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		<title>By: Consilience</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/theater-director-forced-out-over-prop-8#comment-124357</link>
		<dc:creator>Consilience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moral equivalence gone mad. I&#039;m afraid the outcome will be the same as Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible---for the behavior is frighteningly similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moral equivalence gone mad. I&#8217;m afraid the outcome will be the same as Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible&#8212;for the behavior is frighteningly similar.</p>
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		<title>By: BillK</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/theater-director-forced-out-over-prop-8#comment-124351</link>
		<dc:creator>BillK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulswigert , no need to go to all that trouble.

They can simply move to Massachusetts or Connecticut.

In case you weren&#039;t aware, from the Boston Globe:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Wedding bells toll in Conn. for gay couples&lt;/b&gt;

By Gregory B. Hladky  

&lt;b&gt;They said their vows holding hands, standing before a memorial to the 1839 Amistad slave revolt. Carved in its base were the words: &quot;Make Us Free.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Yesterday Peg Oliveira and Jennifer Vickery became the first couple to exercise their new freedom to wed under a court decision that makes Connecticut only the second state in the country to currently allow same-sex marriage.&lt;/b&gt;

State Appellate Court Judge Herbert Gruendel, a longtime friend, conducted the ceremony outside New Haven City Hall as the couple&#039;s 3-month old daughter, Willow, watched from a stroller.

&quot;I want to say thank you to Connecticut for letting us do this,&quot; Vickery said, her voice trembling.

Their wedding occurred just 90 minutes after a lower-court judge entered a formal decision to comply with the Oct. 10 state Supreme Court ruling that gay marriage was legal in Connecticut.

The pronouncement came four years after eight plaintiff couples filed a suit arguing that the state&#039;s ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.

&lt;b&gt;At the time, it appeared that Connecticut would become the third state in the nation to allow gay marriages. But after California&#039;s approval of a gay marriage ban last week, that number decreased to two, with Connecticut joining only Massachusetts in granting gay couples equal marriage rights.&lt;/b&gt;

This change in the political landscape made yesterday bittersweet for some couples in Connecticut, even as they rejoiced in their new rights.

&quot;We&#039;re very sad,&quot; said Stephen Davis, who, with his partner Jeffrey Busch, was one of the plaintiff couples who got their marriage license in New Haven yesterday. &quot;It does somewhat diminish our joy.&quot;

But for most gay couples in Connecticut yesterday, the joy far outweighed their concerns about legal battles to come. Across the state, gay couples visited town or city clerks to apply for marriage licenses yesterday, although most appeared to be waiting to actually tie the knot.

&quot;In my lifetime, I&#039;ve seen it go from &#039;the love that dare not speak its name&#039; to today, when we have a love that can be declared on the steps of New Haven City Hall,&quot; said Garret Stack, 59. &#133;

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2008/11/13/wedding_bells_toll_in_conn_for_gay_couples/&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Once again via a decision by the &lt;b&gt;courts&lt;/b&gt;, not the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulswigert , no need to go to all that trouble.</p>
<p>They can simply move to Massachusetts or Connecticut.</p>
<p>In case you weren&#8217;t aware, from the Boston Globe:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Wedding bells toll in Conn. for gay couples</b></p>
<p>By Gregory B. Hladky  </p>
<p><b>They said their vows holding hands, standing before a memorial to the 1839 Amistad slave revolt. Carved in its base were the words: &#8220;Make Us Free.&#8221;</b></p>
<p><b>Yesterday Peg Oliveira and Jennifer Vickery became the first couple to exercise their new freedom to wed under a court decision that makes Connecticut only the second state in the country to currently allow same-sex marriage.</b></p>
<p>State Appellate Court Judge Herbert Gruendel, a longtime friend, conducted the ceremony outside New Haven City Hall as the couple&#8217;s 3-month old daughter, Willow, watched from a stroller.</p>
<p>&#8220;I want to say thank you to Connecticut for letting us do this,&#8221; Vickery said, her voice trembling.</p>
<p>Their wedding occurred just 90 minutes after a lower-court judge entered a formal decision to comply with the Oct. 10 state Supreme Court ruling that gay marriage was legal in Connecticut.</p>
<p>The pronouncement came four years after eight plaintiff couples filed a suit arguing that the state&#8217;s ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.</p>
<p><b>At the time, it appeared that Connecticut would become the third state in the nation to allow gay marriages. But after California&#8217;s approval of a gay marriage ban last week, that number decreased to two, with Connecticut joining only Massachusetts in granting gay couples equal marriage rights.</b></p>
<p>This change in the political landscape made yesterday bittersweet for some couples in Connecticut, even as they rejoiced in their new rights.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re very sad,&#8221; said Stephen Davis, who, with his partner Jeffrey Busch, was one of the plaintiff couples who got their marriage license in New Haven yesterday. &#8220;It does somewhat diminish our joy.&#8221;</p>
<p>But for most gay couples in Connecticut yesterday, the joy far outweighed their concerns about legal battles to come. Across the state, gay couples visited town or city clerks to apply for marriage licenses yesterday, although most appeared to be waiting to actually tie the knot.</p>
<p>&#8220;In my lifetime, I&#8217;ve seen it go from &#8216;the love that dare not speak its name&#8217; to today, when we have a love that can be declared on the steps of New Haven City Hall,&#8221; said Garret Stack, 59. &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2008/11/13/wedding_bells_toll_in_conn_for_gay_couples/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/loc.....y_couples/</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Once again via a decision by the <b>courts</b>, not the people.</p>
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		<title>By: paulswigert</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/theater-director-forced-out-over-prop-8#comment-124349</link>
		<dc:creator>paulswigert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am utterly amazed at the righteous indignation of these people. Only when things promote or serve their purpose are they satisfied. I mean they can not take no for an answer there is only one way to the solution of this problem and it seems to be the way they think. Screw what the majority of Californians said on this issue. If they want the state to recognize this abomination why don&#039;t they relinquish their U.S. citizenship &amp; find some super-liberal European country that will recognize their so-called marriage and they can live there happily ever after. Then they will be able to walk down the street &quot;Out, Loud, Gay, &amp; Proud&quot;. Oh yeah they do that now, sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am utterly amazed at the righteous indignation of these people. Only when things promote or serve their purpose are they satisfied. I mean they can not take no for an answer there is only one way to the solution of this problem and it seems to be the way they think. Screw what the majority of Californians said on this issue. If they want the state to recognize this abomination why don&#8217;t they relinquish their U.S. citizenship &amp; find some super-liberal European country that will recognize their so-called marriage and they can live there happily ever after. Then they will be able to walk down the street &#8220;Out, Loud, Gay, &amp; Proud&#8221;. Oh yeah they do that now, sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: BillK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, what I was suggesting would happen above is already happening:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hundreds of protesters converged on El Coyote on Beverly Boulevard on Wednesday night, and the picketing got so heated that LAPD officers in riot gear had to be called. 

&lt;b&gt;All because Marjorie Christoffersen, a manager there and a daughter of El Coyote&#039;s owner, had contributed $100 to the Yes on 8 campaign.&lt;/b&gt;

Christoffersen, who is Mormon, met with protesters Wednesday and &lt;b&gt;at one point broke down in tears&lt;/b&gt;, said Arnoldo Archila, another El Coyote manager. &lt;b&gt;But the activists were not satisfied with her explanation and continued to post protests about her on the Web.&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;&lt;B&gt;She had a chance to make nice and blew it. I was almost feeling a tiny bit of sympathy for her. Not no more!!&lt;/b&gt;&quot; wrote one blog poster, who also listed competing Mexican restaurants where diners should go instead of El Coyote.

&lt;b&gt;By Thursday, Christoffersen had left town, said Archila, who said El Coyote employees -- some of whom are gay -- were left staggered by the protests, including more than 50 calls a day criticizing the restaurant.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;We are all a family,&quot; Archila said. &quot;If this is going to affect the business, its going to affect them. There are people who have to feed children and pay mortgages.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve posted a more complete entry about this here:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/selected-news-for-week-nov-8-nov-14#comment-124340

&lt;blockquote&gt;Despite the criticism, activists say they plan to continue applying pressure. &lt;b&gt;&quot;It doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s the CEO or if it&#039;s the hostess that greets you at El Coyote. It really makes no difference,&quot;&lt;/b&gt; said Gerry Moylan, 47, a Los Angeles Realtor who planned a night of picketing in front of the restaurant Thursday.

&quot;&lt;b&gt;If I&#039;m going to eat dinner at El Coyote and part of my money is going to pay the hostess&#039; pay and she turns around and uses her pay to promote a proposition that takes away my rights, then I&#039;m going to stop paying my money to her&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, what I was suggesting would happen above is already happening:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hundreds of protesters converged on El Coyote on Beverly Boulevard on Wednesday night, and the picketing got so heated that LAPD officers in riot gear had to be called. </p>
<p><b>All because Marjorie Christoffersen, a manager there and a daughter of El Coyote&#8217;s owner, had contributed $100 to the Yes on 8 campaign.</b></p>
<p>Christoffersen, who is Mormon, met with protesters Wednesday and <b>at one point broke down in tears</b>, said Arnoldo Archila, another El Coyote manager. <b>But the activists were not satisfied with her explanation and continued to post protests about her on the Web.</b></p>
<p>&#8220;<b>She had a chance to make nice and blew it. I was almost feeling a tiny bit of sympathy for her. Not no more!!</b>&#8221; wrote one blog poster, who also listed competing Mexican restaurants where diners should go instead of El Coyote.</p>
<p><b>By Thursday, Christoffersen had left town, said Archila, who said El Coyote employees &#8212; some of whom are gay &#8212; were left staggered by the protests, including more than 50 calls a day criticizing the restaurant.</b></p>
<p><b>We are all a family,&#8221; Archila said. &#8220;If this is going to affect the business, its going to affect them. There are people who have to feed children and pay mortgages.&#8221;</b></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted a more complete entry about this here:</p>
<p><a href="http://sweetness-light.com/archive/selected-news-for-week-nov-8-nov-14#comment-124340" rel="nofollow">http://sweetness-light.com/arc.....ent-124340</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Despite the criticism, activists say they plan to continue applying pressure. <b>&#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s the CEO or if it&#8217;s the hostess that greets you at El Coyote. It really makes no difference,&#8221;</b> said Gerry Moylan, 47, a Los Angeles Realtor who planned a night of picketing in front of the restaurant Thursday.</p>
<p>&#8220;<b>If I&#8217;m going to eat dinner at El Coyote and part of my money is going to pay the hostess&#8217; pay and she turns around and uses her pay to promote a proposition that takes away my rights, then I&#8217;m going to stop paying my money to her</b>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bill148</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill148</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look at Zimbabwe after we built Rhodesia.</description>
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		<title>By: angryredhen</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/theater-director-forced-out-over-prop-8#comment-124335</link>
		<dc:creator>angryredhen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s funny....except that God didn&#039;t give them their names...the parts God gave them weren&#039;t made for each other at all....how obtuse do these people want the world to be in order to hide that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny&#8230;.except that God didn&#8217;t give them their names&#8230;the parts God gave them weren&#8217;t made for each other at all&#8230;.how obtuse do these people want the world to be in order to hide that?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMG</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/theater-director-forced-out-over-prop-8#comment-124334</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DEZ;  .....&quot;But why bother reasoning with them, with them its always in one queer and out the other.....&quot;

Too funny, DEZ.  But I overheard someone at the last gay wedding say that the two were made for each other.  The names of the two were, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DEZ;  &#8230;..&#8221;But why bother reasoning with them, with them its always in one queer and out the other&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>Too funny, DEZ.  But I overheard someone at the last gay wedding say that the two were made for each other.  The names of the two were, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor_Repulso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor_Repulso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...aided and abetted by their stalwart defender,  Governor Schwarzenfagger...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;aided and abetted by their stalwart defender,  Governor Schwarzenfagger&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DEZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Behold the left, unflinching in shoving a perversion down everyone else&#039;s throat.
They not only wish to circumvent the voters, they wish to change religious doctrine.
&quot; We wanna have a church wedding, with the states blessing&quot;
Amazing how they suddenly forget the separation thing, 
But why bother reasoning with them, with them its always in one queer and out the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behold the left, unflinching in shoving a perversion down everyone else&#8217;s throat.<br />
They not only wish to circumvent the voters, they wish to change religious doctrine.<br />
&#8221; We wanna have a church wedding, with the states blessing&#8221;<br />
Amazing how they suddenly forget the separation thing,<br />
But why bother reasoning with them, with them its always in one queer and out the other.</p>
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		<title>By: pinandpuller</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/theater-director-forced-out-over-prop-8#comment-124327</link>
		<dc:creator>pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama Christ...Superstar...Are you really who you say you are???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama Christ&#8230;Superstar&#8230;Are you really who you say you are???</p>
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		<title>By: Consilience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consilience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is only the beginning. Look for more of this nonsense when the thug messiah takes office. These people are not fit to govern themselves-----even as their &quot;thug messiah&quot; &quot;rules&quot;. I&#039;ll be surprised if we make it four years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is only the beginning. Look for more of this nonsense when the thug messiah takes office. These people are not fit to govern themselves&#8212;&#8211;even as their &#8220;thug messiah&#8221; &#8220;rules&#8221;. I&#8217;ll be surprised if we make it four years.</p>
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		<title>By: IronFistVelvetGlove</title>
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		<dc:creator>IronFistVelvetGlove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullseye! GuppyNblue hit the nail on the head. It&#039;s time to stand up, talk back, defend yourself. Whimpering and caving-in doesn&#039;t help the individual or the cause. Enough with the falling on your sword B.S. ... &quot;for the good of the theater&quot; (or whatever). You hit me, I hit back harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullseye! GuppyNblue hit the nail on the head. It&#8217;s time to stand up, talk back, defend yourself. Whimpering and caving-in doesn&#8217;t help the individual or the cause. Enough with the falling on your sword B.S. &#8230; &#8220;for the good of the theater&#8221; (or whatever). You hit me, I hit back harder.</p>
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		<title>By: curvyred</title>
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		<dc:creator>curvyred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are currentlly calling for a boycott of a large hotel chain, they have also made an online blacklist, these people are terrible - have they lost their minds? 

What happened to live and let live, California voted, accept it and move on, why damage people&#039;s reputation and business simply because they have religious believes?

Most ironic of all, the website they have made has a picture of a tombstone with a concentration camp memorial, they also equate prop 8 with hate, I suppose they fail to see how hateful they are being themselves..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are currentlly calling for a boycott of a large hotel chain, they have also made an online blacklist, these people are terrible &#8211; have they lost their minds? </p>
<p>What happened to live and let live, California voted, accept it and move on, why damage people&#8217;s reputation and business simply because they have religious believes?</p>
<p>Most ironic of all, the website they have made has a picture of a tombstone with a concentration camp memorial, they also equate prop 8 with hate, I suppose they fail to see how hateful they are being themselves..</p>
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		<title>By: DGA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DGA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have said before, if you&#039;re an employer, and have to trim the fat, make sure you know who the obama voters were, and can them first. Most of them are lazy and clueless, as if voting for obama didn&#039;t define that in the first place anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have said before, if you&#8217;re an employer, and have to trim the fat, make sure you know who the obama voters were, and can them first. Most of them are lazy and clueless, as if voting for obama didn&#8217;t define that in the first place anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall this whole thing with Proposition 8 began with judges deciding that gay marriage should be legal, trumping an even earlier proposition that defined marriage as being between a man and a woman.  So now they&#039;re protesting yet again because the majority overruled them again?  When does it end?

&lt;b&gt;3) “Right wing hate monger” becomes unemployed.....&lt;/b&gt;

I think we&#039;re already at that point; too many people are afraid to speak their mind and be labeled racist/hate monger by the hysterical left, as they could end either unemployed or with a career at a dead end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall this whole thing with Proposition 8 began with judges deciding that gay marriage should be legal, trumping an even earlier proposition that defined marriage as being between a man and a woman.  So now they&#8217;re protesting yet again because the majority overruled them again?  When does it end?</p>
<p><b>3) “Right wing hate monger” becomes unemployed&#8230;..</b></p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re already at that point; too many people are afraid to speak their mind and be labeled racist/hate monger by the hysterical left, as they could end either unemployed or with a career at a dead end.</p>
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