Westboro Is Not “Baptist” Or “Fundamentalist”
From the Associated Press via (fittingly enough) Pravda:
Grieving father gets nearly 11 million dollars in verdict against military funeral protesters
01.11.2007
Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder was killed in Iraq. His grieving father won a nearly $11 million verdict against a fundamentalist church. The members of the church picketed military funerals out of a belief that the war in Iraq is a punishment for America’s tolerance of homosexuality.
Albert Snyder sued the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church for unspecified damages after members demonstrated at the March 2006 funeral of his son…
The church members testified they are following their religious beliefs by spreading the message that soldiers are dying because America is too tolerant of homosexuality…
Defense lawyer Jonathan Katz said the church has about 75 members and is funded by tithing…
This AP story, like every report you will see about the Westboro “Baptist Church,” parrots the claims that they are Baptists and moreover fundamentalists or evangelicals.
Indeed, a search of Google News reveals that they are called “fundamentalist” or “evangelical” in 884 of the articles posted in the last few days — which is to say practically all of the articles on the subject from the mainstream media:
But as anyone who has even a passing acquaintance with this miserable operation is well aware, the Westboro Baptist Church is not a Baptist church, evangelical or otherwise.
A detail that even Wikipedia has cottoned on to:
Westboro Baptist Church
While its members identify themselves as Baptists, the church is an independent church not affiliated with any known Baptist conventions or associations, nor does any Baptist institution recognize the church as a Bible believing fellowship. The church describes itself as following Primitive Baptist and Calvinist principles.
Of course people are free to claim whatever they want for themselves. I could claim to be the US Ambassador to the Holy See. But that does not make it so.
In its entry for Fred Phelps, Sr., Wikipedia also notes:
During 1993–94 interviews with the Topeka Capital-Journal, the four Phelps children (out of thirteen, Mark, Nate, Katherine and Dotty) who had left the church asserted that their father’s religious beliefs were either nonexistent to begin with or have dwindled down to nearly nothing. They insist that Westboro actually serves to enable a paraphilia of Phelps, wherein he is literally addicted to hatred.
So why does our watchdog media insist on describing this group as a fundamentalist Baptist church?
When was the last time the Peoples Temple of Jim Jones and the Kool-aid suicide cult was described as part of the Disciples of Christ? (When, in fact, they were affiliated with the DoC.)
Perhaps it is because the Westboro clan actually seek to discredit Baptists and evangelical Christian by taking every stereotypical accusation to an absurdity.
The WBC not only claims to hate homosexuals, but they are also anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic and racist — just for starters.
And as for the implicit but unmistakable implication throughout all the media stories that the Phelps cult is somehow conservative, their only political history seems to be quite in the other direction:
Again, from Wikipedia:
Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15% of the vote in 1998.[35] In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31% of the vote Phelps ran for mayor of Topeka in 1993 and 1997.
Moreover, Mr. Phelps has often supported that Democrat standard bearer and Nobel Laureate, Al Gore.
Still more from Wikipedia:
Left to right: Fred Phelps, Tipper Gore, Betty Phelps, Al Gore in 1988.
Al Gore with Fred and Timothy Phelps.
Fred Phelps (left) and Al Gore (center) at a fundraiser held at the Phelps home in Topeka, Kansas in 1989.
Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election. In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a “gay bill of rights” and stated that homosexuality was not something that “society should affirm”. Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments.
According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore’s 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps’ son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser, which Al and Tipper Gore attended, at his home in Topeka.
Fred Phelps, Jr. served as a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.
Indeed, according to Wikipedia, Mr. Phelps is even a champion of Fidel Castro.
Of course it is no surprise that our mainstream media are so eager to perpetuate the myth that his cult is made up of evangelical Christian conservatives.
After all, the media will lie about anything and anyone to advance their agenda.
It’s their job.
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November 1st, 2007 at 12:13 pm
SG - it fits the msm (and liberal) template that all religious people are freaks, idiots, rigid, and intolerant. Besides, if they actually bring up some of the truths of WBC - such as the history of Fred Phelps - it might get out that he was once a Gore supporter. Imagine the damage that could be done with that fact.
Considering that the stupid masses might not be able to distinguish between past and present, Elder Gore and Al, nor even WBC and a real Baptist Church or even a real religion. . .
What a bind - so let’s just bash religion by using the worst possible example - without bothering with facts.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:07 pm
I cannot properly express my deep appreciation for those photos of algore with his friends.
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
November 1st, 2007 at 5:22 pm
OK I stand corrected - it is Al not the Elder Gore. Wow, no wonder the msm wants to hype Phelpsco as a mainstream (Bapstist) religion - to connect this bunch with the DNC and their second god in waiting Al Gore would really hurt a lot.
Mr. Snyder was on CNN - let us hope he appears on all the ‘news’ shows - to really put the hurt on this bunch - who are appealing and ‘claiming’ that they only have $1mil in all property etc.
You should have heard the ’spokesman’ for this bunch - it is not against the law to peacefully protest in America. Well, I don’t know about you - but Semper Fi Fags at a Marine’s funeral - are fighting words to me - and most of the Marines I know.
And Phelpsco knows it - which is why they are doing it. They just want the publicity and know at a military funeral they just might get the national publicity they want but also know that it is likely that someone might cold cock one of them - for a lawsuit of their own. What a crock.
November 1st, 2007 at 6:28 pm
I just heard Phelps talk for the first time, I knew he and his followers (inbred relatives) were hateful and stupid, But wow, Just wow, You could find more intellectual resources in an ant colony.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Sooner or later, someone is going to snap and put a round in this guys brain. Until then, there probably isn’t a lot else than can be done to stop him and his minions. Appeals will take years before one dime is ever paid on the lawsuit, if ever. But we all know, there’s a special place in Hell for these kind of people.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Until then, there probably isn’t a lot else than can be done to stop him and his minions.
Never know when a deranged crack fiend goes off the deep end and breaks into their compund and slays ever one of them and burns the place to the ground due to an unexplained 24 hour glitch in the local fire dept. failure to respond in time.
I am sure the police will pull out all the stops to find the one or two or several people responsible for such a
well deserved justiceregretable crime.November 1st, 2007 at 10:10 pm
You might have a smidgen of wishful thinking there WI, After seeing how he has treated our brave lost men and women, I sure as hell would love to use this rectal polyp for target practice.
But he now has enemies in his camp, Lawyers.
Its my hope they bleed him dry from both sides, Maybe I have a smidgen of wishfull thinking too.
;-}
November 1st, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Hell 1st, that would be just ummm…
Horrible, A fire fighter could get hurt if it was only a 24 hour glitch.
Let it cool for at least 6 months before sending them in to help.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:16 pm
More than a smidgen….more like a ton.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:19 pm
WI, Sometime in the past on this site, I felt like I was too…. Ummm something.
My freind, You are starting to make me feel an old softy.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Only because now that I’m about 75% retired I have time to think about this stuff. Maybe too much time. Now I need a drink.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Ah, You were the voice of reason, Calm down and think about it you would say.
I am not picking on you, I am just surprised is all.
Over the last 2 years or so, I have come to feel a bond with many of our posters.
SJ, 1st, Retire, DW and you WI. ( OK, Alot more folks not mentioned )
I kid around, Maybe too much, But thats my way of staying sane.
But I see changes, I hope for the best even when things come about from the worst.
Simple as it is, This group feels like family.
November 1st, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Agreed.