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	<title>Comments on: Wikipedia&#8217;s Piety Towards Muslim Titles</title>
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		<title>By: AcrobaticTenement</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wikipedias-piety-towards-islamic-titles#comment-152119</link>
		<dc:creator>AcrobaticTenement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is curious that &quot;mullah&quot; is capitalized while other religious titles are not, but I&#039;m not sure if it has more to do with radical pro-Muslim editors or with people&#039;s natural propensity for capitalizing foreign words/titles.

Also, while there is an article on peace in Islam, it&#039;s not really fair to say that qualifies as a pro-Islam stance, as these other articles also exist:

Islam and Domestic Violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence

Criticism of Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam

Criticism of the Qu&#039;ran 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Qur%27an

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is curious that &#8220;mullah&#8221; is capitalized while other religious titles are not, but I&#8217;m not sure if it has more to do with radical pro-Muslim editors or with people&#8217;s natural propensity for capitalizing foreign words/titles.</p>
<p>Also, while there is an article on peace in Islam, it&#8217;s not really fair to say that qualifies as a pro-Islam stance, as these other articles also exist:</p>
<p>Islam and Domestic Violence<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....c_violence</a></p>
<p>Criticism of Islam<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam</a></p>
<p>Criticism of the Qu&#8217;ran<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Qur%27an" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....e_Qur%27an</a></p>
<p>among others..</p>
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		<title>By: proreason</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wikipedias-piety-towards-islamic-titles#comment-152040</link>
		<dc:creator>proreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there any conservatives who spend all there time editting Wikipedia entries.  Somehow I doubt it.

But there seem to be thousands of liberals who dedicate their lives to it.

But I guess when you make your living by &lt;strike&gt;stealing money from &lt;/strike&gt; taxing other people, you have time to do stuff like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any conservatives who spend all there time editting Wikipedia entries.  Somehow I doubt it.</p>
<p>But there seem to be thousands of liberals who dedicate their lives to it.</p>
<p>But I guess when you make your living by <strike>stealing money from </strike> taxing other people, you have time to do stuff like that.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZMike</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wikipedias-piety-towards-islamic-titles#comment-152037</link>
		<dc:creator>ZZMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jobeth wrote:  &quot;Scientology is a philosophy that has been around for at least 50 years or more. &quot;

That&#039;s a fact.  Scientology was born when L. Ron Hubbard told a group of his friends (the only one I can remember is Harlan Ellison) that the best way to make real money is to start a religion.  As long as there are gullible people, and &quot;useful idiots&quot;, there will always be Scientologists setting up tables on street corners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobeth wrote:  &#8220;Scientology is a philosophy that has been around for at least 50 years or more. &#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a fact.  Scientology was born when L. Ron Hubbard told a group of his friends (the only one I can remember is Harlan Ellison) that the best way to make real money is to start a religion.  As long as there are gullible people, and &#8220;useful idiots&#8221;, there will always be Scientologists setting up tables on street corners.</p>
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		<title>By: ZZMike</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wikipedias-piety-towards-islamic-titles#comment-152036</link>
		<dc:creator>ZZMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it the case that Wikipedia is publicly edited?  You can loook at the edit history.

I looked at the entry for &quot;Pope&quot;.  They use &quot;pope&quot; and &quot;popes&quot; for the general class (e.g., &quot;Some popes ....&quot;) and &quot;Pope&quot; for specific popes (e.g., &quot;The current Pope is Benedict XVI...&quot;).

As to that risible example, all we need do is look at what the mad mullahs in Iran are saying.  Breitbart has a story from Iran that says

&quot; In Friday&#039;s central Muslim sermon at Tehran University, a senior cleric, Ayatollah Ahmed Khatami, called for harsh retribution for dissent.

&quot;Anybody who fights against the Islamic system or the leader of Islamic society, fight him until complete destruction,&quot; he said in the nationally broadcast speech.
...
&quot;Anyone who takes up arms to fight with the people, they are worthy of execution,&quot; 

Maybe they read your post, because they avoid &quot;mullah&quot; in favor of &quot;senior cleric&quot;.

I&#039;m sure you could go through and change the &quot;Mullah&quot; entry, but then someone else would come along and change it back.

It&#039;s no surprise that a Wiki entry on Islam is going to be pro-Islam, since that&#039;s who the writers are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it the case that Wikipedia is publicly edited?  You can loook at the edit history.</p>
<p>I looked at the entry for &#8220;Pope&#8221;.  They use &#8220;pope&#8221; and &#8220;popes&#8221; for the general class (e.g., &#8220;Some popes &#8230;.&#8221;) and &#8220;Pope&#8221; for specific popes (e.g., &#8220;The current Pope is Benedict XVI&#8230;&#8221;).</p>
<p>As to that risible example, all we need do is look at what the mad mullahs in Iran are saying.  Breitbart has a story from Iran that says</p>
<p>&#8221; In Friday&#8217;s central Muslim sermon at Tehran University, a senior cleric, Ayatollah Ahmed Khatami, called for harsh retribution for dissent.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anybody who fights against the Islamic system or the leader of Islamic society, fight him until complete destruction,&#8221; he said in the nationally broadcast speech.<br />
&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Anyone who takes up arms to fight with the people, they are worthy of execution,&#8221; </p>
<p>Maybe they read your post, because they avoid &#8220;mullah&#8221; in favor of &#8220;senior cleric&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you could go through and change the &#8220;Mullah&#8221; entry, but then someone else would come along and change it back.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no surprise that a Wiki entry on Islam is going to be pro-Islam, since that&#8217;s who the writers are.</p>
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		<title>By: jobeth</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wikipedias-piety-towards-islamic-titles#comment-151591</link>
		<dc:creator>jobeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cjokry,

Without getting too far into the substance of your post, your following statment is in error;

&quot;Ten years from now there will probably not be a real Scientology movement (if there even is one now.)&quot;

 Scientology  is a philosophy that  has been around for at least 50 years or more. Right, wrong or indifferent, it is not going away in ten years. 

And BTW if reports are correct, you don&#039;t want to be between Scientology and their &quot;philosophy&quot;.  People get hurt.  Google it.  There are pages and pages of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cjokry,</p>
<p>Without getting too far into the substance of your post, your following statment is in error;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ten years from now there will probably not be a real Scientology movement (if there even is one now.)&#8221;</p>
<p> Scientology  is a philosophy that  has been around for at least 50 years or more. Right, wrong or indifferent, it is not going away in ten years. </p>
<p>And BTW if reports are correct, you don&#8217;t want to be between Scientology and their &#8220;philosophy&#8221;.  People get hurt.  Google it.  There are pages and pages of information.</p>
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		<title>By: neocon mom</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wikipedias-piety-towards-islamic-titles#comment-151587</link>
		<dc:creator>neocon mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama shares a certain amount of this reverence. He addresses Iran&#039;s Ayatollah as the Grand Ayatollah, an unprecedented show of respect for an American president. Are any of us surprised by this?
Furthermore who can forget the NYT decision not to reprint the Danish cartoons of the prophet Mohammed? Too many in the media roll over and treat Islam with deference, then lay into devout Christians with impunity.  It&#039;s similar to the cowardly way leftists attack America, a safe target, for what we&#039;ve done to keep this country safe after 9/11 while ignoring the terrorist threat and Islamofascist culture.
Yes, between Wikipedia and public school, we have our work cut out for us in terms of truly educating our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama shares a certain amount of this reverence. He addresses Iran&#8217;s Ayatollah as the Grand Ayatollah, an unprecedented show of respect for an American president. Are any of us surprised by this?<br />
Furthermore who can forget the NYT decision not to reprint the Danish cartoons of the prophet Mohammed? Too many in the media roll over and treat Islam with deference, then lay into devout Christians with impunity.  It&#8217;s similar to the cowardly way leftists attack America, a safe target, for what we&#8217;ve done to keep this country safe after 9/11 while ignoring the terrorist threat and Islamofascist culture.<br />
Yes, between Wikipedia and public school, we have our work cut out for us in terms of truly educating our children.</p>
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		<title>By: specialed</title>
		<link>http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wikipedias-piety-towards-islamic-titles#comment-151584</link>
		<dc:creator>specialed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scientologists are known to cause havoc online to suppress or modify information about their &quot;church.&quot;  Lawsuits and threats are common.

Maybe the Muslim community has been more moderate? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientologists are known to cause havoc online to suppress or modify information about their &#8220;church.&#8221;  Lawsuits and threats are common.</p>
<p>Maybe the Muslim community has been more moderate? :-)</p>
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		<title>By: specialed</title>
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		<dc:creator>specialed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could go in and downgrade all the Mullahs and Sheiks and Ayatollahs.  It is not that hard to do, but it may provoke a war.

I can&#039;t see how the wikifolks would let it stand, their English usage specifies that titles are not capitalized unless associated with a name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could go in and downgrade all the Mullahs and Sheiks and Ayatollahs.  It is not that hard to do, but it may provoke a war.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see how the wikifolks would let it stand, their English usage specifies that titles are not capitalized unless associated with a name.</p>
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		<title>By: Flession</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flession</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of stuff generally happens with Wikipedia. They have a left-leaning bias and it shows. I used to edit pages, writing things out pretty objectively and placing in citations on everything I placed in.

For instance, Lord Barry&#039;s and Biden&#039;s vote to continue to fund the Bridge to Nowhere, citing the actual senatoral record of the situation, and it was removed due to it being anti-Obama. Seriously. That was the &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; reason cited for its removal.

Anyways, after that fiasco, I stopped doing things on there and unless it&#039;s for something involving pop culture and general science knowledge, I never use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of stuff generally happens with Wikipedia. They have a left-leaning bias and it shows. I used to edit pages, writing things out pretty objectively and placing in citations on everything I placed in.</p>
<p>For instance, Lord Barry&#8217;s and Biden&#8217;s vote to continue to fund the Bridge to Nowhere, citing the actual senatoral record of the situation, and it was removed due to it being anti-Obama. Seriously. That was the <i>actual</i> reason cited for its removal.</p>
<p>Anyways, after that fiasco, I stopped doing things on there and unless it&#8217;s for something involving pop culture and general science knowledge, I never use it.</p>
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		<title>By: platypus</title>
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		<dc:creator>platypus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word that this reply brought to my mund was oblique. How does it address the hypocrisy described in the S&amp;L post? 

Of course I could just be as dense as I&#039;m sometimes accused of being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word that this reply brought to my mund was oblique. How does it address the hypocrisy described in the S&amp;L post? </p>
<p>Of course I could just be as dense as I&#8217;m sometimes accused of being.</p>
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		<title>By: cjokry</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjokry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If so, how is it that Wikipedia has banned Scientologists from editing their articles on Scientology and there is no similar restrictions on Muslims?

Tom Cruise &amp; Co. have never blown themselves or anybody else up, so if they&#039;re giving your website problems, just censure them or whatever else you feel like doing.  Problem solved and you can sleep safe and sound while you wait for the day that the actor and his Hollywood friends all neuter themselves and drink the kool-aid.  Ten years from now there will probably not be a real Scientology movement (if there even is one now.)  Islam, I&#039;m betting, will probably still be around, having shown better staying power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If so, how is it that Wikipedia has banned Scientologists from editing their articles on Scientology and there is no similar restrictions on Muslims?</p>
<p>Tom Cruise &amp; Co. have never blown themselves or anybody else up, so if they&#8217;re giving your website problems, just censure them or whatever else you feel like doing.  Problem solved and you can sleep safe and sound while you wait for the day that the actor and his Hollywood friends all neuter themselves and drink the kool-aid.  Ten years from now there will probably not be a real Scientology movement (if there even is one now.)  Islam, I&#8217;m betting, will probably still be around, having shown better staying power.</p>
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		<title>By: tranquil.night</title>
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		<dc:creator>tranquil.night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehehehe, well done Steve this tickled me.  From &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mullah&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dictionary.com&lt;/a&gt;:  
&quot;1. A male religious teacher or leader.&quot; 	
&quot;(in Islamic countries) a title of respect for a person who is learned in, teaches, or expounds the sacred law.&quot;

To claim to be something doesn&#039;t mean one is what they say they are.  Using &quot;Mullah&quot; is a little bit how some put &quot;Reverend&quot; to their name and go around acting irreverently.   So similarly the semantics have come to represent something entirely different than the implied definition.  In this case we know and associate most mullahs with fanatical Islam, not the teaching of any peace or wisdom that might be contained within Islam.  If Wikipedia had any interest in objectivity this fact would&#039;ve been stated and explained at length - which is your point I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehehehe, well done Steve this tickled me.  From <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mullah" rel="nofollow">dictionary.com</a>:<br />
&#8220;1. A male religious teacher or leader.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;(in Islamic countries) a title of respect for a person who is learned in, teaches, or expounds the sacred law.&#8221;</p>
<p>To claim to be something doesn&#8217;t mean one is what they say they are.  Using &#8220;Mullah&#8221; is a little bit how some put &#8220;Reverend&#8221; to their name and go around acting irreverently.   So similarly the semantics have come to represent something entirely different than the implied definition.  In this case we know and associate most mullahs with fanatical Islam, not the teaching of any peace or wisdom that might be contained within Islam.  If Wikipedia had any interest in objectivity this fact would&#8217;ve been stated and explained at length &#8211; which is your point I believe.</p>
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