported.
    But in 2013, aligned with a Democratic president who wanted his nominees approved, Reid changed his mind.
    “Gridlock has consequences and they’re terrible,” he said to the Senate. “It’s not only bad for President Obama, bad for this body, the United States Senate, it’s bad for our country.”
    He was among the 52 Democrats who voted in favor of invoking the nuclear option.
    Democrats shaped the Senate of the 20th century into a place that elaborately protected the rights of a legislative minority — themselves. They used the minority’s power to block civil rights measures for decades. Over time, other groups in the Senate picked up the same strategy, using filibusters to block legislation or nominations they opposed.
    {various sources.}


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