I understand your point that muslim males are denied normal urges that tend to convert into anger. They don’t have a corner on that market.

As a conservative Baptist, I have seen some that see sin under every leaf and layer guilt over both males and females. The difference is we also expect our males to accept responsibility for their own urges for the most part,even with all the over expose bodies on TV, internet etc But I get your point that with a taboo, comes greater intensity of those urges. .

I did argue with a family member sometime ago when he said “if a woman wears a bikini she is just asking for it, because a man can’t control himself”. Nonsense. She is stupid…He is criminal.

My point was more to the fact that muslim men have been taught that women are responsible for tempting them so therefore bare all the responsibility for causing them to sin.

Just look at what happens if a female is raped. SHE is banished from respectability at best and a victim of honor killing at worse, She must find at least 2 witnesses to vouch for her to get justice and even then is viewed as damaged goods. We know her chances of ever getting those witnesses. It almost never happens.

Muslim men are taught women are “less than” and “unclean” (menses) and temping them to do evil. Even though it is they that are having the unclean thoughts.

So I think women do play into all this in that muslim men are taught they bare no responsibility for their thoughts and actions…its the women that are to blame for it all. They tempt the males. Even though she may not even know it. With this mindset they have not had to develop boundaries for their behaviors and thoughts, And as you say become angry people.

I liken them to spoiled rotten kids. Have you ever seen a spoiled rotten kid that was truly happy? They are almost always angry little people. What about the kids that have boundaries taught to them? Much more content and happy.

In the end we agree for the most part. I just think their views of women and their not dealing with responsibility for their own behavior are also in the mix.

Say .. I wonder if we could get Bawnie Fwank to get a set of these panties?!?

as you know, there are so many ways to screw up a kid. There are plenty of them around. So many in fact that in 20 years, the problems we have now are going to be ten times worse because their kids will be out free to wreak havoc on society. About 1955, the reigns of child rearing were gradually slipped from the parents. Thank you, Dr Spock. Yet another set of “good intentions” resulting in the validation of the “laws of unintended consequences”.

Imagine, it’s 1941. And, the youth are as they are today. The Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor. There would be the initial rush of enlistment, but that would taper off quickly and then all but stop. The vast majority of kids would have no desire nor see the need to become something bigger than themselves. And the outcome of the war would be very different.

Heck, even during WWII, labor unions often hamstrung the greater need. Not that their arguments weren’t legitimate but they held the people’s feet to the fire often enough. But by today’s standards, nobody would work longer hours without huge compensation.

As an amateur in most everything, but being able to observe and then learn, the current “generation gap” is the worst ever. It’s been bolstered by propaganda TV where kids are the smart ones and adults are made to look stupid all the time. Compare that with Ozzy and Harriet, Father Knows Best, etc. of the 1950′s. A reflection of society or an influence to same?

I’m not sure either way.

The kid’s “mad” as you refer to is the result of cultivating that anger and steering it by using his own intellect against him. It’s behavior modification and psychologists use it to help young people channel their frustrations into something positive. As a former “angry young teen” I had to learn proper outlets for my frustrations and steer them toward something positive, instead of making trouble. Yes, I always lost when I chose “trouble”. By 16 I was on the right track and realized that things come at their own pace but that I had to be patient and let the world turn, for I was certainly not going to turn it.

When active duty, I was frequently recognized by my superiors for helping new troops acclimate to military life. People who might otherwise have been drummed out for disciplinary reasons. I won a few, lost a few but was glad to be able to help. Sometimes, all a kid needs is a friend. Once that’s satisfied, they then feel more confident to try things on their own.

This kid who wanted to blow himself and the airplane up has been screwed up. Yes, he made choices and has to answer for that. That’s the upshot of the whole thing. He’s a criminal and a terrorist. But lurking behind the shadows, as we all know are the real masters of evil. The people who recruit, indoctrinate and warp these people’s minds using their sexual frustration, insecurity, hormones going into the red, etc. They know how to do it very very well. Been going on for centuries.

Hopefully, we can figure out a way to stop those people as well as stop the perpetrators of the actual events. Otherwise it’s just cockroaches in the kitchen. You may get one or two, but you have to find where they’re coming from and get rid of the ones laying eggs. A daunting task to say the least. But the Obama administration is not up to the task, as it’s not up to any task of any size. The healthcare debacle tells me they cannot assess anything correctly, do not plan or do not care about consequences of any kind and are just generally very selfish while using manipulation tactics to keep naysayers silent and shaming them into same.

Pathetic. This will result in having to be very heavy-handed in the future with foreign governments, which will increase our national security but will further destroy our likability by many nations. Unfortunate, but necessary. However we were able to undo most of the Carter damage and will most likely be able to undo the Obama damage, though we will be digging out of a deeper hole than ever before. It will definitely be a test of this nation’s resiliency.

Pro, meet me at the frig. I drink we need to think about it.

And where are the people who feel like they masters of their fate, anyway?.

But lots of teenagers, even in the US commit suicide. I wonder what percentage of suicide victims are getting laid when they decide to end their own life. Uuuh, just a guess….0%?

Children under 13 almost never kill themselves.

“For children under age 15, about 1-2 out of every 100,000 children will commit suicide. For those 15-19, about 11 out of 100,000 will commit suicide.” http://www.klis.com/chandler/p.....uicide.htm And you can bet that of that 1-2, .999 to 1.999 are 13 to 15.

But maybe it doesn’t have anything to do with puberty and sexuality. Yeh, it’s probably just kids tuning in to being powerless.

(PS: I’m not letting the Mullahs and grown-up haters off the hook. All I’m saying is that Muslim kids are particularaly vulnerable because of that religion’s archaic approach to sexuality, which makes it easy to expoit them and twist their natural anger and frustration into hatred of other religions and western culture.)

Given that this kid was already despondent and feeling abandoned, he was “ripe for the picking” to put it bluntly and a fire just waiting for the match to set it alight. Happens to kids all the time. Many posters here have pointed out key factors in the psychology of it all, making me believe that we as a people still have our fingers on the pulse of how best to raise kids.

What this kid did was no different than any other kid who gets involved with a gang. The psychology is “in-your-face” obvious but the liberals want to politicize it, call it a “disease” and make sure that NOBODY is held accountable except the people who make so many damn rules.

When I was a substitute teacher, having not been anywhere near a high school in 20 years, I noticed immediately how the word “discipline” had been confused with the word “cruelty’ to the point that the principal and staff teachers considered them synonyms. It frustrated and angered me. It also helped me decide that I wanted none of it.

What they had done was to effectively remove the responsibility from being an adult and showing that actions have consequences, as well as not requiring the student who messed up to pay any kind of restitution for wrongdoing. They would go to in-school suspension and waste away the hours. No lecture, no staying after school as punishment, nothing.

And parents were complicit in all this except the rarity where the kid would be grounded at home or have to do extra chores. But that was the exception, not the rule.

So, with the 23 year old killer wanna-be, I’m sure there were many missed opportunities to guide him, teach and show him how to earn respect. Life is tough enough, especially as a young person, and made worse when they don’t get the guidance and discipline needed to make good decisions. It’s all very sad and now this messed up 23 year old is facing very serious consequences that will determine the rest of his life. That is, if the uber-left administration has any hangers left at all.

I’m sure though, and I’ll bet money on this, that they will manipulate it such that he will get counseling, be afforded the opportunity to “explore” his religion, be monitored in a minimalistic fashion and will someday, disappear and then show up sometime later involved in yet another incident. You can almost paint this picture while blindfolded.

And I don’t think women are involved in the problem, except as innocent bystanders.

The problem is a combination of a Medieval ethic about sex (i.e., the one that was in place around the world prior to birth control that made it very difficult for men to have sex outside of marriage because of the risk of pregnancy), exacerbated by the Muslim world’s approach of hiding the women in burlap bags…..meeting the modern world of TV-induced hyper-sexuality head-on.

The west has adapted by essentially removing all taboos on sex. Nowadays, 13 year old children have more sex than 23 year olds had 60 years ago. There are dozens of protection mechanisms, and even if a young girl has a baby, there isn’t much of a stigma attached to it. And even if the boys aren’t having sex that young, masturabation is hardly frowned on. Indeed, it’s encouraged by everything they see on the internet.

But young Muslim men are in a much different situation than western boys. They can’t have sex with young Muslim girls, and they are made to feel ashamed of their urges. Not thinking about sex can kinda sorta work if you can manage to get into your mid-20′s without ever seeing a patch of bare skin. But nowadays, even Muslim boys can’t escape seeing half naked women on TV, and in every magazine and newspaper. Even with censorship, considering the internet and bootleg TV, 24×7 exposure to sexual and semi-sexual images is unavoidable. That combination of factors would put tremendous pressure on any young man, and my opinion is that it is more likely to account for the intense rage we see all the time than religious fervor. Having been a young male with a mother who was raised in a convent, and numerous relatives who were prists and nuns, I know that religious fervor doesn’t have a fraction of the motivating force that sex has.