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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152767</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Excessive regulations and restrictions put a noose around businesses and the economy&quot;

By design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Excessive regulations and restrictions put a noose around businesses and the economy&#8221;</p>
<p>By design.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberals Demise</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152749</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberals Demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TOUCHE&#039;   Bill!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOUCHE&#8217;   Bill!!</p>
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		<title>By: beautyofreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152737</link>
		<dc:creator>beautyofreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering I&#039;m no longer looking for a job and now gearing up for two years in grad school, I&#039;m not even included in these statistics. 

My father runs a dental practice and he recently let go of a full-time employee. He hired another one but at only a part-time position, in order to reduce spending. Business is down. No pay raises for the employees this year. People can no longer come in for routine cleanings or more serious procedures. 

My father is still doing reasonably well, but if Obama&#039;s health care plan goes through he will retire and sell the practice. He spoke with his accountant and already estimates that health insurance requirements for employee coverage and other potential measures under the Obama administration will increase his costs by over ten thousand dollars.

Excessive regulations and restrictions put a noose around businesses and the economy. In Britain some NHS appointments take so long to schedule that the people pull their own teeth. Screw Europe. I shiver when I think of what could happen here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering I&#8217;m no longer looking for a job and now gearing up for two years in grad school, I&#8217;m not even included in these statistics. </p>
<p>My father runs a dental practice and he recently let go of a full-time employee. He hired another one but at only a part-time position, in order to reduce spending. Business is down. No pay raises for the employees this year. People can no longer come in for routine cleanings or more serious procedures. </p>
<p>My father is still doing reasonably well, but if Obama&#8217;s health care plan goes through he will retire and sell the practice. He spoke with his accountant and already estimates that health insurance requirements for employee coverage and other potential measures under the Obama administration will increase his costs by over ten thousand dollars.</p>
<p>Excessive regulations and restrictions put a noose around businesses and the economy. In Britain some NHS appointments take so long to schedule that the people pull their own teeth. Screw Europe. I shiver when I think of what could happen here.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152724</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This link has the story:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

The revised May to June difference is a 216,000 increase in unemployment vs a Civilian Labor force of about 155M.  The increase in unemployment was actually .15%, but they round.

The smallish restatement of May doesn&#039;t bring the 216K up to 467K jobs lost, but they do seasonal adjustments which might be the rest of the gap.

These are long-standing official stats, so it&#039;s unlikely political finagling is involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This link has the story:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf</a></p>
<p>The revised May to June difference is a 216,000 increase in unemployment vs a Civilian Labor force of about 155M.  The increase in unemployment was actually .15%, but they round.</p>
<p>The smallish restatement of May doesn&#8217;t bring the 216K up to 467K jobs lost, but they do seasonal adjustments which might be the rest of the gap.</p>
<p>These are long-standing official stats, so it&#8217;s unlikely political finagling is involved.</p>
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		<title>By: wirenut</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152720</link>
		<dc:creator>wirenut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retire, Euro-right! Looks like shell game mathematics or chicken scratchings. Arnold said it best, I neeeeeed ah vehcaasen, sigh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retire, Euro-right! Looks like shell game mathematics or chicken scratchings. Arnold said it best, I neeeeeed ah vehcaasen, sigh!</p>
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		<title>By: retire05</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152719</link>
		<dc:creator>retire05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, we lost 485K jobs in May, adjusted up from the original number of 345K, and how much did the unemployment rate jump from April?  1/2 a percent?

So if 485K equals .005%, then how does 470K equal only .001%?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, we lost 485K jobs in May, adjusted up from the original number of 345K, and how much did the unemployment rate jump from April?  1/2 a percent?</p>
<p>So if 485K equals .005%, then how does 470K equal only .001%?</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel1961</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152718</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonel1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is simple division: number of unemployed divided by the total workforce.  PR has it right and I was on the right track - some other adjustment softened the quotient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is simple division: number of unemployed divided by the total workforce.  PR has it right and I was on the right track &#8211; some other adjustment softened the quotient.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel1961</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152716</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonel1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question retire05 - worse than that, only about half of the population is included in the job demographic base for unemployment calculations, i.e., the percentage impact should be much greater since the base is smaller...

Of course, it could have something to do with trailing months, i.e., moving baselines - not sure.  Will try some research if I get a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question retire05 &#8211; worse than that, only about half of the population is included in the job demographic base for unemployment calculations, i.e., the percentage impact should be much greater since the base is smaller&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, it could have something to do with trailing months, i.e., moving baselines &#8211; not sure.  Will try some research if I get a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152714</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They adjusted the prior month (fewer jobs lost than first announced).  The rest is probably rounding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They adjusted the prior month (fewer jobs lost than first announced).  The rest is probably rounding.</p>
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		<title>By: retire05</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152712</link>
		<dc:creator>retire05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question:  we lost 467,000 jobs in June and the unemployment rate increase 1/10th of 1%.

So, if we are a nation of 303 million, 10% would be 30.3 million,. 1% would be 3.03 million and 1/10th of 1% would be 303,000.

So how do we lost almost a half million jobs, 167,000 more than 1/10th of 1% of our entire population and the rate only goes up 1/10th of 1%?

Is my math funny or is someone cooking the books?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question:  we lost 467,000 jobs in June and the unemployment rate increase 1/10th of 1%.</p>
<p>So, if we are a nation of 303 million, 10% would be 30.3 million,. 1% would be 3.03 million and 1/10th of 1% would be 303,000.</p>
<p>So how do we lost almost a half million jobs, 167,000 more than 1/10th of 1% of our entire population and the rate only goes up 1/10th of 1%?</p>
<p>Is my math funny or is someone cooking the books?</p>
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		<title>By: Confucius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confucius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think they like us now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think they like us now?</p>
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		<title>By: U NO HOO</title>
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		<dc:creator>U NO HOO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to go nuclear power now.</description>
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		<title>By: Liberals Demise</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152692</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberals Demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...............and pretty soon we&#039;ll have their Health(?) Care system in place so we can die just like them too!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;and pretty soon we&#8217;ll have their Health(?) Care system in place so we can die just like them too!!</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152668</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is simpler -- How many times do you have to be wrong before you are no longer considered and expert.</description>
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		<title>By: tranquil.night</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/us-jobless-rate-now-matches-europes#comment-152666</link>
		<dc:creator>tranquil.night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.R. you have a greater command over the details of the timeline here than anyone I&#039;ve seen on TV yet.  I remember watching the Dem Primaries in 2008 and not even really being conscious of any &#039;real&#039; economic dangers (hadn&#039;t found this site yet obviously) but I did know about the housing bubble.  I also remember a very concerted effort by Republicans and the Bush admin to reform it that got tanked by the Lib congress.  So whatever legislative battle happened back then, probably around 2007 as you said, I&#039;ll have to look into it but I imagine you might find some of the seeds of this entire scenario - knowing now that it was their ace in the hole to tanking our system.

Sachs names are littered all throughout this, from the beginning in the Clinton admin to end.  I contend again the belief that GS is just the cookie jar for the new liberal brigade, amongst whom is Soros and the others who have lots of money growing in the pot.  Chances are there is no clear leader or defined supreme ideology but rather several conflicting ones like the environmentalists, the pure financialists, the social philanthropists.

Or Satan&#039;s incarnate just leads the thing.   Who knows.  Maybe its Saddam Hussein back from the dead.

Unrelated, since the international economic collapse began, the leading European countries that have maintained some sort of fiscal discipline (Sarkozy, Merkel) with their budgets have not suffered nearly as grievously as the Obamanites (Spain, Gordon Brown).  The EU has faced a much broader set of challenges to its system over the past 6 months as well, whereas the US is all stress that is Obama-induced - and now we&#039;re decelerating faster than them.  That&#039;s just impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.R. you have a greater command over the details of the timeline here than anyone I&#8217;ve seen on TV yet.  I remember watching the Dem Primaries in 2008 and not even really being conscious of any &#8216;real&#8217; economic dangers (hadn&#8217;t found this site yet obviously) but I did know about the housing bubble.  I also remember a very concerted effort by Republicans and the Bush admin to reform it that got tanked by the Lib congress.  So whatever legislative battle happened back then, probably around 2007 as you said, I&#8217;ll have to look into it but I imagine you might find some of the seeds of this entire scenario &#8211; knowing now that it was their ace in the hole to tanking our system.</p>
<p>Sachs names are littered all throughout this, from the beginning in the Clinton admin to end.  I contend again the belief that GS is just the cookie jar for the new liberal brigade, amongst whom is Soros and the others who have lots of money growing in the pot.  Chances are there is no clear leader or defined supreme ideology but rather several conflicting ones like the environmentalists, the pure financialists, the social philanthropists.</p>
<p>Or Satan&#8217;s incarnate just leads the thing.   Who knows.  Maybe its Saddam Hussein back from the dead.</p>
<p>Unrelated, since the international economic collapse began, the leading European countries that have maintained some sort of fiscal discipline (Sarkozy, Merkel) with their budgets have not suffered nearly as grievously as the Obamanites (Spain, Gordon Brown).  The EU has faced a much broader set of challenges to its system over the past 6 months as well, whereas the US is all stress that is Obama-induced &#8211; and now we&#8217;re decelerating faster than them.  That&#8217;s just impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Bytes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reality Bytes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, I feel so continental now. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I feel so continental now. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Media_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure once we pass Cap &#039;n Trade we&#039;ll blow right past the EU &amp; approach Spain&#039;s heady unemployment rate of 18%!  And the Dems &amp; MSM will blame it all on the greedy Capitalists.  I&#039;m definitely moving to Canada.  The politicians who run it may be liberals but at least they&#039;re not retarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure once we pass Cap &#8216;n Trade we&#8217;ll blow right past the EU &amp; approach Spain&#8217;s heady unemployment rate of 18%!  And the Dems &amp; MSM will blame it all on the greedy Capitalists.  I&#8217;m definitely moving to Canada.  The politicians who run it may be liberals but at least they&#8217;re not retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Drooler/FannieMae mortgages-for-deadbeats situation was well known in October 2007, perhaps even a bit before then.

Yet, we had 6 months of employment normalcy after that &quot;crisis&quot; had been exposed.

And from the chart Steve showed in the thread on unemployment, the GNP continued to rise for the first 2 quarters of 2008.  Other factors were calm as well.  CPI was only slightly higher than normal.   The market was off, but within historic norms, and corporate profit were still good.  Consumer spending was strong as well.   The &quot;storm clouds&quot; up to the late summer, were more like fluffy cumulous nimbus puffballs.

When the crisis simply wouldn&#039;t pop, and McCain took the lead in the polls coming out of the GOP convention (thanks to Palin), the Obamy backers couldn&#039;t stand it any more, and decided to create some serious chaos.   Market action jumped like a rocket that Monday (Sep 9), and by the next weekend, they had tanked Lehman Bros.  On Sep 18th they manufactured a huge run Money Market run which allowed Paulsen to declare the end of civilization would occur if he didn&#039;t immediately get 700B to &quot;save&quot; the financial system.

By Nov 4, the market had dropped 20% (the most ever in the 2 months prior to a national election), they had created a panic in the country as 401K and savings had fallen 35-40%.  McCain sank as he clearly decided he didn&#039;t want to deal with the mess,....................and an easily-manipulated adolscent communist waltzed into the White House.

I hadn&#039;t made the connection with Goldman Sachs until recently, but that is becoming clear now that we know the new GS CEO is collecting his 68M bonus, despite a world/American economy on life support.   And the GS connection also explains Paulsen&#039;s motivations, which until recently, seemed mysterious to me.   I had attributed the chaos to Soros and unnamed others (including foreign governments), but I think you are right about Sachs.   They are as guilty as Soros and the Middle East couontries that conspired to yank McCains key issue by dropping the price of oil by 75% in 8 weeks during the same period of the perfect storm in Sept and Oct 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Drooler/FannieMae mortgages-for-deadbeats situation was well known in October 2007, perhaps even a bit before then.</p>
<p>Yet, we had 6 months of employment normalcy after that &#8220;crisis&#8221; had been exposed.</p>
<p>And from the chart Steve showed in the thread on unemployment, the GNP continued to rise for the first 2 quarters of 2008.  Other factors were calm as well.  CPI was only slightly higher than normal.   The market was off, but within historic norms, and corporate profit were still good.  Consumer spending was strong as well.   The &#8220;storm clouds&#8221; up to the late summer, were more like fluffy cumulous nimbus puffballs.</p>
<p>When the crisis simply wouldn&#8217;t pop, and McCain took the lead in the polls coming out of the GOP convention (thanks to Palin), the Obamy backers couldn&#8217;t stand it any more, and decided to create some serious chaos.   Market action jumped like a rocket that Monday (Sep 9), and by the next weekend, they had tanked Lehman Bros.  On Sep 18th they manufactured a huge run Money Market run which allowed Paulsen to declare the end of civilization would occur if he didn&#8217;t immediately get 700B to &#8220;save&#8221; the financial system.</p>
<p>By Nov 4, the market had dropped 20% (the most ever in the 2 months prior to a national election), they had created a panic in the country as 401K and savings had fallen 35-40%.  McCain sank as he clearly decided he didn&#8217;t want to deal with the mess,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and an easily-manipulated adolscent communist waltzed into the White House.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t made the connection with Goldman Sachs until recently, but that is becoming clear now that we know the new GS CEO is collecting his 68M bonus, despite a world/American economy on life support.   And the GS connection also explains Paulsen&#8217;s motivations, which until recently, seemed mysterious to me.   I had attributed the chaos to Soros and unnamed others (including foreign governments), but I think you are right about Sachs.   They are as guilty as Soros and the Middle East couontries that conspired to yank McCains key issue by dropping the price of oil by 75% in 8 weeks during the same period of the perfect storm in Sept and Oct 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: tranquil.night</title>
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		<dc:creator>tranquil.night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lookit that chart.. &lt;i&gt;VROOM&lt;/i&gt; from Spring 08 onward.. right about the time O-blah-blah began his majestic comeback against Hill-dog in the primaries and Goldman Sachs decided they had a sound enough candidate and plan to steal and destroy the United States of America.

Half a year later you have TARP and pro-tem blah-blah already taking over the presidency and there&#039;s no sign of a rebound. Ever.  Porkulus. Porkubus. Porkuget. Laugh and tax. Now inflation (Bush&#039;s fault).

This is all well and according to plan up in the cabinet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lookit that chart.. <i>VROOM</i> from Spring 08 onward.. right about the time O-blah-blah began his majestic comeback against Hill-dog in the primaries and Goldman Sachs decided they had a sound enough candidate and plan to steal and destroy the United States of America.</p>
<p>Half a year later you have TARP and pro-tem blah-blah already taking over the presidency and there&#8217;s no sign of a rebound. Ever.  Porkulus. Porkubus. Porkuget. Laugh and tax. Now inflation (Bush&#8217;s fault).</p>
<p>This is all well and according to plan up in the cabinet.</p>
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