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The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves

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This article was posted by Steve on Friday, June 13th, 2014. Comments are currently closed.

4 Responses to “The S&L ‘Hive’ – Please Talk Amongst Yourselves”

  1. Mithrandir says:

    I hope to someday be as wealthy as the Clintons were when they were broke….

  2. captstubby says:

    The Constitution of the Confederate States of America

    1. The president was given “Line-Item Veto” authority. (Article 1, Section 7, Paragraph 2) This would have allowed the president to trim a lot of “pork” from spending bills.( but also required any bill which the president used the veto in to be resubmitted to both houses for a possible override vote by 2/3 of both houses.)

    2. Additional limits on how congress may spend taxpayer’s money.

    a. (1.8.1) Limit wasteful government spending – The original U.S. Constitution gave congress the ability to spend money to “(pay debts) and provide for the general welfare of the United States.” But since just about any government spending could be said to “provide for the general welfare”, this phrase was used to excuse a lot of governmental excesses. The confederacy replaced this broad phrase with wording that only permitted congress to spend money on things that were necessary in order to “carry on the Government”.

    b. (1.8.1) Congress was prohibited from offering bounties. This provision may have been spawned by the fact that the federal government put bounties on some of the “rebels” after they ceded from the union.

    c. (1.8.1) Limit Congress’ ability to engage in “Trade Wars” – Congress could not tax imports, if the tax was intended to help promote or foster any particular branch of industry. (i.e. Congress couldn’t place a tax on Honda motorcycles in order to help Harley-Davidson)

    d. (1.8.3) Limit a Congressman’s ability to siphon large amounts of money back into his own district – Congress was prohibited from spending federal dollars for any “internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce”. This prevented “influential” politicians from diverting large sums of tax-payer’s money into their own district. (Every state would be forced to pay for its own improvements, regardless of how much power their representatives possessed.)

    e. (1.8.7) The Post Office had to support itself – The Post office had to pay for its expenses out of its revenues after 1863. (The U.S. government finally did the same thing over 100 years later) This may not seem like such a big deal now, but keep in mind that at the time, the postal service was probably the largest federal department next to the military. So, reforming such a “huge” piece of government was a fairly important matter.

    f. (1.9.9) Super-majority required for all spending bills – A two-thirds vote was required for the federal government to spend any money. The only exemptions that were allowed were monies spent on the day-to-day operating expenses of government, and for the payment of judicial claims against the federal government.

    g. (1.9.10) All spending bills had to be rigidly defined – Any bill which appropriated money had to specify exactly how much was to be spent, and this amount was not allowed to fluctuate after the bill had been passed. (This would have prevented “entitlement” programs (such as Social Security), which do not have a fixed price tag)

    3. Banned the use of “Riders” on bills. (1.9.20) All of the contents of a particular bill had to relate to the same subject, and that subject was to be expressed in the title of the bill. (This would keep, say, a “crime bill” from having legislation that related to, say, the importation of Swiss cheese.)

    4. Term Limits (2.1.1) The president could only server one term in office, but his term would extend to 6 years.

    also it still had the pre 17 th amendment.(which senators were elected by state legislatures,not by popular vote)
    63% turnover still sounds good.

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