Comments on: WSJ: US Considers Talking To The Taliban http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban Sun, 27 May 2012 02:00:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: MAYIBUDIN http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122460 MAYIBUDIN Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:44:41 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122460 LD: I agree with you and there are countless records of good will back firing. And perhaps that is why I am radical with the absurd or the idiots. When dealing with an idiot, treat him like an idiot. An eye for an eye. We do have the greatest and "goodest" armed forces in the world and the libs still think our boys are the actual terrorists. What world are these people from? May the libs be reminded that the bad guys never extend a hand or offer of peace unless they are cliff hanging and in my book that's exactly where I want the brutes to be; one foot off the ledge. After Nov. 4th if Obaba is elected, then let the idiots rule and we're in for a ride...not a good one. My vote for the next election goes to 1sttofight. LD: I agree with you and there are countless records of good will back firing. And perhaps that is why I am radical with the absurd or the idiots. When dealing with an idiot, treat him like an idiot. An eye for an eye. We do have the greatest and “goodest” armed forces in the world and the libs still think our boys are the actual terrorists. What world are these people from? May the libs be reminded that the bad guys never extend a hand or offer of peace unless they are cliff hanging and in my book that’s exactly where I want the brutes to be; one foot off the ledge. After Nov. 4th if Obaba is elected, then let the idiots rule and we’re in for a ride…not a good one. My vote for the next election goes to 1sttofight.

]]> By: Liberals Demise http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122451 Liberals Demise Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:16:48 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122451 MAYIBUDIN : You are not being a radical when you say "no prisoners taken". These people don't sit down with the EVIL SATAN and barter a Peace Deal. They are zealots in their jihad against the West and our Allies. Back in the early 1800's the United States tried to reason with the Barbary Pirates (muslim terrorist) over taking prisoner Amerinan Sailors and seizing our ships and cargo. They wanted us to pay a ransom to keep them from doing this. At first we did pay but they went back to their old ways but started killing our people. Enter the U.S. Marines and the first Amphibious Landing on foriegn shores. History shows that they (terrorist) don't care about women, children or property when it comes to their agenda. Be ready for when they bite the hand with the olive branch in it. There is a hate in them for anything that isn't muslim thats been raging for thousands of years. It is instilled in them from childhood. I pose this question, "Could you for one second think you can deal with a dog that has rabies or would you just shot it for the good of the community?" MAYIBUDIN : You are not being a radical when you say “no prisoners taken”. These people don’t sit down with the EVIL SATAN and barter a Peace Deal. They are zealots in their jihad against the West and our Allies. Back in the early 1800′s the United States tried to reason with the Barbary Pirates (muslim terrorist) over taking prisoner Amerinan Sailors and seizing our ships and cargo. They wanted us to pay a ransom to keep them from doing this. At first we did pay but they went back to their old ways but started killing our people. Enter the U.S. Marines and the first Amphibious Landing on foriegn shores. History shows that they (terrorist) don’t care about women, children or property when it comes to their agenda. Be ready for when they bite the hand with the olive branch in it. There is a hate in them for anything that isn’t muslim thats been raging for thousands of years. It is instilled in them from childhood. I pose this question, “Could you for one second think you can deal with a dog that has rabies or would you just shot it for the good of the community?”

]]> By: MAYIBUDIN http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122364 MAYIBUDIN Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:02:36 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122364 Negociation is an ancestral tactic. It works some times and fails other times depending on the good faith of each party. The talibans or any enemy of the western world should count their blessings when a hand, peace or truce or whatever is offered to them. None of the negociations would be possible with an evil power and they would simply be "genocided". On the other hand, if they refuse our good faith offers and carry on with their barbaric traditions, then they deserve to be exterminated...no prisoners taken. Am I being radical? Or is this their type of common sense.... Negociation is an ancestral tactic. It works some times and fails other times depending on the good faith of each party. The talibans or any enemy of the western world should count their blessings when a hand, peace or truce or whatever is offered to them. None of the negociations would be possible with an evil power and they would simply be “genocided”. On the other hand, if they refuse our good faith offers and carry on with their barbaric traditions, then they deserve to be exterminated…no prisoners taken.
Am I being radical? Or is this their type of common sense….

]]> By: cerberus6 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122359 cerberus6 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:01:29 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122359 This is not new - I know both the Karzai government and US officials talked to various “Taliban” leaders at the mid and lower levels during 2004 & 2005. The “Taliban” is not monolithic – there are exploitable rifts, rivalries and outright feuds between factions, but not easily done by outsiders (non Afghan or Pashto). There are (well, there were) many small Taliban “light” gangs – smaller groups and gang leaders that were basically armed thugs that used Taliban like tactics and techniques to run rough shod over the populations in certain areas where the old guard War Lords were being killed, retired, co-opted into government or marginalized. Instability increased as the relative security these thugs maintained in their area of control dropped. These gangs were not particularly active in the talibanization of those areas – though to be sure, in Pashto tribal areas there isn’t much of a line between normal life and life under the Taliban – and some could probably be turned to the government side and later sorted out as was done with many of the old militia units. Breaking the insurgency isn’t just accomplished by killing these guys – though I hope we rub out every one of the”foreign fighters”. Pasto tradition will propel some family member(s) to step in to avenge and replace relatives that are killed. I’m all for killing or capture of anyone actively engaged in terrorism or combat, and having seen firsthand the barbarity the Taliban and AQ/foreign fighters inflict on military and civilian alike. I have nothing but hatred for them and their cause. To win the war we have to fight the ideology and the organization as much as killing the combatants – and that does mean at times talking to some of them, as we have done - probably from the very beginning. This is using talks as strategy to divide, co-opt and prevail – not comrade Obama’s proposal to negotiate, appease and surrender. This is not new – I know both the Karzai government and US officials talked to various “Taliban” leaders at the mid and lower levels during 2004 & 2005.

The “Taliban” is not monolithic – there are exploitable rifts, rivalries and outright feuds between factions, but not easily done by outsiders (non Afghan or Pashto). There are (well, there were) many small Taliban “light” gangs – smaller groups and gang leaders that were basically armed thugs that used Taliban like tactics and techniques to run rough shod over the populations in certain areas where the old guard War Lords were being killed, retired, co-opted into government or marginalized. Instability increased as the relative security these thugs maintained in their area of control dropped. These gangs were not particularly active in the talibanization of those areas – though to be sure, in Pashto tribal areas there isn’t much of a line between normal life and life under the Taliban – and some could probably be turned to the government side and later sorted out as was done with many of the old militia units.

Breaking the insurgency isn’t just accomplished by killing these guys – though I hope we rub out every one of the”foreign fighters”. Pasto tradition will propel some family member(s) to step in to avenge and replace relatives that are killed.

I’m all for killing or capture of anyone actively engaged in terrorism or combat, and having seen firsthand the barbarity the Taliban and AQ/foreign fighters inflict on military and civilian alike. I have nothing but hatred for them and their cause. To win the war we have to fight the ideology and the organization as much as killing the combatants – and that does mean at times talking to some of them, as we have done – probably from the very beginning. This is using talks as strategy to divide, co-opt and prevail – not comrade Obama’s proposal to negotiate, appease and surrender.

]]> By: texaspsue http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122357 texaspsue Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:24:14 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122357 "If this is just an attempt to bring about a local tribal “awakening,” as was done as part of the surge in Iraq, than that is not such a “in a major policy shift that would have been unthinkable a few months ago” that the article claims." From what I have been reading on the Soldiers sites, IT IS suppose to be an "Anbar Awakening" strategy to help the Afgans that are tired of the Taliban infiltrating and terrorizing their tribes. Something in this article is askew and the MSM is leading the reader astray. No one wants to play nice with the Taliban per se. As SG states, "But this news has to be trumpeted to show us how we have nothing to fear from the brilliant foreign policies of the Anointed One." “If this is just an attempt to bring about a local tribal “awakening,” as was done as part of the surge in Iraq, than that is not such a “in a major policy shift that would have been unthinkable a few months ago” that the article claims.”

From what I have been reading on the Soldiers sites, IT IS suppose to be an “Anbar Awakening” strategy to help the Afgans that are tired of the Taliban infiltrating and terrorizing their tribes.

Something in this article is askew and the MSM is leading the reader astray. No one wants to play nice with the Taliban per se. As SG states, “But this news has to be trumpeted to show us how we have nothing to fear from the brilliant foreign policies of the Anointed One.”

]]> By: artboyusa http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122347 artboyusa Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:35:01 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122347 Reality's right on about this. A little chat and a lot of gold in the right places will get us further in Afghanistan than all the ammo in our lockers. Reality’s right on about this. A little chat and a lot of gold in the right places will get us further in Afghanistan than all the ammo in our lockers.

]]> By: JannyMae http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122326 JannyMae Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:15:34 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122326 As Petraeus said, not everything that worked in Iraq will work in Afghanistan. In addition, they made it clear that they are not talking about sitting down with the higher-ups. There is a vast difference between trying to promote negotiations between warring factions in Afghanistan and negotiating with terrorists. However, you hit the nail on the head, here: "But this news has to be trumpeted to show us how we have nothing to fear from the brilliant foreign policies of the Anointed One." Indeed, an Obama worshiping moonbat posted this on another site, with the tagline, "Petreaus agrees with Obama." He not only couldn't get Petraeus' name spelled right, he failed to note that Obama's comments about negotiating with the Taliban came AFTER Petraeus made this suggestion. Seems as if Obama was agreeing with Petraeus... This is really not a story, and is nothing but hype to promote the Messiah. As Petraeus said, not everything that worked in Iraq will work in Afghanistan. In addition, they made it clear that they are not talking about sitting down with the higher-ups. There is a vast difference between trying to promote negotiations between warring factions in Afghanistan and negotiating with terrorists.

However, you hit the nail on the head, here:
“But this news has to be trumpeted to show us how we have nothing to fear from the brilliant foreign policies of the Anointed One.”

Indeed, an Obama worshiping moonbat posted this on another site, with the tagline, “Petreaus agrees with Obama.” He not only couldn’t get Petraeus’ name spelled right, he failed to note that Obama’s comments about negotiating with the Taliban came AFTER Petraeus made this suggestion. Seems as if Obama was agreeing with Petraeus…

This is really not a story, and is nothing but hype to promote the Messiah.

]]> By: Reality Bytes http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122308 Reality Bytes Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:23:41 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122308 Sure Why Not?! Divide & Conquer! "Treat us good - we'll treat you better. Treat us bad - we'll treat you worse!" Sure Why Not?! Divide & Conquer! “Treat us good – we’ll treat you better. Treat us bad – we’ll treat you worse!”

]]> By: Liberals Demise http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122303 Liberals Demise Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:20:16 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122303 Pass the ammo can this way bro Pass the ammo can this way bro

]]> By: 1sttofight http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122301 1sttofight Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:15:28 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122301 Obama, like Neville Chamberlin, doesn’t see an enemy he can’t be friends with. Obama is ALREADY friends with the USA's enimies. That might be the reason The LAT's refuses to release the tape of Obama hugging a PLA thug at a gala function also attended by Ayers and his terrorist wife. Obama, like Neville Chamberlin, doesn’t see an enemy he can’t be friends with.

Obama is ALREADY friends with the USA’s enimies. That might be the reason The LAT’s refuses to release the tape of Obama hugging a PLA thug at a gala function also attended by Ayers and his terrorist wife.

]]> By: Liberals Demise http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122300 Liberals Demise Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:07:54 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122300 This is the same as talking to some of the elements of the Nazi Party. The Luffewaffen wasn't as nasty as the SS was but I also have to say that at least the Nazis were more civil than the Taliban (if thats possible). Obama, like Neville Chamberlin, doesn't see an enemy he can't be friends with. As Rosie (crack snacker) O'Donnel says of the Taliban, and I quote; "They are mommies and daddies too!" Gee, kinda makes you want to have a picnic and play ball with them, now don't it? I say all this tongue in cheek! This is the same as talking to some of the elements of the Nazi Party. The Luffewaffen wasn’t as nasty as the SS was but I also have to say that at least the Nazis were more civil than the Taliban (if thats possible). Obama, like Neville Chamberlin, doesn’t see an enemy he can’t be friends with. As Rosie (crack snacker) O’Donnel says of the Taliban, and I quote; “They are mommies and daddies too!” Gee, kinda makes you want to have a picnic and play ball with them, now don’t it?
I say all this tongue in cheek!

]]> By: BillK http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122298 BillK Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:57:13 +0000 http://sweetness-light.com/archive/wsj-us-considers-talking-to-taliban#comment-122298 Hell, why not sit down and have a chat with the Taliban? Obama's going to do it come January anyway. It's not like appeasement has ever failed before… Hell, why not sit down and have a chat with the Taliban?

Obama’s going to do it come January anyway.

It’s not like appeasement has ever failed before…

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