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Comments On The ‘Healthcare Summit’

Please feel free to chime in with your thoughts on the so-called bipartisan ‘healthcare summit.’

If you have the requisite strong stomach.

This article was posted by Steve on Thursday, February 25th, 2010. Comments are currently closed.

64 Responses to “Comments On The ‘Healthcare Summit’”

  1. ThreeBus says:

    Watching in mute. Pelosi’s body language is “Were gonna push this through no matter what”.

    Wasted time.

    • Petronius says:

      ThreeBus: “Wasted time.”

      Yes, indeed. There are at least two reasons why discussions with Nerobama and his menstruating Democrats are a waste of time.

      First, it is no use to conduct discussions with an ideologue about matters covered by his ideology unless you also share his ideology. If you do not share his ideology, he will reinterpret and bend any conflicting facts or ideas that you offer so that they conform to his ideology, or he will deny them.

      Discussions may be useful where the parties share some common interests and the same root ideals. However, where, as here, those conditions do not exist, the dispute cannot be settled by negotiation and compromise. It may only be settled by power. Or by the Republicans abandoning their interests and fundamental principles –– their belief in the Constitution and limited government, free enterprise, individual liberty, private property, and fiscal responsibility.

    • proreason says:

      “it is no use to conduct discussions with an ideologue about matters covered by his ideology unless you also share his ideology”

      Good point.

      And the country doesn’t share his ideology, so he has to jam it in.

      Everything we learn about him just proves more than before how dangerous he is.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      There is a saying, “The beatings will continue until morale improves”.

      This is how the man-child thinks. This is how one must act to gain success…then all praise will shower around him.

      He really is disconnected from reality. Completely.

  2. Steve says:

    Ms. Pelosi just said that healthcare reform “will create four million jobs almost immediately.”

    That is how concerned they are about telling the Americans the truth.

  3. Steve says:

    Reid trots out another lie about “pre-existing conditions.”

    The Democrats have never been able to cite one of these cases that do not later turn out to be completely untrue.

  4. SpiderJohn says:

    Will the campaigning ever end? Their poll numbers are sure to drop even lower watching this nonsense.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      In a way, it’s good that they did this, but not for the reasons they imagined. The American people will get the chance to see and hear these uber-intellectuals try to explain their way clear to why it’s necessary to bankrupt the nation in order to get illegal aliens free healthcare.

  5. GetBackJack says:

    Hey! Look … 30 seconds of watching and I’m regular again.

    It’s a miracle.

    (runs back down the hall towards porcelain)

    One look at Pelosi, and I don’t need any more fiber ….

  6. jobeth says:

    I noticed everytime the Repubs get a valid point in O stops them and tries to “answer’ them or tell them they are talking about “talking points’ and that’s not what it’s all about.

    Its amusing to watch him try to shut up the Repubs…But did we expect anything else?

    The O’s body language is fascinating. He fidgets about when he can’t stop them from talking on a real point and he keeps ignoring him to talk to others…Odd he doesn’t do that during the Dims talking.

  7. Watch it? No thanks. I have to pull nose hairs.

  8. proreason says:

    Here’s a summary of the 15 minutes I watched.

    Junior: if we just work together on this, we can all have ice cream for every meal, world peace, full employment, and eternal life. Can’t we at least agree it’s a worthy goal? We owe it to our chidren.

    Daddy: that would be nice junior, but your 2000 page manifesto doesn’t do any of that and costs a gazillion dollars. But I agree that we can have ice cream for desert, once a week.

    Junior: See, that’s the problem. We can’t get anywhere with people as cruel as you. If you won’t cooperate, we will have to do it without you.

  9. David says:

    Maybe it is just me but the way Obama holds his pen tightly in his fist while Biden loudly pontificates next to him makes me wonder if he is contemplating stabbing his VP in the face.

    • jobeth says:

      LOL…I was watching him too. I didn’t notice the pen thing but I think I read his mind….and he said “PLEASE shut up Joe…PLEASE don’t blow this for me!!” :-D

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      You both have struck upon the amazing frailty of human egos and how internally disorganized they are. What’s occurred is what happens with any organization, and especially any presidential cabinet or bureaucracy. It’s just a matter of degree. The little kingdoms and castles they have erected for themselves are self-protectionist. Barry has attempted to do this to a huge level by having people in his cabinet who are even less experienced than himself. This is the only way he can possibly have any speaking authority over them.

      But Reid has his army, Pelosi hers, and somehow, it’s odd that they are tolerating one another at all but then again not, since there are republicans in the room, whom they hate and can easily gang up together to fight, if you call that a fight. Which reminds me, they brought knives to a gunfight.

      However, once the day is over and they all go to their chambers to whine and drink martinis and complain about how the republicans didn’t play fair, “They actually brought the BILL!!! Did you see that? The nerve!” they will then go about their methodology to try to shove the healthcare disaster through. But, they all hate one another almost as much as they hate republicans, but for very different reasons.

      They hate each other for personal reasons. They hate republicans, well, because they are republicans. Remember, liberal democrats are the most racist, categorizing, segregating bunch of people you will ever find. I’m more than certain the epithets are thrown around in abundance these days with all the liberal democrats.

      In contrast, the republicans came to the table with exactly what the adolescent wanted, or said he wanted and the adolescent was consummately angered because they spelled it out to him. He doesn’t like being talked down to, as any megalomaniac doesn’t. I was hoping, just once when Cantor was stopped by mr fabulous himself, that Cantor politely asked him to outline the requirements and instruct him as how to proceed, and then do just that, while still firing both barrels at him and the democrats horrid plan.

      But, I’ll take what we got. Unfortunately, the media will try very hard to portray it as republican obstructionism rather than evidence that the democrats want to fundamentally destroy our system under the guise of benefiting the people. Hopefully, there were some converts today in the democrat camp who saw the evidence, the arrogance, the hatred, the vile animosity from the democrats.

      It did make me smile though. Regardless of how it’s painted, it was a scene worth of a movie. I consider it a win for the republicans regardless of what anyone else thinks.

  10. Oracle says:

    Being out of work and one of the, now, “47 million” americans?? without healthcare I have had some time to watch this 3 ringer. It is obvious that the President and the Democrats would not be there if they could have made this pile of paper law.

    This is basically just “going through the motions”. Get ready for the big push through after the cameras stop.

    And every time someone says no one wants the existing bill as it sits, O ducks and dodges and skirts the issue and makes the case for some side detail.

    They need to chuck that pile of paper and do what has been recommended several times today, which is take an issue deal with it and then move on to the next one. Sadly I doubt, after listening to this show of farce, will ever occur.

    Obama looks at anybody with an R behind his name with such comtempt. Good thing it is all out in the open for all to see.

  11. BigOil says:

    In order to lend some credibility to this farce, I think they should change the placard in front of Obama from “President Barack Obama” to “Barry the Bolshevik”.

  12. Bronson says:

    “That’s a legitimate arguement.” – President Obama

    Yeah, we know….

  13. retire05 says:

    The only thing this dog and pony show is exposing is the absolute arrogance of the Community Organizer in Chief. Telling the panel he went overtime because he is, after all “the president”, telling McCain the campaign is over (yeah, when will The Won stop campaigning?), calling Congresswoman Michelle Bachman “Miss”, instead of referring to her by her name (remember when Barbara Boxer insisted that a General not call her ‘mam?), shutting down Paul Ryan like he did.

    Basically it is a summit for Obama to sit and smirk, trying to control the debate to his side, and basically saying “Hey, American, we Democrats want socialized medicine and we are going to shove the first step on that road down your stupid throats whether you like it or not because you are too damn stupid to know what is good for you.”

  14. Bronson says:

    John Boehnor is ticking them off! Obama and Sebelius looked at each other like “oh %$&%) when he mentioned Abortion.

  15. crate says:

    I will not watch him on TV. overall how is it going? I did hear Rush say he was glad they went to summit.

  16. proreason says:

    Repubs are getting some good comments from press knee jerkers that usually ignore them.

    “CNN’s DAVID GERGEN: “The folks in the White House just must be kicking themselves right now. They thought that coming out of Baltimore when the President went in and was mesmerizing and commanding in front of the House Republicans that he could do that again here today. That would revive health care and would change the public opinion about their health care bill and they can go on to victory. Just the opposite has happened.” (CNN’s “Live,” 2/25/10)

    • GERGEN: “He doesn’t have a strong Democratic team behind him.” (CNN’s “Live,” 2/25/10)”


  17. retire05 says:

    John McCain just listed the success in my state (Texas) due to tort reform. 6,000+ new doctors licensed last year alone. Medical malpractice insurance rates down by 35%. Health care insurance premiums for citizens, DOWN.

    It works. But hey, why would Obama want to look at what works in a state that did not vote for him and even chose Hillary over him? Ain’t gonna happen. And I am sure that Obama is aware that it is already in the works in Austin that Texas will challange the Constitutionality of the health care bill, should it pass, which will tie the federal government up in court for years and prevent Obama from shoving this leviathan on the American people, not to mention that at least 35 states are working on legislation that will exercise their 10th Amendment rights to refuse to comply with something the federal government has no Constitutional authority to enforce.

    Now Dicky Durbin is talking about another patient who suffered under the evil American health care system. If we didn’t have such a great health care system, Harry Reid and Tricky Dicky Durbin would already be dead.

    • JohnMG says:

      …..”If we didn’t have such a great health care system, Harry Reid and Tricky Dicky Durbin would already be dead……”

      Easy there, retire05, you’re making a really strong case for scrapping what we have. ;-}

    • GetBackJack says:

      Here’s McCain for you.


      He’s beyond even RINO status. Obviously still working for the North Vietnamese.

      BTW – anyone else notice as soon as it became apparent that McCain would almost certainly lose his bid for the Senate to Hayworth Big Pharma pimped Johnnie boy to do their dirt for them to get Codex Alimentarius onto the Senate floor for what must be a boatload of hidden soft money for his campaign?

  18. retire05 says:

    JohnMG, I am so damn tired of trying to acheive the socialist utopia. The Dems want to throw us all into some damn pool so that those who live healthy life styles can pick up the tab for those that don’t.

    And what is the big story coming out of Great Britain this week? How horrible their government health care is, with patients laying in their own feces and their families having to take the linens home to wash them, patients being denied food and water to the point patients are drinking the water out of the flower vases, and the deaths, my God, the number of deaths.

    But the MSM isn’t going to talk about that, although it was in all the major publications in Great Britain yesterday and that would bring attention to what it is that Obama wants to foist on us.

    • JohnMG says:

      Whether or not one lives a healthy lifestyle or not, Obama’s socialized health care scheme will still deny your longevity.

      I agree completely. Should a person whose habits (eating and otherwise) cause an early departure from the planet, well….it’s a win for Obamacare. Should you live a long and healthy life due to your own prudence, well….based on your advancing years and the cost of medical treatment, Obamacare can’t afford to keep you around. You’ll be a drain on the system. Obamacare wins again.

      The only people who benefit from this cockamamie plan are the ones administering it. Healthy folks who won’t need the care in the first place will still pay the taxes to fund the plan. But the money will have been siphoned off and “re-distributed” to some “more deserving, but less fortunate” person of the government’s choosing.

      And congress-critters already have their gold-plated healthcare, so what’s not to like. Right?

    • BannedbytheTaliban says:

      I think a little differently MG, they will use the healtcare costs as a reason to control your life, probably not in our lifetime, but as their ultimate goal. They will have complete control over your diet, your exercise, your activities, your habits, everything. My mind goes to Winston being yelled at while not exercising “properly” in 1984.

  19. BannedbytheTaliban says:

    Nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room. That is the cost of health care, and thus health insurance, is going up because the technology used to treat illness is more and more expensive. The socialist attack the evil insurance companies’ profits, and the GOP member attack the ambulance chasers.

    Basically every dem has said the same thing: spread the cost (i.e. missery), take from those who have and give to those who have not, socialism is tops. The only way I see the Government will be able to bring down costs, which are rising due to more expensive technologies, inflation, litigation, waste, and fraud (not to mention the monoply created by health care being mainly delievered throught health insurance keeping competition down), is to control what treatments people recieve. In other words, rationing.

    • proreason says:

      “the elephant in the room. That is the cost of health care, and thus health insurance, is going up because the technology used to treat illness is more and more expensive.”

      That’s a key plank of the maxists plan.

      Advances in medical technology will be stopped cold.

      Lifespans will no longer increase…except of course for the commisars, who will have the very best care possible.

  20. canary says:

    Some guy Ron, with a heavy lisp is saying for everyone! everyone here! to fire! their health insurance! now! That’s exactly what they want. Let’s see if the guy with the lisp firesh hish healtsh inshhurance after the shummit for mr.. Preshidient.

    Obama is saving the ‘two lions’ til the end. Does Obama still believe he get’s the power from what he ate as a child. Lolo promised him tiger meet.

  21. proreason says:

    What a moron. He makes his stupid talking point about how everyone is for the details of his bill.

    Well duh.

    Everybody is four-square behind the benefits of anything, jackass. It’s just when you point out the price and other costs (like dying before your time) that the love begins to fade.

    What a moron.

  22. wardmama4 says:

    I can not wait to see the numbers on this – The Won’s favorable numbers (yeah, favorable, right) and how many Americans turn against (are there any left to turn against it) Obamacare? You all do know that Congress has hit a 10% favorable (isn’t that a tad lower than Bush at his worst?) and a 70% unfavorable (and 20% too stuck on stupid to know who or what Congress is).

    I was against the Republicans going to it – But must say they turned the tables on The Won quite well.

    And I tell you what – When The Won was telling his (tearful) Malia story about having to go to the hospital and 3 days into it, said “I was so grateful we had insurance to cover this’. As a parent whose child faced a fatal injury – 3 days into it we weren’t thinking ‘I’m so grateful we have insurance to cover this’ – we were still praying for his survival – And say Thank God it is America so that cutting edge technology saved his life. Don’t know if this guy is that damn shallow or just can’t help himself and must lie to show he is ‘just one of us’.

    And to tell the same damn story again- what did he use some speech over again – since he can’t speak without his Teleprompter? And he has the Audacity of a Dope to call out McAmnesty on ‘this isn’t the campaign’ – He is POTUS and he never stops campaigning.
    Did you see the Times of London – Obama bores Americans into submission!!!!
    What a schmuck – he is so in love with himself – he is going to destroy the DNC in America just to have his own way.

    • JohnMG says:

      …..”he is going to destroy the DNC in America just to have his own way…..”

      You say that like it was a BAD thing, wardmama4.

    • jobeth says:

      Wardmama…on your recommendation I went to the Times of London…found this…lol

      “Warning: watching American politicians argue about healthcare can be seriously damaging to your health. Symptoms may include migraines, extreme fatigue and sudden violent urges”

      I had a few of those urges lol.

      And then

      “Throughout all this, Obama, looking incongruously glamorous in a crisp white shirt and blue tie — like Jamie Foxx chairing a convention of Pittsburgh cement contractors — gave an Oscar-worthy performance as the Concerned Listener. “

      “He listened with his chin raised and his eyes narrowed. His listened with his head resting quizzically in one hand. He listened while scribbling furiously in his notebook. Indeed, it was only when one of his own allies began to speak — the purple-suited Nancy Pelosi, famed for her left-wing politics and fondness for private jets — that Obama’s camera-talent abandoned him, and he allowed himself to be filmed with his middle finger creeping over his lips, as if urging Ms Pelosi to shut the hell up and take the next Gulfstream back to California.”

      These are about the only thing I agreed with…but this is pretty good stuff though. :-D


  23. Oracle says:

    Well! The Health Care debate is settled. Just like man made global warming. Nuclear option anyone?

  24. canary says:

    John Dingle just compared the Democrats
    Health Care Bill to the greatest thing since God’s Ten Commandments were written on stone.

    Someone pass Dingle’s basket around the circle to gather Charlie Rangles and Pelosi’s blinding jewelry & diamonds. ‘Thou shalt not commit idolatry.”

    • ptat says:

      I was shocked by what a moron this Dingle is! It is truly scary when a statist like that, a life long politician who inherited his position, exposes his private parts (by that I mean his shrunken, withered mind) for all to see. Nauseating!

  25. canary says:

    Tom, I don’t think we’ll have another one of these. People don’t have 7 or 8 hours a day to work this through. This can be done fairly quickly.

    Senator Doctor Tom Coburn (R) looked the angriest I’ve ever seen him. Can’t imagine how he felt when Obama slandered him as agreeing on 95% of the bill.

    Obama speaks like a 1st grader learning to read. Two words at a time.

    • Ricochet says:

      Dear Canary,
      You must cut the president some slack about how slowly he speaks. After all, he didn’t have his teleprompter with him (that I could see at least). Baby steps.

    • canary says:

      Picture Obama growing up in Indonesia swallowing all those msytic majic potions, aside all the bad blood from rodents, varmints & animal brains he learned from his step-father and friends, and hid from his mother & grandparents,…. followed by years of partying.

      Yet, Obama wants illegal search & seizure of American’s entire beings down to their last breath, only we can’t get testing of any type on Obama’s & Pelosi’s brains.

  26. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    Politics. You spend one year deciding who you want to vote for. And spend the next three years regretting whom you cast your ballot for. I’m hoping this will all finally open the eyes of some of the most hardened leftists. But I know in reality some are so far gone in their mindset that they don’t care if the health care bill bankrupts the nation. Just so long as their champion passed it and that it happened on their watch. If it passes will it create 400,00 new jobs instantly as Pelosi claims? Of course it will. Because those 400k jobs will be needed for the government to manage the new health care scam. And when was the last time we ever saw the government willingly cede power?

  27. canary says:

    I can’t believe Obama snubbing John McCain “the elections are over, I won, you lost”.

    • catie says:

      Yeah, that was disgusting wasn’t it? This clown isn’t fit to untie John McCain’s shoes & I’m not a fan of John McCain.

  28. TwilightZoned says:

    I didn’t get to see much of this 3-ring, but did catch Barry’s half-hour closing which caused my ears to bleed profusely. He was arrogant, egotistical, sanctimonious, preachy, etc, etc, etc. If I may suggest…Barry should apply for a managership at the nearest Burger King since the boy king wants it his way. He may actually learn about the real world of “market principles.”

    Obviously this disaster of health care reform will be jammed down our throats by reconciliation. Dingy Harry’s comment the R’s have been bringing this up for a year and yet it has NEVER been discussed was a joke. And how interesting in the past not only he, but princess P, and the Hildabeast shouted from the rooftops, how inappropriate reconciliation was. But alas they weren’t in power. Of course, now it’s a wonderful tool to get things done now that they are..but NFL!!!

    • jobeth says:

      “He was arrogant, egotistical, sanctimonious, preachy, etc, etc, etc.”

      He always makes me feel like he’s talking down to an errant child.

      I can’t exactly explain it right in words but he has a cadence and inflection to his speech when he is “dictating” to us how its going to be. He ends his sentences in an upward inflection and a hard stop.

      Sort of like when I used to tell my kids…”You are going to clean your room (upward inflection) and then do your homework (upward inflection) and go to bed. (hard stop, no discussion about it…you will just do it)

    • JohnMG says:

      …..”Obviously this disaster of health care reform will be jammed down our throats by reconciliation…..”

      It seems that way now. He’s such an arrogant jerk–he reveals it every time he opens his mouth.

      Something else keeps nagging at my consciousness. That being just how much his behavior resembles that of his muslim bretheren. With public opinion running two-to-one against this health care plan, he is intent on forcing it into law. If he does manage to persuade the Democrats to use the ‘nuclear option’ and pass this turkey of a bill, they will pay a horrible (for them) price politically.

      How is this any different than some maniacal fanatic sporting a suicide vest detonating it with the hope of taking out as many innocent bystanders as possible just for spite.

      The adolescent is unstable.

  29. Perdido says:

    “Sort of like when I used to tell my kids…”You are going to clean your room (upward inflection) and then do your homework (upward inflection) and go to bed. (hard stop, no discussion about it…you will just do it)” — jobeth

    Best description I have ever heard. I’ve wondered too exactly how the cadence was put together and you absolutely nailed it. Perfect.

  30. canary says:

    Obama wrote in his campaign book that we don’t have the money for a national health plan, because Bush made us too broke. He went ahead and gave his outline plan, that would be a slow process, carefully exercised, starting with a nonpartisan group called the National Academy of Science’s Institute of Medicine (IOM) coming up with a high quality role model. This would be a slow process, cutting medical expenses down first, by the government watching that you take your medicine and diet. Obama said, this plan could have been done after Clinton left office, but Bush blew it with the war, and that now we had to worry about China not loaning us money, and stop any unnecessary programs, cut back medical costs, no big investments and re-pass Clinton’s Paygo Law.
    He ends off with going after the rich, to help us dig out of the hole Bush put us in, which should be our priority now.
    So, why is Obama trying to push a health care plan so fast, that he even admitted not having the answer on how to pay it, because we are in so much debt.
    So, does this IOM have 4 million members? And will this IOM have to rewrite their Patients Bill of Rights? Especially, the one that says a patient has a right to heal, even when there is no cure.

    • Rusty Shackleford says:

      Canary, that first paragraph is very telling of how barry the wunderkinder sees the federal government. Like almost every none-US citizen and many who are, they think that the federal government “runs everything”. The fundamental concept that it operates at the behest and with the consent of the people is forgotten.

      Barry clearly demonstrates, repeatedly, by saying things like “The Constitution is very restrictive” or, that “the government needs to do this and monitor that, and control this and see to that” that he is very pedestrian and completely immune from the knowledge that the step “after consulting with the people” must be included in all things.

      They think that Reagan and Bush were like Hitler? As I recall, they never made much of a move without any consent from the people and certainly not without the approval of Congress. Due process. When it’s things that hippies hate (war, things that make you more responsible for yourself, etc) they scream bloody murder and cry “foul”. But when it’s their agenda, that has been demonstrated that, in essence, NOBODY wants, they think that it’s ok to usurp due process because they think that’s what the republicans did.

      As was mentioned yesterday, conservativism and radicalism have reached critical mass and are diametrically opposed and there is no middle ground. The radicals in office who used to be radical hippies in the 60’s, think that government’s job is to “take care of everything” whereas the free people of the US know that’s not so, and never should be.

      Where the two disagree is on fundamentals alone……as if one neighbor says “Brick houses are better”, and the other says, “No, frame and drywall”. Though in this case, the obvious failings of government-run everything have been varnished into human history and are hanging on the walls for everyone to see. Only the blindly ignorant, or the truly arrogant can’t see it. They have cast their roles in hell and are now taking the ride.

      The ultimate mind-boggler is the staggering numbers of people who actually believe, even while they stand in line at the DMV, that the government SHOULD provide health insurance for everyone. Especially them, since they have no money and by golly, they have as much right to a good doctor as anyone. It doesn’t matter that they spent their youth smoking dope, doing odd-jobs to get money just to party. That the little money their parents left to them when they died was used on a car and some more dope and booze…that they never bothered to learn anything in school, develop a skill, learn a trade, etc. No, by golly, they are ENTITLED to a decent life and the government owes it to them, meaning you and I and others who work, pay taxes, put ourselves through school, learned a trade, a craft, a skill, have a career and a decent life by our own hand.

      So when a liberal democrat calls me cruel for wanting to “take away” the rights of “the people” I throw it right back at them. “Hey, we’re not the Borg collective. I don’t owe you jack s__t. I worked hard, played by the rules, didn’t do drugs or get my keester thrown in the slammer for being stupid. I don’t think anyone owes me a living, food, a car, a home, medical care…anything….So get bent. If people die because they didn’t acquire the basic survival skills a human needs in modern society, that is not my problem nor my responsibility to fill in the gaps”

      But by then they’ve gone deaf and I’m a racist gun-clinging hater. Fine. Let’s see who’s still got their stuff at the end of the day.

  31. Mithrandir says:

    It just makes my stomach turn! If you have ever listened to ‘the lawyer class’: Hillary Clinton, Obama, Scott Brown, Joe Biden, Russ Feingold, et. al. you know they just love to put on a show for presenting their case to the jury: The American People.

    Their grandstanding, fake emotional pleas, and logic twisting is really for the gullible and for their own lawyer class peers.

    Nothing other than speeches and threats of sanctions ever gets done with these people. This whole health summit is just holding court for each other…..bleck!

  32. 12 Gauge Rage says:

    Despite all it’s flaws, I still prefer our health care as it is. Because I find that the positives outweigh the negatives. My only concern is that if they do get this bill passed, it will only embolden them to pursue their other outrageous plans for a better America. A better America according to their own vision that is.

    And now this will be my last post. There are a lot of serious things going on in my life that demand my total time and attention. I’ve really enjoyed reading the comments from this site and will miss it a lot. Thank you SG for giving me the opportunity to vent on your blog. To you and everyone else, keep up the good work. God bless you all and this great nation of ours.

    • jobeth says:

      12 gauge…I truly hate hearing you won’t be posting any longer!

      You are a real contributer and I’ve always enjoyed your posts. I’ve learned some things from you. You will leave a large empty spot.

      Whatever your issues are I pray they turn out well for you and yours.

      I’ll be watching for your return as things in your life return to normal.

      God Speed to a really super American Patriot!

    • proreason says:

      Good luck 12.

      Get your stuff in order and hurry back!

    • Petronius says:

      12 Gauge: Been nice knowing you. Please come back after you get things squared away.

    • Right of the People says:

      Via con Dios, amigo.

  33. ptat says:

    It is good to know there are real Americans like you, 12, out there! WE are with you.

  34. Mithrandir says:

    It seems that with any negotiation, you start with the things all people agree on. If you wanted to really improve health care or any portion of government, you can start with this:

    Fraud / waste / abuse: the gov’t accepts this at a 25% loss factored into their budgets.

    Frivolous lawsuits and capping payouts.

    Illegal immigrants accessing our system.

    Create more doctors. Flood the market and demand goes down, a pricipal of capitalism.

    Allow people to save early and often for their own health care.

    Means test people’s ability to pay. Some is better than nothing.

    Make healthy food tax deductable. Crap food is so much cheaper than healthy food.

    Government sponsored health clubs: they exist in other countries, and people are more than happy to use them at 1/3 the cost of private clubs, promotes fitness.

    Get rid of school lunches! Fat, oils, salt, sugar, that is all they are, just filling their stomachs.

    A beer summit minus the beer = nothing accomplished.

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