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WP: Effectiveness Of Questioning Unclear

Another new low in journalistic standards from the Washington Post:

Effectiveness Of Harsh Questioning Is Unclear

By Joby Warrick and Peter Finn
Sunday, April 26, 2009

During his first days in detention, senior al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheik Mohammed was stripped of his clothes, beaten, given a forced enema and shackled with his arms chained above his head, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross. It was then, a Red Cross report says, that his American captors told him to prepare for "a hard time."

Over the next 25 days, beginning on March 6, 2003, Mohammed was put through a routine in which he was deprived of sleep, doused with cold water and had his head repeatedly slammed into a plywood wall, according to the report. The interrogation also included days of extensive waterboarding, a technique that simulates drowning.

Sometime during those early weeks, Mohammed started talking, providing information that supporters of harsh interrogations would later cite in defending the practices. Former vice president Richard B. Cheney has justified such interrogations by saying that intelligence gained from Mohammed resulted in the takedown of al-Qaeda plots.

But whether harsh tactics were decisive in Mohammed’s interrogation may never be conclusively known, in large part because the CIA appears not to have tried traditional tactics for much time, if at all. According to the agency’s own accounting, Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times during his first four weeks in a CIA secret prison.

The effectiveness of the Bush administration’s use of harsh interrogation techniques has emerged as a key point of dispute in a burgeoning political and public debate sparked by the release this month of Justice Department memorandums authorizing the CIA to use such methods…

Note that this editorial “article” starts out quoting a Red Cross report, but then ends up citing the recently released memos.

Could that be because according to the New Yorker, Mr. Mohammed told the Red Cross that he was only waterboarded five times?

That is ‘five times’ as opposed to the ridiculous ‘183 times’ that appears (probably in a different context) in the aforementioned memos.

If it had been 183 times don’t you think the Red Cross report that the Washington Post is citing would have mentioned it? And would the Post not have quoted them?

They didn’t because it didn’t happen, and the Washington Post knows it didn’t. But that hardly matters to them. They have an anti-US propaganda point and they are going to ride it for all it is worth.

Indeed, this the kind of mendacity that the Washington Post and the rest of our watchdog media perpetrate upon their unfortunate readers day in and day out.

Moreover, regular readers will notice that this Washington Post article is clearly parroting an earlier New York Times propaganda piece editorial:

Interrogations’ Effectiveness May Prove Elusive


April 23, 2009

WASHINGTON — Even the most exacting truth commission may have a hard time determining for certain whether brutal interrogations conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency helped keep the country safe.

Last week’s release of long-secret Justice Department interrogation memorandums has given rise to starkly opposing narratives about what, if anything, was gained by the C.I.A.’s use of waterboarding, wall-slamming and other physical pressure to shock and intimidate Qaeda operatives.

Which, in turn, was parroting an earlier anonymously sourced Washington Post article:

Detainee’s Harsh Treatment Foiled No Plots

Waterboarding, Rough Interrogation of Abu Zubaida Produced False Leads, Officials Say

By Peter Finn and Joby Warrick
Sunday, March 29, 2009; A01

When CIA officials subjected their first high-value captive, Abu Zubaida, to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods, they were convinced that they had in their custody an al-Qaeda leader who knew details of operations yet to be unleashed, and they were facing increasing pressure from the White House to get those secrets out of him.

The methods succeeded in breaking him, and the stories he told of al-Qaeda terrorism plots sent CIA officers around the globe chasing leads.

In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida’s tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida — chiefly names of al-Qaeda members and associates — was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.

And this is how such preposterous biased stories become ‘fact’ in the execrable world of modern journalism.

Just like the ludicrous claim of Mr. Mohammed’s 183 waterboardings is now a ‘fact.’

This article was posted by Steve on Sunday, April 26th, 2009. Comments are currently closed.

18 Responses to “WP: Effectiveness Of Questioning Unclear”

  1. Liberals Demise says:

    Talk about whipping a story into a non story………WP and NYT are pathetic!!
    But if you print it enough……..you lose readers and subscriptions slip away.
    Someone please toss these dogs a bone!

  2. catie says:

    LD, we get the Post only on Sunday for the coupons (which come on Saturday but I digress) and when I got home from church and read that headline through the plastic it went straight into the recycling bin.
    Unfortunately, I have a number of neighbors who buy into this garbage.

    • Liberals Demise says:

      “I have a bunch of neighbors who buy into this garbage.”


  3. Howard Roark says:

    The Post is a disgusting bunch of treasonous ‘blame-America-first’ers’, just like the rest of the MSM.

    Besides the obviously sympathetic slant they take on our too-soft treatment of the monster KSM, they try to portray the “183” instances of waterboarding as if there were 183 different times we put KSM in position.

    I saw the beautiful Ann address this propaganda on Geraldo last night. Each time we squirted a little water up his nose qualified as “waterboarding” for those critics who try to make America out to be torturers. In fact, each time KSM was in the position to be waterboarded, we would douse him multiple times. (Just the same as we do to our own servicemen for POW training.)

    So the fabled “183” times really equates to probably ten different times we made him “assume the position”. I wish it was more.

    I wish we had taken a page out of the Cherokee way of dealing with the enemy. Imagine having your stomach cut open, and your intestines being tied to a tree next to you. Then, while alive, having hot embers thrown at your bare feet, causing you to run around the tree, effectively dragging your guts completely out as you went into shock, then died.

    I cherish my Cherokee heritage, along with my Scots-Irish blood.

    • Steve says:

      “So the fabled “183″ times really equates to probably ten different times we made him “assume the position”. I wish it was more.”

      KSM himself said he was waterboarded was five times. The CIA says three.

      I believe that 183 number refers to how many times this was tested on our own troops, or something like that.

      It is preposterous on the face of it.

    • proreason says:

      I think you’ve got something there with your Cherokee blood, Howard, but I wish there was something harsher for our domestic enemies, starting with Drooling Barney, and certainly going through Traitor Kerry, Altoad, Stretch and many others.

    • canary says:

      I understood it to be 183 ounces of water used within so many times an hour. Such as 5 times, at approx 40 minute in 1 hour period. That would be approx 4 oz of water splashed in 60 seconds. They followed the guidelines. They were trying to be as politically correct than any time in history, because of the media’s scrutiney and lying propaganda that led to the mile of a millions skulls of south vietnamese. The media lied about TET’s damage.

  4. DEZ says:

    ” Detainee’s Harsh Treatment Foiled No Plots ”

    That’s Blatant BS, but its gonna continue to be used as a LLL talking point.

    • cjokry says:

      Dick Cheney and others with direct knowledge of the memos released claim that waterboarding KSM helped foil a plot to bring down the Library Building, the tallest building on the west coast. A lot of information about the success of these programs got the black marker when the documents were made public.

  5. Petronius says:

    In this propaganda piece we see the confluence of Liberalism and militant Islam in the pages of the Washington Post. Like the colonel’s lady and Judy O’Grady, Liberalism and Islam are sisters under their skins. Both are a mixture of religious fanaticism and political ideology. Both reject individualism in favor of strict conformity, communal approaches, and stifling power over the lives of other persons. Both harbor an irrational hatred of Western Civilization, including hatred of everything from the U.S. Army to Christianity to capitalism to individual liberty to our history and heroes to the American people and the white race in general. There is one big difference between them, namely, that Liberals lack the courage and candour of our would-be Islamic conquerors. Jihadist Islam is a religion for ballsy men. Liberalism is a religion for eunuchs.

  6. Rusty Shackleford says:

    If the facts don’t agree with the sentiment, change the facts.

  7. canary says:

    The Red Cross can not be trusted, and stupid to trust this evil man, who aided killing and destroying lives. The Red Cross is notorious for creating work and problems to recieve donations, legally keeping up to 80% to run their organization.

    They didn’t get away with that attempt after 9/11 do to media pressure, but
    evidence the Red Cross cares more for the murderer than thousands who the murderer aided killing.

    “stripped of his clothes, beaten, given a forced enema and shackled with his arms chained above his head, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross.”

    ahh!! aren’t most U.S. prisoners strip searched to include their bottom cavity to be sure there is no contra-band, (on a repeated basis at that).
    duh!!, I hope they had his hands chained so he couldn’t strangle or kill a guard.

    “Over the next 25 days, beginning on March 6, 2003, Mohammed was put through a routine in which he was deprived of sleep, doused with cold water and had his head repeatedly slammed into a plywood wall,..”

    plywood wall? should have been cinderblock or steel wall. The Red Cross should check out Marines, Special Forces, and such as the Air
    Force Acadamy training. And they get worse than waterboarding in training.

    Dont’ see bruises, nicks, red marks, no painful wax job done on his fur coat.
    Looks well fed. I would not be bad if the Gitmo prisoners came here if they’d just put them in with general population. The Red Cross are traitors.

  8. Perdido says:

    Liz Cheney shows us how to deal with the crew at CNN:

    [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30374059#30374059] Liz Cheney Doesn’t Break A Sweat[/url]

  9. Media_man says:

    It’s one thing for a bunch of deadbeats to be thanking their benefactor for gifts paid for with other people’s money, the question is what happens when the bill comes due and has to be paid for by the folks who actually earned it?

    There’s going to be hell to pay when the bill collector shows up at the door.

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